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Rook & Vuur - Brouwerij De Molen

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Reviews: 32
Hads: 82
rAvg: 3.61
pDev: 11.36%
Wants: 5
Gots: 8 | FT: 0
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Netherlands

Style | ABV
Rauchbier |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: johnnybravo on 04-06-2010

Premiant hop & Saaz as late hop.
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Reviews: 32 | Hads: 82
Photo of StonedTrippin
4.25/5  rDev +17.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

in my eyes these guys are becoming one of the kings, and frankly have been for some time, ahead of their time really, and i am only just discovering so many of their awesome beers now. just fantastic stuff here, smoked imperial porter with chili peppers. not sure how old this is, but the peppers must have faded off a bit, as they are there in faint flavor, accent notes, but no heat at all, and its all way back. crazy pour like a lot of their other stuff, with a super tall mocha head of large soda bubbles and a dense chocolate brown color to the beer itself. the nose shows a lot of smoke right up front, almost peaty for a moment, wet and musky, with their familiar high gravity yeast in there as well. the peppers are way back, like in a dark chocolate bar, and bring out nuance without being a chili beer as most americans think of them. the flavor is really balanced between the smoke and the fire, which is what this label means. the booze serves to cut the intensity, and unite the elements. the yeast is again the star of another de molen beer, this time drying it out with a day old bread crust complexion and impossibly high carbonation. one of the things i like about these guys is their use of subtle european hops usually seen in pilsener types in these huge imperial stouts and porters. it gives the beers a very unique hop character and feel, and its common in several of their beers. these guys are pioneers, and while this one isnt my favorite that they do, its certainly up to the very high standards they have established with their other stuff. (1,568 characters)

Photo of Cheebacheebs
2.61/5  rDev -27.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Maybe the one I got was bad, but it tasted like sour cigarette smoke. I like sour beers and I like smoked beers. The problem is this taste like it shouldn't be sour. (165 characters)

Photo of His_Royal_Hoppiness
3.75/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Decent levels of smoke, more like cigarettes than smoked food. Chili is surprisingly dominant with some whiskey coming through. Interesting mix, but overly sweet for my taste. (175 characters)

Photo of BlazerT
3.5/5  rDev -3%

Black with low mocha head, Low to average lacing. The aroma is wood smoke, also meaty aroma, leather. I don’t feel chilli at all. The taste is also smokey, leather, soy sauce and sweet. Palate it thin, low carbonation. The beer is lighter than you could expect, due to sweet character very drinkable. Really nothing special. (326 characters)

Photo of dcmchew
3.7/5  rDev +2.5%

Pours pitch black, small tan head quick to a bubbly lace and some specks.
Smell of salty dark malts, smoked cheese, some peat, dark chocolate, faint vanilla, some dried plum, faint chili peppers (something like bell pepper pulp).
Sweet, a bit sour and juicy up front, did not expect that. A raisin and plum zing, even a somewhat citrusy note, quickly caught up by dark malts, roasted, grainy, almost bready, smoked, with a hint of dry scotch and faint peat. Bit of caramel and chocolate, too little. Some tobacco in the finish and mild chilis, not that bold, with just a subtle warmth. Quite a large amount of bitter hop too, especially for the style.
Light body, "wet", medium carbonation. Aftertaste has some roast, faint spirit and light peppers.
Not the smokiest of beers, rather light, same goes for the chili part. Easier to drink, but probably many people will find it lacking. (884 characters)

Photo of BierJager89
4.04/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A: Pours black with a light mocha head.

S: This one acts infected, but doesn't smell infected. Nose is a nice blend of smokey and roasty characters, with notes of scotch smoke, dark roast coffee, espresso and dark chocolate.

T: Taste is much more smoke forward, with just a little dark chocolate and espresso.

M: Full side of medium bodied with IPA-esque carbonation. Could stand to be smoother.

