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Donder & Bliksem - Brouwerij De Molen

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BA SCORE
85
very good

43 Ratings
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Ratings: 43
Reviews: 21
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 15.12%
Wants: 2
Gots: 5 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
Dubbel |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: ccrida on 06-28-2008)
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Photo of Sammy
3.65/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

USA version is aImperial pilsner, not a dubbel at all. Premiant and Saaz hops ar primary taste, drying hops, yet balanced not too bitter. Medium plus mouthfeel. A bit of spiciness in smell.Mild lime, like Perrier with better carbonation. Drinkable but a 750 ml. is too much.Decent of-white head.

Photo of t0rin0
4/5  rDev +6.1%

Photo of djrn2
3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

Photo of GRG1313
4/5  rDev +6.1%

Photo of metter98
3.98/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is very dark amber-brown in color. Although it only has a thin layer of bubbles in the head, there is a good amount of head retention, which gradually fades into nice lacing patterns.
S: There is a very strong aroma of caramel and lots of sweetness. There are also smells reminiscent of an English barleywine with notes of raisins and brown sugar.
T: There's a bit of overall sweetness in the taste, which has flavors of malty sweetness, but is much more subdued compared to the aroma.
M: It feels medium-bodied and smooth on the palate. The finish leaves a little dryness and some alcohol warmth.
D: The alcohol is very well masked so this is rather drinkable. I would definitely try this again--it's a unique "hybrid" beer that shares characteristics of a dubbel and an English barleywine.

Photo of olradetbalder
3.25/5  rDev -13.8%

Photo of ygtbsm94
3.5/5  rDev -7.2%

Photo of TMoney2591
3.78/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Served in a St. Bernadus goblet.

The cork reads 2007, indicating some decent age. Wonder what the result is? Well, it certainly does not pour clearly; rather a dark, murky amber-brown that leans toward garnet-ness with the addition of light. A minor amount of off-white bubbles stands in for a head, but not for long. There's a heavy dose of wheat and flour in the nose, like a bakery prepping for some hard-core pasrty-makin'. Not much else, though there may be some walnuts or cashews hidden somewhere on the table. Luckily, there's quite a bit more goin' on in Flavor Country. There, loaves of rye bread are plentiful, walnuts literally grow on trees (...wait...), red apples are on sale, and molasses seems to drip from certain trees at certain times of day. A lovely country, no? Its carbon footprint is of average size, allowing development to continue unabated (though increasing taxes is beginning to slow the rate of development to a much more easily managed level).

Photo of JAHMUR
4/5  rDev +6.1%

Photo of Gavage
3.55/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: pours a cloudy brown color with a short tan head that falls to a spotty surface foam quickly.

Smell: very faint malt and fruit sweetness.

Taste: moderate malty profile with some prunes, red grapes, yeast, hint of pepper, moderate bitterness and a bit of alcohol.

Mouthfeel: medium bodied. Lightly crisp throughout. Short aftertaste here.

Drinkability: slower sipping Dubbel that is decent but not overwhelming. Worth a try.

Photo of afsdan
3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

Photo of glid02
3.75/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle out of the Brick Store cellar shared by a generous soul. 2007 vintage.

Pours a hazy purplish-amber color with a one-finger off-white head. The head recedes into a wispy layer on top leaving light lacing.

Smells of robust medium malts with large amounts of boozy medium and dark fruits - pears, figs, and hints of raisins. Also present are hints of clove and brown sugar.

Tastes similar to how it smells. Moderately sweet medium malt flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by hints of spices. Midway through the sip the flavor profile turns toward fruit - mostly dried figs with hints of syrupy pears. The fruit flavors carry through to a crisp ending.

Mouthfeel is good. It's got a nice thickness with active carbonation.

Drinkability is also good. I had no problems finishing my glass and could have another.

Overall I wasn't a huge fan of this beer as the flavors seemed thinner than they should have been given the aroma and mouthfeel. A decent beer for the style but one not worth seeking out.

Photo of wordemupg
3.98/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330ml bottle poured into tulip 30/9/12

A slightly hazy amber with a nice tight tan finger of foam that hangs around long enough to leave a couple partial rings of lace

S caramel and toffee, bready malt, floral notes, honey and a little hay, smells like an EIPA or a strong Pilsner with a butterscotch twist

T much like the nose, reminds me of an English ale with some Czech lager, I rather like it but a Dubble? I think not. Biscuit and butterscotch with some grassy floral hops, rather interesting

M on the heavy side of medium, nice carbonation with dry cereal on the finish, slightly sticky on the lips

O not at all what I was expecting, I thought this was a Winter Warmer named after Santa’s Reindeer, solid stuff whatever it is

I was expecting spices and got English malt with Czech hops? I don’t get much off the label but I liked the beer inside

Photo of ccrida
4.33/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

"Hand-Crafted Double Dutch Ale. 28.7 EBU, Premiant and Saaz Hops, EBC 105."
750ml bottle, caged and cork labeled (dated?) 2.007.
The picture of Zeus holding a hammer and lightening bolt matches the translation to Thunder & Lightening that I found cited with over references to the beer, but both RateBeer and The Cracked Kettle refer to a Czech Pils of the same name, which this definitely is not. Beyond what it says on the label, it's pretty clearly an abbey style Dubbel. Poured into my Meantime snifter, color is a murky garnet brown, with a large, medium bubbled tan head that leaves foamy lace.

