Carnegie Porter 5,5% - Carlsberg Sverige AB

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Reviews: 336
Hads: 529
rAvg: 4.13
pDev: 10.17%
Wants: 52
Gots: 30 | FT: 2
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Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".
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Photo of morimech
3.8/5  rDev -8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Stark-Porter 2006 Vintage with a best by date of January 2016.

Very dark brown that appears black in the glass. One inch of head forms but quickly settles to a thin cap. Moderate amount of spotty lacing is left on the glass.

Has that European lager aroma going on. As the beer opens up there comes some added complexity. Subtle hints of chocolate, dark malt, coffee, and the slightest touch of cherries.

The taste is a little more impressive. Slightly bitter chocolate, a little roasted malt, and a faint fruitiness melds nicely into a good flavor. There is also some earthiness. Not as bigged flavored as American brewers intrepertation of the style but more of a traditional beer. I am also surprised by the decade long aging ability. I cannot see aging helping this beer at all.

The body is not very large. In fact it feels a bit watery. Considering the low ABV, I am not that surprised. Just enough carbonation to give some life to the beer.

As I worked my way through the bottle, I came to appreciate the beer more. Not my favorite Baltic Porter but nice considering its historic significance. (1,103 characters)

Photo of Reagan1984
3.73/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to Masterski for providing this in a recent trade. Alex is a good man.

Very creamy 2+ finger of beige head sits atop this beer. It slowly collapses but takes it's time and shows excellent retention. The beer is almost as black as an Imperial Stout. Help to a bright light you get some slight light coming through. Nice sheets of lacing.

Aroma is malty, caramel and a whiff of alcohol which is strange since it's only 5.5%.

Roasted malt and chocolate notes dominate here. A slight molasses flavor as well. Somewhat musty as well. Perhaps a little licorice here.

Fairly thick bodied and dry on your tongue. A slight dry or powder like feeling on your tongue. A little abv heat which again is strange at 5.5%.

The end of the flavor is slightly abrupt which cuts down on the drinkability for me. It's good and you can't say it's watery, but still the flavor ends quickly. (883 characters)

Photo of canucklehead
3.65/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Picked up a 1997 bottle from Archer's Ale House in Bellingham. The beer was black as black with minimal head. The nose was winy and old fruity. The taste was aged and vinous with the burnt malts in the background. I felt that this bottle was maybe too old as the midbody seemed slightly hollow. I know that this beer can be cellared eventhough it is only 5.5% but I feel the low abv may have let some of the bigger flavours dissipate. I enjoyed this beer but wanted a bigger set of flavours. (491 characters)

Photo of hopdog
3.6/5  rDev -12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle labeled Argang 1997.

Poured a dark black color with almost no head - what head was there was an off white. Aromas of chocolate and licorice . Lighter tastes. Very light coffee on top of the chocolate. Some roastiness too.

Notes from: 12/30/04 (252 characters)

Photo of Brent
4/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2001 Vintage. Black with some ruby tinge. Of the Baltic porters I've had so far, this is both the lightest flavored and lowest abv. Some very mild oxidation flavor present in the first few sips, but after the beer warmed it faded, or I just got used to it. Sharply sweet candy-ish aroma, almost surprising when the beer does not turn out to be particularly sweet in flavor. Carmelized fig and prune flavors, but in moderation. Finishes with a bit a acidity that cleans up nicely and leaves a pleasant sour bitterness at the roof of the mouth. Not really a fireside sipper like other Baltics, but overall more drinkable than its bretheren. (638 characters)

Photo of FLima
3.9/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

This beer dates back to 1836, which was a surprise for a Swedish beer.
Deep black color with a thin head with low retention.
Grainy raw malt aroma with clear mocha notes.
Flavor of roasted and toasted malts, dark chocolate and earthy hops. Hints of licorice, raisins and figs.
Very dry aftertaste with a long lasting residual taste of dark malts, cocoa powder and hops.
Full body with low carbonation.
What a beautiful Baltic Porter. If you like dark beers, it is a must. (471 characters)

Photo of notchucknorris
4/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Pours a slightly thin looking black color with about a 1/2 in tan head.

