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Disputin - Brouwerij De Molen

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Reviews: 165
Hads: 380
rAvg: 3.86
pDev: 13.99%
Wants: 40
Gots: 106 | FT: 5
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Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
Russian Imperial Stout |  10.70% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: ChainGangGuy on 03-30-2008

Formerly named "Rasputin," this beer is now labeled as "Disputin" due to a dispute with North Coast over the name. Also has been called "Cease & Desist".
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Photo of bdkucharski
2.16/5  rDev -44%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Purchased a bottle (marked as 'cease & desist') on recommendation by store staff.

I wish I had read many of these other reviews first, as I would have gotten some warning about the potential for a gusher.

A - Black/Brown. Very foamy, it was all I could do to get this into a glass without it ending up all over the counter. So, thumbs up on the head retention.

S - Sweet and funky, not sure what kind of yeast they are using but it probably has something to do with the funk.

T - Sweet with a bit of roast then full-on funk and metallic. This beer has potential, but not being a fan Belgians and wilds, this comes across to me as infection vs. an intended effect.

M - Not too thick, not too thin, though it was difficult to get a good feel with the crazy carbonation until I let it warm to room temp.

O - I would not recommend this beer unless you are of the VERY adventurous type, especially considering the steep price tag ($10). I could definitely taste that this beer had potential at some point in the process, but I find the statement that this beer will be good for up to 25 years is laughable from my perspective. Thumbs down! (1,140 characters)

Photo of Gfunk720
2.17/5  rDev -43.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 2

Bottle 678, out of my 3Floyds glass.

A- Something not right here. This beer looks like a flat old ale. Brownish red, hints of black, but no RIS. No head, not even bubbles.

S- Sweet, with hints of dark fruits. Doesn't really have any of those other typical RIS smells. Some brandy notes and booze.

T- Wierd. This tastes like an uncarbed batch of homebrew when ready for bottling. Tastes really sweet and fresh for a bottle from 2009.

M- Flat, and the flavor really doesn't work. The body was alright, but was a bit cloying.

O- I don't know if this beer just never carbed up, or what. It wasn't infected, but just tasted really odd. Definitely not like any other RIS I've had.

-GFunk (688 characters)

Photo of rudzud
2.19/5  rDev -43.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.75 | overall: 2

Picked this up at Julio's years ago and shared at a party at JLindros's place. Poured into a Kate the Great snifter. Reviewed from notes. 2009 Vintage

A - Poured a dark dark oily brown with a thin wispy head that fades very quickly to leave next to nothing.

S - Aromas of big, bold oxidation. Chocolate covered raisins, cardboard. Quite disappointing.

T - Taste is old, tired malts, oxidation, chocolate, vanilla, cardboard, chalk. Oof.

M - Mouthfeel is super thin and oily. Incredibly unpleasant and boozy.

O - Overall, I think I waited a year or two too long on this bottle. Big letdown. (595 characters)

Photo of Ryan011235
2.32/5  rDev -39.9%
look: 3 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.25

Poured into a Darkness tulip on 7/1/12

I can't remember was with me when I opened it. Seth had to be there because I was using his glass. Chris might have been there, too.

Brewed on 11 January 2009. Bottled on 16 February 2009. Bottle number 134.

A) On the pour this is surprisingly light brown in color. That said, it does end up rather dark in the glass. The head rises to close to three fingers; this is all rocky, porous foam. However, almost all of it dissipates leaving a soapy layer of retention and some sporadic trails of lace.

S) The aroma is disarmingly thin and timid. Oxidation permeates the entire aroma. Lots of dark fruits, too. Raisins and prunes. Sweet, but not overly sugary.

T) The flavor is even more fruity and heavy on raisins (twangy raisins no less). Too much on the side of tangy, sugary fruits. Roast and burnt notes are basically nonexistent.

M) Medium body. The feel is very smooth and moderately slick. Carbonation is tilted toward the lower side. Some sugary residuals.