Smell is a touch sweet, though less-so as it warms, with cocoa, caramel and vanilla, and a bit boozy.

Taste is not as sweet, spicy yeast, chocolaty, slight phenols and clean alcohol. Damn good, a bit richer and more chocolate then most,very nice.

Mouthfeel is carbonated and crisp, medium body

Drinkability is pretty good, a very solid dubbel, my first from the brewery, they're off to a good start in my book! This is a lot like Rochefort 8, but smoother and easier drinking.

Photo of RBorsato
3/5  rDev -20.4%

Photo of drpimento
4.43/5  rDev +17.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Hm, the chermens had better keep an eye out and step up to recognise this serious threat to one of their classic brews reputation of quality. Poured with a very nice light tan thick foamy frothy head that lasts and lots of lace. Color is a very lovely clear dark cherry wood. Nose is malt fruit yeast and a bit roast. Flavor is like flavor and more of it. Body is excellent: soft round, but not too & with excellent carbonation. Finish is very good- not too sweet but plenty of flavor and character to keep this beer commanding my interest. Finish is of short to medium length. Outstanding beer and a session, no question.

Photo of smithj4
3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

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3.5/5  rDev -7.2%

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3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

Photo of ElGallo
4/5  rDev +6.1%

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3/5  rDev -20.4%

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3/5  rDev -20.4%

Photo of PhillyStyle
3.9/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 750ml corked bottle (dated 2.007?) into a mug (purchased at Green's on Buford, $14.99).

A: Poured a hazy brown with an moderatly thick, more than 2 finger pour, thanks to the carbonation, off-white/light brown head that dissolved fairly quickly. A thin layer of the head stayed throughout the drink.

S: The aroma was heavy on the malt with some hints of either cocoa or coffe and a slight hint of alcohol.

T: The beer had a good flavor to it. The malt of the dominate flavor, but it is also slighly sweet, with a twinge of alcohol and hops.

M/D: The beer was fairly rich and creamy with a more than fair amount of carbonation, but certainly not in a bad way. The aftertaste was bitter and slighly off-putting. Overall, a very good beer and one that I will buy again.

Photo of Patrick999
4.28/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Well, this is quite the interesting beast. I was hoping my cork would offer some clue as to how old this bottle is, but there was nothing to be found etched on the cork when I pulled it. It has to be either 2007 or 2008, I think.

Poured into a Westmalle chalice, the limp, slightly murky brown liquid doesn't exactly do the stately glass justice. Oh well. I'll give a low score here, but I'm guessing the subsequent categories will offer enough to average out to a decent grade.

Yum. I like beers that smell like this. I'm definitely pulling Old Ale-like aromas here - overripe grape, rum, molasses, fudge. It smells like a big tasty malt bomb.

Yet, the actual taste is more complicated than that. I'm finding this really difficult to describe....I get the rum raisin flavors of a dubbel, but there's also unsweetened chocolate, pipe tobacco, molasses and black licorice. As if that wasn't enough, there's a pervasive, but not overbearing, vinous acidity throughout. Interesting. To me, it skews closer to an Old Ale than to a dubbel, but it has some of the characteristics of both. It's got a lot going on, and somehow the flavors manage to meld pretty well and not get in the way of one another. Tasty.

Feel is a little limp, with carbonation that I'd classify as light-to-moderate. This is fine....I'm not sure this would be as good if the carbonation was even just a little higher. As it stands, it has good creaminess, and the flavors are allowed to really coat the tongue.

As for drinkability, this is much more drinkable than I thought it might be. Even at 8+%, the alcohol doesn't seem to be much of a factor, and the carbonation on the light side of moderate helps it slide down with more ease than it otherwise would. Also, even though it's highly flavorful, that it's not overly sweet helps guard against the possibility of flavor fatigue.

All in all, a worthy beer if you like Old Ales and Dubbels, and are feeling a bit adventurous. However, I bet a fairly large cross-section of beer geeks would find something to like about this beer.

Photo of MarvinSnyder
3.93/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Notes from 6-23-10 - poured into a Brewer's Art goblet - 1 pt. 9.4 fl. oz cage corked bottle

Appearance: Pours a murky, chocolate brown. A full, creamy tan head fades to thin. This beer has light lacing that stays close to the head.

Smell: Aroma of sweet roasted malt, raisins, rum alcohol, walnuts, syrup, and brown sugar on the nose.

Taste: Roasted malt sweetness, rye (beer of the month says pumpernickel), chocolate, rum, and syrup. This beer has a dry finish with a nutty aftertaste, and the alcohol provides subtle warmth. Also, it has an element of acidity commonly found in old ales.

Mouthfeel: Low to moderate carbonation. This beer is light and thin over the palate but maintains a creamy feel.

Drinkability: A very drinkable and complex hybrid beer. This beer shares many good characteristics of several beer styles.

Comments: A beer of the month club selection. I am not sure of the vintage. Overall, a good beer that pushes the boundaries of the dubbel style.

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Donder & Bliksem from Brouwerij De Molen
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