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Hel & Verdoemenis - Bourbon BA - Brouwerij De Molen

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128 Ratings
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Ratings: 128
Reviews: 31
rAvg: 4.36
pDev: 8.72%
Wants: 24
Gots: 15 | FT: 1
Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen visit their website
Netherlands

Style | ABV
Russian Imperial Stout |  10.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Dope on 08-23-2013

Aged for 20 months
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Ratings: 128 | Reviews: 31
Photo of riotontheroad
4.37/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2013 Vintage
This was complex and full of flavors. Big nose. A bit thinner than desired. Also, pretty hot after 2 years of mellowing.

Photo of Kurmaraja
4.35/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Bourbon, oak, cherry, lots of vanilla. A marshmallow feel. A fine beer if a bit hit in the finish.

Photo of AgentMunky
4.1/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4.25

Poured from a 33mL bottle into a Bear Republic tasting glass. Bottled 28 January 2013.

A: NO head. Shiny black and opaque.

S: Coffee and dead yeast. Hints of sweeter chocolate dust.

T: Quite bitter, which is appealing at the moment. Hint of berry-sweet licorice RIS bitterness that's reminiscent of Expedition. The coffee topnotes never quite disappear though and pierce through the other flavors.

M: A bit flat, brief, and murky. Not great, but not terrible. Round.

O: The flavour is soaring, deep, and magnificent. The rest of the beer is less up to snuff. Still. Worthwhile, worth drinking, would drink again. Recommended.

Photo of SomethingClever
4.86/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 5

12 oz poured into snifter

A: Black as your worst fears almost no head with the pour just a mocha ring

S: deep rich roast, smooth bourbon, light tobacco, and some leather

T: Perfect...it follows the nose it's very deep thick roasty bourbon with such nice dryness it's tobacco tasting without it overwhelming it's bourbony but dry none of the sweetness it's amazing it's almost liked chewed leather with all the best things about chocolate, toast, bourbon thrown in.

M: It's not viscous but this beer clings and coats

O: This beer gives you bourbon barrel but stripping away the sweet vanilla toffee that you expect and gives you rich layers of the flavors you don't see much in BA beers. It's just amazing

Photo of KVNBGRY
4.47/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

Bottled 28/01/13 This is incredible. Roasted cacao nibs, subtle coconut and vanilla notes. This beer may have a close to perfect aroma. The body is a touch sweeter and thinner than expected. Carb is light, but right. I'm impressed. This is a top, top beer!

Photo of GarthT
3/5  rDev -31.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Black with almost no carbonation. Roast malts on nose. Palate is very sweet, almost sugary. Not much else unfortunately. Perhaps a bad bottle (dated June 2013)

Photo of Roguer
4.14/5  rDev -5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Extremely dark black stout, topped by a dark tan head. Firm, good retention, soapy lacing.

Big bourbon aroma, really dominating the profile. Some chocolate and roasted barley comes through. Some vanilla from the wood, and a hint of coconut.

Really smooth flavor up front: roasted barley without much bite at all, wrapped in a soft bourbon envelope. Strong bourbon notes take until the final 1/3 to really show up, and do so smoothly and sweetly, with a growing heat. Chocolate notes show up on the back-end as well. Tannins and tobacco on the finish, with a slight oaky sourness present throughout.

Shocking to see this clocks in at 102 EBU; it's bitter, but there isn't much hop representation beyond a slightly vegetal, earthy bitterness. Not a ton of bitterness from the roast, either.

A touch more chocolate as it warms. Smooths out overall very nicely.

Slick mouthfeel, medium bodied but quite a big beer, nonetheless. Bourbon aging provides a ton of heat. Very lively; almost too much sting to enjoy chewing, but not quite. Fairly long wet finish; lingering heat; bourbon and oak aftertaste linger on the tongue beautifully.

This is a very good BBA stout, especially for bourbon lovers. A stronger showing by the malt profile is all that keeps this from being truly world-class. I need more STOUT in my stout.

Definitely drink it warmer, or start slightly chilled and appreciate the change. This seems like a great candidate for aging.

Photo of Brabander
4.07/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

I like BBA stouts and this one is no exception. Great stout from my friend Menno, cheers! Very light alcoholburn but very drinkable.

Photo of aboyd87
5/5  rDev +14.7%

Honestly the best beer I've ever had.

Photo of Jeffo
3.94/5  rDev -9.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this at the De Molen beer shop in Bodegraven.

