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Flying Monkeys Netherworld Cascadian Dark Ale - Flying Monkeys Craft Brewery

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very good

150 Ratings
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Ratings: 150
Reviews: 72
rAvg: 3.81
pDev: 11.29%
Wants: 6
Gots: 9 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Flying Monkeys Craft Brewery visit their website
Ontario, Canada

Style | ABV
American Black Ale |  6.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
Formerly known as Flying Monkeys Netherworld India Pale Porter.

35 IBU

(Beer added by: Sammy on 11-01-2009)
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Photo of kwjd
4.25/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Somehow I haven't revieved this beer yet, even though I've had several pints of this. Had this on tap at C'est What. Pours a very dark brown colour with thin tan head. Nice lacing down the glass. Smells of a lot of roasted malt with some coffee, but with a big citrus hop kick. Nice bitterness balanced out with a sweet malt. Smooth carbonation level. This is one of my favourite CDA's, I'm glad it is local so I have access to it.

Photo of Ralphus
3.4/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I am not sold on the idea of Black IPA / Cascadian Ales.. its always seemed like a forced marriage to me. Since when has coffee and or chocolate gone well with citrus fruits? You know what this grapefruit needs? Some chocolate! Yea.. of course it does. That said I have had a number of them and this one is, style wise, decent enough and a very bold move for an Ontario brewery.

Pours black with a head that quickly recedes leaving some lacing behind. The smell is a bit hard to track down.. alternating between chocalate/coffee and the grapefruit hops.

And the taste has similar attributes.. part malty chocolate / coffee finished up with some decent IPA style hops. Sweetness is minimal and bitterness is emphasized here.

Mouthfeel is light but not very smooth.
Drinkability is average.

Photo of fostachild
4.1/5  rDev +7.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

pours a very dark brown colour with a hint of red that gives lots of tan head.

hops were very present in the smell which also had a roasted aroma - possibly coffee and/or chocolate.

taste also very hoppy yet has a porter/stout feel to it - quite delicious. good carbonation and drinkability. really impressed by this one and will definitely be picking up some more.

Photo of GodOfBeer
3.83/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a dark chestnut brown with a reddish tinge. Very nice brownish-white head with lots of lacing.

Smells of wonderful flowery hops, some citrus zest and dark roasty malts.

Upon trying this beer again further down the road, it's actually better than I remember it being. Some nice roasty, caramel and chocolatey malts upfront. Sort of a thin body but the hops kick in with a nice finish, nice and bitter.

Rather thin mouthfeel, but decently carbonated. This is a very good black IPA and very drinkable. Definately better than Hoptical Illusion!

Photo of spinrsx
3.95/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12oz Bottle

Appearance - The beer pours a dark brown/black colour with a very large frothy beige coloured head. I can't see much carbonation due to the darkness of the beer and there is some very nice lacing running in stages down the sides of the glass. The head lasted for several minutes before it began to dissipate.

Smell - hops, malts, roasted/toasted notes

Taste & Mouth - The beer has an average amount of carbonation on the tongue and it comes across as slightly watery. It feels nice and light however and most of the taste is made up malts and light hops. There are also notes of light chocolate and light coffee. It finishes with a malty aftertaste and a light bitterness from the hops..

Drink - A really highly drinkable beer that feels more like a ESB than a IPA to me. I wish it packed a little more punch, but it's still nice to see Canada is putting out some decent brews.

Photo of Swedes21
4.33/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

341 fl oz served in a chilled glass

Appearance - beer pours a dark auburn colour that allows some light through. It is hard to tell the carbonation level due to the darkness. The head i about one finger and is an off-white. Some minimal lacing.

Smell - was not expecting this, but the hops and pine are definite smells that come fwd. There is a slight caramel smell as well. The other smell is the citrus base, from grapefruit.

Taste - As the smell, hops and pine are dominant taste to this beer. I am actually quite surprised, but the citrus comes through as well. Compared to the smell, i pick up some coffee taste, something i did not pick up in the scent. Lingering aftertaste too.

Mouthfeel - slight levels of increased carbonation bring the coffee flavour fwd a little more. The beer maintains its taste as well adds a decent amount of fullness.

Drinkability - was not expecting this from this beer and had no idea what to expect. This is a great beer that i picked up in the Holiday Mixer pack at the LCBO. Awesome find for a Tuesday night!