D) Though this is not entirely bad or unenjoyable, it is simply not impressive. I wouldn't be inclined to get it again. (1,134 characters)

Photo of Crittervision
2.35/5  rDev -39.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Consumed 13 April 2011. Didn't note the batch, but from a "Rasputin" bottle, 174/960. 

Reddish hints on a muddy body. Tan head. Way over-carbonated. The sink enjoyed a few ounces. 

Cocoa nib bitterness with a little chocolate sweetness. Sounds quite nice except for the metallic bit that is too obvious to ignore. 

Tastes of metallic, bitter coffee, bitter baked grains, and no sweetness. With warmth, chocolate and a nicer coffee come through — sans the metal and brash bitterness. 

Quite prickly and on the thin side, with champagne-like carbonation. Very much what I don't enjoy in an imperial stout. Warmth brings a nice velvety texture, but it remains thin and slightly prickly. 

Not a stellar example of the style.  (734 characters)

Photo of Lukie
2.38/5  rDev -38.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

2009, bottled February.

After losing half the bottle to gushing, the beer poured out an off-black, heavy brown, murky mud like colour, with a brown rocky head which slowly waned into about an inch of thick coffee like foam.

Only really get mollasses from the aroma, with some slight dark sour fruits. Hints of bitter chocolate.

Sweet, almost syrupy fruit flavours. This is the biggest RIS I have ever come across, and I don't think I was ready for it. Out the window with those roasty flavours, this is like drinking sugary syrup. Little bits of roasty chocolate come through at the end, but that syrupy taste just lingers.

I'll have to go against the norm here. I think this needs A LOT of time on it. Way to syrupy at the moment, ridiculously sweet, and the fact that it gushed really pissed me off.

I have another bottle (bottle #04, this was #14) in the beer cellar. I'll give it 25 years before I come back to it. (923 characters)

Photo of billshmeinke
2.48/5  rDev -35.8%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1 | overall: 1.5

Pours... Like a beer with no carbonation. Pitch black.

Smells of bakers chocolate licorice dark fruits and sherry.

Tastes follows smell only dark fruits take more of a front seat. Tastes very sherry like. Kinda like it was aged a long time before release.

Mouthfeel is thin and watery. Complete absence of carbonation sucks.

It's ok. Could have been good, but the mouthfeel completely ruins it for me. (405 characters)

Photo of Jeffo
2.52/5  rDev -34.7%
look: 2 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

In Europe this beer is Rasputin, just like the brewer intended. People are allowed to name their beers what they want here.

This is also a re-review. My first review was from 2009 and I scored it a 2.7. I was never a big fan of this beer, but since so many things have changed at De Molen, as well as my palate, I thought I'd give it another go.

From a bottle into a snifter
Bottled 15 June 2011
Drunk next to a Hel & Verdoemenis

APPEARANCE: A clear, light brown pour yields a two finger, medium looking, fluffy, cream colored off-white head with great retention. Bistre brown body, relatively transparent, with higher levels of carbonation evident. Head slowly fades to a good wisp and foamy cap, clinging to the sides of the glass. A splotchy wisp remains and leaves some dots of lacing down the glass. Simply too light and transparent. Looks like a stout lite.

SMELL: Milder nose of roasted malts, caramel malts, and some floral and grassy hops. A touch of smoke as well. This one is quite hop forward and is missing the roasted malt backbone that this style needs. It’s also simply too mild.

TASTE: Milder flavors up front as well, as expected. Touches of roasted and caramel malts up front with a relatively hoppy finish. Floral, grassy and pine notes at the swallow and a good dose of bitterness as well. Bold and lingering aftertaste is plenty bitter with enough pine, and some caramel and lighter smoky notes. The flavors come out after the swallow and are bolder than I’d expected, but there’s not much imperial stout here that I like. It’s missing that roasted and chocolaty foundation that is so paramount to the style.

PALATE: Medium body and medium carbonation. Semi creamy on the palate, a little light unfortunately, but goes down fine and finishes slightly dry. Decent here.