S: I picked up a ton of bitter coffee at first, but it mellowed as the beer warmed a bit. Chocolate and some roasted malt as well.

T: Much sweeter than I expected. Espresso, chocolate, chocolate cake, roasted malt and maybe a touch of hops towards the finish. Pretty tasty. Mouthfeel is slightly thin but has a nice creamy feel. (405 characters)

Photo of merlin48
3.82/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

2001 vintage with "best before 2010" on label. Pours an opaque, almost pitch black with a tan head that quickly drops into patchy and collar lacing. Aroma of burnt coffee, smoke, licorice, and a hint of chocolate. Mouthfeel is medium bodied, creamy, and has a mild peppery bite. Taste is similar to the nose, with burnt coffee, smokiness, licorice, and spicy, dry, bittering hops. Very drinkable, and a nice Porter, but nothing outstanding at this stage. I was surprised by the "best before" date being a several years down the road. This one will probably be much better in a couple of years. (593 characters)

Photo of Vancer
4.16/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before May 2014 – holy crap! And I found it in a close-out bin for only $2 a 500ml. Only 2 bottles in there, damn.

Coal black pour, massive ivory head, good lacing – this brew is off on the right foot! Semi-stoutish aroma of chocolate, coffee, and the infamous sour ale.

Dry quaff works the above notes into the taste quite well. Just a small pop of chalkyness, and this processes a nice hop balance to qwell any cloying sweetness. Creamy like a milk stout, the 5 and a half % alcohol makes this close to a real session drinker. (537 characters)

Photo of ThisWangsChung
4.11/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

I was surprised to see this in my Neighborhood Liquor Store™, so of course I had to bite the bullet. 11.2 oz bottle into a pint glass, 2010 vintage.

A: Pours a dark ruby color. It appears pitch black from a glance, however it shows ruby-red edges when held up to a good light. The head is a two finger light mocha shade. It doesn't retain itself well, unfortunately, but manages to leave behind good lacing.

S: Rich as hell, yet also quite sweet. Aside from mild (and expected) oxidation, there are also strong notes of dark fruits, along with a good helping of cocoa powder. It does a good job of coming across bigger than it really is.

T: The opening flavors, indeed, are sweet and fruity. After that, it gradually dries out. A midtaste full of luscious cocoa powder becomes lightly ashy on the finish and aftertaste. However, it remains plummy throughout the flavor profile, and even shows some good depth.

M: It's got a lighter body, with a mild finishing dryness helping to keep some of the sweeter flavors in check. Carbonation is low as expected, but not quite flat. It's quite easy to drink given its relative rich flavor.

O: Lowish carbonation aside, this has aged like a champ. A shame I'll likely never be able to find this again (barring a trade) because this is really excellent stuff. And hey, I didn't have to drink a crappy Carlsberg lager or sell my soul for a bottle of Kaggen! Stormakstporter just so I could tick a Swedish brew! (1,456 characters)

Photo of Boto
4.03/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

500ml bottle: Mine was marked "ARGANG 2006", although I bought it recently. This one pours an inky very dark brown color. Mine had about no head on it whatsoever. A little bit of a sweeter aroma. Caramel and toffee, with just a faint roastiness in there also. A bit of sweetness in the taste. Coffee, chocolate, caramel, toffee and a hint of roastiness dominate the taste. A touch of slickness on the tongue. Nice! (414 characters)

Photo of msubulldog25
4.17/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A 16.9 oz bottle, with a simple label almost all written in Swedish - årgång 2004. Not my first Swedish beer ever (thanks to a 1999 trip to Stockholm/Västerås for my brother's wedding, where plenty of Pripps Blå was consumed), but my first in a long time. Label reads: "Carnegie Porter was brewed for the first time in 1836 and tastes the same today as it did then."