From a bottle into a snifter
EBC: 297
EBU: 102
24 degrees Plato

APPEARANCE: A clear, dark brown pour, almost black, yields a one finger, medium looking tan head with decent retention. Black body, transparent, with higher levels of carbonation evident. A splotchy wisp and ring remain leaving no real lacing down the glass.

SMELL: Lots of sweet cream and vanilla, milk chocolate, oak, toffee and butterscotch on the nose. Bourbon notes too, but the candy aromas come out much more prevalent here. Nice stuff.

TASTE: Bourbon, oak with some caramel and alcohol up front. Big and lingering finish with more spirit and wood, sweet vanilla, toffee and milk chocolate on the palate. Flavorful, but not extremely complex. Still, this has all the necessary elements in all the right places.

PALATE: Medium body with lower levels of carbonation. Creamy on the palate, goes down fine and finishes sticky. Some heat lingers. Like the feel of a lot of these brews.

OVERALL: Another good H&V variant. I don’t think this is quite as intense and complex as some of the others in the family, but it’s still a quality barrel aged H&V variant and can hold its own next to any of the heavy hitters in the style. Basically H&V could be aged in anything and it would probably turn out just fine. There are other variants I’d reach for first, but I certainly wouldn’t turn this one down. Cheers!

Photo of pants678
3.65/5  rDev -16.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.5

Black with no head of note.

Vanilla and bourbon.

Bourbon's not as pronounced as chocolate. Faint hint of sweetness, would guess that's stronger pre barrel aging. Like Arcadia's BBA Stout, could well stand to be kicked up a few notches. Meets criteria yet hardly a beer of superlatives.

Could stand more carbonation even knowing the style.

Photo of cpetrone84
3.5/5  rDev -19.7%

Pour is dark brown with dark tan head. Nose is pretty balanced with nice bourbon notes, faint peat and wood notes. Some roasted malt notes and hints of dark chocolate. Taste has much more peat and some interesting yeast notes. More malt complexity and and depth but a bit of sweetness through the finish. Milky chocolate and light roasted malt with brown sugar and malt sugar left over. Medium body with a creamy feel and softer carbonation.

Photo of Ohiovania
4.5/5  rDev +3.2%

Delicious. Bakers chocolate sweetness, toffee, bourbon with all of its vanilla, and a little sweet smokiness that lingers. Finishes just a tiny bit dry that makes you drink a little faster than sipping. Mmmm

Photo of cbutova
4.17/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Big thanks to my buddy Cheeks for providing me with this bottle, always been meaning to try more of this series.

A- 12oz bottle poured to a snifter with a black, but not pitch black body. A tiny head forms only for a few moments before falling fast to a small, frothy ring. Lacing is spotty and rare.

S- Prominent aromas jump out of the glass with notes of deeply roasted malts, sweet dark sugars, candied raisins, bourbon soaked oak, vanilla and just a touch of alcohol. The dark fruits and sweetness bring an Old Ale factor into play that I find in high ABV Bruery beers.

T- Trifecta balance of Bourbon soaked toasted oak, dark roast grains and caramelized, sugar soaked raisins. The flavor drinks huge but the alcohol doesn't come into play, just rich if that makes sense. Notes of burnt cereal grains, dried dark fruits, cherry, vanilla sweetness, whiskey, oxidized caramel ala Old Ale, prunes and wood.

MF- Super thick bodied and oily like an Old Ale or syrupy Stout. Carbonation at a low-medium level but appropriate considering the decadence. Finishes warm but does not reach hot.

Sweet but in a good way, coming from someone who is not a fan of overly sweet beers. The sweetness is matched by a nice alcohol warming, Bourbon soaked oak and raisin dark fruit characteristics. De Molen is growing on me, big time.

Photo of BMMillsy
4.51/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

Small format bottle from Tipples dated 1/28/13 poured on 3/28/14. Pours a thick dark black color with a small dark brown head. Beautiful fudgy chocolate bourbon aroma, caramel, vanilla, more chocolate. Flavor is lots of bourbon up front, sweet syrupy chocolate sauce notes, big burst of vanilla caramel on the finish. Huge thick mouthfeel with low carbonation. This reminds me a lot of BCS but with what feels like even more heft. Very nice...this just sits on the shelf here and I need to buy more of it (all of it?).