OVERALL: Yup, dislike it just as much as last time. This is not my beer. It's not that it's poorly made or anything, it's just not my thing. Underwhelming, and much too hop forward for my tastes. I really missed the big, roasted, cocoa and chocolaty flavors that are so good in this style. It is also very thin and transparent in the look. Compared to the Hel & Verdoemenis, this one was the clear and undisputed loser. Will probably pass on this one every time from now on. Bleh... (2,294 characters)

Photo of changdulla
2.72/5  rDev -29.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75

What disgusting bottle of dogshit. This is one of the most disappointing beer I've ever had. It taste old and stale to me. Lots of nasty floaties that I'm not used to in a stout. Drain pour. (190 characters)

Photo of hoegaardenhero
2.76/5  rDev -28.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

a: this beer pours a very deep red/brown with very notable red highlights. no head, just a ring of light bubbles around the top of the glass.

s: sweet and raisiny; stings the back of the nostrils with alcohol; prunes; very mild sweet chocolate; maybe a little bit of vanilla; actually quite nice and strong sweet blend of dark fruits, chocolate, and booze;

t: very tangy/sharp/sour and maybe a little fungal? i get some raisiny sweetness but almost no coffee or chocolate flavors/may be an off bottle?

m: tight refined bubbles, which i am enjoying and keeps it from bing too cloying for the style; pretty light body for the style, which i am kind of digging -

d: this is a really disappointing beer to me - taste is strange and not at all balanced. i actually ended up pouring the last half down the drain, which i almost never do b/c i am a cheap bastard. (863 characters)

Photo of Tom_Gilman
2.87/5  rDev -25.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Served on draft in chalice. Only the color and ABV representative of the style. Tastes like a concentrated Doppelbock with a bit of acid tanginess. Plum, raisin, tamarind flavors and overwhelming malt sweetness. A boozy mess with no balance or finesse. (252 characters)

Photo of sweemzander
2.95/5  rDev -23.6%
look: 5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Cease & Desist Bottle.
11.2oz waxed topped poured into a snifter. Bottle #1466 of 1584.

(A)- Pours a pitch black color. Produced a giant 3+ finger fluffy head with amazing retention considering the ABV. Some lace.

(S)- Some rich baked bread and roasty qualities. Bits of raisin. Very subtle bits of yeast and a tartness.

(T)- Again, a nice roasted/baked bread component. Some almost tart/metallic dark fruits in there with raisin, molasses, and cocoa too.

(M)- Plenty of carbonation for the style, if not a bit too much actually. Not sure of an infection too, but there is definitely a subtle level of sourness to it. Bitter, but mildly sweet too.

(D)- Not sure about this one or not. With that sourness factor, I have doubts as to whether or not there is an infection or if that is an intentional aspect of the beer. Sure looked sexy though. (847 characters)

Photo of charlzm
2.98/5  rDev -22.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3

Consumed January 27th 2014 from an 11.2 oz capped bottle labeled "13 /09/12". Beer label is Cease & Desist, not Disputin. Poured into a Klokke Roeland goblet.

The beer is much lighter than expected for a Russian Imperial Stout: more deep brown than the standard black. A 3 finger tan head sits atop the beer at first pour, but soon settles down to a mere thin skin of foam. No sheeting that sticks longer than a few moments.

Aroma is strange for an RIS, too; instead of the usual aromas, this has a bit of a metallic scent complemented by a sweet malt note. No sign of the usual coffee or chocolate.

Flavor has an unfortunate sour, metallic note. Some darkly roasted malt is apparent in the flavor; probably the chocolate malt. Somewhat acidic. Finish is slightly warming and moderately bitter. Did they use champagne yeast to ferment this?

A little bit thick (emphasis on little) and certainly warming in the mouth.

I have home brewed an Imperial Stout that was as good as this one and that is not bragging. Maybe the 16 month age was more than this brew could stand? (1,074 characters)

Photo of MarcWP
2.98/5  rDev -22.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.75

2012 vintage.