A: Deep, dark brown with amber at the edges. Hardly any head; what there is appears stark white, surrounding the glass with a small ring and capping it with a star-shaped film. A little sticking lace, in thin bands.

S: Sweet & malty, to be expected of a Baltic Porter. Toasted grain and mild fruit. Pleasant, though a little subtle.

T: Malty sweetness with lots of spice and caramel, but with more bittering, grain huskiness, a little smoke. Slightly medicinal, citrus-y finish. Cocoa and darker chocolate in the finish. Dark roasted and some lactic sourness in the finish. Very tasty and nicely balanced.

M: Actively carbonated mouthfeel on a medium body. Grainy/sweet finish with some lingering spice. Infinitely smooth, lightly creamy, nice mouthfeel overall.

D: Very easy to drink, flavors aren't conducive to lots of drinking but good for a bottle. Worth a try, a good Baltic Porter. (1,275 characters)

Photo of wedge
3.82/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

2010

Pitch black with a fluffy, beige head that reduces to a creamy ring around the edge of the glass. Some sediment left in the bottle. Interesting aroma - along with a fresh chocolate grain richness, there is a good amount of toffee, nuts, prune, and port. Dark malt and fruit flavor exhibiting some tartness and a dry roasty edge. Dark fruit, berries, and molasses. Not as rich as many Baltic Porters, but then it is unusually light in alcohol. Medium bodied and pretty clean, but seems to fall a little flat. I'd be interested to see what this would be like properly cellared for a couple more years. (605 characters)

Photo of GCBrewingCo
3.3/5  rDev -20.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

The beer poured into the glass translucent clear and yet pitch black with a frothy yet low tan head which coated the glass from top to bottom.

The aroma was strong chocolate with dark caramel and a licorice note thrown in for good measure. The aroma had some distinct roastiness.

The flavor was chocolate, but dry dark chocolate. Caramel was present, but it wasn't a sweet and malty contribution. The flavor was roasty and the bittering from the roasty grains was harsh. That bitter harshness was not well done at all.

The finish was dry with lasting bitter expresso and chocolate flavors that lasted just a bit too long into the aftertaste. The body was medium and well achieved. The bittering from the roasted grains really detracted from the enjoyment of this beer. The flavors and finish were harsh and not the stuff of world class beer.

16.9 ounce bottle. Best before April 2010 (April 2010...5 years and I certainly did not purchase this yesterday! Perhaps if I had it would have been better, or perhaps I should have waited till 2010!) (1,054 characters)

Photo of Metalmonk
4.37/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I never think about Swedish beer, but I suppose if I did, I wouldn't think "porter". Let's see...

Poured a big head, though it didn't stay around, reducing to a thin layer and a more substantial tan crown. The black color is a beautiful thing, and bubbles show ample carbonation within the abyss.

Big juicy aroma, bursting with chocolate, coffee, and dark fruits, with just a little smoke giving a nice edge.

Flavor brings on some big, upfront flavors: coffee, caramel, chocolate, dates, cola, and a balancing citric sweetness in the finish. Slightly mineral aftertaste, and an earthy overall bitterness that makes sure this doesn't become too overbearing one way or another.

Mouthfeel is mildly sticky, giving some character to the medium body. Stickiness lets a variety of flavors ride out on the tongue, I still taste smoke, toffee and chocolate long after I've put the glass down.

