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Donder & Bliksem - Brouwerij De Molen

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Donder & BliksemDonder & Bliksem

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very good

41 Ratings
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Ratings: 41
Reviews: 21
rAvg: 3.79
pDev: 15.3%
Wants: 2
Gots: 5 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
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Style | ABV
Dubbel |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: ccrida on 06-28-2008)
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Photo of AdvocateFan
4.47/5  rDev +17.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A real gem among aged beers (2007 vintage.) Underrated in my view at the time of this review.

To settle some confusion, the version of this beer that is distributed in the US is NOT a golden/pilsner-style beer. It is a dark, malt bomb that fits somewhere in the range of Abbey Dubbel, English Barleywine and Old Ale (when aged.) My sample is from 2007 and is approx. 3 years old at the time of this review. Donder & Bliksem refers not to one of Santa's sleigh-toting pals, but to thunder and lightning. Pours a tawny, chestnut hue capped by a faint tan head of immortal persistence. It certainly presents with a thunderous pronouncement of the might of malted barley--huge malt bomb on the nose. Notes of raisins & rum cake, alcohol, maple syrup & brown sugar, caramel-coated apple and a hint of walnut. Summed up, this is rich, syrupy bliss on the nose! The beer goes down much less sweet than the nose would suggest, resulting in an almost Abbey-style Dubbel flavor profile, but less dry, less spicy, and still richly malty without an overwhelming sweetness. There are also some spikes of orange-flavored chocolate, pumpernickel dough, nectarines and prunes, as well as overripe red apple skins, all offset slightly by a walnut-like drying quality. Being a vintage ale (it was about 3 years old at the time this review was conducted), it has some oxidation notes, but these work nicely in the beer as it has mellowed out and really come together very nicely. In this regard, expect elements of Old Ale showing up in the flavor profile--and these are perhaps the most elegant of the lot. A subtle, late-breaking acidity is perhaps the hallmark feature along that style's plane of reference. It breathes a faint smokiness in the fade, along with a gentle tingle in the throat at full warmth. And yet, it's a bit like a well-aged English-style barleywine with its warming richness (just a bit light on hops to fit neatly into that style category, though the Premiant and Saaz hops do shine through in subtle manner with a slight aromatic bite in the finish.) But why bother trying to fit this beer into a defined style--it truly defies categorization. And what a beautiful beer this is--refined, distinguished, and wise with all the age on it. Powerful and complex. The sample I got was a truly exciting beer. The subtlety may pass some by, but in my view, this is a world class vintage beer, and one of those beers I'll never forget.

AdvocateFan, Mar 23, 2010
Photo of drpimento
4.43/5  rDev +16.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Hm, the chermens had better keep an eye out and step up to recognise this serious threat to one of their classic brews reputation of quality. Poured with a very nice light tan thick foamy frothy head that lasts and lots of lace. Color is a very lovely clear dark cherry wood. Nose is malt fruit yeast and a bit roast. Flavor is like flavor and more of it. Body is excellent: soft round, but not too & with excellent carbonation. Finish is very good- not too sweet but plenty of flavor and character to keep this beer commanding my interest. Finish is of short to medium length. Outstanding beer and a session, no question.

drpimento, Jun 16, 2010
Photo of mwilbur
4.38/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from 750 mL bottle into NBB snifter.
A: Pours a nice cloudy, murky brown with hint of red around the edges with backlighting. 1-2 inch tan head forms and fairly quickly recedes, but leaves a permanent razor thin skim on top.
S: Sweet caramel malt predominates with an earthy mineral and nutty notes in the background.
T: Rye, caraway, and other pungent grains come through initially. This hangs on the caramel malt backbone. Maple syrup, mild molasses, and mild cedar-aged cigar notes come through with minimal warming. With more warming, a smokey note emerges.
M: Soft, creamy, and full feel. Coats the entire mouth and settles in lightly on the palate. Matures a little there...just enough to keep it interesting. Very mild sugary sweet aftertaste...with warming this turns toward a creamy sweet milk finish.
D: Very, very drinkable...especially for an 8.2% ABV. This is not your typical dubbel (more a mash-up of an english brown, old ale, and dubbel), but in a good way. It isn't as sugary or spiced. And even though it retains a good complexity, it doesn't have a heavy feel. An excellent aged (not sure if this is 2007 or 2008 vintage) brew. A real treat served best on its own.