Dark brown with small head.

I usually give a decent length review but this beer isn't even worth it. A $10 12 ounce bottle of sweet malt with little roast or hops to help balance this beer. Another huge reason I avoid over priced imports like this. De Molen is rarely up to par on quality for the price of their beers. Not recommended. (351 characters)

Photo of bobhits
3.02/5  rDev -21.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 3

L. Reddish hue, very thin looking, an marginal head at best. This is NOT a Russian imperial stout's look it isn't even close.
S. Hints of coffee, bakers chocolate, and a good bit of molasses sugar aroma. There however isn't nearly enough roasted malt here. The overall balance is very sweet and sugary to the point that I question the style claims here as well.
T. Cease & Desist is much more of a strong dark Belgian ale with a poorly done spice flavor than a stout. Once you accept this bait and switch it is a rather nice little beer. Dark fruits give this beer's sugary flavor. Raisins, figs, and perhaps some partially fermented apple. There's a bit of coffee finish and a hint of hop profile.
M. Watery for a 10% beer, very. There is still a nice bit of alcohol bite in here as well.
O. Cease & Desist seems to me a lot like a Belgian quad with a lot of Belgian yeast with a hint of coffee in the finish. Very very drinkable beer given the high abv. It is a nice change of pace but hardly something i'll seek out again given the high price tag. (1,053 characters)

Photo of mverity
3.09/5  rDev -19.9%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3

Deep, watery chocolate brown with the thinnest tan head that faded immediately. No lacing, no legs. Aroma is deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, and some slightly burnt molasses. Taste was much like the aroma: almost a mix between an English stout and a bad barleywine. Mouthfeel is very thin. Light body and low carbonation. (331 characters)

Photo of SalMineo
3.1/5  rDev -19.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

I don't know if I got an old bottle but this seemed more like a Barley Wine than an Imperial Stout. When I poured it had almost no head and just sat there.

The smell and taste had that exactly of a barley wine which needless to say isn't my favorite beer out there. I think I was more upset at the outrageous price tag of $25.00 and the delivery of a barley wine style ale than an Imperial Stout. (397 characters)

Photo of harrymel
3.27/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Cease and Desist
Brewed 18JUL10
Bottled 27AUG10
OG:1099; FG 1020; ABV 10.5%
Bottle 1491/1584

The ale while in bottle was easily translucent at the neck, and most of the body. I cracked and left for a good 45 minutes, allowing to warm to appropriate temp. The beer had a worm out the neck and a small ring of beer at the base. When poured, the beer required two pours separated by a good five minutes, to allow for head to fall and allow for room. The beer is dark brown, upwards of 3.5 fingers of mocha foam falls to a solid sheet of the same. Nearly no lace.

Extra roasted malts and sweet tones on the nose. A really nice nose for a RIS, IMO. I like the stone fruits mixed with a good amount of brown sugar and caramel with some praline mixed in and a good hit of natural vanilla notes.

The flavor feels a bitter notch before the sweet notes come through, but in combination with the bitterness, there is a fine, coffee character to this beer I've not previously experienced. I like it, but I'm also a bit taken back as it is so profound, it takes from the beer aspect in here. Points off for that.

Middle of the road body with moderate hi carb and a semi dry finish. Still warm with 18 months age on it.

A decent enough beer, but not one I would seek out twice. This appears to be made in small batches and I would not be one to want to spend the cash this would likely demand in the circumstance. It was nice to try though. (1,433 characters)

Photo of SteelersX
3.27/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

A gusher on opening so i thought it may be infected.

so much carbonation that it took a while to pour the beer and let all the foam settle. probably about 5 minutes just to pour a glass

Very intensly strong roast flavor.
Unlike any beer I have had up to this date. Thin in body because of the carbonation maybe
No sign of infection in the flavor but maybe a touch of acetone.

after my palate adjusted, the next couple sips were more enjoyable.