This was immensely enjoyable. I look forward to hunting it down again. [I'm assuming "Argang 2004" on the bottle means it was brewed in 2004. Best Before date is May 2014] (1,072 characters)

Photo of Mitchster
4.82/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Pours out to a very dark brown with mahogany accents, near black. Forms a thin tan head with poor retention and sparse lacing despite a heavy handed pour. Carbonation is mild. Aroma is very nice, with suggestions of fruits, dates, prunes, chocolate, vanilla, coffee. Clean ferment. Mouthfeel is full and soft with a dense body and luxurious finish. Taste is wonderful...a capitulation of the aroma with the addition of tobacco, a suggestion of woody dryness towards the finish, and a brisk, clean twangy finish. There is a hint of metal towards the middle, but tends to disappear over time. There is a very nice roasted character with a hint of chalk in the mix. Alcohol is imperceptable, and there are absolutely no off-flavors. Bert Grant...eat your heart out. "Perfect Porter" my ass...

This is an amazing porter, besting many stouts. Very pleasantly surprised by this, and I would highly recommend it to my porter loving friends. The drinkability is amazing. I could easily put away 3 of these 17 oz bottles back without noticing. Complex, yet extremely satisfying without fatigue on the tastebuds. My last gulp was as good or better than the last. Wow. (1,160 characters)

Photo of sulldaddy
4.14/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I am drinking a 1997 vintage bottle. Room temp and in a snifter. The beer pours a pitch black color with a small tan head foams up a little even with a vigorous pour. The head fades quickly to an edge layer and then disappears completely within 2 minutes.
Aroma is chocolate and caramel with a light pine hop scent surprisingly coming through. SMooth creamy texture and average body are present in this brew. Very light and gentle carbonation, almost non-existent. Flavor is chocolate and roasted malts with some brown sugar sweetness appearing. the beer is silky smooth and very easy to drink. Not sure about other years, but this one is quite tasty. try this year 1997 or others. (682 characters)

Photo of Todd
4.94/5  rDev +19.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Presentation: 8.82fl.oz. cute little brown bottle. "årgång 1997" states that it's their '97 vintage. "stark" is strong.

Appearance: Deep, dark brown/ruby red. Head pours weak at first with large bubbles, then it creates a 1/4" cream lace under the same. It dissipates to a patchy, creamy off-white lace. A gentle swirl will induce a more creamy head.

Smell: One of the best aromas that I have ever come across. Big malt aromas of dark fruits and sweet raw malts, touch of caramel malt, black liquorice, oak and vanilla. Esters and oxidation are noted. Very rich and complex nose.

Taste: Sweet malt profile of caramel (faint diacetyl/butter flavours), grape-like flavours, light molasses and chocolate. No real "roasted" type flavours, which makes it a very traditional Porter, however you can just pick up a faint smoked malt flavour. Body is medium to full, mouthfeel is a bit chewy and luscious. Towards the end you can taste some oxidation and cherry/oak notes, a by-product of its age. Finishes slighty dry and bready, with notes of grain husk and chocolate residuals.

Notes: This vintage has probably reached its peak, though I'd be interested in tasting it again in a few years. It's an amazing example of the style and ripe for the tasting. I implore everyone to try this magnificent Swedish beer. (1,318 characters)

Photo of bobsy
4.27/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle from Tucker's Maltings. Drank in a caravan.

Pours a deep mahogany with a finger of tan head that soon dissipates to a thin and patchy film. Only a few spots of lace are left behind. The nose has an extremely enticing mix of chocolate, roasted malt and very strong and sweet dark fruit. Once the beer is tasted it reveals a large treacle character, which is more than likely the result if waves of raisin, chocolate and brown sugar melding together. This is accompanied by a light coffee roast and moderate bitterness. Smooth, almost creamy mouthfeel with a hint of alcohol in the tail. This beer drinks bigger than it is, which is a great feat for a lower ABV Baltic porter, and probably makes it one of the few that could be sessioned. (744 characters)

Photo of KTCamm
4.11/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Spotted at the Morton Williams in NYC. 500 ml (or so) bottle. Poured into a pint glass. 2004 vintage as identified on the bottle.

Pours jet black with low white foam. Jet black, compltely blocks out the light.

Very minor roasted smell.