O: First off, I don't know that I'd call this a rauchbier. I'd call it a stout with peated malt. Second, if you like Scotch smoke with roasty notes, I'd definitely recommend it. I liked it a lot. (595 characters)

Photo of Bung
3.61/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz. Dark brown pour, super big head, bottle overflowed upon opening. Disappated pretty quickly though. Just a bit annoying. Light cream colored head is left.

Aroma, Some woody beachwood smoke. Lighter toffee and malt. Some of the typical Belgian yeast I detect in their brews. Improves as it warms, smoke more prevelent and yeast less.

Taste, A lot of woody smoke again. Heavy toasted malt, peaty and leather. Earthy, toffee. Could maybe use a little more sweetness, say caramel and chocolate. Still pretty nice.

Body, the weakest part here. The carbonation is just too prickly. Lessens the body significantly. Drinks pretty easy though, abv is non-existent.

Honestly my expecations are never that high for De Molen, the half Belgian half other style brews they do are always just a bit of a miss for me. This one however, is a strong representation for the style. If they could just get that carbonation under control. (928 characters)

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.28/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

330 mL bottle poured into a chalice. Bottled 6/25/2012.

Appearance - Wow, it's really overcarbonated. Can't fit this little bottle into a 500 mL glass. Overflow poured into a separate glass. Murky dark brown. Gigantic khaki head. Never goes away. Laces well and leaves a thick pillow.

Smell - Smoke and lots of chocolate. I dig the chocolate. The smoke is incorporated well, I thought it might be stronger. Slightly peaty and meaty aroma, too.

Taste - Much less smoke at the front. More caramel and chocolate. Not a really dark chocolate, sweeter and creamier. Smoke starts to build and finishes with a strong slightly briny flavor. Might be the remnants of peppers, which I don't get distinctively.

Mouthfeel - Way overcarbonated. Makes it feel light and detracts from the flavors.

Overall - After drinking a bit of this, I lost interest in it quickly. Not rich enough and the chocolate flavor dropped off. (912 characters)

Photo of schwemjw
3.94/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: A very dark hazy murky brown with a ungodly large light tan head.

S: Smoke and chili hit you like a punch in the face. slight whiskey character with tons of wood. leather and tobacco at the seams of this beer.

T: Fatty bacon and big wood characters jump out of this one. Hickory and peat. Smoke and whiskey. Caramel chocolate and bread. I tell you these flavors for me are coming in twos! a leather and tobacco with more smoke. a small hint of heat and chili spice. a slight bitter earthy finish.

M: Lighter than i would have expected. long lingering smoke.

O: wow. this is an interesting beer to say the least. good malt, great smoke, alot of earthy flavors. I couldn't drink alot of this but it is very enjoyable and would go so well with a nice robust steak or cigar. /88 (784 characters)

Photo of aasher
4.01/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This one pours a light bodied milk chocolate brown with a billowing three finger, very carbonated and active mocha head. Like most of their 12oz bottles, this one appears to be a little too carbonated. The nose is full of chile pepper, leather, and peat. It's very intriguing. I'm glad it holds its own on the pepper front. The flavors are smoky, dry, leathery, has some bark to it, and earthy musty pepper. It's interesting. It's peaty. The peaty characteristic is it's greatest strength. It drinks lighter in body than you'd think, because of the carbonation. It's effervescent. Overall this was a nice smoked beer. It was pretty well balanced between the peat, earth, and pepper. Solid beer from De Molen. (708 characters)

Photo of Sammy
4.15/5  rDev +15%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Fresh bottle at Volo release day. Outstanding smoked. Aromas of rich smoked malt and wine. Very rich malt, chocolate, peat, whisky, really tasty, with chiles in the finish.Good amount of retained head. One of the best beers I have had in last few months. (254 characters)

Photo of womencantsail
2.37/5  rDev -34.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Smoked beer with chili peppers...what could go wrong? Dark brown in color with an off-white head. Intensely smokey with lots of roasted malt, mild char, and maybe a bit of dark chocolate. Interesting, the chili peppers aren’t all that strong. The smoke is just as strong on the palate is on the aroma. A touch of peat to go along with all the char and ash. Maybe even a bit of glue, a moderate spiciness, and some burnt nuts. Not very pleasant. (446 characters)

Photo of endovelico
3.56/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The first impression upon opening a bottle of Rook & Vuur (which by the way translates to Smoke & Fire), is it's overflowing and indomitable dark brown foam quickly filling the stein and contracting like a tofu in an Heavy Metal concert.

