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Rook & Vuur - Brouwerij De Molen

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62 Ratings
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Ratings: 62
Reviews: 27
rAvg: 3.51
pDev: 21.37%
Wants: 2
Gots: 8 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
Rauchbier |  8.20% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Premiant hop & Saaz as late hop.

(Beer added by: johnnybravo on 04-06-2010)
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Photo of Sammy
4.18/5  rDev +19.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Fresh bottle at Volo release day. Outstanding smoked. Aromas of rich smoked malt and wine. Very rich malt, chocolate, peat, whisky, really tasty, with chiles in the finish.Good amount of retained head. One of the best beers I have had in last few months.

Sammy, Sep 23, 2012
Photo of GRG1313
4/5  rDev +14%

GRG1313, May 06, 2012
Photo of womencantsail
2.38/5  rDev -32.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Smoked beer with chili peppers...what could go wrong? Dark brown in color with an off-white head. Intensely smokey with lots of roasted malt, mild char, and maybe a bit of dark chocolate. Interesting, the chili peppers aren’t all that strong. The smoke is just as strong on the palate is on the aroma. A touch of peat to go along with all the char and ash. Maybe even a bit of glue, a moderate spiciness, and some burnt nuts. Not very pleasant.

womencantsail, Jul 03, 2012
Photo of westcoastbeerlvr
1.75/5  rDev -50.1%

westcoastbeerlvr, Mar 29, 2012
Photo of TMoney2591
4.2/5  rDev +19.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Served in a Chimay chalice at Local Option.

It's funny: I came to the Local Option looking to try a different De Molen smoked beer, only to find it kicked and this one freshly tapped. Fair trade to me. It pours a dark black-brown topped by a finger of cream-white foam. The nose comprises campfire, smoked honey-baked ham, caramel and toffee. This is what I'm talkin' 'bout right here! Tasty. The taste brings in more of the same, with a lighter bit of toffee and more of a beech-leaning smoke, as opposed to the woodsier campfire of the smell. Still pretty tasty. The body is a light medium, with a very light moderate carbonation and a slick feel. Overall, a damn fine bit o' smoky goodness. Good times.

TMoney2591, Jan 05, 2012
Photo of JAHMUR
4/5  rDev +14%

JAHMUR, Mar 09, 2012
Photo of MasterSki
3.9/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to Eric (TurdFurgison) for sharing this with me. 750ml bottle - #267 of 498. Served in a Heady Topper glass.

A - Finger of tan foam that settles to a thin cap, leaving splotchy lace. Brown body with some transparency at the fringes.

S - Smoke, some light chili peppery notes, bock-esque malt sweetness.

T - Taste is much more heavily peated, with some char and ash. Not nearly as sweet as the nose implied.

M - This is overcarbonated, and has a thin medium-light body. Some dry smokiness in the finish. Alcohol is well-hidden.

D - It's a nice smoked beer that is hampered by a weak mouthfeel. I'd try this again on-tap if I saw it at Local Option or one of the few other bars that have De Molen kegs.

MasterSki, May 02, 2011
Photo of oline73
2.5/5  rDev -28.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

I had this on-tap at Max's. Served in a goblet.

Appearance: Pours an almost opaque mahogany color with a layer of fluffy off white head that fades to a ring around the glass.

Smell: Smokey with some malt sweetness. Reminds me a bit of a band aid because it is a bit medicinal.

Taste: Smoke and dark fruit, the medicinal note shows up here as well. The finish is quite bitter with no peppers to be found.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tons of carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This beer is way too medicinal. I'm really not a fan and wouldn't have another.

oline73, Jan 20, 2012
Photo of MarkyMOD
4/5  rDev +14%

MarkyMOD, Aug 15, 2012
Photo of kojevergas
2.33/5  rDev -33.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

11.2 fl oz brown glass bottle with standard pressure cap served into a conical Guinness pint glass in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are below average - a smoked ale with chili peppers and chocolate? Bottled 18 August 2011. Imported by the Shelton Bastards.

Served straight from the refrigerator and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with extra vigor as carbonation issues are anticipated due to the brewery.

Not paired with food.

A: Pours a monstrous nine finger head of okay cream and thickness, and annoyingly good retention. Colour is a solid black. Plentiful yeast particles are visible. Sweet jesus this is yeasty for a rauchbier. No bubble show.

Sm: Pleasant baconey roast, smoke, vague peat, and whiskey (as opposed to whisky) notes. Enjoyable and inviting. Exactly what the style calls for. A moderate strength aroma.