Photo of thebhoy
2.8/5  rDev -26.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Poured from 33cl bottle into Delirium Tremens tulip.

Colour is dark brown with hints of ruby in light.

Aroma is top-heavy with citrus, and though some cocoa and maltiness comes through on the tail, I fear already that this will be a very one-dimensional brew (not unlike Hoptical Illusion)

Taste confirms fear, and citrus notes become almost overwhelming as it warms, hint of resin lingers on back of palette for a long time.

Mouthfeel is average for the style, though does leave much to be desired on the tail. I'd even go so far as to say that it gets a bit watery and thin as the citrus blast subsides.

Overall, much like their hoptical illusion, this beer seems to be in two minds, and is rendered mediocre accordingly. The hop characteristics are certainly interesting, but with the lack of supporting characters, are almost offputting in their solo role. For this reason, despite the style, I found this beer to be more sessional than their lower abv hoptical illusion.

This beer has potential, and some stronger malts would definitely round out the hop character and add complexity. Regarding the good reviews amassed, I find myself questioning their origin: objectivity or optimism.

Photo of bobsy
3.85/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This beer has had a long evolution from the substandard iteration I had a year ago to its current bottled form.

Pours a deep brown, black in the core, but brown and ruby at the edges. A finger of light tan foam sets up shop and lingers for most of the drink, laying down some good streaks of lace. Juicy grapefruit aroma, with a prominent bitter chocolate backing. Perhaps some limited roast. Good, but could do with a bit more depth and complexity. Pleasant flavour bounces between grapefruit in one sip, and chocolate / light coffee roast in the next. Its an interesting take on the style, but lacking in intensity both on the hops and the roast, and while the bitterness is pleasant, it falls far short of even a regular IPA. Medium body and carbonation works well.

Pleasant and sessionable. I'd consider buying this a few times a year, but its not the miracle brew that some in the province would have you believe. Sure, its a good offering compared to many of the things made by local craft brewers, but that doesn't make it an outstanding example of the style. As an Ontario beer this gets a big thumbs up, but as a black IPA, its probably still one of the weakest examples I've had in spite of all its good points.

Huge kudos for actually trying this and getting it into the lcbo though.

Photo of tbeckett
4.21/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Good to see more adventurous styles being accepted by the LCBO. With updated notes from Aug 2013 because I thought I was a tad too generous when I first tried this..

A - Black or very dark red. Bright. Slight carbonation noticable. Creamy, two finger off white head that lasts the whole duration and leaves a little bit of lacing.

S - Lot's of nice juicy hops in the form of grapefruit and some soapiness. A little bit of pinesol maybe. Some minerality and a load of dark malts. A really balanced aroma. Dark fruit and coffee. Well balanced.

T - Really nice dark malt sweetness come first followed by some good hops. Mild chocolate and coffee. Definitely not a hop bomb. Balanecd.

M - Medium body with mild-medium carbonation. Decent bitterness lingers.

D - Yes! A nice balance of a great malt character and a nice, fruity hop profile make this a great change that is easy to access. The sessionable abv is great too. Balance is well done.

Photo of paxkey
3.3/5  rDev -13.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

paired with some smoked fish. pours dark and thick with a thin brown head. some lacing.

smells like cocoa. quite delicious smelling.

some aftertaste. buttered popcorn, popcorn shell burnt taste. peppery.

kind of on the line with this one. some further tasting is in order.

Photo of mrnobody
4.22/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I've only had a couple Black IPAs: Stone Sublimely Self Righteous and Dieu du Ciel Penombre. SSR is an amazing beer. I liked Penombre but it didn't make a huge impression on me.

355 ml bottle poured into a Duvel tulip.

A: Pours a dark brown with a reddish tint when held up to the light. One finger of tan head recedes to a ring of foam, a little lacing.

S: As advertised: Cascade hops. Delicious fruit but also some roasty malts in the background.

T: What I'd always imagined a Black IPA should taste like: lots of grapefruit with a lingering bitterness but also stout/porter roasted flavours. This is from Ontario? Delicious.

M: Mouthfeel does seem a bit heavier than a straight IPA, carbonation also seems lower but not really an issue.

D: Very good.

Overall, quite impressed with this one. Up there with the reformulated Great Lakes Devil's Pale Ale in terms of Ontario offerings available at the lcbo.

