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Pisgah Valdez - Pisgah Brewing Co.

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BA SCORE
93
outstanding

304 Ratings
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Ratings: 304
Reviews: 193
rAvg: 4.14
pDev: 11.84%
Wants: 176
Gots: 18 | FT: 1
Brewed by:
Pisgah Brewing Co. visit their website
North Carolina, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Stout |  6.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: mikesgroove on 12-02-2007)
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Photo of TheHoppiest
4.4/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 22 oz bottle into a pint glass. Pours a very dark brown, almost black with a thick tan head that is slow to reduce.

Has a nice roasted coffee smell, with a fair mount of malt as well. Mild chocolate notes as well.

Well balanced, with decent coffee taste, chocolate nibs, and oats. Mild bitterness midway that fades as it is swallowed.

Medium bodied, mild bitterness; pleasant.

Highly drinkable, my only disappointment is that I cannot find this locally.

TheHoppiest, Dec 23, 2010
Photo of kbutler1
3.83/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle. Poured into a New Belgium glass a dark brown color with a nice 1 finger tan head that settles to form a coaster. Roasted coffee, malts, tobacco, and leather dominate the nose. Medium mouthfeel. pretty velvety. Slightly sweet flavor soon gives way to a nice roasted coffee flavor that linger on for a while. Not the best coffee stout I have had but not bad either.

kbutler1, Dec 11, 2010
Photo of NittanyBeerFan
4.13/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to stoutfiend27 for providing this bottle for a recent tasting that we had.

Poured into a tulip, which was my weapon of choice for the day, the beer is a fully opaque black that is capped by a fluffy and creamy hot chocolate-colored head. It is well retained and produces significant lacing in a cobweb-like pattern.

The smell is dominated by natural coffee notes. Too often, I feel, coffee stouts are augmented by cheap imitation coffee flavor. Not so with Valdez. A natural coffee and roast inundate the nose. The taste brings on more of the same, with the notable addition of caramel to the dessert-like medley. There is also a hint of chocolate that comes through in the finish.

Creamy and full-bodied, this beer does not disappoint. It lived up to the expectations I had based on the little that I had heard about it. A very solid coffee stout, and if not for its relative difficulty to procure, could be one of my go-tos for the style.

NittanyBeerFan, Nov 30, 2010
Photo of jampics2
4.22/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Growler into a snifter. Thanks to Kevin for bringing this back from Pisgah. I've wanted to try this for a while.

Is it named for the coffee maker or the oil tanker?  Maybe both!  Valdez is a pitch black beer with a dark tan head. It has good retention considering its a coffee stout (I find it's really hard to get the foam to stick due to the oil from the coffee beans unless you are Surly, but Coffee Bender is a freak of nature); we are left with a ring and film with spotty lace after a while.  A swirl reawakens the head.   

Valdez smells prominently of coffee, really rich and strong coffee. Some earthy character is reflected in the grounds, but this is super fresh and pleasant not stale. A bit of caramel sweetness, chocolate and just a hint of creamy vanilla compliment and round out an excellent nose.    

Valdez is full of great coffee through and through. Some dark French roast espresso reaches a peak of bitterness then sweet chocolate, vanilla, and caramel come in the picture.  The powerful tasting experience finishes with lingering swetness and a touch of lingering coffee bitterness.  While this is well above average, it falls short of the top tier - simply put, I just would like more roast from the malt. Otherwise, the coffee and sweet malt are nice and this is very good!    

This beer is a touch thin but nice overall. It has medium body with medium to heavy carb for a stout. For a 6.5% stout, this is probably acceptable but for the 'Imperial/Double' style I expect more creaminess. The finish is sweet and bitter and a touch dry. Overall, Pisgah Vortex is an excellent beer. I had a growler basically to myself with just a touch of help from the wife and it never got to be a chore.  A great coffee beer - straight-up, no gimmicks, very expressive and very pleasant.  Now there are three famous Valdez's - Juan, Exxon, and Pisgah!    

jampics2, Oct 05, 2010
Photo of cwalexander
4.95/5  rDev +19.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