T: Herbal notes (likely hop or yeast derived), a hint of lemon (?), heavy peat, whiskey, dark malts, smoke, roast, and light biscuity yeast. A touch ashy. Complex but not at all subtle. It's also poorly balanced, with a hodge-podge of malts not really cooperating. I don't care much for it. It's a far cry from Schenkerla. Where's this alleged chili pepper note? I can't find it.

Mf: Smooth, wet, and not at all creamy. Wrong for the style, almost entirely. Too thin for the style. Overcarbonated (when will De Molen finally get their carbonation correct?).

Dr: A very forgettable rauchbier. I'd never get it again. A high price for a low quality product. A disappointment from De Molen, but still somewhat drinkable.

"Enjoy within 4 years" me arse. This isn't worth pissing away cellar space on.

D+

kojevergas, Jun 25, 2012
Photo of afsdan
3.5/5  rDev -0.3%

afsdan, May 01, 2014
Photo of smakawhat
2.5/5  rDev -28.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Poured from the bottle into my Dogfish Head snifter glass. Bottle dated August 18th 2011.

Appearance.. um ok.. let's call.. borderline ridiculousness. Ninety percent of my snifter is filled with foam that is going nowhere. It's like cellulose insulation in my glass. Seriously. I am looking at my bottle from which I poured. It's full of suds with half of it emptied. Body color is classic dark walnut brown to black. This is ridiculous looking, it gives me the impression it's infected. Finally settles down after a minute or so while I type this.

Nose is unique. Some rauch like classic smoke, beef jerky, but also some faint milk chocolate. Unfortunately, heavily phenolic, band aid smelling and too noticeable. Medicinal forward HEAVILY.

Palate starts off well, then finishes terribly. Hints off with classic smoke that descends into a mess. Afterfinish brings a giant novocaine blast. Seriously my tongue is numb as I am typing this, I feel the needle stuck in my gums. Mouthfeel is not too bad, slightly wet, but there's also noticeable heat here. When have I ever had a beer that NUMBED my sense? oh not until NOW! What joy is THAT?!?

Looking at the ingredients list, chilies? whiskey malts? umm where is this bouquet and flavor? This is a novocaine dentist office trip mess. I am craving a Schlenkerla now, this is not good and just makes me think what the heck where they thinking? Terrible, you've done better. I am scoring this overall REAL low, this is no fun at all and this is one of my favorite styles.. really dropped the ball here. Ok I admit using a snifter on this was a bit overkill, but the taste on this is a real disaster.

smakawhat, Feb 26, 2012
Photo of Alieniloquium
3.26/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

330 mL bottle poured into a chalice. Bottled 6/25/2012.

Appearance - Wow, it's really overcarbonated. Can't fit this little bottle into a 500 mL glass. Overflow poured into a separate glass. Murky dark brown. Gigantic khaki head. Never goes away. Laces well and leaves a thick pillow.

Smell - Smoke and lots of chocolate. I dig the chocolate. The smoke is incorporated well, I thought it might be stronger. Slightly peaty and meaty aroma, too.

Taste - Much less smoke at the front. More caramel and chocolate. Not a really dark chocolate, sweeter and creamier. Smoke starts to build and finishes with a strong slightly briny flavor. Might be the remnants of peppers, which I don't get distinctively.

Mouthfeel - Way overcarbonated. Makes it feel light and detracts from the flavors.

Overall - After drinking a bit of this, I lost interest in it quickly. Not rich enough and the chocolate flavor dropped off.

Alieniloquium, Aug 31, 2013
Photo of avalon07
4.08/5  rDev +16.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: Poured from a bottle to a mug. Had a dark brown color and a murky texture. There was an absolutely massive, creamy, tan-colored, long-lasting head. Pretty good lacing.

S: As expected, a very smoky aroma, with a good amount of malt, too.

T: The flavor was dominated by the smoky quality, but that's to be expected - on some level it reminded of an Aecht beer. Also had hints of chocolate and caramel, and a surprisingly strong hops presence. A solid flavor.

M: A well-carbonated beer with a super dry finish. Medium-bodied.

O: Of course, a beer like this won't please everyone, but it is worth a shot if you like rauchbiers.

avalon07, Feb 21, 2012
Photo of Evil_Pidde
4/5  rDev +14%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Pour is dark brown with a tall dark beige creamy head that slowly sets into nice lacings.

S: Smoke (obviously) and sweet malt. In the back there's some dark bitter chocolate.

T: Sweet roasted malt with lots of smoky notes. It tastes almost like smoked ham. There is a vanilla/chocolate vibe to it.

