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Vuur & Vlam - Brouwerij De Molen

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86
very good

147 Ratings
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Ratings: 147
Reviews: 63
rAvg: 3.81
pDev: 14.17%
Wants: 5
Gots: 9 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
American IPA |  6.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: wl0307 on 10-06-2009)
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Photo of Cyberkedi
3.55/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Aroma has a malty core, a strong yeasty overtone, and hints of grass and fruit. It pours a slightly orangy amber with a decent, fluffy white head. Flavor is definitely that of an IPA - hoppy with citrus and yeasty undertones and some bitterness. Smooth texture is firm-bodied and quite fizzy, leaving a decidedly hoppy and citrus finish. Overall, a decent IPA, if not an outstanding one, and worth taking home.

Cyberkedi, Apr 14, 2012
Photo of tbeckett
4.1/5  rDev +7.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at 't Arendsnest in Amsterdam. From notes.

A - Poured a cloudy dark orange with a full 2 giner ice cream looking eggshell head. Good lacing and ice cream scoop in the middle. No visible carbonation.

S - I wrote "hopsane" for some reason. Crazy tropical fruit attacking the nostrils. Grapefruit and pineapple come out. Lovely and very aggressive.

T - I came to Amsterdam from the Balkans and this was the first hoppy beer I'd had in a while. It was a great feeling. The best grapefruit presence in an IPA I've tasted. Represents the sourness of the fruit quite well. Juicy, resinous hops. Yeasty with orange zest and a slightly floral finish.

M - Mild carbonation with a light to medium body. Not an intense bitter finish, but obviously there.

O/D - A nice IPA. No flaws IMO. Good ABV and lovely flavour. It might have been me missing IPAs, but this was a great beer and I liked it alot. Worth trying for sure.

tbeckett, May 09, 2011
Photo of eawolff99
3.25/5  rDev -14.7%

eawolff99, Jun 14, 2012
Photo of CrazyDavros
3.9/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 4.5

Pours pale amber with a large head.
Massive lychee hit in the aroma. Pretty much dominates. Graduall fades to let some peach and papaya through along with some spicy phenols and sweet, biscuity malt.
Biscuity and bready malt first up as flavours with a bold grapefruit and pine hop hit after. Some booze and Belgian phenols following, tripel-style.
Too much carbonation.

CrazyDavros, Dec 01, 2012
Photo of dcmchew
3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

dcmchew, Apr 30, 2014
Photo of ADZA
4.15/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Pretty sure vuur & vlam means fire and flame but thats what ive heard from better sources and obviously this brew comes in the same standard 750ml De Molen bottle with the standard label and after looking at the label i gotta admit there is alot of hops used here which im looking forward to as i do rate this brewery and know they can produce good brews,anyway this is bottle 133 from 570 brewed on the 28th of november 2009 bottled on the 4th of january 2010 and pours a cloudy apricot hue with really nice carbonation that leaves behind a frothy white two finger head that slowly subsides to a frothy mound in the middle of the glass with heaps of lacing everywhere,the aroma is a really nice fruity perfume mix of grapefruit,lemon,lime,stonefruit and piney hops,the mouthfeel is rather smooth but could be more carbonated with nice tastes of grapefruit,toffee malts and finishes with a good dose of piney hops that leaves behind a nice taste of bitterness on the palette but doesnt over do it and yeah its very drinkable and i could drink all night if it was a little cheaper but in saying that its a top quality take on a northwest IPA from a brewery that is in europe will definately buy again.

ADZA, Jun 24, 2010
Photo of bigred89
4/5  rDev +5%

bigred89, Jun 11, 2013
Photo of StJamesGate
3.68/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours cloudy amber-tan with stiff piles of eggshell foam. Nose is faint caramel, bruised peach and orange rind. Toffee apple malts with vague caraway/vanilla bean yeast spice then pine resin and fresh apricot hops. Bitter finish. Soft, round, medium, some heat, cloys a bit.

According to the label:
Bittered with Galena
Chinook, Cascade, Simcoe and Amarillo late hops
Dry hopped with Cascade
42 IBUs

That label info should have been a clue: why go crazy with the hop bill, only to give an APA-level of bitterness?
And though it says this can age for up to 5 years, with a June 29th bottle date, at 4 months it already seems to have lost some hop brightness. Hop complexity does deepen as it warms; serve this at cellar temp.

Burns too much to be an APA, not hoppy enough to be an IPA. Swampy hops, weak malts, and then that yeast... Belgian IPA? Not sure what this is trying to be.

2nd de Molen beer, and haven't been blown away yet.

StJamesGate, Oct 31, 2010
Photo of Dope
4.13/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottled 12/21/10, bottle # 436. 7 months old but what the hell.

A: Cloudy dark amber with a ridiculously huge white head that never seems to fade. Tons of lacing stuck everywhere.

S: Despite the age the hops are still quite fragrant. Definitely a decent variety in this. There's citrus, pine and grass that I can tell. Distinct simcoe smell. Some bread hiding in there too. Quite nice.