Photo of heebes
4/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a deep dark brown with a thick foamy tan head. Leaves some nice lacing all the way down. The nose is a blend of roasted malt and a faint citrus hop. The sip reveals a taste all over the spectrum; from toasty smokey malts and bitter hops. The middle is the biggest range of flavour with a long finish of the bitterness from the dank west coast hops. Medium bodied, seems like a great beer, probably the best the brewery has offered.

Photo of MattyV
4.05/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a very dark brown colour, almost opaque, just allowing faint ruby highlights throw when held up to the light. Fluffy light beige head leaves behind a bit of lacing.

The nose is interesting, at first the hops dominate with notes of pine and citrus, and then as I take a deeper whiff I start to pick up roasted malt and coffee. The malt becomes more apparent as it warms.

Taste is mostly of bitter hops, which present just a minor pine/grapefruit character. Coffee, toasted nuts, and burnt malt start to become noticeable through the middle, and mesh nicely with the hops to provide a crisp dry finish that has a pleasant citrus sourness.

Medium to light-bodied, with moderate carbonation. I felt it was a tad on the thin side, but then again, I could see this lending itself well to sessioning a few of these in succession over the course of an evening. Overall, I'm glad to see Flying Monkeys bringing more tasty and interesting beers into the LC. I think I prefer DDC's black IPA Penombre, but I'll definitely be picking up more 6'ers of this in the future.

Photo of BBP
3.95/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A- Almost pitch black with a good consistent head, and some solid lacing.

S- Hop bitterness, and tons of roasted/burnt malts.

T- Bitterness and dark malts build up over time. Mostly roasted malts with a little bit of burnt malt. Piney hops accumulated over the drink, and in the first 1/3 of the drink they were hard to notice, but later became more pronounced.

The malts were very bitter, and I found it worked well with the drink. It allowed the pine taste from the hops to work in harmony with the malt and compliment it rather than contrasting it.

M- I've never had a Black IPA before, but for an IPA it's very creamy and smooth, with an excellent body.

D- A good introduction to Dark IPA's. Smooth and subtle, while packing a lot of flavor. I found that the more I drank, the more I enjoyed it. It seemed to take a while to really set up on my tastebuds.

Photo of TheSevenDuffs
4.13/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to korguy123 for sending me a fresh bottle straight from the brewery.

Poured from an unlabeled 12 oz. bottle in to a Duvel tulip glass.

A - Dark brown/black colour with 2 fingers of thick, bubbly, light brown head.

S - Dark roasted malts with some coffee and licorice notes up front. A lot of bitterness from the hops is present as well but only some very subdued citrus notes come through from them.

T - A balanced combination of dark roasted malts and bitter hops. Some coffee notes come through from the malts along with some toasted nuts but no specific flavours are present from the hops - just the bitterness. A slight sweetness is present in the finish.

M - Medium body with a slight chew. Lightly carbonated.

D - A very enjoyable beer. My first experience with the style. Would buy this one again.

Photo of liamt07
4.13/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle courtesy of korguy123, straight from the brewery. This puppy can't be more than a week old. Cheers Matt!

Netherworld pours a deep dark chestnut brown, bordering on black with a two and a half finger mocha head. Not a shit-ton of lace, but some quality retention. Nose is huge, tons of chocolate, lighter roasted malts, with hints of caramel and coffee. Sitting underneath this is a definite hop presence, well masked by the darker notes overtop. Still some pine and citrus faintly make their way through. Taste has notes of faint chocolate, cold coffee (not in a bad way!), some more roasted malt and finishes slightly bitter, getting the slightest hint of the hops. Warming up a bit reveals the hops a bit more, with some orange and citrus. Mouthfeel is nice, not too thin but not super chewy and full. Above average and somewhat creamy, and the drinkability is through the roof. ABV is not even on my radar, glass disappeared in under 10 mins. I hope they keep this as a regular offering.

Photo of korguy123
4.68/5  rDev +22.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz unlabeled bottle into DFH Signature Glass.

A- Rich opaque black pour. Finger width khaki head that recedes to a thing ring. Zero light shines through. Lacing is completely magical!

S- Great hop presence, lightly toasted malts, grapefruit, mandarin oranges, strawberries, milk chocolate, vanilla and brown sugar. Molasses comes out as the beer get to pretty much room temperature.

T- All from above nicely transfer to the wonderful taste.The toasted malts and citrusy hops battling for supremacy on my tongue. Faint earthy tones on the back end.