Photo of Damian
4.49/5  rDev +3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Drank from an 12 fl oz bottle purchased at Redstone Liquors, Stoneham, MA
28/01/13
Served in a snifter

The beer poured dark chestnut brown, nearing black once in the glass. A frothy, inch-tall, caramel colored crown topped the liquid and slowly faded to a thick, bubbly, lasting ring. Tiny droplets of lacing clung to the glass.

The aroma was smooth and robust. Intensely malty with the malts initially seeming more toasty and nutty than roasty. Sweet, plummy, dark fruit notes came through strong. Loads of raisins. As the beer warmed, the nutty, toasty qualities were overshadowed by intense bourbon and vanilla notes. The roasted malts also came forth, along with some booziness.

The flavor profile was also rich, robust and remarkably smooth. Lots of sweet caramel malts and raisin notes on the front end. Moderately roasty. Slightly nutty and toasty. Loads of bourbon and fresh vanilla bean. Good dose of brown sugar. Although the bourbon presence was intense, the beer somehow avoided being overly boozy. Fudge-y, dark chocolate notes really came forth as the beer warmed. The espresso-like finish was roasty with a hint of char, but still incredibly smooth. Like the nose, the alcohol presence became stronger with time.

On the palate, the beer was a bit disappointing. The liquid contained an ultra fine and mellow effervescence, which made the mouthfeel seem almost flat. Somewhat soft and pillowy. The sugars in the beer left a slightly sticky film on my lips.

With all the fantastic barrel-aged stouts being produced domestically, I typically shy away from these pricier imports. This beer however was definitely worth the splurge. Fans of both bourbon and vanilla would undoubtedly enjoy this greatly.

Photo of drewone
3.75/5  rDev -14%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Very sweet - seems like a lot of risdule sugar, odd bourbon charact er. Not that enjoyable. I had once before at a tasting (small sample) and rated it 4.25, otherwise I would have rated it 3.25-3.5. Had the regular version last night, like only slightly better.

Photo of Resuin
4.36/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from an 11.2 ounce bottle into a goblet. This was bottled on 01/28/13 so has a bit over a year of age on it.

Appearance: Pours a deep brown/hazel (near black, but shades of brown in there) and leaves a dark tan head of about a half finger which fades to a thin layer atop the beer.

Smell: Big bourbon, sweet dark fruits, candied plums, figs, raisins, molasses, oak, hint of roasted malts, dark chocolate. Big and sweet.

Taste: Not quite as sweet as the smell which is nice. Candied plums, molasses, roasted/smoked malts, light smoked meats, dark chocolate, plenty of oak.

Mouth-feel: Lightly carbonated with a medium body. Nothing too different or outstanding here, but it doesn't really hurt the beer. Beer finishes smooth.

Overall: A really nice barrel aged stout. Very smooth for the ABV, with lots and lots of barrel characteristics. Plenty of character, and even with how amazing the base beer is alone, this didn't disappoint.

Photo of papat444
4.25/5  rDev -2.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Says it can be kept for up to 25 years but i didn't want to wait :)

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, bottled 28/01/13.

Dark brown pour with thin foam but the sides are slathered. Aroma of bourbon, coffee, chocolate and roastedness. Taste is very smooth, sweet bourbon mixes well with creamy coffee; hints of cocoa. next to no carbonation. While the yeast isn't a factor, it makes it a different kind of barrel-aged ale, more mellow. A very nice one to sip.

Photo of BierJager89
4.89/5  rDev +12.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 5

A: Pours pitch black with a mocha ring of head.

S: A touch of vanilla, some oak, bittersweet chocolate and perhaps a touch of dark roast coffee and some alcohol in the nose.

T: Vanilla, dark chocolate, fudge, oak, up front, followed by some citrus peel, particularly lemon, finishing where it began, with vanilla and dark chocolate. Just a touch of alcohol, but it doesn't distract from the deliciousness of the beer. Very well balanced.

M: Full bodied, gloomy, creamy smooth.

O: This beer is amazing. If you like your stouts bourbon barrel aged, then I could barely recommend a beer more. Imperfections lies merely in the faintness and lack of vanilla in the nose and the taste being very slightly tart with a touch of alcohol. Very minute details, though, as this beer is nearly perfect.

Photo of GONZALOYANNA
2.76/5  rDev -36.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

330ml bottle. Tulip glass @ BierCab (Barcelona). Deep ruby color, cloudy appearance. Tan froth, lasting crown. Caramel malt, spiced aromas, hints of bitter orange & woody hues to the nose. Sugar & caramel malt at first sip. Medium body. Soft carbonation. All flavors & aromas are quickly overwhelmed by intense alcohol notes. Bourbon provides a harsh ABV sensation. Unbalanced.