T: Still quite hoppy. Perhaps not as strong as when it was fresh maybe but it's still there. There's orange, pineapple and grapefruit, some pine in the middle, joining with grass on the tail end. Bitter pine and grass sticks through the aftertaste quite well. There is a bit of a medicinal herbal flavor floating around too, again mostly in the aftertaste. Herbal flavor starts to come out stronger in the aftertaste as the beer warms and starts to detract slightly, otherwise this would be higher rated. A bit of caramel sort of coats everything.

M: Lots of carbonation for that tingly mouthfeel. Lasting bitterness suits it well and joins in.

O: Wish I could have tried this fresh, I wonder how it compares. It is still very hoppy and tasty though. Not a malt bomb by a long shot. Worth grabbing if you see it somewhere local.

Dope, Jul 21, 2011
Photo of Ciocanelu
3.5/5  rDev -8.1%

Ciocanelu, Mar 29, 2014
Photo of Metalmonk
3.93/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Great look, with a blinding white head that starts big and foamy and crackles very audibly to a thinner layer. The burnt-orange/rust color is just a shade soupier than your usual IPA. Overall this thing looks top-notch.

Smells American-ish, just one or two tiny twists away from something you could imagine Sierra Nevada brewing. And that twist could be some kind of hop variety that's not playing well with the others, or possibly the way these hops are combined in the recipe: Galena, Chinnok, Cascade (Sierra Nevada's go-to), Simcoe and Amarillo. Gives off a kind of nutty vibe, and it's quite the herbal smell, as well, reminding of various Asian spice mixes you cook Thai or Vietnamese cuisine with. A bit toasty, with a vibe of young/unripe oranges and tangerines. Certainly interesting, although slightly weird.

Same interesting hoppy profile in the taste as in the aroma. Something jutting out with nut-husk coarseness and a big, intense herbal layer. Cascade hops definitely make their presence known. Overall this is a beer with a big, aggressive flavor. On the drier side too, with a pronounced herbal bitterness in the finish that fades fairly quickly.

Clearly a European beer that's highly inspired by American IPAs, but this shouldn't be held up to the greats of the U.S. west coast. Rather, it should be approached as a twist on that whole deal. Pretty good stuff, but I'm still waiting to try a De Molen beer that's as good as Heaven & Hell. They totally nailed it there.

Metalmonk, Jan 26, 2012
Photo of jenray
3/5  rDev -21.3%

jenray, Nov 20, 2011
Photo of aztraz
3.25/5  rDev -14.7%

aztraz, Sep 12, 2012
Photo of Daniellobo
3.7/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

lFair IPA, settled on the hops, and yet with a pleasing bitter sense.

Presentation: 33 cl brown, capped bottle. Standard De Molen Label, text over white background detailing the characteristics of the brew. O.G. 1058, F.G. 1012, EBC Colour 22.2 Hop bill, EBUs 42.6. Adds recommended drinking temperature, and cellaring range (up to 5 yrs.). Shows brewing and bottling date (11 March 2010, 12 April 2010), and that this is bottle 320 out of a1210 33cl bottles batch, alongside Alc. by Vol. (6.2%). Served in a tulip glass.

A - Hazy deep amber pour. Towering head with problems to settle down... Quite a beauty.

S - Aroma is soft, faded at this point I guess... But still pleasant with a light hoppy touch, light grapefruit with a sweet malt touch.

T - Bitter sense, not so much a full range but a good bitter touch, touch of faint resin and citrus under the bitter coating, but again, not much in the way of complexity or range of hops at this point. Pleasing malty touch in the back, dash of caramel.

M - Medium body with medium to medium/low carbonation, good tingle in the tongue flowing with the final bitter finish.

D - Aged IPA by design... It still drinks pretty well with a pleasing feel.

Notes: Certainly not by far a remarkable De Molen brew, and sure enough despite the rage, mine included, for fresh and rich hops, they can also (and were supposed) to preserve a brew well, and this still is a good drinker albeit shortly it will hit the one year mark. I'd love to put my hands on a fresh one though... Thanks Toño for another De Molen treat.

Daniellobo, Jan 24, 2011
Photo of ncaudle
3.75/5  rDev -1.6%

ncaudle, Nov 30, 2013
Photo of Jeffo
2.2/5  rDev -42.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Got this at the Mitra down the road. I've had this beer a few times, but never reviewed it. Buying it at the Mitra is pretty cool, so we'll celebrate with a review.

From a bottle into a snifter
Bottled on 14 May 2012

APPEARANCE: Slowly foamed out after opening, even after being in the fridge for a while. Pours a huge, three finger, looser, off-white head with steadfast retention. Color is a slightly hazy amber orange with higher levels of carbonation. Head just doesn't'quit, and gets looser and more pot holed as I wait. Eventually fades to a full wisp and leaves lots of chunky lacing down the glass. Too fluffy and carbonated a look for the style. Head was out of control.

SMELL: Medium nose of pale and caramel malts, some light floral hops aromas and plenty of grassy stuff. Decent, though not quite forthcoming enough, and not really what I'd expect from an American IPA.

