Carnegie Porter 5,5% - Carlsberg Sverige AB

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BA SCORE
91
outstanding

527 Ratings
THE BROS
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world-class

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Ratings: 527
Reviews: 338
rAvg: 4.1
pDev: 10.73%
Wants: 52
Gots: 30 | FT: 2
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Sweden

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".
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Photo of poluti
3.61/5  rDev -12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I had the 2004 version.
It pours an extremely dark red until it settles into an inky black with red edges when held to the light. It has a tan head closer to white than brown. The consistency of the head was fantastic. It smelled malty sweet with not too many hop characteristics that I could gather. Overall, the aroma was pleasant but not outstanding. This beer is balanced towards the sweet side in terms of flavor. Obviously the hops are not that evident but I wished there was something else there to counteract the very sweet malty tones it was giving me. This was a very creamy beer and it sat very well on the side of my tongue as I swished it around. It left a fairly clean taste that I was very pleased with. I probably will not pick this beer up again. However, I know a couple people that would love this stuff so I have to skew drinkablity up.

Photo of jakester
3.92/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I bought this as a single at Union Jack's on the Manatawny. I drank it in a goblet. This is the 2004 version. It comes in a 16.9 oz. bottle.

Pours an absolutely pitch black with active carbonation visible on the sides of the glass. A nice, two fingered head of beige colored foam forms on top, drops to a good coating and a ring, with very nice lacing.

Aroma is mostly chocolate, with a slight coffee background.
There is also some kind of chalky, metallic smell in there. I think I can detect licorice as well. The metallic aroma becomes a little too much as it warms.

First flavor is sweet chocolate, with a hint of coffee. This tastes much better than it smells. I actually started holding my breath as I sipped. Pretty darn clean for a two year old, small alcohol beer. Licorice is in there, I think, and fruit flavors like very dark rum soaked cherries. Aftertaste is dark, sweet, and mellow.

Mouthfeel is fairly smooth and creamy, with a high level of residual sweetness. Pretty full bodied. Carbonation is low to medium. Finish is smooth and luscious.

If it wasn't for the smell, this would be outstanding. I honestly held my breath for every sip, trying not to ruin the taste. The flavor is really good. And actually, after 15 minutes or so, the smell went away. One I'd have again. I'd just open it and let it breathe for a while.

Photo of bruachan
4.48/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

served in a nice big (16.9 oz) bottle at the winking lizard. "argang 2004" on the label

pitch black in appearance with some garnet highlights at the base. a great big head slowly makes its descent, but not without first depositing some nice frosting on the way down

dark smoky flavor with a hint of licorice. the rich smoothiness of roast lasts and lasts. mild bitterness

this beer is absolutely delicious and at 5.5% it's incredibly drinkable

Photo of geexploitation
4.3/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

This is a relatively rare porter with a vintage statement. This applies to the 2004 vintage. It's a treat. It pours deep brown/coffeelike, with a tan head that thins out quickly but retains a small amount of bubbles. The smell has some chocolate bitterness with some underlying raisiny notes. An appealing nose but nothing too sumptuous. More substantial is the taste of this beer -- chocolate bitterness predominates, especially on the back of the tongue. The mouthfeel is silky and smooth, but the drinkability of this beer suffers a bit from its richness. It's probably too much to put away many pints at a time.

One note on the vintage thing: I just had the 1997 vintage a few weeks ago. It had aged wonderfully -- in spite of the absence of bottle conditioning and a relatively low alcohol content, this beer at 7+ years old was huge, with a much more complex flavor than the 2004 vintage. Over time, some great date flavors came out in the beer, as well as some nicely sweet, cake-like flavors. Anyway, a few people on here have noted seeing some 1997s around as remainders and such. If you see the 1997, BUY IT. As long as it's been cared for between then and now, you're in for some serious goodness.

Photo of Jredner
3.89/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Dark brown with a thin head. Smells of chocolate and mildly of molasses. Lightly roasted with sweet malt and more molasses and chocolate. Very mild, but also very compelling. You just want another sip. It almost has a Baltic Porter taste profile, but none of the BP alcohol.

Photo of ElGordo
3.43/5  rDev -16.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

2004 Vintage, purchased at A Southern Season. Pours a dark brown with amber highlights, topped by a creamy tan head that has some staying power. Aroma of toasted malt with a slight metallic tinge. The malt comes through rather roasty on the palate, with a bit of a nutty character peeking through. Very light notes of milk chocolate and oats. Body is kind of thin for a porter. Goes down easy, though, I will say that. Not a particularly remarkable beer.