C02 Nitrogen mix tap system falling down the glass as the as the beer becomes still with a 2in-2.5in head settles. Aromas of roasted chocolate and fresh brewed coffee the head stayed around .5-1in the whole way down. smooth mouth hints of almost burnt toast with a touch of sweetness like drinking the best cold coffee on the hottest day of summer

cwalexander, Sep 28, 2010
Photo of blackie
4.83/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

brewed with beans from Dynamite Roasting - also of Black Mountain and definitely worthy of a visit

a: standard pint glass, pitch black with great retention and lace

s: absolutely loaded with vivid, fresh medium-roast coffee aromas, with dark roasted chocolate providing an underpinning, seriously like taking a bag of fresh-ground to the face, but not without the chocolate/burnt sugar body to support, the coffee clearly overpowers the malt while benefiting greatly from the full, rich support it provides, love it

m: body in the lighter side of full, low-medium carbonation, creamy and smooth

t: the high reviews this beer gets are the truth, coffee flavors unlike any other - fresh medium roast free from any harsh side, big chocolate and roasted malt body, moving from smooth chocolate to big char in the finish, rating simply as an impy stout this would be a kick lower since it's so tilted towards pure coffee, but rating as a coffee beer makes for an easy 5

d: a fantastic coffee beer, with one of the better fresh coffee characters I've found

full pint at Barley's, Asheville

blackie, Sep 25, 2010
Photo of DavoleBomb
3.4/5  rDev -17.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured into a snifter. Not quite sure how 6.8% ABV justifies the "imperial" designation, but whatever.

4.0 A: Light black in color if that makes any sense. Two fingers of frothy light brown head with not quite average retention and not really any lacing.

5.0 S: Awesome! I had no idea this was a coffee stout. Given that, I'm bumping the appearance from a 3.5 to a 4 since I know how coffee does a number on head retention. Perfect coffee aroma - in my face, yet not overbearing. Instead of being balance with sweetness, there's more roastiness behind it in the form of roasted barley. As it warms, semi-sweet chocolate and rich caramel come out. Excellent.

3.0 T: I'm loving the coffee in the taste, but it's much more one dimensional than the nose. There just isn't enough of anything else to balance the powerful coffee. This is understandable given my qualms with the mouthfeel. The coffee covers up whatever else is in there.

2.5 M: Light body. With a thicker body this one would have been a lot better. The extra residual sugar would also have balanced out the coffee taste. Carbonation is a bit higher than I'd like as well, but that is trivial compared to the body problem.

3.0 D: This beer could be fabulous if they upped the mouthfeel to a medium or thicker body. Although I love the strong coffee flavor, it needs some strong malts to supplement it.

DavoleBomb, Sep 15, 2010
Photo of chinchill
4.3/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Strongly flavored coffee stout. Sampled at the brewery.

A- very dark black pour with a tan head. Exceptionally durable beige head.

S - coffee! [4.25]

T- Stronger coffee flavor than any of the few other coffee stouts or porters I've sampled. Somewhat lacking in complexity: imagine a very fine stout + a cold expresso. Excellent sweet/bitter balance.

M: smooth [4.25]

D - an excellent brew best imbibed slowly in many small sips.

{revisited at brewery in Sept. 2012 -- high ratings generally confirmed, but felt it was a tad over carbonated this time}

chinchill, Sep 14, 2010
Photo of cbros
4.6/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Serving type- 22 ounce bottle poured into a tulip glass.

A-This beer pours a standard pitch black with a two finger tan lace that leaves the beer sooner rather than later. The leftover lace leaves some decent clingto the glass that does stick around until the very end.

S- I am getting a strong hint of chocolate in the underlining notes of this beer. There is also the ever present roasted malt and prominent coffee notes as well.

T- There is a nice mellow roasted malt/coffee taste that starts the taste. It pretty much stays consistent throughout the whole beer. Overall a pretty good tasting Double Imperial Stout. Definately easy to drink.

I have had this beer on tap at the brewery and from the little notes I wrote down this bottled beer is pretty close to the tap version. For a bottled beer this is a very good version and certainly one that I would have again.

cbros, Aug 28, 2010
Photo of mondegreen
3.78/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

22oz into a Pisgah pint glass.

No bottled on date. Bottle says 6.5% abv.

Pours pitch black with the smallest sliver of ruby highlighting. A tiny bit of tan froth on top, but no real head to speak of.

Aroma is straight coffee. Roasty and a little sweet. It is one dimensional, but it is one of the best smelling coffe beers I've had.

Taste is bitter coffee, borderlining on burnt. I'd like a little more complexity here, but it's still pleasent.

The mouth is something of a letdown. It is more along the lines of an American Stout, way too thin for a double. Of course, the abv isn't all that imperial either, so the category kinda confuses me.

