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Vuur & Vlam - Brouwerij De Molen

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BA SCORE
86
very good

147 Ratings
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Ratings: 147
Reviews: 63
rAvg: 3.81
pDev: 14.17%
Wants: 5
Gots: 9 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
American IPA |  6.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: wl0307 on 10-06-2009)
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Photo of Sammy
3.35/5  rDev -12.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottled in late 2009, good through fall 2014.
Bottle from Fred. Darkish golden with enormous white fluffly head, well carbonated. Very mild hop aroma. Not getting that much hop bitterness in most sips, I am getting more notes of slight sourness.Thnk it was a long boat trip.

Sammy, Feb 07, 2011
Photo of t0rin0
3.25/5  rDev -14.7%

t0rin0, Sep 02, 2012
Photo of zestar
3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

zestar, Thursday at 10:20 PM
Photo of nmann08
3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

nmann08, May 05, 2012
Photo of metter98
4.3/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is hazy yellowish orange in color and poured with a thin off white head.
S: There are moderate aromas of grapefruit in the nose.
T: Similar to the smell, there are strong flavors of grapefruit in the taste but only hints of accompanying bitterness from the hops. There are some hints of malty sweetness in the initial taste.
M: It feels medium-bodied and crisp on the palate with a light to moderate amount of carbonation.
O: The beer is extremely well balanced between the hops and malts. It’s very easy to drink compared to other beers in the style because it offers all of the aromas and flavors of citrus hops but without the associated bitterness.

metter98, Aug 14, 2011
Photo of brentk56
4.22/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Arrives with an amber colored liquid; the head measures a bit more than a finger and leaves some decent lacing behind

Smell: Toffee malt with an herbacious citrus character

Taste: Light toffee, up front, followed by the herbal citrus flavors that add kumquat to the usual range; after the swallow, the herbaciously bitter flavors linger, though there is some residual sweetness in the finish

Mouthfeel: Medium body with moderate carbonation

Overall: More of a Belgian IPA than an American IPA, due to the yeast profile; decent, but I have preferred others in this style

brentk56, Apr 07, 2011
Photo of BEERchitect
2.83/5  rDev -25.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Where the old-school though about the "European" flavor was about skunk aromas and subsequent taste, it seems that the newfound relevence in American-style IPAs are developing an overly catty or marijuiana-driven taste overseas. Along with one single glaring problem, this beer captures this notion well.

Despite its dispicable-sounding name, Vuur & Vlaam pours with a very charming appearance. Peach and cammel colors carry an inherent hop-infussed haze that captures the light and dispurses in with an artistic glow. Capped with a dense white skirt across the glass, the beer layers and laces much like English cask ales.

Aromas start with the endearing citrus and topical character that extends over all of IPAs today. Grapefruit, oranges, pineapple, apricot, and lemons are all represented well and are backed with the supple support of light caramel and bread. But it's an accompanying peppery spice that entices the nose at first but then grows into plastic, then rubber, and band-aid aromas that prove to be too distracting to fully appreciate the more IPA-like aromas.

Fruit forward to start the taste, the malts allow the hops to represent fruits with a more candied taste. As the malty sweetness begins to fade, the beer's hop dominance begins. Flavors of ruby red grapefruit, tangerine, apricot, mango, pineapple, and lemons rise to command the taste. But its toward the end of mid palate where the beer's peppery taste interrupts and forces a highly plastic note to dominate thereafter. Spice trumps bitterness and creates a mess to close the session.

But the beer's body is spot-on IPA (having to look past the distracting taste). Dry malt sweetness carries an inherent thin creaminess that's aided by zesty carbonation. But even that is short lived as the beer turns bone-dry, alcoholically warm, and peppery to finish.

Although there's only one real problem with the beer, that yeasty phenol character really disrupts the finer elements of the IPA and causes me to miss the herbal character that needs further exploration.

BEERchitect, Oct 20, 2012
Photo of Phyl21ca
3.53/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle: Poured a cloudy light orangey color ale with a large foamy head with good retention and some good lacing. Aroma of citrus and bitter hops is dominant with light traces of cat pee. Taste is also dominated by citrus notes with a bitter finish and nice floral notes with some subtle traces of cat pee. Body is full with great carbonation. Well brewed though more floral notes would have been even better.