Photo of KYGunner
4.44/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This practically oozed out of the tap as it had a thick body of jet black coloring. The head was a thin ribbon of foam with a nice creamy density.

The aroma was sweet vanilla and coconut with just a bit of coffee.

The flavors were more profound than the nose suggested as the coconut and vanilla were rich and robust. I also caught some chocolate malt a light bit of coffee an some smoky char. The Bourbon flavor is more an accompaniment and doesn't detract from the sweetness.

The feel is just as thick as the appearance would suggest with a deeply full swallow.

This is so well done and rivals any one of the Top 10 BA Stouts.

Photo of deadonhisfeet
4.56/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

January 28, 2013 bottling reviewed November 2013. Poured into a Great Lakes snifter. The beer pours out very black with just a trace of light peeking through the edges of the surface. Very low carbonation. As this is barrel-aged, I do not consider that a penalty. The nose has lots of rich, liqueur-like notes of vanilla, fudge, baker's chocolate, and bourbon.

Very full body and a nice, rich flavor. Lots of sweet malt up front, followed by some roasty, coffee-like bitterness. Right around mid-palate the bourbon notes charge in with their vanilla and oaky sweetness and alcohol warmth, enriching the flavor with toffee-like notes and pulling your chops into an irresistible smile. Nice bourbon warmth lingers on the finish with a hint of chocolate and coffee.

Overall, one of the better bourbon-barrel-aged stouts I've had recently. The malt, coffee, and bourbon flavors are the stars here, not dark fruit as in some others. The flavor profile of this one reminds me a lot of BCBS, except it lacks a bit of the body of that beer and is not quite as aggressive. Still, this is a wonderfully-made beer and the barrel-aging is very well done.

Photo of macher0
4.49/5  rDev +3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle to tulip.

A. Pours very dark amber - almost black - with a fine bubble light tan head that retreats to a slight rim of similar color and consistency. Low viscosity.

S. Sweet aromas of vanilla, toffee, milk chocolate, hazelnuts, and marshmallows. The bourbon/oak aroma is there, but not as prevalent as most ba stouts. Some booze vapors come out as the ale opens. Moderate fragrance.

T. Very delicate and balanced flavors. Not near as sweet as the nose would suggest. Major notes of dark malts, bourbon, bourbon-oak, and vanilla with a slight hop profile.

M. Quite thin with low carbonation. Full bodied. A little sticky. These traits combine to make this ale extremely smooth with little to no aftertaste.

O. A very delicate ale that has a great flavor and can go down extremely fast. An excellent ba stout. Kind of pricey at $9.99/12 oz., but worth a try for sure.

Photo of smakawhat
4.57/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.75

Poured from the bottle into a snifter glass.

Out of the bottle pours very chestnut brown, and hits with a dark walnut brown to nearly black body. Lots of red hues on the edges as well. Head barely makes a finger, almost orange with a tan light one finger tall consistency. It falls quickly but always maintains a very large bubbled collar and simple whispy top.

What an absolutely gorgeous nose on this beer. Dense giant cookie dough and caramel biscuits. Coffee aromas and dark bitter chocolate, roast malts and just incredibly complex. I can't get over this biscuit cookie caramel angle it's just unreal and unlike any barrel aged stout I've had. Truly wonderful and impressive as all get out, so much going on here.

Palate comes with a real nice amount of flavors. The complexity continues matching from the bouquet, thick and doughy cookie, matching with a sense of dark chocolate and caramel. This is like biting into one of those chocolate centered caramel bars only better. Finish has a bit of hop action surprisingly hinting at lime and pine bitterness. Lots of roast coffee warmth to match and dark malt crackling char. Mouthfeel is the only thing that surprisingly lacks, it's slightly wet but the flavors all still manage to carry through wonderful. Hints of piping black licorice heat and warmth to match almost zambuca in a way.

A real stunner of a brew, just filled with lots of incredible complex flavors and qualities. So much here to enjoy even overlooking the slightly lacking body. In fact it now reminds me of biting into a bar of Twix sans peanut butter.. only... 100 times better.

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Hel & Verdoemenis - Bourbon BA from Brouwerij De Molen
96 out of 100 based on 128 ratings.