Photo of skynxnex
4.65/5  rDev +13.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

2004 vintage. Says Best Before May 2014. So sampled a few years before then.

I poured the 25 oz bottle into an imperial pint glass. Brings up a decent tan head. The color is dark brown with ruby highlights--nearly black but not quite. Leaves little lacing.

The smell, wow. It's sweet with some fruit and maybe a touch of alcohol. The roasted malt rises up and plays in your nose.

It tastes just really balanced. Sweet creamy mouthfeel mixed with the bitterness of the coffee and roasted malt. A nice hop flavor lingers and there's good hint of the hop bitterness peaking through as well. The carbonation is mild and feels just right. I drank the 25 oz never feeling like it was at all too much. Goes really well with a nice dark chocolate as well. I was expecting this to be a good beer, but it goes beyond that. It doesn't amazing strong flavors but it just works.

Photo of MaltyGoodness
4/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

25oz bottle. Vintage 2004.

Pours a rich black with some ruby highlights. A tan head that thins, but doesn't completely fade. Nice lacing on the glass.

Aroma of roasted grains with a sweet malty backdrop. A rather mild aroma.

A nice light roated flavor upfront with a sweet malty accompaniment. Follows with a slight hop bite and finishes roasty and clean.

Medium body and quite smooth.

Nice and easy to drink baltic porter. Has aged nicely. Very enjoyable.

Photo of beveragecaptain
4.02/5  rDev -2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Absurdly small 8.3 ounce bottle. Carnegie porter pours out a black topped with an oily film. Big malty aroma that can be smelled from several feet away. Lots of cookie dough in the aroma, with some cocoa. Roasted malt flavor, followed by sweet dough, like that of a dopplebock. This beer actually makes me think of a stout crossed with a dopplebock. Very little hop flavor. Mouthfeel is a tad watery. This beer left me craving another, but then again it was only an 8.3 ounce bottle.

Photo of barrelman
4.2/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2004 vintage.

Brown color with ample head and lacing. Aroma is mostly sweet, but not overpowering. Taste is smooth with roast at the end. After taste is clean and short. This beer tastes very clean withnot too many distractions. I really enjoy that. Not many off flavors or esters present.

Mouthfeel is great. Perfect. The drinkability of this beer is fantastic. I could see the third being just as good as the first.

Photo of neonbrown82
4.5/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This bottle is from 2001, and it's still kicking. This is a very good porter, and it's a shame that it has been discontinued. Still plenty of stock to burn through at work, however.

Pours very thin with a jet black color and a thin white head that recedes to a ring around the glass. Leaves a beautiful lacing that ever so slowly washes down the sides of the glass until ultimately rejoining the beer. Carbonation is still active after several years of dormancy.

The smell is quite sweet. Has a very mild roast to it. A bit of caramel. Not a whole lot to add. Smells quite typical of an English porter even though it's a baltic porter from Sweden.

The taste is great. One of my favorite porters. Very mild with a nice chocolate and caramel backing along with a very slight roast. Very refreshing. Some interesting yeasty esters follow the initial taste.

The mouthfeel is a bit on the thin and watery side, which does not detract from the enjoyability of beverage but merely serves to make it more easily drinkable. It's a sure winner in that department. I am somewhat curious as to how this beer got the classification of a baltic porter (other than the geography, obviously) since this seems to be more of a mild English porter more than anything. I am not a stickler for style guidelines however, as long as your stout doesn't taste like a pale, for instance. This is definitely a good beer whatever you call it.

Photo of Zorro
4.35/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Retired? This bottle "Årgång 2004" and was delivered to the store just this week.

Pours a clear extremely dark brown beer with a nice brown head.

Smell is quite rich. Caramelized sugar and rye are the first things you smell. Fruit smell is mostly raisins, plums and figs. The last thing I can smell is a faint whiff of smoke.

Taste is very sweet and malty with a fairly strong hit of smoke and bitterness in the finish. A feisty porter that wants to argue with your tongue. "I am sweet and mild" and then it totally turns the tables "No I am smoky dark, and bitter" a Jekyll and Hyde flavor. Fairly fruity in the middle of the extremes in taste. Nice long lasting bitterness in the taste. Only one minor defect, there is a slight metallic flavor from the dark roasted malts used, just a hint but it is there.

