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Carnegie Porter 5,5% - Carlsberg Sverige AB

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BA SCORE
92
outstanding

517 Ratings
THE BROS
100
world-class

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Ratings: 517
Reviews: 337
rAvg: 4.11
pDev: 10.95%
Wants: 51
Gots: 25 | FT: 2
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Sweden

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".
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Photo of SilentSabre
3.5/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I must say, I'm a little let down by this one. I had such high expectations for it, and I just don't think it delivered. It was quite tasy and smelled okay; it just wasn't the big, black, chocolate pudding beer I thought it was going to be. It poured a dark reddish brown colour through which light could pass. It had a sandy coloured foamy head that stayed around for ages and left thick lacing clinging to the sides of the glass. This was quite nice, but I would have liked it better were it darker still. The smell was roasted malts with a bit of a bitter coffee bean under tone, and a really faint chocolate aroma hidden deep down. I expected so much more in the smell. I expected the roasted malt, coffee, and chocolate, but at much higher levels. There was also a bit of a soured smell present here, as well, such as something you might expect to find with a lambic. Not as strong of course, but there, faintly, nevertheless. The taste was sweet roasted malts and a touch of caramel. Not the unmanageable semi-sweet chocolate and punch in the face coffee bean bitterness I was so hoping for. Mouthfeel was a bit thin, both for what I was expecting, and the style as a whole, I thought. Overall, this was a good porter. Not a fantastic porter, simply a good one. I was simply expecting so much more from this one, only to be dissappointed a bit. 3.5's across the board.

Photo of yeahnatenelson
4.13/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Årgång 2004

Thrown in as an extra by Jwiss22 - what a great guy!

Appearance -- Pours a dark brown, black in the glass, with an abundance of dark khaki head.

Smell -- Roast malt, raisin, figs, cocoa powder, malted milk, and red wine.

Taste -- Vibrant malt sweetness up front: raisin, cabernet grapes, and figs. There's also some pleasant smokey/roast flavors, like cocoa powder, char, molasses. There's a little bit of wet cardboard-y oxidation, but it hardly detracts from all of the benefits that aging has brought.

Mouthfeel -- Medium to full in body with mild carbonation. Smooth.

Drinkability -- If you told me a 5.5% beer would maintain this well over the course of six years, I wouldn't have believed you. Great stuff.

Photo of geexploitation
4.33/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

This is a relatively rare porter with a vintage statement. This applies to the 2004 vintage. It's a treat. It pours deep brown/coffeelike, with a tan head that thins out quickly but retains a small amount of bubbles. The smell has some chocolate bitterness with some underlying raisiny notes. An appealing nose but nothing too sumptuous. More substantial is the taste of this beer -- chocolate bitterness predominates, especially on the back of the tongue. The mouthfeel is silky and smooth, but the drinkability of this beer suffers a bit from its richness. It's probably too much to put away many pints at a time.

One note on the vintage thing: I just had the 1997 vintage a few weeks ago. It had aged wonderfully -- in spite of the absence of bottle conditioning and a relatively low alcohol content, this beer at 7+ years old was huge, with a much more complex flavor than the 2004 vintage. Over time, some great date flavors came out in the beer, as well as some nicely sweet, cake-like flavors. Anyway, a few people on here have noted seeing some 1997s around as remainders and such. If you see the 1997, BUY IT. As long as it's been cared for between then and now, you're in for some serious goodness.

Photo of drseamus
3.98/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This is the 2004 vintage.

A: Fantastic looking beer all around. I poured it into my DFH snifter which it fit perfectly with the one inch head. The body is very dark black with a bit of ruby shining through the bottom. The head is actually a bit grayer than I'm used to for a porter but is nice and thick.

S: Smells more like whiskey than beer. There seems to be a bit of wood and chocolate and a good amount of sweetness.

T: It seems to have a whiskey taste as well including the woodiness. Just like the smell, there is some chocolate behind that although the sweetness is not there.

M: It isn't as thick as I would like and almost more reminiscent of the higher ABV double stouts like KBS or WWS.

D: Not a bad beer although it doesn't fit the Baltic Porter category very well.

Photo of Reaper16
4.08/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

500mL bottle -- 2009 vintage -- served into a pint glass (thanks, bar)

Pours a dark brown color, as expected, with hints of like a grape Robitussin or something. But only in terms of color; cough syrup has a thicker body that this beer. It looks thin for the style. About one finger of head the color of sun-bleached sand forms.

This baltic porter may be on the lightest spectrum of the style, but it is not lacking at all for aroma. It has a huge nose full of raisins, dates, brown sugar, plum skin, and black cherry cola. It's a very lovely aroma.

While the aroma didn't give away this beer's sub-6% ABV, the taste does. It tastes somewhat muted relative to the Okocims or Olfabrikkens of the baltic porter world. It tastes like Baltic Porter Lite, though that description sounds more favorable in my head than it probably sounds in yours as you read this. I still think this a good beer; there's a place for beer's that try to delivery imperial-strength flavor in a more sessionable form.