mwilbur, May 04, 2010
Photo of ccrida
4.33/5  rDev +14.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

"Hand-Crafted Double Dutch Ale. 28.7 EBU, Premiant and Saaz Hops, EBC 105."
750ml bottle, caged and cork labeled (dated?) 2.007.
The picture of Zeus holding a hammer and lightening bolt matches the translation to Thunder & Lightening that I found cited with over references to the beer, but both RateBeer and The Cracked Kettle refer to a Czech Pils of the same name, which this definitely is not. Beyond what it says on the label, it's pretty clearly an abbey style Dubbel. Poured into my Meantime snifter, color is a murky garnet brown, with a large, medium bubbled tan head that leaves foamy lace.

Smell is a touch sweet, though less-so as it warms, with cocoa, caramel and vanilla, and a bit boozy.

Taste is not as sweet, spicy yeast, chocolaty, slight phenols and clean alcohol. Damn good, a bit richer and more chocolate then most,very nice.

Mouthfeel is carbonated and crisp, medium body

Drinkability is pretty good, a very solid dubbel, my first from the brewery, they're off to a good start in my book! This is a lot like Rochefort 8, but smoother and easier drinking.

ccrida, Jun 28, 2008
Photo of Patrick999
4.28/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Well, this is quite the interesting beast. I was hoping my cork would offer some clue as to how old this bottle is, but there was nothing to be found etched on the cork when I pulled it. It has to be either 2007 or 2008, I think.

Poured into a Westmalle chalice, the limp, slightly murky brown liquid doesn't exactly do the stately glass justice. Oh well. I'll give a low score here, but I'm guessing the subsequent categories will offer enough to average out to a decent grade.

Yum. I like beers that smell like this. I'm definitely pulling Old Ale-like aromas here - overripe grape, rum, molasses, fudge. It smells like a big tasty malt bomb.

Yet, the actual taste is more complicated than that. I'm finding this really difficult to describe....I get the rum raisin flavors of a dubbel, but there's also unsweetened chocolate, pipe tobacco, molasses and black licorice. As if that wasn't enough, there's a pervasive, but not overbearing, vinous acidity throughout. Interesting. To me, it skews closer to an Old Ale than to a dubbel, but it has some of the characteristics of both. It's got a lot going on, and somehow the flavors manage to meld pretty well and not get in the way of one another. Tasty.

Feel is a little limp, with carbonation that I'd classify as light-to-moderate. This is fine....I'm not sure this would be as good if the carbonation was even just a little higher. As it stands, it has good creaminess, and the flavors are allowed to really coat the tongue.

As for drinkability, this is much more drinkable than I thought it might be. Even at 8+%, the alcohol doesn't seem to be much of a factor, and the carbonation on the light side of moderate helps it slide down with more ease than it otherwise would. Also, even though it's highly flavorful, that it's not overly sweet helps guard against the possibility of flavor fatigue.

All in all, a worthy beer if you like Old Ales and Dubbels, and are feeling a bit adventurous. However, I bet a fairly large cross-section of beer geeks would find something to like about this beer.

Patrick999, Jul 02, 2010
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4.25/5  rDev +12.1%

Bryn, Dec 12, 2012
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4.25/5  rDev +12.1%

dragnalus, Aug 20, 2012
Photo of Beerenauslese
4.2/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a translucent dark reddish brown, with an ample head that dissipates to a ring of foam, leaving no lacing.