M- Good hop bitterness tingles the tastebuds, feels a little thinner than it should be, but that's what you get when you delve into a new/hybrid style.

Probably the best Black IPA I've had to date. I think I actually prefer this to Stone's SSR (although SSR was a little heavier which was good)

Photo of StephenRich
4.05/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I really love the smooth roasty and nutty flavors that you can get from a porter or stout. Theres something about the flavor of fresh roasted coffee or chocolate lightly matched with toast and smooth nuts that is just immensely relaxing and satisfying to me. At the same time I love the crisp refreshing snap of a hop-focused beer. Something that is quenching and refreshing to the freshly bitter end.

Until recently there have practically been no means by which beer lovers could enjoy both of these sensations at the same moment. That being said, the Flying Monkey's Cascadian Dark Ale accomplishes exactly that feat! This beer is exactly as it sounds, a creamy and smooth porter with gentle roast and cocoa flavors matched with a fresh and lightly zesty hop crispness. The bottle shown is unlabeled because the beer and its branding are not yet finalized. I am waiting to find out from the Flying Monkeys team whether or not we can expect to see these bottled at the LCBO, but I expect that that is their intent.

This version, which I hope is, or is very close to what the final product will be is 6% abv and comes in a 355ml bottle, which will most likely find its way into a colorful 6 pack. It can be purchased in 30 or 58.6 liter kegs also directly from the brewery.

I opened the Nethwerworld up cool around 10C (50F) not really knowing where to start this Porter/IPA. So I figured, start cooler, and enjoy it through a range of temperatures. It poured a deep and dark black beer in my snifter lifting a generous 2 and a bit inch head that just crept over the brim of the glass. The head was mercilessly dense with bubbles packed tightly together everywhere in a creamy, tan to khaki foam. The beer was as clear as pitch black can get. Does that make any sense? It didn't seem heavy or foggy at all; just a clean dark evening with hints of ruby and amber brown peaking at the edges of the glass.

I'm going to skip right to my notes when the beer was slightly warmer, because it served up much bigger aromas and flavors. The nose brought soft hops with herbal notes of grass. Gentle amounts of grapefruit and citrus rind make their way in, and are soon taken over by roast, dry coffee grinds, and a subtle hint of cocoa powder. The scent is relatively light, but does show an interesting mix of classic porter roastiness, and classic IPA citrus bitter.

The first sip was all foam, and it was delicious! It was creamy and smooth with a bubbly and airy whipped milk sensation. Below that, a cool and mellow roasty porter glides initially over your tongue and lifts up smooth hop sensations of bitter herbs and light zest. First in is a soft caramel flavor mixed thoroughly with gentle roast, and biscuit malt.

With some added warmths comes both added malt sweetness and bigger hop bitterness. Malt begins to shine with hints of cocoa, dried coffee beans and creamy smooth nuts. Hops too bring forward greater strength and show touches of grapefruit and clean citrus peel with a round, herbal bitter smoothness. Overall the Cascadian is not big and rugged, it is actually very soothing and calm with soft balanced flavors and gentle whiffs of complexity.

The finish is dry and gently quenching with a soft, round end. Overall the beer is delicate and gentle with a delicious combination of smooth, nutty roast and crisp fresh hops. A superiorly quenching beer in the world of porters. This all makes this beer a perfect match with food. Because it is not overbearing and shows elegant balance I would try the Cascadian with a wide range of soft cheeses, roast beef, pub fare, and soft cookie like deserts. But it was very refreshing on its own in the heat, and I bet it will be just as soothing in the cold.

** Note, for Flying Monkeys aficionados or beer geeks; this is the Netherworld India Porter - Flying Monkeys has renamed and re-branded it to Cascadian Dark Ale.

Photo of JohnnyBarman
3.85/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On tap at the Kitchener Craft Beer and Ribs festival. My first sampler of the day; I was hoping to see if their IPA would be available, but was also pleased to see this new offering.

Poured into my 6oz festival sampler glass. A rich, chocolate brown brew, chestnut when held to the light. A thick, foamy tan head sat resplendantly on top, leaving a good deal of lace. Looks a great deal like a porter should.

Nose was notes of molasses, cream, marshmallows, roasted malts, citrussy hops. Strange blend, but it works.