I for one like foamers. Theres nothing more romantic that having a beer you've never had before tell you 'I'm a beer - And an interesting one at that!'

Anyway, the color is pretty much what you'd expect to see in other empirically 'stronger' Porters (Smoked, Robust, American, etc) while in meantime the aroma shows itself like a pudding of citrus, coffee, chocolate, bacon, earth, and a distinct 'something else' i can't really point my finger in.

The aroma isn't the expression of exuberance i was hoping for. It's actually kinda dull and 'closed' at best and plain muddy at worst.

Fortunately, the tongue doesn't really follow on the nose THAT closely. It's still muddy, but at the same time, surprisingly refreshing! Theres (protuberant) citrus notes(Lemon?); assertive chocolate, smoke, earth and some flowers. You definitely get the vegetable chili taste, and it works nicely, to be honest. But it's not too prominent to the point that i would single it out on a tasting without background information on the beer.

I'm surprised at the hop profile, as it's doesn't have the flowery Saaz (Premiant is a Saaz cross by the way) profile i'm used to getting, skewing heavily into a lemon profile you'd expect to taste in an obscure American hop or unknown Asian or Oceanic exotic hop.

It's coating on the tongue, with low bitterness and carbonation and not really spicy.

All in all, it kinda feels gimmicky and ends up being somewhat muddy and confusing (to my palate atleast). It does surprisingly well as a refreshing beer in the summer, though. (1,797 characters)

Photo of kojevergas
2.39/5  rDev -33.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

11.2 fl oz brown glass bottle with standard pressure cap served into a conical Guinness pint glass in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are below average - a smoked ale with chili peppers and chocolate? Bottled 18 August 2011. Imported by the Shelton Bastards.

Served straight from the refrigerator and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with extra vigor as carbonation issues are anticipated due to the brewery.

Not paired with food.

A: Pours a monstrous nine finger head of okay cream and thickness, and annoyingly good retention. Colour is a solid black. Plentiful yeast particles are visible. Sweet jesus this is yeasty for a rauchbier. No bubble show.

Sm: Pleasant baconey roast, smoke, vague peat, and whiskey (as opposed to whisky) notes. Enjoyable and inviting. Exactly what the style calls for. A moderate strength aroma.

T: Herbal notes (likely hop or yeast derived), a hint of lemon (?), heavy peat, whiskey, dark malts, smoke, roast, and light biscuity yeast. A touch ashy. Complex but not at all subtle. It's also poorly balanced, with a hodge-podge of malts not really cooperating. I don't care much for it. It's a far cry from Schenkerla. Where's this alleged chili pepper note? I can't find it.

Mf: Smooth, wet, and not at all creamy. Wrong for the style, almost entirely. Too thin for the style. Overcarbonated (when will De Molen finally get their carbonation correct?).

Dr: A very forgettable rauchbier. I'd never get it again. A high price for a low quality product. A disappointment from De Molen, but still somewhat drinkable.

"Enjoy within 4 years" me arse. This isn't worth pissing away cellar space on.

D+ (1,715 characters)

Photo of zaphodchak
3.75/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Super foamy. Light tan head piled high that sticks around. Dark brown body.

Thinnish, acrid peat smoke on the nose.

Lightish, wood/peat smoke. Good if thin. Smoke is a bit too acrid.

Mouthfeel is kinda too carby.