TASTE: Starts out empty, unfortunately. Some pale malts, then some melon sweetness and lots of floral hops bitterness at the swallow. Milder yet lingering finish of bitter floral hops, some melon sweetness, and light grapefruit and citrus notes. Alright, but not all that complex or impressive, especially at the beginning.

PALATE: Totally off for the style. Light, thin body and overly carbonated. This beer pretty much always turns out like this, so I can only assume it's intentional. Creamy enough, but goes down very airy and finishes slightly dry on the palate. Not my style at all.

OVERALL: This is listed as an American IPA, but the look at feel resemble more of a Belgian pale ale. Overly carbonated, light and fluffy, the feel just doesn't help this beer's cause. If you're a fan of American IPA's, this won't do the trick. If you want a Belgian pale ale with a hop kick, this might be your thing. For me, I only drink this on occasion when I'm in the mood for something hoppy and there's nothing else around. Fortunately there's usually an insanely delicious imperial stout or barleywine available, so it's rare that I go to De Molen looking for a hop kick. Avoid.

Jeffo, Sep 12, 2012
Photo of rarbring
4.43/5  rDev +16.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The beer is clouded amber, has a large off-white head taht settles slowly and a bit unevenly, leaves good lacing.

The smell is citric, bitter oranges, grape-fruit, peaches and melons. Some floral notes, grass, pine needles and resin.

Some toffee and brown bread initially, then grape-fruit peel, oranges, and a good grassy bitterness.

Medium carbonation, intense small bubbles, a good body and a long dry finish.

A fresh hop intense IPA.

rarbring, Apr 11, 2011
Photo of barczar
3.53/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear light golden color with a quarter inch white head that dissipates into a film of foam.

Aroma is comprised of confectioners sugar, grainy malt, and floral hops. There's a bit of dankness and a hint of citrus present. Grapefruit, citrus zest, and alcohol surface as it warms.

The flavor is fairly subtle, with bitter, catty hops overwhelming the light citrus notes. Tastes a bit flat initially, lacking in malt breadth. Not quite as much flavoring hops as expected. Tangerine and coriander add complexity. Lime zest becomes evident.

Body is moderate, with moderate to low carbonation, which adds to the flabbiness of the beer.

Somewhat disappointing from a flavor standpoint. Lacking malt and hop flavor for the style.

barczar, Oct 15, 2012
Photo of FLima
4.28/5  rDev +12.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Hazy amber color with an abundant off-white head with good retention that goes till the end of the tasting.
Aroma of tropical fruits and citrus, hints of passion fruit.
Very well balanced beer, sweet malty flavor with a fruity and citric and bitter taste, presence of grapefruits and tangerine.
Medium to full body with a good carbonation and an effervescent sensation at start.
Had it their Op & Top first, which is also very good and then this, got even better! Excellent beer, difficult to say what to change.

FLima, Jan 13, 2013
Photo of vermilcj
4/5  rDev +5%

vermilcj, Feb 21, 2014
Photo of whatname
3.5/5  rDev -8.1%

whatname, May 22, 2014
Photo of duff247
4/5  rDev +5%

duff247, Dec 19, 2011
Photo of jazzyjeff13
4.1/5  rDev +7.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A 330ml bottle with a bottled-on date of May 14th 2012. Purchased from Trembling Madness in York a little while back, and stored in my fridge. Five hop varieties and two types of yeast - crazy...

Poured into a Delirium chalice. Bottle conditioned and highly carbonated upon opening. A hazy golden-amber hue with plentiful carbonation and visible sediment. Produces a vast head of fluffy white foam with superb retention; it resembles a meringue. This slowly reduces to a thick surface layer, leaving plenty of lacing behind. I wish I'd used my Duvel tulip instead! Aroma of fruity hops and Belgian yeast. Notes of white grapes, melon, mango, passion fruit, peach and citrus, accompanied by phenolic yeast esters, mild spice and a warming hint of booze. Fantastic.

Tastes of fruity hops and earthy Belgian yeast, underpinned by a hint of light, grainy malt. Notes of melon, white grapes, mango, tropical fruit, peach, citrus, fruity yeast esters, faint clove, phenolics, mild spice, herbs, stewed hops and a warming whiff of background alcohol. Dry and yeasty, with a stinging bitterness upon swallowing. Mouthfeel is smooth, spicy and tingly, with good carbonation and nice body. Stimulates the tongue and dries the palate. Aftertaste of fruity aromatic hops, Belgian yeast and a herbal bitterness.

Very tasty - lovely hop presence. More Belgian IPA than American, with tons of fruity hop notes followed by a more restrained yeast character. Dry and spicy; the balance between hops and yeast is carefully achieved. Lovely body - goes down like a dream. A quality brew, and an example of a successful Belgian-style IPA. Well worth trying if you come across it.

jazzyjeff13, Dec 02, 2012
Photo of Howlader
3/5  rDev -21.3%

Howlader, Jul 20, 2014
Photo of zonker17
4.25/5  rDev +11.5%

zonker17, Apr 29, 2012
Vuur & Vlam from Brouwerij De Molen
86 out of 100 based on 147 ratings.