There is a lot going on in the nose. Smells sour and sweet. Flemish sour red ale notes with some funk and vegetal smells, brown sugar and preserved prunes/dark cherries.

Sour cherries and acetic acids up front, then some strong bitter coffee and milk chocolate notes. A little cola taste in the finish.

Body is medium and carbonation is just enough to give it a lightly creamy mouthfeel.

This is a good, interesting beer, one that is hard to classify in style, something of a cross between a Flemish red and an abbey double. Or it could be a version of a double bok--it has the maltiness for that too. Or maybe it is just thunder and lightning. Whatever, I am enjoying the bottle. Cheers to Menno.

Beerenauslese, Jun 12, 2010
Photo of RixBeer
4.08/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Is that really Zues on the bottle? Looks way to happy to be a greek god. Anyhoot.

Pours a thick dark dark amber & prune color with a 2 finger off white head.

Nice aroma of cocoa, caramel, biscuity and has nice undertones of chocolate.

Very smooth. I like, I like. ok hear it goes...cocoa, hints of melted caramel notes of chocolate but a little boozy. Lots of flavors pop out in the after taste.

Nice body. fairly medium all around.

Easily drunk by all.

RixBeer, Aug 06, 2008
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

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4/5  rDev +5.5%

Telestic, Dec 23, 2011
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

djcira, Feb 19, 2012
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

mitlinks, Feb 03, 2013
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

Morningstorm, Aug 27, 2012
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

ElGallo, Nov 22, 2011
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

JAHMUR, Nov 18, 2011
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4/5  rDev +5.5%

t0rin0, Sep 02, 2012
Photo of paigertx
3.98/5  rDev +5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Enjoyed a 750ml corked bottle from the beer of the month club out of Lake Forest, CA. Smell is very leading into the sour initial taste and mouthfeel continues with a bit of a chalky sour apple texture. Shockingly increases in flavor as the bottle breathes and tongue recognizes the uniquesness of this complex brew. Drinkability doesn't feel comfortable at the beginning but comes around with the mouthfeel. Give it a shot if you can find it, I will do it again.

paigertx, Jun 09, 2010
Photo of metter98
3.98/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is very dark amber-brown in color. Although it only has a thin layer of bubbles in the head, there is a good amount of head retention, which gradually fades into nice lacing patterns.
S: There is a very strong aroma of caramel and lots of sweetness. There are also smells reminiscent of an English barleywine with notes of raisins and brown sugar.
T: There's a bit of overall sweetness in the taste, which has flavors of malty sweetness, but is much more subdued compared to the aroma.
M: It feels medium-bodied and smooth on the palate. The finish leaves a little dryness and some alcohol warmth.
D: The alcohol is very well masked so this is rather drinkable. I would definitely try this again--it's a unique "hybrid" beer that shares characteristics of a dubbel and an English barleywine.

metter98, May 14, 2010
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3.98/5  rDev +5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330ml bottle poured into tulip 30/9/12

A slightly hazy amber with a nice tight tan finger of foam that hangs around long enough to leave a couple partial rings of lace

S caramel and toffee, bready malt, floral notes, honey and a little hay, smells like an EIPA or a strong Pilsner with a butterscotch twist

T much like the nose, reminds me of an English ale with some Czech lager, I rather like it but a Dubble? I think not. Biscuit and butterscotch with some grassy floral hops, rather interesting

M on the heavy side of medium, nice carbonation with dry cereal on the finish, slightly sticky on the lips

O not at all what I was expecting, I thought this was a Winter Warmer named after Santa’s Reindeer, solid stuff whatever it is

I was expecting spices and got English malt with Czech hops? I don’t get much off the label but I liked the beer inside

wordemupg, Oct 02, 2012
Photo of MarvinSnyder
3.93/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Notes from 6-23-10 - poured into a Brewer's Art goblet - 1 pt. 9.4 fl. oz cage corked bottle

Appearance: Pours a murky, chocolate brown. A full, creamy tan head fades to thin. This beer has light lacing that stays close to the head.