This would go good with a strong flavored fatty food. I had it with boiled and roasted pig tails and it was a pretty good pairing. It was the carbonation that made this pairing work.

I have another bottle to age but i'm afraid it may burst because of the extreme pressure in the bottle. (736 characters)

Photo of beerdrifter
3.29/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

Picked this up at the beer store at Brouwerij De Molen with a bottling date of 27 July 2011. Dark brown, nearly black pour with a two finger caramel colored head with decent retention and lacing. The nose is much sweeter than expected with not a lot of roast or chocolate, hints of caramel, toffee, and brown sugar. The taste follows suit. Way sweeter than the typical De Molen offerings with hints of vanilla, molasses, toasted malt, dark fruit, and a touch of coffee. The body is very thin and somewhat syrupy and cloying with minimal carbonation. Overall, the most disappointing offering I've ever had from De Molen. Very hard to drink due to the syrupy sweetness. (667 characters)

Photo of PartyBear
3.3/5  rDev -14.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Brewed in January 09, and bottled February 09.

Appearance: Pitch black in colour with a small creamy tan head, and no visible.

Aroma: Lots of sweet malts upfront, heavy caramel, and lots of chocolate.

Taste: There is a hell of a lot of sugar in the initial taste, with sticky toffee and more chocolate. The finish is dominated by alcohol.

Mouthfeel: Medium body, with a slick and oily texture.

As soon as I tried this I knew that it was a beer that needed to be matured. The flavours are too sweet and slightly cloying. I have another bottle in my cellar and I intend to give it a least 5 years before I open it. (621 characters)

Photo of SStein
3.34/5  rDev -13.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Pours a nice dark, deep brown with slight khaki lacing, which disappears quickly. There is very little carbonation. The nose is of coffee and wheat. The wheat reminds me of Fat Tire. The taste is slightly of coffee, mixed with a sour wheat taste. As I drink it, it is very thin, much thinner than I prefer for this style. As a RIS I find this beer lacking, as a dark wheat beer, it's not too bad. (396 characters)

Photo of Bierguy5
3.37/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

750 ml., 10.1% ABV. Dark chestnut color, with a thin tan head that disappears quickly.

Some fruit up front, with a hint of chocolate in the back. Some earthy hops seem to finish off the nose.

Starts off with a faint hint of chocolate. An earthy herbal presence comes in next, and completely takes over. Maybe a bit of a yeasty character also. Sweet finish.

Some warming from the alcohol. Medium body, lower carbonation. Not bad, but the herbal presence turns me away from this one. (485 characters)

Photo of thepeter
3.4/5  rDev -11.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured a very dark brown not as dark as most. Fluffy, off white head that left decent lacing but not too much. Smelled of roast malt bit of coffee and booze. Tastes very similar, maybe some Cocoa in there as well and not as much alcohol in the taste. Not overly complex. A bit lighter on the palate than expected and very easy to drink, not one that I would need to sip even if I should. This was good but not overly impressive. Lot's of great stouts out there to compete against. (480 characters)

Photo of scottfrie
3.41/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml bottled 17 March 2009. Bottle #564. Reviewed from notes (I thought I entered a long time ago).

A: The cork came out with barley a pop and the beer pours a flat deep brown with maybe 3 or 4 bubbles of ‘head’ that left a few dots of lacing down the glass. Highly unimpressive.
S: Rich notes of raisin, black licorice and caramel with hints of chocolate, red grapes and a touch of alcohol vapor.
T: Follows the nose with big notes of raisins, cocoa nibs and coffee. I get hints of dates, sweet prunes, and an almost berry-like sweetness. The aftertaste is full of chocolate and coffee.
M: Despite being damn near completely flat, I’ve had beer that feels worse. The body goes down thin, but there is actually a bit of chewiness to the mouthfeel.
O: If this had some carbonation to it I would put this is the A to A+ range. I loved the flavors. (857 characters)

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Disputin from Brouwerij De Molen
87 out of 100 based on 165 ratings.