The mouthfeel is the worst part of this beer by far. It's so thin, even for the style, that it comes across as watery. Like carbonated water, because the carbonation is very assertive here.

Overall, this doesn't blow me away, but it is far better than any 5.50% ABV attempt at a Blaltic Porter. In fact, I'm very impressed by the amount of aroma and flavor are in a beer this light.

Photo of ELECTRONICAnonymous
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of udubdawg
4.38/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

16.9 oz bottle of the 2004 vintage
Pours nearly black, with some reddish highlights where sunlight sneaks through near the edges. Noticeably thin compared to most everything I else I drink that is this color. A tan head formed slowly but eventually reached over an inch in height before fading to an uneven ring with only a couple spots of lacing left behind.

Nose is lighter than I remember it - perhaps it is fading with age though I remember it lasting longer than this before. Still, it is very nice, full of chocolate, dark fruit and molasses. A bit redolent of port wine. Not noticing any alcohol here. I've had other bottles that rated a 4.5 - at least - in this category.

Just as tasty as I remembered it. More of the same from the aroma - rich, carmelized, and a bit roasty, flavors blended about perfectly. Quite sweet, complex, and fruity. Molasses and chocolate lasts into the finish, which also features a pleasant bitterness not noticed before. Excellent.

Very low carbonation and a bit thin across the tongue - a bit surprisingly for how creamy it is. While I wouldn't have more than one very often, that one delicious bottle is extremely drinkable.

Photo of OldFrothingSlosh
4.47/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2000 edition.

Porters have made a strong comback in my book, following the disappointment that was the Polygamy Porter that kept me away for so long. This one was stellar.

Appearance: Poured a near pitch-black in color. Hold it up to the light and nothing passes through it (cue the Dark Knight from "MP and the Quest for the Holy Grail: "None shall pass!"). Creamy smooth and thick layer of toffee-colored head stands upon the body of the beer. There's a fair amount of spotty lace that sticks to the glass as I consumed this.

Smell: In a word...lovely. Chocolate, caramel latte' from Starbucks, raisins.

Taste: Very toffee-like. Heath bar flavor with some smoky flavor showing up at the end. Some dark fruit notes and fresh espresso coffee as well. Milk-chocolate flavor brings a close to this flavorful porter.

Mouthfeel and Drinkability: Nearly top-notch. Low levels of carbonation really enhances the "full" mouthfeel that this has. Creamy smooth. Highly quaffable.

Notes: Sadly, this is no longer brewed and I raise my empty pint glass to AKSmokedPorter for supplying me with this gem. I would love to get me mitts on a few more of these. Well-done.

Photo of yelterdow
4.55/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

16.9 oz. bottle, served at between cellar and fridge temperature in a Duvel tulip. Bottled in 2000, drink by date reads November 2010.

Appearance- Rich, chocolate brown goodness fills my glass supporting a finger-thick light tan head... Spotty lacing dots the surface as the head slowly breaks apart.

Aroma- Smells like a cross between a vintage old ale and a porter... the leather, mildew, and century-old hardbound book elements blend together in glorious fashion with Tootsie Roll chocolate, dark fudge, and dark fruit. No coffee in the aroma, surprisingly... but that's fine with me. Enough complexities here to go on for days.

Taste- Distinguished... Established... Accomplished... these three words come to mind after spending some time with this beer in my mouth. Mature and stately, it's grown up... a beverage with time and sophistication under its belt. The flavors, difficult to decipher individually because of the superb integration, are so cohesive that I marvel at its balance. Figs and plums dance in a molasses-soaked liquor of divinity.

Mouthfeel/Drinkability- Viscous but relatively light in the mouth, the smooth rise and fall is wonderfully complementary to the beer's texture. At 5.5%, it has subtleties and complexities that don't usually reveal themselves in a beer of this strength... and the European hop profile really seals the envelope in the superb finish. Fabulous beer, a gem worth seeking out.

Photo of Hootie159
3.9/5  rDev -5.1%

Photo of Jredner
3.9/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Dark brown with a thin head. Smells of chocolate and mildly of molasses. Lightly roasted with sweet malt and more molasses and chocolate. Very mild, but also very compelling. You just want another sip. It almost has a Baltic Porter taste profile, but none of the BP alcohol.

Photo of damndirtyape
4.43/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle (2010 date) poured into a tulip glass.

Appearance: Black beer with persistent 1/8" tan head. When held up to the light some light gets around at the edges revealing a dark cola brown color. Little islands and delicate strands of lacing noted. Very nice looking beer.

Smell: With a swirl, cocoa liquor with a nice malt backbone, along with hints of coffee, burnt sugar, and smoke thrown in. Great smelling and very appealing beer. Once the head dies down a bit, fainter chocolate with some fruity (grape?) notes.