This brew had a lot going on, so I can't really say a 6oz sample was large enough to fully appreciate it, but I must say that this was one intriguing brew. About three different taste styles competed for my attentions: the roasted malt and coffee-chocolate notes of a porter; the citrussy hops and body of an IPA; and an overall lemon sour dark ale character that reminded me greatly of a Munich Dunkel. I'm not sure if it all worked well together, but I certainly enjoyed it. A great deal of thought went into this brew, which I appreciated.

Creamy mouthfeel, slightly thin for a porter, but definitely within range.

Despite my still questioning the brewery's renaming, I must say the lads at Monkeys have really stepped up their game since the Confederation Ale days. Glad to see some well hopped ales in the American style coming from this brewery. Definitely worth a go - hope to try a few bottles of this in the near future!

Photo of pootz
4.03/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle of the third and latest tweak:

Pours a dark brown ale with amber highlights. frothy 2 finger off-white cap lasts. Decent lacing on the glass.

Aromas of cocoa and lemons, some grapefruit, toffee and fresh roast coffee...different!

Front side is mellow and chewy with roasty-caramel malts balanced perfectly with lemon bittering, mid palate some fruit and roasty-nuttiness, goes dry in the finish with resinous bittering and charred husk astringence.

Medium body, sandy-dry mouthfeel, smooth rounded character... a very approachable and quenching dark ale that defies classification.

Photo of biboergosum
3.75/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A 20oz pint, on-tap at Volo Cafe, on my anniversary with my very understanding and game better half.

This beer appears a clear, very dark reddish brown hue, with distributed mahogany highlights, and one finger of weakly foamy, creamy beige head, which leaves a partial wall of trickling waterfall lace around the glass in its slow retreat.

It smells of toasted, meaty caramel malt, roasted coffee beans, bittersweet chocolate, slightly warm vanilla, and leafy, earthy hops. The taste is heady roasted bready caramel malt, cocoa powder, a bit of licorice-laced black coffee, mild citrus cream, and some grassy, earthy hops.

The carbonation is moderate, just softly frothy, the body surprisingly on the light side of medium weight, and more or less smooth. It finishes on a drying trend, but with some chocolate caramel offsets.

A decent enough, rather tasty porter, approaching, but not quite reaching, the dessert horizon, as the snow falls on slushy Yonge Street, and our long, oft derailed traipse back to the hotel.

Photo of mintjellie
4/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a very rich and dark brown with a finger of mocha head. Good retention and patchy lace. The body shows red highlights when held to the light. Smells of cocoa and pine, and just a little bit leafy. Nice cocoa and burnt toast flavour, followed by resinous pine and grapefruit. Aftertaste combines both roasted malt and hop bitterness. Medium-bodied. I could easily see this tasty, easy drinking porter becoming a go-to during the colder months.

Photo of cratez
4.18/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

16oz pint at Chancey Smith's in London, ON. Pours a cola brown with a foamy beige head that persists to the very end. Speckles of lacing line the shaker. Aroma and flavour are dark roasted malt, light coffee, and cocoa powder with white grapefruit and pine cone from the hops. Subtle hints of smoke and char followed by a lemony, citric bitterness. IBUs linger in the aftertaste. Generous carbonation, bordering on spritzy, lighter than medium mouthfeel, good spicy bite, semi-dry finish. Awesome drinkability as I packed back three pints in no time.

I'm really glad that Milos got this in and I hope the Flying Monkeys keep pumping out beers like Netherworld. EDIT (November 2010): now that this is available in bottles it will be a regular drinker for me.

Photo of mrmanning
3.68/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Chancey Smith's- Thanks for getting this on Milos!- A very deep brown that only lets a bit of light in. Comes topped with a very generous mocha froth that lasted the entire length I drank the beer. Interesting nose is slightly roasty, with fresh leafy hops, citrus, a bit of pine, and vanilla. Tastes interesting. Only slightly of roasted malts and then come the fresh hops, pine, mint. There is some soft fruit towards the end with a bit of oak. Medium bodied. Very much a cross style. Very good job Peter!

Photo of Sammy
3.73/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Volo 2009 Cask Fest. Cross-style, it is a well-hopped porter. Stouty, there is mollasses. Citrus hops. Pours dark with a soapy head. A complex tasting,one sip is more porter, another more roast, another hoppier and one worth having again.This brewer is delivering interesting and hoppy new beers.

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Flying Monkeys Netherworld Cascadian Dark Ale from Flying Monkeys Craft Brewery
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