Smell: Aroma of sweet roasted malt, raisins, rum alcohol, walnuts, syrup, and brown sugar on the nose.

Taste: Roasted malt sweetness, rye (beer of the month says pumpernickel), chocolate, rum, and syrup. This beer has a dry finish with a nutty aftertaste, and the alcohol provides subtle warmth. Also, it has an element of acidity commonly found in old ales.

Mouthfeel: Low to moderate carbonation. This beer is light and thin over the palate but maintains a creamy feel.

Drinkability: A very drinkable and complex hybrid beer. This beer shares many good characteristics of several beer styles.

Comments: A beer of the month club selection. I am not sure of the vintage. Overall, a good beer that pushes the boundaries of the dubbel style.

MarvinSnyder, Jun 24, 2010
Photo of PhillyStyle
3.9/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 750ml corked bottle (dated 2.007?) into a mug (purchased at Green's on Buford, $14.99).

A: Poured a hazy brown with an moderatly thick, more than 2 finger pour, thanks to the carbonation, off-white/light brown head that dissolved fairly quickly. A thin layer of the head stayed throughout the drink.

S: The aroma was heavy on the malt with some hints of either cocoa or coffe and a slight hint of alcohol.

T: The beer had a good flavor to it. The malt of the dominate flavor, but it is also slighly sweet, with a twinge of alcohol and hops.

M/D: The beer was fairly rich and creamy with a more than fair amount of carbonation, but certainly not in a bad way. The aftertaste was bitter and slighly off-putting. Overall, a very good beer and one that I will buy again.

PhillyStyle, Jun 30, 2008
Photo of realmpel
3.9/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a nice dubbel, alive with butterscotch and raising flavors. Pours a nice chestnut brown with a thick head which lingereth on the side of the glass. This beer warms up nicely; give it time.

Not a complex beer, but a solid and great tasting dubbel.

realmpel, Jun 01, 2010
Photo of Radome
3.85/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Served from bottle into a goblet.
A - 3.0 - Beer was a cloudy, opaque medium brown. It appeared deep orange when held up to the light. The head was tan colored and made up of thin, fairly large bubbles that looked soap-like.

S - 4.0 - A very nice, rich malt aroma with some roasted notes. There is alcohol in the background along with a sweet, wine-like character. It reminds me of a Russian Imperial Stout smell, but not as aggressive.

T - 4.0 - The taste is very malt-centric. Aside from malt, there is a little chocolate, roast flavor along with some mild hops flavor and even some wood character. There is also a sharp, slightly astringent taste in the finish that is reminiscent of a Flemish brown.

M - 4.0 - Slightly thin body with some mild alcohol burn. Very low carbonation. There is hops bitterness along with an almost vinegar-like astringency which I would guess comes from some wood-aging and souring.

D - 3.5 - This is an enjoyable beer with some characteristics of a Flemish brown, but having more hops and roasted grains than typical for that style.

Radome, Jun 20, 2010
Photo of Mar02x
3.83/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer style wasn't mentioned on the label, so I don't know what to expect.

A - A clear golden beer with a decent white head, that slowly turns into a fluffy cream. The is some nice carbonation bubbles rushing up, always pleasant to see.

S - A real Pilsener smell of yeast and hops, not really in a pleasant way though.

T - Tones of flowers, grain and some pine which bring a bitter taste.

M - A soft to medium carbonation that fits the taste excellent, slightly creamy too.

O - A good ???, type of beer. The complexity is good and the body too. - Now I see it was supposed to be a Double. I never would have guessed it, because of the bright and clear color. Now that I know I can still appreciate it in the same manner though, maybe even more.

Mar02x, Dec 23, 2011
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Donder & Bliksem from Brouwerij De Molen
85 out of 100 based on 41 ratings.