Mouthfeel is thick.

A tasty drinkable beer here, too bad it is $5 a bottle. Full flavored Baltic porter that I can recommend.

Photo of battlekow
2.37/5  rDev -42.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Carnegie Stark Porter pours a flat garnet-tinged dark brown. Nose is way, way too "baltic" for me, by which I mean prunes are the only thing I detect, which makes the Stark Porter smell like some kind of evil Jamba Juice concoction. Taste has some echoes of the prunes, but not nearly as intense. Light toasted finish. Maybe it's just relative to the nose, but really doesn't taste like much, maybe like diluted grape or prune juice. Mouthfeel features absolutely no carbonation whatsoever, adding to the juice illusion, but is relatively thick. Overall, the Carnegie Stark Porter is a little gross in some areas and not really there in the rest.

I think "Årgång 1997" means that this is from 1997--that can't have helped.

Photo of connecticutpoet
4.08/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Vintage 2004.

This brew was a rich, dark brown... clear, and with a one0finger tan head that took a while to die down, first to a layer of foam, eventually to a thin scrim on the surface.

The aroma was of coffee with cream and roasted malts.. but it was very light and airy. Hard to detect.

Taste was very rich, mainly slightly sweet roasted malts. There was also some slightly burnt toffee thrown in there for good measure. Overall well balanced.

Mouthfeel was nice and chewy, quite good for the style. About what I had hoped for,

Drinakability likewise is very good. I just wish it was less expensive, and that it wasn't retired. Oh well, it is still going down well tonight.

Photo of putnam
4.25/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Vintage 2004.
Dark brown. Aromas of molten red clay, coffee, chocolate, nut paste and poppy. Drinkable, even texture. Sweet coffee liquor rushes the doughy mousse. Very neat and perfect proportioned. Highly drinkable. Perfect with butter drenched prawns, crab or rare grass fed filet, Irish style.

Photo of GnomeKing
4.2/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Dark as night, with a minimal head whose bubbles pop quickly and without creaming up on your lips. There's a spice edge up front, yielding to the taste of chocolate without the sugar--a little on the dry side. Some tastes of nuts.

It's really drinkable. It's interesting to see an example of the style that's only 5.5 ABV. I prefer something more robust in a baltic porter, one of my very favorite styles, but this is still very good. At 5.5%, perhaps this could become my baltic porter session beer, except that...

Final whine: Retired? Whaaahhh!

Photo of DogFood11
3.57/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Gobbled this at Barney's Beanery in west hollywood, former stomping grounds of Janis Joplin and Mr Jim Morrison. Poured a dark brown without much sunlight able to penetrate this pup. lots of burnt type tones to it. Extremely smooth to the point of being watery. Coffee was evident but not prominent. Finished with some hops but not overly dry.

Overall I thought it was ok but for the price it was not a beer I'll pursue. I'll pay for a great brew but for an OK brew no.

Edit Feb 2006: Bottled 2004 version. Still not one I'd seek out but if this was the offering at my hotel in Ibiza I'd gobble it up and love it. As it stands, LA has enough options to where this brew is a passer by.

Edit Feb 2007: Had another bottle of the 2004 and I stand by my original scores. Its just OK fresh or with age. A bit of a cola feel starts to creep in as it gets older and not a bad thing really as this needs a bit more depth.

Photo of ChrisBowers
4.32/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

1997 vintage poured from the bottle. Very little carbonation, coffee like darkness. Aroma was sweet, chocolately. Taste wasn't quite what I was expecting, but excellent nonetheless. We're talking Frappucino type cafe mocha coffee/chocolate creaminess. Unlike almost anything I'd had in a beer. Sweet but not too sweet, lack of intense carbonation I'm sure helped. Very nice to savor in your mouth for a second. Nice complex notes of vanilla as well. Very very smooth and drinkable.... you could slug down the entire 9oz bottle and not even flinch, but what fun would that be?

Photo of kmpitz2
4.3/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

1997 vintage.

