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Vuur & Vlam - Brouwerij De Molen

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Reviews: 67
Hads: 190
Avg: 3.86
pDev: 21.76%
Wants: 5
Gots: 23 | FT: 0
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Brouwerij De Molen visit their website

Style | ABV
American IPA |  6.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: wl0307 on 10-06-2009

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Photo of Jeffo
2.18/5  rDev -43.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Got this at the Mitra down the road. I've had this beer a few times, but never reviewed it. Buying it at the Mitra is pretty cool, so we'll celebrate with a review.

From a bottle into a snifter
Bottled on 14 May 2012

APPEARANCE: Slowly foamed out after opening, even after being in the fridge for a while. Pours a huge, three finger, looser, off-white head with steadfast retention. Color is a slightly hazy amber orange with higher levels of carbonation. Head just doesn't'quit, and gets looser and more pot holed as I wait. Eventually fades to a full wisp and leaves lots of chunky lacing down the glass. Too fluffy and carbonated a look for the style. Head was out of control.

SMELL: Medium nose of pale and caramel malts, some light floral hops aromas and plenty of grassy stuff. Decent, though not quite forthcoming enough, and not really what I'd expect from an American IPA.

TASTE: Starts out empty, unfortunately. Some pale malts, then some melon sweetness and lots of floral hops bitterness at the swallow. Milder yet lingering finish of bitter floral hops, some melon sweetness, and light grapefruit and citrus notes. Alright, but not all that complex or impressive, especially at the beginning.

PALATE: Totally off for the style. Light, thin body and overly carbonated. This beer pretty much always turns out like this, so I can only assume it's intentional. Creamy enough, but goes down very airy and finishes slightly dry on the palate. Not my style at all.

OVERALL: This is listed as an American IPA, but the look at feel resemble more of a Belgian pale ale. Overly carbonated, light and fluffy, the feel just doesn't help this beer's cause. If you're a fan of American IPA's, this won't do the trick. If you want a Belgian pale ale with a hop kick, this might be your thing. For me, I only drink this on occasion when I'm in the mood for something hoppy and there's nothing else around. Fortunately there's usually an insanely delicious imperial stout or barleywine available, so it's rare that I go to De Molen looking for a hop kick. Avoid.

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Photo of f4zZ3
2.59/5  rDev -32.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Bottle from SB

Served in bottle at home. When pouring, the glass fills up with a orange to gold liqiud. Some white head, about a finger high. Sinks fast with a little lacing on the glass.

Citrus-smelling one. Some lemon and orange, a bit of grapefruit as well. Some wierd note of old tired IPA. Minerals?

The taste is citrus as well. Not a long lasting one. Bitter but not for long. Thin body. Some kind of earthy tones. Would have been better with a bit more body.

Thin beer with moderate carbonation. The bitterness stays for only a short time in the mouth.

Not the worst IPA I've tried, but a bit of a let down. Way to thin in both body and taste.

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Photo of Budinetz
2.62/5  rDev -32.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

Brewed on 11/19/2010
Bottled on 12/21/2010
Bottle number 1440.

BottleStates that this beer will be good for 5 years if kept in a cool dark place. Beer was stored for 4.5 years in a cool dark place with temperature control.

Poured from the bottle into a goblet.

Pours a cloudy amber color with a white head that dissipates quickly. Some sediment noted even with a steady, careful pour.

Smells of port wine, Madeira, fresh raison, figs. Definitely oxidized along the way dispute the correct storage. I had this years ago and it was super hoppy. I get none of that now, just oxidation.

Tastes of port, Madeira, oxidized beer, disappointment. Definitely tastes oxidized. Again I had this beer 2 years ago and it was hoppy as fuck and delicious. Although is says 5 years, this is one you may want to drink sooner. Perhaps the retail store stored it improperly. Anyhow...taste is awful if we are looking at an American IPA...otherwise it has a grassy, earthy, funky flavor of oxidized beer.