Taste: Cream, smooth toasted malt, a hint of chocolate, and a bitter finish that a definite smoky tone to it that lingers a bit after the swallow. Very tasty and well balanced.

Mouthfeel: Good carbonation, a little bit sticky but still very smooth.

Overall / Drinkability: Outstanding beer. Wonderful taste and if this truly is the same recipe as was brewed in 1836, then this is a beer recipe of perfection for the ages. If not, well it's still quite good and I could easily have another one or two. Very good by itself and would be good with a meal as well. I had this by itself but I could easily see having this with beef or a dessert.

Photo of benloho
4.15/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Photo of MoreThanWine
2.68/5  rDev -34.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured a 1 tan head. To me this whole thing comes across as coffee just in slightly varying degrees - the appearance is black coffee, the bouquet is a weak iced coffee, and the flavor is a slightly sweet and mild coffee dessert - like maybe a cold coffee pie slice. Hey I still enjoyed it, there just wasn't a lot of complexity in my sample, and it cost me $8 for a 9 oz bottle so I was expecting more. Perhaps my sample sat on the shelf in Massachusetts too long and if I'd had a fresher sample in Sweden I'd be singing the praises?

Photo of akttr
3/5  rDev -27%

Photo of jamie2dope
4.1/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is another beer I always see sitting on the shelf, but am never too sure how long it's been there, so I tend to hold off. In this case however I figured it was a nice change of pace to have a strong Porter on a cold Winter night. It poured a nice dark brown, that was somewhat lighter when held up to the light. Smell was somewhat weak, but did have a nice milk chocolate nose. It was also pretty clean in the smell overall. Taste had lots of burnt coffee beans, bitter chocolate, and the aftertaste you get from a nice cigar. Mouthfeel was a notch above medium, and very nice on the palate. This ia a great beer. It would do well as a sipping beer or as a gulper. I personally found no problem in finishing the sample I had. A really well done effort for the Porter style. Usually I am let down by this style, but when it's right, it really hits the spot. Worth a shot for sure.

Photo of davey101
4.15/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2009 vintage. 11.2 oz bottle with the larger style rectangular label and stick on rear label.

A - Dark brown body that allows a hint of light to penetrate around the edges. One finger light mocha head forms initially and dies down to some edging and a faint cap. Light lacing forms.

S - Initially its roasted malts and some coffee notes. Faint notes of port and red wine/fruits linger in the background.

T - Sweet malts, a bit of charred wood, and dark fruits. Theres also an almost citrus lightness to it. Some metallic and ash notes finish the beer off. Mouth feel is light and creamy with solid carbonation.

O - What an odd beer. It has some roasty tobacco malt notes, but it also has a surprisingly bright fruit element to it. Really delicious aged beer that I got for a bargain price.

Photo of marct
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of Zekenyce
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of BeerBuilder
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours black with ruby highlights. It forms a thick, light brown head with excellent lacing. The aroma is roasty and chocolatey. It has a deep roasted malt flavor. It is expresso-like in flavor also. It is a full-bodied beer, which has a somewhat creamy texture. It was a very tasty porter; I would definitely sample this one again.

Photo of ajs4bd
3.75/5  rDev -8.8%

Photo of zenithberwyn
4/5  rDev -2.7%

Photo of Brushkanna
5/5  rDev +21.7%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

WOW that’s a great beer. We had a Porter & Stout beer tasting over New Years Eve and of the 12 beers we tried this was hands down #1. Some of the beers we had were bitter, or had chocolate and coffee flavors, too much going on in some of them. Carnegie Porter had the straight-up porter style that I look for, full flavored, smooth with a short creamy head, World Class. This is the first beer I felt compelled to review.

Photo of nomad
4.43/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2001 vintage - aged 2 years

This beer looked pretty much black, with a mocha-colored thin foam head and not much lace to speak of. Smell was smooth and complex, of malt, dark coffee, dark chocolate, but then some sweet corn-like smell that heavily malty beers sometimes exude.

Taste was thick, rich, and smooth, with some good sweet malt that was calm to the core. Very dark without ever being burdening on the palate, this beer had a very full and tasty roast flavor at the end. In fact, the toast and roast flavors continued to roll around my tongue, seeming to change but was actually just plain old captivating. Had a drying finish but just enough so.

Wish it wasn’t so expensive. Also hard to believe you can age it even more because it was not terribly exciting but definitely better than average. Very easy to drink and drink much of.

Photo of beveragecaptain
4/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Absurdly small 8.3 ounce bottle. Carnegie porter pours out a black topped with an oily film. Big malty aroma that can be smelled from several feet away. Lots of cookie dough in the aroma, with some cocoa. Roasted malt flavor, followed by sweet dough, like that of a dopplebock. This beer actually makes me think of a stout crossed with a dopplebock. Very little hop flavor. Mouthfeel is a tad watery. This beer left me craving another, but then again it was only an 8.3 ounce bottle.

Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
92 out of 100 based on 517 ratings.