Drinkability is nice. The bitterness does linger, forcing you to take it slow to avoid palate fatigue, but its still a very very good coffe stout. It is almost reminiscent of Terrapin/Left Hand's Depth Charge, but not nearly as sweet. I'd love to see this one as a true Imperial at 10% or so.

mondegreen, Jul 30, 2010
Photo of ktrillionaire
2.42/5  rDev -41.5%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2.5

A - It presents an appearance no dissimilar from black coffee; there is not much head, it is a deep brown that appears black, and it has that coffee sheen.

S - This beer smells like straight-up burnt coffee, nothing else. Not espresso, not dark roast; this is ooops! I burned the coffee! And I don't like my coffee burnt, so I am not a fan of this one-dimensional aromatic.

T - Unfortunately, not much is different about the taste, as compared to the smell. I am still getting very little other than straight-up burnt coffee. The beer is also lacking body, and seems to have an acridity that I find disquieting. Also, the beer hiding beneath all that coffee tastes like it would be a bland watery brown ale.

M - The thin, flaccid nature of this brew is the nail in the coffin. The feel is absolutely horrendous.

D - I am not impressed here. This is one of the most ham-handed executions of a coffee beer I have seen. It evokes comparisons, in terms of ineptitude, to Fuel Café...

ktrillionaire, Jul 18, 2010
Photo of ShadesOfGray
4.18/5  rDev +1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Got as an extra from jmu500...thanks again John; looking forward to this, considering it was one of my wants! Vintage 2008.

Poured from a cork and caged 750ml bottle into my Portsmouth large tulip/snifter glass. Pours a dark brown...filling the glass a solid black, and a massive frothy tan head. Head retention is mild...but dissipates into a creamy, patchy surface. Lacing is nice, but slides relatively quick.

Aroma is exactly what I expected...a coffee stout! Loads of great coffee notes and roasted malts.

Flavor is very nice for its style. True to form, a GREAT coffee stout! The coffee flavor is not only strong, but a tasty coffee resemblance. It's so stinkin' drinkable too! Medium body, high carbonation...which isn't generally a good thing for stouts...but this one works well! There's a slight milk or cream flavor added to the coffee, and not much hops to speak of...but that could also be due to age. Delicious!

ShadesOfGray, Jul 16, 2010
Photo of urwithdave
4/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Courtesy of TimmyP's life is good LIF. Shared this at the 110k release.

A- pours near black in color. There is two fingers wroth of a tan head. Decent retention. Not a lot of lacing though.

A- the BIGGEST coffee aroma I have ever gotten from a brew. Seriously, u could smell it from across the table. Espresso and coffee beans all the way.

T- well let's just say the nose isn't off. Just a huge burst of coffee and roasted malts. There is a slight hint of chocolate, but this is ALL about the coffee. Not overly bitter either. Its nice and smooth. If u aren't a coffee fan, don't bother.

M- this is where this one let me down. It was wayyy to thin. It was also too carbonated. These are my only real knocks on the brew.

D- if it wasn't for the mouthfeel I would rate this a 5 for sure. I still really enjoyed this brew and I would seek it out again in the future. A very solid coffee beer.

urwithdave, May 30, 2010
Photo of Onenote81
4.18/5  rDev +1%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Super excited to try this big beer from the boys at Pisgah. Poured into a snifter glass. Pours a thick viscous black with no head on top at all. Nothing. Big roasted coffee scents burst out. This is strong right after popping the cap. Lots of espresso, some milk chocolate, cream, toasted sugar. This smells great. A very good lead-in to drinking this bad boy.

The mouth is very crisp and bubbly...too much so. For this style I prefer big and heavy, as this one is, but it needs to be smoother and a little creamier. Too much carbonation going on. Great roasted coffee flavors all over this. Excellent bitter black coffee balanced with a creamy milky chocolate on the end. Slight grassy hops noted on the finish as well. I like that touch. It claimed to be a coffee beer, and a coffee beer it was. Wow.

*Note: This was my third "coffee" beer in a row (all different styles), and this one was my favorite for sure. One of the best coffee beers I've had in awhile.

Onenote81, Apr 23, 2010
Photo of billab914
3.73/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2008 vintage poured from 750ml bottle. Poured pitch black with a thick two inch bubbly head. The head settled but kept a nice layer covering the top of the beer. Some decent lacing was also left on the glass as I drank it.

There is definitely a strong bitter coffee flavor to the aroma followed by a good amount of milk chocolate. Kind of has a mixture of chocolate milk, coffee and roastedness thing going on.