Mouthfeel is lame...just lame.

Overall if you are having this fresh then it's prolly awesome. Otherwise it's gonna suck oxidized...but it's a learning experience either way so fuck it!!!


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Photo of bark
2.84/5  rDev -26.4%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

The colour is amber-brass, the liquid is clear. The two finger head is white and airy; it sinks slowly leaving some lacing on the glass.

The smell is surprisingly smooth. Lots of juicy hops and some bitterness. Bitter-sweet notes of lemon/lime and grapefruits. Orange peels and hints of rubber bands and green plants. Hints of alcohol and butterscotch. No harsh notes.

The taste is bitter with distinct green hoppy flavours. It is dry and all hop-centric, not much malt here. Some pine needles, grapefruits and tangerines. Thin body. The aftertaste is “green” and dry, almost harsh. Some butterscotch and harsh green plants in the finish.

The carbonation is medium strong, the bubbles are mid-sized and long lasting. The liquid is medium to thin.

Good bitterness and citric fruits, but the beer is way too thin and plain.

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Photo of alexhahn82
2.87/5  rDev -25.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

A - A golden orange very clear beer, pours with a huge head (I do pour aggressively) that dissipates at a moderate pace.

S - A caramely and fruit like smell on the nose, quite pleasant, not a floral/traditional/mainstream smell to it which is refreshing.

T/M - mehhh. American Style IPA? Me disagrees. MEH. Still hard to put into words, but its caramel, mid to low hop backbone if you will.

O - Hmm, nothing too crazy here, quite safely played and would identify it more as a Pale Ale, not in malt characteristics, but in very tame underwhelming IBU's (42 in this and its an IPA?)

PP (Price Point) - Leftovers from a BA meet up, but if its more than $3 a bottle I wouldn't get near it.

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Photo of BEERchitect
2.88/5  rDev -25.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Where the old-school though about the "European" flavor was about skunk aromas and subsequent taste, it seems that the newfound relevence in American-style IPAs are developing an overly catty or marijuiana-driven taste overseas. Along with one single glaring problem, this beer captures this notion well.

Despite its dispicable-sounding name, Vuur & Vlaam pours with a very charming appearance. Peach and cammel colors carry an inherent hop-infussed haze that captures the light and dispurses in with an artistic glow. Capped with a dense white skirt across the glass, the beer layers and laces much like English cask ales.

Aromas start with the endearing citrus and topical character that extends over all of IPAs today. Grapefruit, oranges, pineapple, apricot, and lemons are all represented well and are backed with the supple support of light caramel and bread. But it's an accompanying peppery spice that entices the nose at first but then grows into plastic, then rubber, and band-aid aromas that prove to be too distracting to fully appreciate the more IPA-like aromas.

Fruit forward to start the taste, the malts allow the hops to represent fruits with a more candied taste. As the malty sweetness begins to fade, the beer's hop dominance begins. Flavors of ruby red grapefruit, tangerine, apricot, mango, pineapple, and lemons rise to command the taste. But its toward the end of mid palate where the beer's peppery taste interrupts and forces a highly plastic note to dominate thereafter. Spice trumps bitterness and creates a mess to close the session.

But the beer's body is spot-on IPA (having to look past the distracting taste). Dry malt sweetness carries an inherent thin creaminess that's aided by zesty carbonation. But even that is short lived as the beer turns bone-dry, alcoholically warm, and peppery to finish.

Although there's only one real problem with the beer, that yeasty phenol character really disrupts the finer elements of the IPA and causes me to miss the herbal character that needs further exploration.

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Photo of oakbluff
3/5  rDev -22.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

2 ounce bottle from glouglouburp. Pours a muddy/hazy wheat tangerine with a thick and creamy head and soapy lacing. Nose- iced tea and over ripe tropical fruit. Taste- zippy hop bite with a dish soap overtone, and sweet caramel malts and then astringent bitterness. Seems more like a strong pale ale then ipa with the malt bill and level of hopping, although not all that drinkable compared to a good APA. Solid level of carbonation and medium mouthfeel.

