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Vuur & Vlam - Brouwerij De Molen

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BA SCORE
86
very good

154 Ratings
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Ratings: 154
Reviews: 63
rAvg: 3.82
pDev: 13.87%
Wants: 6
Gots: 14 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
American IPA |  6.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: wl0307 on 10-06-2009)
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1/5  rDev -73.8%

Photo of Jeffo
2.2/5  rDev -42.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Got this at the Mitra down the road. I've had this beer a few times, but never reviewed it. Buying it at the Mitra is pretty cool, so we'll celebrate with a review.

From a bottle into a snifter
Bottled on 14 May 2012

APPEARANCE: Slowly foamed out after opening, even after being in the fridge for a while. Pours a huge, three finger, looser, off-white head with steadfast retention. Color is a slightly hazy amber orange with higher levels of carbonation. Head just doesn't'quit, and gets looser and more pot holed as I wait. Eventually fades to a full wisp and leaves lots of chunky lacing down the glass. Too fluffy and carbonated a look for the style. Head was out of control.

SMELL: Medium nose of pale and caramel malts, some light floral hops aromas and plenty of grassy stuff. Decent, though not quite forthcoming enough, and not really what I'd expect from an American IPA.

TASTE: Starts out empty, unfortunately. Some pale malts, then some melon sweetness and lots of floral hops bitterness at the swallow. Milder yet lingering finish of bitter floral hops, some melon sweetness, and light grapefruit and citrus notes. Alright, but not all that complex or impressive, especially at the beginning.

PALATE: Totally off for the style. Light, thin body and overly carbonated. This beer pretty much always turns out like this, so I can only assume it's intentional. Creamy enough, but goes down very airy and finishes slightly dry on the palate. Not my style at all.

OVERALL: This is listed as an American IPA, but the look at feel resemble more of a Belgian pale ale. Overly carbonated, light and fluffy, the feel just doesn't help this beer's cause. If you're a fan of American IPA's, this won't do the trick. If you want a Belgian pale ale with a hop kick, this might be your thing. For me, I only drink this on occasion when I'm in the mood for something hoppy and there's nothing else around. Fortunately there's usually an insanely delicious imperial stout or barleywine available, so it's rare that I go to De Molen looking for a hop kick. Avoid.

Photo of Karo
2.25/5  rDev -41.1%

Photo of f4zZ3
2.53/5  rDev -33.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Bottle from SB

Served in bottle at home. When pouring, the glass fills up with a orange to gold liqiud. Some white head, about a finger high. Sinks fast with a little lacing on the glass.

Citrus-smelling one. Some lemon and orange, a bit of grapefruit as well. Some wierd note of old tired IPA. Minerals?

The taste is citrus as well. Not a long lasting one. Bitter but not for long. Thin body. Some kind of earthy tones. Would have been better with a bit more body.

Thin beer with moderate carbonation. The bitterness stays for only a short time in the mouth.

Not the worst IPA I've tried, but a bit of a let down. Way to thin in both body and taste.

Photo of Budinetz
2.6/5  rDev -31.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

Brewed on 11/19/2010
Bottled on 12/21/2010
Bottle number 1440.

BottleStates that this beer will be good for 5 years if kept in a cool dark place. Beer was stored for 4.5 years in a cool dark place with temperature control.

Poured from the bottle into a goblet.

Pours a cloudy amber color with a white head that dissipates quickly. Some sediment noted even with a steady, careful pour.

Smells of port wine, Madeira, fresh raison, figs. Definitely oxidized along the way dispute the correct storage. I had this years ago and it was super hoppy. I get none of that now, just oxidation.

Tastes of port, Madeira, oxidized beer, disappointment. Definitely tastes oxidized. Again I had this beer 2 years ago and it was hoppy as fuck and delicious. Although is says 5 years, this is one you may want to drink sooner. Perhaps the retail store stored it improperly. Anyhow...taste is awful if we are looking at an American IPA...otherwise it has a grassy, earthy, funky flavor of oxidized beer.


Mouthfeel is lame...just lame.

Overall if you are having this fresh then it's prolly awesome. Otherwise it's gonna suck oxidized...but it's a learning experience either way so fuck it!!!


Cheers!

Photo of bark
2.79/5  rDev -27%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

The colour is amber-brass, the liquid is clear. The two finger head is white and airy; it sinks slowly leaving some lacing on the glass.

The smell is surprisingly smooth. Lots of juicy hops and some bitterness. Bitter-sweet notes of lemon/lime and grapefruits. Orange peels and hints of rubber bands and green plants. Hints of alcohol and butterscotch. No harsh notes.