Phyl21ca, Jan 12, 2011
Photo of womencantsail
3.58/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A somewhat light shade of amber with an off-white head. Floral and grassy hops dominate. There is a decent maltiness to the nose, mostly bready. Just a hint of fruit (citrus) in there, maybe some herbal and pine aromas. The flavor is fairly bready, but a decent enough hop flavor. Lots of floral notes with some pine and grass. A strange white grape flavor is also present. Decent, but not great.

womencantsail, Jul 03, 2012
Photo of oberon
3.9/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle on 21 December 2010.Poured overflowing into a nonic a deeply hazed muddy orange,the head even at a gentle pour went flowing over the glass wich was annoying.The aromas are great with big Simcoe and Amarillo sharp hops being the main component,a sweet caramel base is there as well.The mouthfeel is a little light for my taste but it doesnt take to much away from a nice hop profile on the palate,citric and herbal hops overtop of a sweet biscuit dough base.Its a really good ipa,it could be great with a few tweaks.

oberon, Jul 16, 2011
Photo of JAHMUR
4/5  rDev +5%

JAHMUR, Feb 13, 2012
Photo of biboergosum
4/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A kick-ass find on draft at Beer Revolution in Cowtown - not a bad offering to christen (not an Easter reference) my 2000th review!

This beer appears a hazy golden medium amber hue, with one finger of tight foamy off-white head, which takes its sweet time melting away, eventually leaving a sparsely broken wall of painted lace around the glass.

It smells of grapefruit rind, mild bready caramel malt, and a soft pine resin essence. The taste is bitter blended citrus hops, caramel/vanilla malt, and some rank piney acerbic essences. More or less West Coast-ish, with a sight Mikkeller-esque Euro offset.

The bubbles are consistent, but none-too distracting, the body an ambivalent medium weight, and smooth without further outward intrusion. It finishes mostly dry, the hops turning kind of vegetal, retaining little of the citrus and pine that originally made me lust after this.

Not a bad IPA, but sort of middling, given the oomph generally required by the best in breed. Still glad I got a small pint, instead of a fifteen dollar bomber off the bottle-shop shelf.

biboergosum, Apr 06, 2012
Photo of Kegatron
3.58/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

33 cl bottle into a tulip glass. This looks to be from the most recent bottling.

Pours a coppery burnt orange, with several fingers of eggshell-white head. This retains with a foamy ½ finger, leaving back a thick frothy cascade of that settles into some heavy swathes of lace. Those Simcoe hops jump right out here in the nose, with a ripe dankness that is punctuated by notes of spice and pine. Sweetness from the malt seems to get lost along the back a bit, as that herbal character really pushes to the forefront here.

The taste has more of an earthy citric bitterness to it (mostly grapefruit flavors), which is amplified by sharper notes of resins and spice. Unlike the nose, there is not as much sweetness coming out from the fruit, with this having to rely more on the malts for balance. Notes of lightly burnt toast hang in the finish, along with a dry and warm spiciness. The mouthfeel is medium bodied, with a moderate prickliness on the tongue before getting more creamy and slick on the edges. There is a smidge of warmth present in the body but no actual alcohol flavors are detected here.

This was a decent and drinkable enough IPA attempt from De Molen, which while remaining overall balanced and hiding its alcohol well, failed to really differentiate itself from the myriad of other attempts out there right now. Maybe getting to this when it was slightly fresher would have helped.

Kegatron, May 12, 2011
Photo of MasterSki
4.25/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On-tap at Local Option. Served in a wide-mouthed goblet.

A - A finger-plus of white foam that has great retention and settles to a thick cap, leaving behind splotchy lacing. Hazed copper-orange body.

S - Great juicy aroma of tangerines, tropical fruits, light pine and earthiness, and a bit of citrus zest. There's some faint cereal grain in the periphery, but this is like a delicious fruit cocktail.

T - Taste is nice, but doesn't pop or have the same depth as the aroma. Sweet citrus hops, and some sugary malt in the background. Low bitterness in the finish.

M - Lower carbonation, smooth medium body, and no obvious alcohol. Light hop oil in the finish, but otherwise largely clean.

D - This is a good beer that I'd gladly have again if I knew it was a fresh batch. One of the few European IPAs that I actually really enjoy. Hope there's still a bit left on Saturday night.