The taste is also strong with bitter coffee. It has less of the milk chocolate flavor found in the nose and more of the roasted bitterness. This is definitely one of the stronger coffee flavored beers I've had. It's a good flavor but the coffee seems to overpower a little. Some of the coffee beers I've rated higher just seemed to blend the beer flavors with the coffee better. If you like coffee though you will most likely like this a lot.

Mouthfeel is on the thicker side with moderate carbonation. Could have used a little less carbonation for my tastes. Drinkability is good, the coffee is strong for sure but it's a pretty nice coffee stout.

billab914, Apr 22, 2010
Photo of oberon
4.38/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

I was glad to try this,had three at Barley's yesterday afternoon.Poured a jet black with tight formed mocha colored head that settled nicely into a creamy top.French roast coffee and bitter chocolate dominate the aromas,the coffee really hits home nicely.Flavors are also dominate by French roast coffee and bitter chocolate,but there is some molasses-like flavor to lend sweetness as well as a bit of earth in the finish.Very nicely done,heavy roast but enough sweetness to make it complete,well done.

oberon, Apr 20, 2010
Photo of Mavajo
4.53/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 2 | overall: 4.5

Extremely interesting brew. Had on tap at Barley's Pizzeria in Asheville - pint glass serving.

The pour is near-black with a 2-finger thick brown head. The bubbles in this head are huge, which to me isn't preferable - I prefer a creamier or finer looking head. Minimal lacing. As you near the end of your glass, you can catch some brown almost garnett hues around the edges.

The nose is pure joy - HUGE coffee presence. In fact, that's almost all you can get. Perhaps there's some chocolate notes there, but this coffee aroma is powerful. Fortunately, the taste follows up the aroma to perfection - again, massive coffee notes in the taste. Unlike some other coffee-dominated beers, Valdez avoids being overly roasted or bitter. It's extremely tasty with a nice sweetness.

The mouthfeel, however, is a bit of a disappointment. It's smooth and appropriately carbonated, but much too thin. When a beer is this dark, with a taste and aroma this dominant, I want a thick body to follow up that intensity. Valdez doesn't provide that.

All in all, this is an extremely tasty brew. Although I'm disappointed by the thin body, it does make it probable that you could enjoy a number of these in one sitting. One of my favorite coffee beers to date.

Mavajo, Apr 14, 2010
Photo of farrago
4.3/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

You get two fingers of head, profuse amount of larger bubbles has it dissolving quickly, very deep tan color, minimal stickiness to the lacing. The liquid is 100% black, not a hint of color to be found. The nose smells like a Starbucks at 8:00 AM, coffee, coffee, coffee fills the air, the heavy roast extends to the dark chocolate, toasted coconut accents, dollop of plum and cherry fruit scents, one assumes hops were used in the creation of this brew but nothing evident in the nose. Full-bodied, curiously foamy mouth entry, albeit the carbonation trails off after that. Heavily roasted espresso dominates, bitter and oily, forms a thick cloud of perfume in the mouth. Bittersweet dark chocolate, honey, uncooked oatmeal, what really saves the beer is the underlying sweetness and semi-creamy texture, it gives you breathing room to enjoy the coffee without excessive bitterness. As with many beers of such tight focus, if you agree with the vibe it'll knock your socks off, if not, after one glass you'll get bored.

farrago, Mar 29, 2010
Photo of DosBeerigos
4/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

C. UGGHH clarity...whats that?
H. Black
N. Coffee

Ok, so I've joked about beers tasting like coffee before...yah I was wrong, nothing I have ever had has tasted this much like coffee. This is an organic beer that uses Dynamite Roasting Coffee Beans, and boy oh boy does the coffee stick out on this beer. Seriously I think Miguel poured this bad boy out of my coffee pot. I like it a lot, and it's a very straight forward coffee stout.

DosBeerigos, Mar 15, 2010
Photo of CBlack85
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Duckworths in Charlotte.

Beer is completely black with just a trace of a tan head. What little head was there dissipates quickly and leaves no trace behind.

The nose is of straight coffee, with just a hint of chocolate as it warms.

The taste, much like the smell, is that of coffe. There is a little more chocolate present in the taste than in the smell, but the coffee is dominant. Very robust and flavorful, you can tell that the coffee used during brewing is very good on its own. Medium bodied, slightly more carbination than I expected, but not enough to distract you from the beautiful flavors of this well brewed beer.

Very nice, the guys at Pisgah really know what they are doing...