The taste is bitter with distinct green hoppy flavours. It is dry and all hop-centric, not much malt here. Some pine needles, grapefruits and tangerines. Thin body. The aftertaste is “green” and dry, almost harsh. Some butterscotch and harsh green plants in the finish.

The carbonation is medium strong, the bubbles are mid-sized and long lasting. The liquid is medium to thin.

Good bitterness and citric fruits, but the beer is way too thin and plain.

Photo of alexhahn82
2.83/5  rDev -25.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

A - A golden orange very clear beer, pours with a huge head (I do pour aggressively) that dissipates at a moderate pace.

S - A caramely and fruit like smell on the nose, quite pleasant, not a floral/traditional/mainstream smell to it which is refreshing.

T/M - mehhh. American Style IPA? Me disagrees. MEH. Still hard to put into words, but its caramel, mid to low hop backbone if you will.

O - Hmm, nothing too crazy here, quite safely played and would identify it more as a Pale Ale, not in malt characteristics, but in very tame underwhelming IBU's (42 in this and its an IPA?)

PP (Price Point) - Leftovers from a BA meet up, but if its more than $3 a bottle I wouldn't get near it.

Photo of BEERchitect
2.83/5  rDev -25.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Where the old-school though about the "European" flavor was about skunk aromas and subsequent taste, it seems that the newfound relevence in American-style IPAs are developing an overly catty or marijuiana-driven taste overseas. Along with one single glaring problem, this beer captures this notion well.

Despite its dispicable-sounding name, Vuur & Vlaam pours with a very charming appearance. Peach and cammel colors carry an inherent hop-infussed haze that captures the light and dispurses in with an artistic glow. Capped with a dense white skirt across the glass, the beer layers and laces much like English cask ales.

Aromas start with the endearing citrus and topical character that extends over all of IPAs today. Grapefruit, oranges, pineapple, apricot, and lemons are all represented well and are backed with the supple support of light caramel and bread. But it's an accompanying peppery spice that entices the nose at first but then grows into plastic, then rubber, and band-aid aromas that prove to be too distracting to fully appreciate the more IPA-like aromas.

Fruit forward to start the taste, the malts allow the hops to represent fruits with a more candied taste. As the malty sweetness begins to fade, the beer's hop dominance begins. Flavors of ruby red grapefruit, tangerine, apricot, mango, pineapple, and lemons rise to command the taste. But its toward the end of mid palate where the beer's peppery taste interrupts and forces a highly plastic note to dominate thereafter. Spice trumps bitterness and creates a mess to close the session.

But the beer's body is spot-on IPA (having to look past the distracting taste). Dry malt sweetness carries an inherent thin creaminess that's aided by zesty carbonation. But even that is short lived as the beer turns bone-dry, alcoholically warm, and peppery to finish.

Although there's only one real problem with the beer, that yeasty phenol character really disrupts the finer elements of the IPA and causes me to miss the herbal character that needs further exploration.

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3/5  rDev -21.5%

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3/5  rDev -21.5%

Photo of VierBier
3/5  rDev -21.5%

Photo of Howlader
3/5  rDev -21.5%

Photo of Sorachi
3/5  rDev -21.5%

Photo of jenray
3/5  rDev -21.5%

Photo of oakbluff
3/5  rDev -21.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

2 ounce bottle from glouglouburp. Pours a muddy/hazy wheat tangerine with a thick and creamy head and soapy lacing. Nose- iced tea and over ripe tropical fruit. Taste- zippy hop bite with a dish soap overtone, and sweet caramel malts and then astringent bitterness. Seems more like a strong pale ale then ipa with the malt bill and level of hopping, although not all that drinkable compared to a good APA. Solid level of carbonation and medium mouthfeel.

Photo of Mar02x
3.13/5  rDev -18.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A - A white head that relative quickly retracts. Underneath this white cloud lies a clear golden fluid.

S - Citrus and pine along with some mango slices.

T - A reasonable full body with pine, citrus and mango flavors, nice!! It is however the aftertaste that kills this beer, it is a bit mucky.

M - The bitter aftertaste is to strong in this one, even a bit unpleasant.

O - A reasonable IPA, but I think it has been to long on the shelf.

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3.23/5  rDev -15.4%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.9%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.9%

Photo of djtomain
3.25/5  rDev -14.9%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.9%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.9%

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3.25/5  rDev -14.9%

Photo of Sammy
3.35/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottled in late 2009, good through fall 2014.
Bottle from Fred. Darkish golden with enormous white fluffly head, well carbonated. Very mild hop aroma. Not getting that much hop bitterness in most sips, I am getting more notes of slight sourness.Thnk it was a long boat trip.

Photo of olradetbalder
3.5/5  rDev -8.4%

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Vuur & Vlam from Brouwerij De Molen
86 out of 100 based on 154 ratings.