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Photo of Mar02x
3.15/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A - A white head that relative quickly retracts. Underneath this white cloud lies a clear golden fluid.

S - Citrus and pine along with some mango slices.

T - A reasonable full body with pine, citrus and mango flavors, nice!! It is however the aftertaste that kills this beer, it is a bit mucky.

M - The bitter aftertaste is to strong in this one, even a bit unpleasant.

O - A reasonable IPA, but I think it has been to long on the shelf.

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Photo of Sammy
3.38/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottled in late 2009, good through fall 2014.
Bottle from Fred. Darkish golden with enormous white fluffly head, well carbonated. Very mild hop aroma. Not getting that much hop bitterness in most sips, I am getting more notes of slight sourness.Thnk it was a long boat trip.

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Photo of BlazerT
3.53/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Teku glass.

A: Amber, burnt orange with big, white head, medium lasting and medium lacing.

S: Light and refreshing aroma. Noticable floral, grassy, citrus (grapefruit) and piney hops with low aroma of tropical fruits in the background. In the end quite distinctive booz aroma.

T: Refreshing taste. Medium-strong, zesty bitterness. Quite noticable citrus hops (grapefruit peel taste) and floral notes, in the end you can taste also some piney character. Low to medium sweet malts taste (bready). Aftertaste is little sweet with characteristic taste of pale malts, which try to balance this.

M: Medium-light body. Semi-dry, but dry, clean and solid bitter finish. Thin texture. Soft carbonation. No alcohol warmth.

O: Drinkable, solid and refreshing AIPA. Nothing good nor bad can suprise you here. Just solid AIPA, but it should be packed more with tropical and citrus taste and aroma.

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Photo of Phyl21ca
3.53/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle: Poured a cloudy light orangey color ale with a large foamy head with good retention and some good lacing. Aroma of citrus and bitter hops is dominant with light traces of cat pee. Taste is also dominated by citrus notes with a bitter finish and nice floral notes with some subtle traces of cat pee. Body is full with great carbonation. Well brewed though more floral notes would have been even better.

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Photo of barczar
3.53/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear light golden color with a quarter inch white head that dissipates into a film of foam.

Aroma is comprised of confectioners sugar, grainy malt, and floral hops. There's a bit of dankness and a hint of citrus present. Grapefruit, citrus zest, and alcohol surface as it warms.

The flavor is fairly subtle, with bitter, catty hops overwhelming the light citrus notes. Tastes a bit flat initially, lacking in malt breadth. Not quite as much flavoring hops as expected. Tangerine and coriander add complexity. Lime zest becomes evident.

Body is moderate, with moderate to low carbonation, which adds to the flabbiness of the beer.

Somewhat disappointing from a flavor standpoint. Lacking malt and hop flavor for the style.

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Photo of Hultkrantz
3.55/5  rDev -8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On the nose sweet, can-conserved cherries - plums a safer reference. (Edit 2nd: Bubblegum)
A silky body, honey, and a bitter aftertaste. A hint of ashes. The particular kind of bitterness in this beer was not to my liking.

Overall rather enjoyable. More amber ale than IPA, perhaps. I probably won't be buying this again though.

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Photo of Cyberkedi
3.55/5  rDev -8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Aroma has a malty core, a strong yeasty overtone, and hints of grass and fruit. It pours a slightly orangy amber with a decent, fluffy white head. Flavor is definitely that of an IPA - hoppy with citrus and yeasty undertones and some bitterness. Smooth texture is firm-bodied and quite fizzy, leaving a decidedly hoppy and citrus finish. Overall, a decent IPA, if not an outstanding one, and worth taking home.

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Photo of SavoD
3.56/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This is in my opinion more Belgian style ale with a lot of hops then a classical IPA. However this does not mean that I object drinking it. The taste is a bit tropical and sweet , the only disappointment is the aftertaste that does not linger in your mouth.