MasterSki, Jun 03, 2011
Photo of Rochefort10nh
4/5  rDev +5%

Rochefort10nh, Nov 21, 2011
Photo of wl0307
4.08/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Purchased at the BSF bar, GBBF 2009; this bottle-conditioned ale comes in a 330ml slim brown bottle, BB 2014, served faintly chilled in Tripel Karmeliet's long-stemmed tulip-shaped goblet. NOTE: much information about this beer is printed on the front label - Brewed on 29 April 2009, Bottled on 2 June 2009; EBC 22.2, EBU 42.6; Bitter-ing hops Galena + as late-hops - Chinook, Cascade, Simcoe and Amarillo + Dry-hopping with Cascade; this bottle is No. 51 from the batch of 1344 bottles only. The label actually looks like some freshly printed "laboratory briefing"...?!

A: a huge and foamy light beige froth sits on top of a moderately carbonated, slightly murky dark amber hue. Phenomenal.
S: the smell is more like a well-hopped Tripel with a bit more malt sweetness upfront; as indicated by the front label, the hop composition is indeed complex and hard to "dissect" for analysis, featuring Cascade et al. US hops' piney, apricot-ish, grapefruity & lychee-ish aroma, while Belgian/Dutch exotic yeasts also render a rich flower-estery & spicy (a touch of vanilla and coriander-seeds) aura in the background. In the middle is a more settled layer of overripe fruits (pears, bananas, and pineapples [smoothie like!]) and mixed, toffee-ish+sugary malts. Very pleasant and tremendously hoppy, but the malt syrup is equally rich to provide a kind of gravity.
T: the effervescent mouthful of spicy-bitter & powdery yeastiness and piney hops is refreshing and kicking my taste-buds hard, waking them up to a dry, citrus-peel-ish spicy-bitter aftertaste that ensues closely, as does a vanilla-ish herbal note... Also in the aftertaste, the bready+caramely malts develop by stealth, but way less significant on a balance already dominated by lingering lychee-shell-ish aroma and chewy, spicy, medium+ level of bitterness from both hops and yeast sediments. Surprisingly, at merely 6.2%abv., this ale should leave an interestingly warmer-than-average swallow as it goes down the throat!
M&D: refreshing and semi-lively carbonated with very fine fizz, giving an elevating effect on the flavour actually. The complex hop profile is all mixed up in terms of flavour, and then engulfed by the rich yeastiness that I couldn't have avoided even if a more gentle pour was applied, as the yeast sediments are by no means settled in the bottle - more in line with a Belgian/Dutch bottled ale. The combined effect makes a heavily hopped and yet immensely yeasty semi-IPA style of ale.

wl0307, Oct 06, 2009
Photo of akorsak
3.95/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A horizontal tasting of the same recipe as interpreted by three different brewers. Take 1: De Molen. At the Farmers' Cabinet. Janlud there too.

A: The IPA is bright, a coppery orange color. A moderate-sized band of head comes along, white a snow.

S: The nose is grassy, possibly the hoppiest of the three. Citrus follows the grass, as does balancing caramel.

T: Pungently hoppy, the ale brings plenty of citrus with resiny pine adding an oily follow-up. Caramel malts, bready, are an adequate counterbalance to the hops. Semi-tropical, the IPA finishes with a grassy bluster. Yeast lends a sweeter presence that also aids in balancing the bitterness.

M: The hoppiest of the three, De Molen doesn't go easy on the bite. That being said, it's not a tastebud-scorcher. A strong take on an American IPA.

akorsak, Jun 11, 2011
Photo of DoubleJ
4.08/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4

A fresh bottle served at 't Proeflokaal in Delft and served in its own glass. On to the beer:

Looking toasted orange in color and topped with a small head from the pour. Thinn strings of lace ring around the glass as the beergoes down. A pleasant hoppy aroma shows that De Molen not only did their homework, but excecuted the brewing process well. Ripe grapefruit aromas escape and are paired with mango, burnt sugar, and a tease of tea.

Bringing the congas would be one of the few ways to make this beer more tropical. Already, the beer is full of a tropcial fruitiness, highlighted by sweet grapefruit and pineapple. The malt is not to be overshadowed, carrying with it toasted caramel and burnt sugar. The medium body is just right, but with very low carbonation, this already good Dutch IPA may have missed a chance to jump to an even higher level.

DoubleJ, May 17, 2013
Photo of afsdan
4/5  rDev +5%

afsdan, May 01, 2014
Photo of John_M
3.63/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at Max's today.