CBlack85, Mar 10, 2010
Photo of Tilley4
4.13/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

I've been wanting to try this one for a few years now and finally broke down and acquired a bottle...

Poured into a Chimay goblet...

Pours a 98% black with only a little brown showing around the edges when I hold the goblet up to the light... This brew forms a good head at first but that quickly dies down to leave just a little wispy one.. Not bad at all...

Huge pungent aromas of dark chocolate and dark roasted coffee beans that have been freshly ground... I have a Keurig coffeemaker and there's a brand of coffee that is super dark and rich and when its brewing it smells just like this beer... Very pungent and dark smelling with notes of what might be a little smokiness like a good smoked porter might have...

Loads of very dark roasted malts and coffee beans up front here... It's not hugely complex but I think that this is the sort of beer that doesn't have to be... You know what you're getting when you buy it.. It's a coffee stout first and foremost..

The mouthfeel leaves quite a bit to be desired here... This is basically a coffee porter if judged by the mouthfeel here... It isnt in the same class in this category with the other brews of the style...

Even with the thin mouthfeel, I still liked this one quite a bit... It's very drinkable and tasty and I'm very glad I got to give this one a shot... Would I purchase this one again? Hmmm.. hard to say.. I'd like to try it on tap sometime and do a comparison... The thin mouthfeel here sort of mars this one in my opinion...

Tilley4, Mar 06, 2010
Photo of SaCkErZ9
4.2/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Served on draft at Duckworths in N Charlotte for $2.50 a pint. Great deal!

Comes to the bar pitch black. A very small tan head is present but then leaves completely. I was disappointed in the appearance of this one. Kind of looks like a cup of coffee in the glass. Actually, it smells like it too.

Aroma is full of coffee. I love it! Not a whole lot else is going on. Mild, freshly brewed coffee seems to be the dominating aroma.

Tastes like coffee as well. The coffee seems somwhat subdued but is certainly the focal point of this one. A bit of fruitiness and roasted grains penetrate the coffee blanket but lack the tenacity to make themselves completely known.

I really dug this one. It was served around 50F or so and as it warmed, it got better. I could drink this one at room temp. A bit thick on the tongue. Quite creamy. So delicious.

Note: This one is only 6.7% abv so how it is considered an Imperial Stout is beyond me. This one drinks like a stout and has the abv of a stout. The abv is very well hidden, however.

SaCkErZ9, Feb 23, 2010
Photo of sholland119
4.68/5  rDev +13%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I first tried this beer in a bottle and, while I liked it, I had no idea what all the fuss was about. But after trying this on tap at Barley's in Asheville on 2/5, the scales have fallen from my eyes.

A-Pours black as night, deep and opaque with a thin tan head and good sticky lacing.

S-A blast of fresh roasted coffee starts things off, with some nice roasted malt and cocoa behind it.

T-Delicious. Starts with a delicious roastiness, follow by a nutty maltiness, finishing with a crisp bitter hop burst and more roasted coffee. Plenty of coffee flavor but still tastes like a beer. Outstanding.

M-Medium bodied with a nice lingering finish.

D-Yes, please I would like many more. Outstanding!

HV

sholland119, Feb 19, 2010
Photo of GbVDave
4.47/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 22oz bottle into multiple glasses.

A: Pours a deep, tarry, black. Dark espresso crema colored head on top doesn't retain for very long, but leaves a little lace behind.

S: Holy crap! This smells just like chocolate covered espresso beans. Also along for the ride is blackened malt, dark fruit, and even more coffee and chocolate.

T: See above...nothing else to say.

M: Extremely coating, much like the oil spill from its' namesake oil tanker.

D: A scarily excellent coffee stout. Whew!

GbVDave, Feb 13, 2010
Photo of htomsirveaux
4.05/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

750 mL bottle tried 23 Jun 2009. Trade from mikesgroove, thanks for the opportunity!

Poured in a 0.4 L Steiner Pils snifter. Thick, tight, medium sized light brown head. Medium carbonation. Beer looks like black ink. Aroma of super dark chocolate, cocoa, espresso, deep dark and roasty. Body is light and effervescent. Coffee and chocolate dance on the tongue like cocoa pop rocks. Lots of roasted malts, chocolate and coffee bitterness throughout. Somewhat sweeter in the finish. Mild ethanol.

Tasty, would have liked just a touch more body to this.

htomsirveaux, Jan 29, 2010
Pisgah Valdez from Pisgah Brewing Co.
93 out of 100 based on 304 ratings.