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Photo of Evil_Pidde
3.57/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

A: Pour is hazy pale orange with a rather tall and creamy off-white head. After slow dissipation the lacings appear, rich.

S: Tropical fruits galore! Rich American hops, bitter and floral; grapefruits, pineapples, ripe red oranges, peaches and lemon sezt. Caramell malts, semi-sweet, in the back but not weak in smell.

T: Follows the smell, but perhaps a bit milder. Think the smell watered.

M: Aftertaste is bitter and LONG. The body is rather thin while carbonation is rich.

O: It started of right, but the thin body ruins both feel and taste.

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Photo of Kegatron
3.58/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

33 cl bottle into a tulip glass. This looks to be from the most recent bottling.

Pours a coppery burnt orange, with several fingers of eggshell-white head. This retains with a foamy ½ finger, leaving back a thick frothy cascade of that settles into some heavy swathes of lace. Those Simcoe hops jump right out here in the nose, with a ripe dankness that is punctuated by notes of spice and pine. Sweetness from the malt seems to get lost along the back a bit, as that herbal character really pushes to the forefront here.

The taste has more of an earthy citric bitterness to it (mostly grapefruit flavors), which is amplified by sharper notes of resins and spice. Unlike the nose, there is not as much sweetness coming out from the fruit, with this having to rely more on the malts for balance. Notes of lightly burnt toast hang in the finish, along with a dry and warm spiciness. The mouthfeel is medium bodied, with a moderate prickliness on the tongue before getting more creamy and slick on the edges. There is a smidge of warmth present in the body but no actual alcohol flavors are detected here.

This was a decent and drinkable enough IPA attempt from De Molen, which while remaining overall balanced and hiding its alcohol well, failed to really differentiate itself from the myriad of other attempts out there right now. Maybe getting to this when it was slightly fresher would have helped.

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Photo of womencantsail
3.58/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A somewhat light shade of amber with an off-white head. Floral and grassy hops dominate. There is a decent maltiness to the nose, mostly bready. Just a hint of fruit (citrus) in there, maybe some herbal and pine aromas. The flavor is fairly bready, but a decent enough hop flavor. Lots of floral notes with some pine and grass. A strange white grape flavor is also present. Decent, but not great.

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Photo of John_M
3.63/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at Max's today.

The beer pours an amber orange color with good head retention and lacing. The is fairly attractive, showing orange citrus and light sweet malt. The flavor profile replicates the nose pretty closely in this beer. Although there some sweet orange, it's countered fairly well by the hoppy bitterness in the finish. While not as hoppy/bitter as I typically like to see in my IPA's, it's not bad. Mouthfeel is meidum bodied, with a somewhat thin, lightly bitter finish. Drinkability is pretty good in this IPA. The alcohol is nicely integrated into the flavor profile, and there's nothing heavy or tiring.

Shrug. While nothing extraordinairy, I thought this was a fairly pleasant effort from the folks at De Molen.

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Photo of arturorg
3.7/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Served into a Flying Dog pint glass

A: Hazy brownish with a 1 inch white frothy head with no visible carbonation. Small lace

S: Malt, fruity (Passion fruit I think from the amarillo hop), bitter

T: sweet at first, puckering, not very bitter. Thin bodied. Feel a little bit of carbonation.

Good but could be better for De Molen standards, top notch brewery...

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Photo of StJamesGate
3.7/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours cloudy amber-tan with stiff piles of eggshell foam. Nose is faint caramel, bruised peach and orange rind. Toffee apple malts with vague caraway/vanilla bean yeast spice then pine resin and fresh apricot hops. Bitter finish. Soft, round, medium, some heat, cloys a bit.

According to the label:
Bittered with Galena
Chinook, Cascade, Simcoe and Amarillo late hops
Dry hopped with Cascade
42 IBUs

That label info should have been a clue: why go crazy with the hop bill, only to give an APA-level of bitterness?
And though it says this can age for up to 5 years, with a June 29th bottle date, at 4 months it already seems to have lost some hop brightness. Hop complexity does deepen as it warms; serve this at cellar temp.