M: Aftertaste is long and holds smoky bitterness. Body is medium and carbonation rich.

O: Considering everything this is a pretty nice Rauchbier - complex.

Evil_Pidde, Oct 13, 2011
Photo of AgentZero
2.95/5  rDev -16%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

A - Dark brown beer with a pretty good sized carbonation head that left some spots on the sides.

S - Char, burnt wood, little smoke, lot of heavy malts, slight bit of dark fruit.

T - Taste is a lot like the nose, but it focuses mostly on the char and ash. Slight bit of dark fruit and a dose of malt.

M - A lot of carbonation, too much actually. Body is also too thin.

O - Not particularly good or memorable. Taste is too bland and mouthfeel is kind of a wreck on this beer.

AgentZero, May 16, 2011
Photo of Lare453
1/5  rDev -71.5%

Lare453, Feb 25, 2014
Photo of aasher
4/5  rDev +14%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This one pours a light bodied milk chocolate brown with a billowing three finger, very carbonated and active mocha head. Like most of their 12oz bottles, this one appears to be a little too carbonated. The nose is full of chile pepper, leather, and peat. It's very intriguing. I'm glad it holds its own on the pepper front. The flavors are smoky, dry, leathery, has some bark to it, and earthy musty pepper. It's interesting. It's peaty. The peaty characteristic is it's greatest strength. It drinks lighter in body than you'd think, because of the carbonation. It's effervescent. Overall this was a nice smoked beer. It was pretty well balanced between the peat, earth, and pepper. Solid beer from De Molen.

aasher, Nov 04, 2012
Photo of Bung
3.61/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz. Dark brown pour, super big head, bottle overflowed upon opening. Disappated pretty quickly though. Just a bit annoying. Light cream colored head is left.

Aroma, Some woody beachwood smoke. Lighter toffee and malt. Some of the typical Belgian yeast I detect in their brews. Improves as it warms, smoke more prevelent and yeast less.

Taste, A lot of woody smoke again. Heavy toasted malt, peaty and leather. Earthy, toffee. Could maybe use a little more sweetness, say caramel and chocolate. Still pretty nice.

Body, the weakest part here. The carbonation is just too prickly. Lessens the body significantly. Drinks pretty easy though, abv is non-existent.

Honestly my expecations are never that high for De Molen, the half Belgian half other style brews they do are always just a bit of a miss for me. This one however, is a strong representation for the style. If they could just get that carbonation under control.

Bung, Oct 29, 2013
Photo of DarthKostrizer
3.53/5  rDev +0.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Look: Dark brown with a huge 3 inch tan head and great retention and great circular lacing

Smell: Smoked wood and like the name of the beer suggest it smells a bit like a forest fire

Taste: It tastes a bit like chewing on a burnt piece of wood with some chili pepper in the background. Unique to say the least

Mouthfeel: Medium body and very over carbonated with just a slight bit of heat on the finish

Overall: I could not drink more than a bottle of this but I must say it definitely achieves it's goal

DarthKostrizer, Feb 18, 2012
Photo of ncaudle
3.5/5  rDev -0.3%

ncaudle, Nov 30, 2013
Photo of thierrynantes
3.95/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Beer bottle (33 cl.) purchased from Clem's and tasted in 2012.

Appearance : reddish brown color with tan foamy head.
Smell : smoked aromas.
Taste & mouthfeel : roasted malt and wood, leading to bitter finish.
Drinkability : a good beer in the style Rauchbier (smoke & fire means rook & vuur in Dutch).
To drink at cellar t° with smoked meat.

thierrynantes, Apr 28, 2012
Photo of kaelingirl
3.75/5  rDev +6.8%

kaelingirl, May 30, 2012
Photo of ktrillionaire
2.3/5  rDev -34.5%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Thanks to Eric for the share.

A - It pours black and fizzy, and has a very large amount of dark tan foam atop.

S - Smells infected in a medicinal band-aid type of way, and besides that it is campfire-smoky.

T - Tastes like smoky infected dark Euro Strong Ale. In other words, the beer tastes like Porter-meets-Malt-Liquor in a funeral pyre of tar and ashes. Alternatively, car exhaust would be another apt descriptor.

M - Thin, fizzy, badly overcarbonated.

O - Drains were invented for times like this.

ktrillionaire, May 07, 2011
Photo of BAsbill
3.25/5  rDev -7.4%

BAsbill, Aug 28, 2013
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Rook & Vuur from Brouwerij De Molen
80 out of 100 based on 62 ratings.