Pours a deep brown to black color with no head over top. Not even a puff when the cap was popped. The nose is light fig, and soy sauce. A very nice combination. I'd like a little more force in there, but I can live with it. The flavor is nice. Mellowed chocolate covered fig, touched with a soy, but not biting, flavor. Almost a light smokeyness in there as well. No hint of oxidation. Incredibly tasty. The feel is a light moderate, with no carbonation. Overall, an incredibly drinkable brew. Easily a session beer for me. I'm sad this is the only one I have.

Photo of clvand0
4.13/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

1997 Vintage. Pours a very dark color with no head and leaves no lacing on the glass. The aroma has the character of a very sweet raisin with possibly some other fruits in there and a hint of soy sauce. The flavor has a lot of chocolate in it that sticks around, but it also has some dark fruit character and some other dark malts. It's dark tasty for an eight year old beer. Not much in the way of roastiness. Mouthfeel is kind of thin, but again, it's really old. The drinkability is really good.

Photo of Brian700
4.29/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer pours a very dark brown with basically very little to no head. The smell makes up for the lack of head. I must admit that
I pre-judged this beer by its average appearance before trying it.

The smell is roasty and chocolatey but it also has fruit notes present. It smells like there are plums or dates there as well. It's a nice blend and adds complexity to this brew.

The flavor follows the nose on this beer because it to is roasty and chocolatey but it is blended with the fruity flavor of raisins and dates. Very tasty indeed.

The mouthfeel is good. Medium carbonation and medium body. This is a very drinkable beer. I like it alot and will probably be going back to the store to pick up a few more of these. It is kind of pricey considering that the bottles are only 8.82 fl. oz. None the less I highly recommend trying this one.

Photo of horndecker
4.77/5  rDev +16.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Vintage 2000. Curious to see if this is a bit long in the tooth, or if it has some longevity.

The color is inky black with the odd raspberry red highlight. A fine tan head flares and settles, leaving some sticky suds.

The smell is lots of chocolate, a faint grassy hop, a hint of cherries, all of it rather earthy and dark. Some espresso notes at the end.

The taste is chocolate, roasted malt, almost malted milk, slight burnt flavors, but not edgy, very smooth. There is a mild bitterness which tempers the chocolate center, and leads to a dusty cocoa aftertaste.

It seems to have a bit less fruit than younger bottles I have had. The coffee/espresso contribution seems to diminish as well. Still a great beer, and beautifully put together. Enjoyed for it's earthier character.

Photo of mntlover
4/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours dark with a tan head that falls to a cap and leaves some spotty lace behind.

Aroma is malty chocolate lots of fruity esters some caramel also noted.

Taste is chocolate malt nice roasted flavors mixed with fruit nice carbonation makes it feel zesty then fades to creamy with some light coffee flavors in the finish.

Mouthfeel is nice smooth with some active carbonation that is felt also.

Drinkability is good a nice porter. A bit pricey for what it is but still nice.

Photo of GCBrewingCo
3.3/5  rDev -19.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

The beer poured into the glass translucent clear and yet pitch black with a frothy yet low tan head which coated the glass from top to bottom.

The aroma was strong chocolate with dark caramel and a licorice note thrown in for good measure. The aroma had some distinct roastiness.

The flavor was chocolate, but dry dark chocolate. Caramel was present, but it wasn't a sweet and malty contribution. The flavor was roasty and the bittering from the roasty grains was harsh. That bitter harshness was not well done at all.

The finish was dry with lasting bitter expresso and chocolate flavors that lasted just a bit too long into the aftertaste. The body was medium and well achieved. The bittering from the roasted grains really detracted from the enjoyment of this beer. The flavors and finish were harsh and not the stuff of world class beer.

16.9 ounce bottle. Best before April 2010 (April 2010...5 years and I certainly did not purchase this yesterday! Perhaps if I had it would have been better, or perhaps I should have waited till 2010!)

Photo of silver0rlead
4.25/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours an opaque black, with a thick tan head that retains nicely, a fine looking porter. Smell is an intriguing mix of coffee, chocolate, roasted malt and a smokiness thats hard to place. Taste had coffee flavors along with a sweet chocolate malt taste and and a smokey roasted flavor that is mild but noticeable. The finish is pleasantly dry and bitter, a nice crisp finish to a flavorful porter. The mouthfeel is creamy and smooth but the carbonation is moderate and adds a nice crispness to the beer. Overall an excellent porter, this is my first baltic porter and im looking forward to trying some more.

Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
91 out of 100 based on 527 ratings.