Neat, but lots of smoke and not as much body. (262 characters)

Photo of GONZALOYANNA
3.99/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

330ml bottle. ½ pint shaker glass. Enjoyed on jun´12. Pours dark amber in color, headed by dark beige, copious & rocky foam. Crown is lasting, creamy & flavorful. Shows aromas of roasted malts, burnt chocolate & peat smoked malts as well as roasted bacon & peppery hues. Subtle underlying floral notes. Sweet/sour flavor at first sip with intense burnt bread & smoky touch. Flavor seems to be smooth by roasted malts but spicy/smoky hues win the match. Suntuous bitter & kind oily palate. Medium body, moderate carbonation. Dry sour fruit/bitter finish. Odd beer! (565 characters)

Photo of CHADMC3
3.6/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

To call this beer a gusher is a gross understatement as the foamy, light brown head absolutely erupts from the brown body and really hangs around a while before dissipating a bit.

As advertised, this beer is quite smoky, with hints of the chocolate malt and chili pepper as it warms, but also a touch phenolic.

The flavor is equally smoky with more pronounced chocolate malt and chili pepper than the nose and less phenolic profiles.

Medium to lighter in body with outrageous carbonation and a smoky finish.

A fine example of the style with great flavor, however a bit too phenolic in the aroma. Certainly a beer I am glad I tried and a worthy adversary to other in the style. (680 characters)

Photo of thierrynantes
3.95/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Beer bottle (33 cl.) purchased from Clem's and tasted in 2012.

Appearance : reddish brown color with tan foamy head.
Smell : smoked aromas.
Taste & mouthfeel : roasted malt and wood, leading to bitter finish.
Drinkability : a good beer in the style Rauchbier (smoke & fire means rook & vuur in Dutch).
To drink at cellar t° with smoked meat. (343 characters)

Photo of smakawhat
2.52/5  rDev -30.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Poured from the bottle into my Dogfish Head snifter glass. Bottle dated August 18th 2011.

Appearance.. um ok.. let's call.. borderline ridiculousness. Ninety percent of my snifter is filled with foam that is going nowhere. It's like cellulose insulation in my glass. Seriously. I am looking at my bottle from which I poured. It's full of suds with half of it emptied. Body color is classic dark walnut brown to black. This is ridiculous looking, it gives me the impression it's infected. Finally settles down after a minute or so while I type this.

Nose is unique. Some rauch like classic smoke, beef jerky, but also some faint milk chocolate. Unfortunately, heavily phenolic, band aid smelling and too noticeable. Medicinal forward HEAVILY.

Palate starts off well, then finishes terribly. Hints off with classic smoke that descends into a mess. Afterfinish brings a giant novocaine blast. Seriously my tongue is numb as I am typing this, I feel the needle stuck in my gums. Mouthfeel is not too bad, slightly wet, but there's also noticeable heat here. When have I ever had a beer that NUMBED my sense? oh not until NOW! What joy is THAT?!?

Looking at the ingredients list, chilies? whiskey malts? umm where is this bouquet and flavor? This is a novocaine dentist office trip mess. I am craving a Schlenkerla now, this is not good and just makes me think what the heck where they thinking? Terrible, you've done better. I am scoring this overall REAL low, this is no fun at all and this is one of my favorite styles.. really dropped the ball here. Ok I admit using a snifter on this was a bit overkill, but the taste on this is a real disaster. (1,650 characters)

Photo of avalon07
4.08/5  rDev +13%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Poured from a bottle to a mug. Had a dark brown color and a murky texture. There was an absolutely massive, creamy, tan-colored, long-lasting head. Pretty good lacing.

S: As expected, a very smoky aroma, with a good amount of malt, too.

T: The flavor was dominated by the smoky quality, but that's to be expected - on some level it reminded of an Aecht beer. Also had hints of chocolate and caramel, and a surprisingly strong hops presence. A solid flavor.

M: A well-carbonated beer with a super dry finish. Medium-bodied.