The beer pours an amber orange color with good head retention and lacing. The is fairly attractive, showing orange citrus and light sweet malt. The flavor profile replicates the nose pretty closely in this beer. Although there some sweet orange, it's countered fairly well by the hoppy bitterness in the finish. While not as hoppy/bitter as I typically like to see in my IPA's, it's not bad. Mouthfeel is meidum bodied, with a somewhat thin, lightly bitter finish. Drinkability is pretty good in this IPA. The alcohol is nicely integrated into the flavor profile, and there's nothing heavy or tiring.

Shrug. While nothing extraordinairy, I thought this was a fairly pleasant effort from the folks at De Molen.

John_M, Mar 27, 2011
Photo of wordemupg
4.25/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

750ml corked and caged bottle poured into tulip 3/4/12

A hazy golden orange, massive half glass of bone white foam retains well ending up as a loose soapy foam that leaves a few chunks of lace

S grapefruit and mango with some floral aspect, lavender perhaps? I get some sauv blanc vinous notes with some "cat's pee on a gooseberry bush" but its much better then it sounds. I want to say pine but it might be spruce with a little tangerine and passion fruit with very faint smoke from the chinook I'd guess, the perfect American IPA from across the pond

T still tropical but harder to distinguish the individual notes in the nose, everything sorta blends into a mellow balance of malty caramel and citric hops, tastes great but as good as it is, it has nothing on the nose

M much like the other De Molen brews I've tried this one has more bubbles then desired, my only complaint in this department

O great IPA with a focus on aroma, other then a little foam in the mouth this one is well above the norm

not sure why I'm above the average with this one because I'd assume everyone would love it, the smell alone had me at hello. The 13$ question finally comes into the equation and perhaps is my best answer, as much as I love this beer for an IPA (no "D" in front) its expensive considering the 6.2%.

wordemupg, Apr 04, 2012
Photo of LiquidAmber
4.4/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Review from 2011 notes (forgot to put review on BA). Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a cloudy orange amber with massive, coarse two finger head that dissipates quickly, leaving lacing. Aroma of piney hops and light citrus fruit. Interesting resiny pine and dry bready flavor backed by light fruit and citrus. Semi-dry with a low malt presence. Nice herbal hop finish, somewhat dry and distinctive. Not as intense citrus a most american IPAs. This is quite unique in flavor. I usually like a good malt backbone in IPAs, which is lacking here, but the flavors are so interesting that I still really enjoyed this IPA. A reliably great brewery.

LiquidAmber, Sep 07, 2013
Photo of bark
2.79/5  rDev -26.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

The colour is amber-brass, the liquid is clear. The two finger head is white and airy; it sinks slowly leaving some lacing on the glass.

The smell is surprisingly smooth. Lots of juicy hops and some bitterness. Bitter-sweet notes of lemon/lime and grapefruits. Orange peels and hints of rubber bands and green plants. Hints of alcohol and butterscotch. No harsh notes.

The taste is bitter with distinct green hoppy flavours. It is dry and all hop-centric, not much malt here. Some pine needles, grapefruits and tangerines. Thin body. The aftertaste is “green” and dry, almost harsh. Some butterscotch and harsh green plants in the finish.

The carbonation is medium strong, the bubbles are mid-sized and long lasting. The liquid is medium to thin.

Good bitterness and citric fruits, but the beer is way too thin and plain.

bark, Feb 17, 2013
Photo of avalon07
4/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a brownish-orange color and a cloudy consistency. There was a huge, creamy, long-lasting head. Good lacing.

S: A heavy hops presence in the aroma, with some malt as well.

T: Tasted of hops (a fair amount), some citrus (a little grapefruit), malt, and an almost bready quality. This tasted more like an English IPA than an American, but it was still pretty tasty.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth finish. Medium-bodied.

O: I'm not going to say this is my favorite IPA ever, but it is solid and well made.

avalon07, Mar 06, 2012
Photo of Evil_Pidde
3.54/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

A: Pour is hazy pale orange with a rather tall and creamy off-white head. After slow dissipation the lacings appear, rich.

S: Tropical fruits galore! Rich American hops, bitter and floral; grapefruits, pineapples, ripe red oranges, peaches and lemon sezt. Caramell malts, semi-sweet, in the back but not weak in smell.

T: Follows the smell, but perhaps a bit milder. Think the smell watered.

M: Aftertaste is bitter and LONG. The body is rather thin while carbonation is rich.

O: It started of right, but the thin body ruins both feel and taste.

Evil_Pidde, Feb 15, 2013
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Vuur & Vlam from Brouwerij De Molen
86 out of 100 based on 147 ratings.