Lightly sweet chocolate taste, some roasting in there. Hints of minor fruits - plums, raisins, etc. Dry finish. Oddly full in the mouthfeel, but watery at time as well. But very smooth. Notes of coffee taste.

A very well made porter, good drinkability. (493 characters)

Photo of CRJMellor
4.22/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours black with red highlights, thin light tan head with very minor lace.
Aroma of chocolate, brown sugar, roasted malt, some butterscotch, peat and a wheat bread note.
Flavor of heavy chocolate, some smoky roasted malt and a yeasty quality and very minor herbal bitterness.
Mouthfeel is semi-sweet moving to a very sweet and somewhat vinous middle that is cut short by a relatively tasteless bitterness.
Drinkability is very high. Probably defines the style as well as any beer. (484 characters)

Photo of NJpadreFan
3.95/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

D. Carnegie & Co. Argang 2001

My first Swedish beer!

appearance- Dark red/ black with a nice creamy tan head.

smell- Coffee!

taste- smooth coffee and a light chocolate flavor.

mouthfeel- a hint of alcohol and a slight bitterness.

overall- a nice porter that goes down well. Simple review- beer wasn't too complex. (331 characters)

Photo of kmpitz2
4.3/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

1997 vintage.

Pours a deep brown to black color with no head over top. Not even a puff when the cap was popped. The nose is light fig, and soy sauce. A very nice combination. I'd like a little more force in there, but I can live with it. The flavor is nice. Mellowed chocolate covered fig, touched with a soy, but not biting, flavor. Almost a light smokeyness in there as well. No hint of oxidation. Incredibly tasty. The feel is a light moderate, with no carbonation. Overall, an incredibly drinkable brew. Easily a session beer for me. I'm sad this is the only one I have. (577 characters)

Photo of dsa7783
4/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Single, 1 Pint, .9 fl oz bottle copped from Livingston for $4.99...
Pours a deep, dark, chocolate-brown color with a modest head that soon receded and left a copious amount of lacing around the head of the glass...
Thick, rich, creamy, malt aroma with obvious cocoa powder and chocolate nuances...
Taste was creamy and heavy on the malts, with a noticeable presence of dehydrated malts, dark latte, mocha, and bittersweet chocolate nuances...
Creamy, thick mouthfeel with a slightly bittersweet finish...
Certainly not the sweetest or best Baltic Porter I've sampled, but a solid serving nonetheless...
Easily drinkable, without any cloying factors and a good level of drinkability due to the modest 5.5% ABV...
Worth a try... (726 characters)

Photo of matjack85
4.88/5  rDev +18.2%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

I never had a Sweedish beer before so I almost balked at picking this one up when I saw the $5.19 price tag for a single 16.9 oz bottle, plus the beer was dated 2001 and this was already Sept. of 2006, so I didn't know how well it had held up and wondered why no one was buying it.

It poured a dark brown color and left just a 1 finger creamy tan head that soon disappeared to just a tan ring on top producing just a minimal of lacing. Nothing exceptional about the pour or appearance.

The smell however was a different story. This beer had an incredibly good aroma. It was an intoxicating mix of roasted malt, coffee, and chocolate. It smelled absolutely delicious.

The taste was more of the same. It had a creamy mouthfeel due in part to the low carbonation and tasted like creamy coffee layered with chocolate and roasted malts. There was no bitterness to it at all. Many beers with coffee tastes have a bitter coffee flavor to them and some chocolate flavors are more like bittersweet dark chocolate than sweet chocoalte, but this beer is all mild roasted coffee and sweet milk chocolate, yet it is a pleasant subtle sweetness rather than sugary sweet and I absolutely loved it. Like drinking a cold chocolate flavored coffee.
There was a trace of alcohol in the aftertaste, but it wasn't anyhting that detracted from the overall experience.

At just 5.5% abv I could drink these all night, and when a beer is this good, you don't mind spending $5.19 a bottle. (1,476 characters)

Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
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