O: Of course, a beer like this won't please everyone, but it is worth a shot if you like rauchbiers. (631 characters)

Photo of DarthKostrizer
3.52/5  rDev -2.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Look: Dark brown with a huge 3 inch tan head and great retention and great circular lacing

Smell: Smoked wood and like the name of the beer suggest it smells a bit like a forest fire

Taste: It tastes a bit like chewing on a burnt piece of wood with some chili pepper in the background. Unique to say the least

Mouthfeel: Medium body and very over carbonated with just a slight bit of heat on the finish

Overall: I could not drink more than a bottle of this but I must say it definitely achieves it's goal (508 characters)

Photo of soulgrowl
3.45/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Looks-wise this gives the overall impression of a malted milk ball; dark, thick, chocolatey brown with a big, sandy, beige head. The aroma is mostly a hickory-like smoke, molasses, Band-Aids, a drop of honey, and unfortunately little else. However, the flavor is nice, and has a fair amount of nuance, although it's too try and thin to really savor. Lots of chocolate, some whisky-like smoke, dates, walnuts, and oak – rich and savory. As for the chilli? It's there, but it's very, very subtle – at first you just get its flavor, which integraes well with the smoke, but over time it steadily builds to a satisfying heat that warms the whole mouth. Pretty good, but imbalanced and just a little uninteresting – there are similar and much better beers available from Mikkeller, Black Isle, and Rogue. (805 characters)

Photo of TheJollyHop
4.25/5  rDev +17.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a wine glass, bottle dated 8/18/2011

A: Highly carbonated (too much), meringue like foam, excellent retention. Deep brown body with ruby-like hues.
A: Heavy smoked malts, some roasted malts, and maple sweetness.
T: Mesquite wood chips followed by liquid smoke, which blends into wisps of semi-sweet chocolate, and finishes with a long duration of slightly sweet smoke. Chili heat arrives mid palate, and makes its presence known without disturbing the smokey/sweet balance.
O: I must say I am impressed. Chili heat is dialed in, the balance of sweet and smoke is on point, and the mouthfeel is excellent. Top notch Rauchbier! (638 characters)

Photo of oline73
2.51/5  rDev -30.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

I had this on-tap at Max's. Served in a goblet.

Appearance: Pours an almost opaque mahogany color with a layer of fluffy off white head that fades to a ring around the glass.

Smell: Smokey with some malt sweetness. Reminds me a bit of a band aid because it is a bit medicinal.

Taste: Smoke and dark fruit, the medicinal note shows up here as well. The finish is quite bitter with no peppers to be found.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tons of carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This beer is way too medicinal. I'm really not a fan and wouldn't have another. (563 characters)

Photo of rinhaak
4.6/5  rDev +27.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Bottle purchased at Maruhn's in Darmstadt, Hessen. Brewed on January 20, 2011, bottled February 18, 2011, tasted January 5, 2012.

Bottle number 167/432

Pours a dark, nearly black color with an enormous head; the beer completely gushed out of the bottle when I opened it.

Aromas of red peppers, green olives, chocolate and sea salt. There is something definitely salty about the nose.

The flavor nearly knocked me over. Very intense with tremendous complexity, I could easily sip and analyze this all night. It starts a little sour with a cherry fruit flavor, progresses to a nicely hoppy bitter taste, evolves into chocolate, oak, and smoke flavors, finally finishing with chilis and an overriding peat. This is definitely a dark roasted beer, but what surprises me is how balanced the smoke and peat flavors are. This isn't a smoked beer, nor does it taste like it was aged in oak barrels (which it wasn't). But their peat smoked malts add just the right amount of extra character to really take this beer up to the next level.

This beer really blew me away for all its complexity and uniqueness, while constantly maintaining the perfect balance of all its flavors. My particular bottle almost had a brett flavor to it's sourness; it makes me wonder if they did any natural fermentation.

Certainly worth drinking; track it down if you can.

As an aside, I enjoyed half the bottle with chicken molé, and the combination was fabulous. (1,440 characters)

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Rook & Vuur from Brouwerij De Molen
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