Burns too much to be an APA, not hoppy enough to be an IPA. Swampy hops, weak malts, and then that yeast... Belgian IPA? Not sure what this is trying to be.

2nd de Molen beer, and haven't been blown away yet.

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Photo of Daniellobo
3.71/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

lFair IPA, settled on the hops, and yet with a pleasing bitter sense.

Presentation: 33 cl brown, capped bottle. Standard De Molen Label, text over white background detailing the characteristics of the brew. O.G. 1058, F.G. 1012, EBC Colour 22.2 Hop bill, EBUs 42.6. Adds recommended drinking temperature, and cellaring range (up to 5 yrs.). Shows brewing and bottling date (11 March 2010, 12 April 2010), and that this is bottle 320 out of a1210 33cl bottles batch, alongside Alc. by Vol. (6.2%). Served in a tulip glass.

A - Hazy deep amber pour. Towering head with problems to settle down... Quite a beauty.

S - Aroma is soft, faded at this point I guess... But still pleasant with a light hoppy touch, light grapefruit with a sweet malt touch.

T - Bitter sense, not so much a full range but a good bitter touch, touch of faint resin and citrus under the bitter coating, but again, not much in the way of complexity or range of hops at this point. Pleasing malty touch in the back, dash of caramel.

M - Medium body with medium to medium/low carbonation, good tingle in the tongue flowing with the final bitter finish.

D - Aged IPA by design... It still drinks pretty well with a pleasing feel.

Notes: Certainly not by far a remarkable De Molen brew, and sure enough despite the rage, mine included, for fresh and rich hops, they can also (and were supposed) to preserve a brew well, and this still is a good drinker albeit shortly it will hit the one year mark. I'd love to put my hands on a fresh one though... Thanks Toño for another De Molen treat.

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Photo of aleigator
3.74/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Orange-yellow color, filtered, decent dense head.

Aroma is citrus, grass, yeast. Very hoppy, bitter ale.

Lime, orange, kiwi, more fruits than expected, with a refreshing carbonation. Soon, hoppy bitterness kicks in, but grainy yeast helps to keep the balance at bay, lime adds cpmplexity. Mouthfeel is dry, with a long bitter aftertaste. Very hop defined, still pleasant on the palate, nice. Carbonation adds metallic hints to the hops, making the bitterness even more present.

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Photo of muttyd
3.75/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Poured gently into a tulip glass yield a huge soapy/rocky off white head. As the head settles, it leaves suds all over the glass. Rather murky brew with some hints of sediment swirling around in the glass.

Despite having been bottled almost 7 months ago, this beer has a pretty impressive hoppy aroma; some pine, herbal tea, and citrus fruits. Sweet bready malts & slight alcohol notes follow the aromatic mix of hops. The flavor has a more piney/resiny hop character with a strong toffee/caramel malt backbone. Bitter grapefruit rind and spicy yeast character in the finish. Surprised that the alcohol (being only 6.2%) gives the warming feeling it does going down. Well carbonated and prickly on the tongue, this beer leaves a sticky/oily coating on your palate.

Being the first beer I have ever tried from De Molen, I am rather impressed. I will seek out this (and their other) beer in the future.

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Photo of oberon
3.89/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle on 21 December 2010.Poured overflowing into a nonic a deeply hazed muddy orange,the head even at a gentle pour went flowing over the glass wich was annoying.The aromas are great with big Simcoe and Amarillo sharp hops being the main component,a sweet caramel base is there as well.The mouthfeel is a little light for my taste but it doesnt take to much away from a nice hop profile on the palate,citric and herbal hops overtop of a sweet biscuit dough base.Its a really good ipa,it could be great with a few tweaks.

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Vuur & Vlam from Brouwerij De Molen
86 out of 100 based on 67 ratings.