Charbonniere - Brasserie Dieu Du Ciel

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Reviews: 54
Hads: 92
rAvg: 3.85
pDev: 5.45%
Wants: 16
Gots: 6 | FT: 1
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Brasserie Dieu Du Ciel visit their website
Quebec, Canada

Style | ABV
Smoked Beer |  5.40% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 05-03-2002

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Reviews: 54 | Hads: 92
Photo of Popsinc
3.87/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Ale Rousse Fumee, or, Smoked Brown Ale (in english i believe).

Unlike many of the smoked beers i have tried in the past, this particular offering was not a stout or porter. It was a brown ale.

The pour was a nice amber colour with a very small white head. The malt was roasted over beachwood prior to brewing and this is obvious in the smokey & woody nose.

The smoked malt was also prominent in the taste but not overpowering. Possibly a hint of smoked ham as well and i mean that in a nice way. This beer was not overpowering in its smokey, maltiness but rather it was nicely balanced and offered a good smoked beer in a lighter, easier drinking fashion. A nice woodiness in the finish. (696 characters)

Photo of Phyl21ca
3.87/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle: Poured an amber color ale with a large off-white foamy head with good retention and some lacing. Aroma of smoked wood with caramel malt in the background. Taste is also a nice mix between some deep smoky notes and smoked salmon with some lightly sweet caramel malt. Body is about average with good carbonation. Very well done with nice balance between the smoke and the malt bill. (388 characters)

Photo of plaid75
3.87/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On draft at The Blind Tiger, NYC.

Poured a deep amber hue with a half finger foamy white head. There was good retention and lacing.

The smell featured a meaty smoke.

The taste was upfront salty smoke with a lingering spiciness. A touch of thin grain detected toward the finish.

The mouthfeel was a touch thin.

Overall a nice smoke beer. God spice as well. (365 characters)

Photo of rodenbach99
3.87/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

au fût à la brasserie

belle bière cuivrée claire où un col épais et blanc trône, le nez de cette bière fumée est évidemment très fumé, mais très fumé, en bouche c'est la même chose une bonne pale ale, avec des goût de fumé très prononcé. pour amateur de bière fumée !!! (291 characters)

Photo of Derek
3.85/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

They actually import the smoked malt from Bamberg for its conistency & quality (they did try smoking the malt themselves).

A: Copper-amber, fluffy off-white head, some retention, good lace.

S: Smoke & spice, like a sausage (or rauchebier from Bamberg). :D

T: Bready malt, smoke & spice, underlying caramel, good bitter balance, slight grainyness.

M: Moderate body with a smooth/prickly opposition, moderate carbonation, some residual sugar but has a dry finish.

D: An approachable smoked beer. (508 characters)

Photo of Haydn-Juby
3.85/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

A: A clear transparent brown with a little bit of off white head.

S: Smoke. Delicious, delicious smoke.

T: Smokey malts come through as dominant, not overpowering but still pretty dominant. A little bit of some kind of sweet caramel malt also peeks its head providing a subtle change in flavor and depth to the character of the beer. Bitterness is also nicely done. Flavors of ham and other smoked meats instantly come to mind but the beer elements are still there proving that you're not just drinking liquid smoke.

M: The mouthfeel is nicely formed and its not overly thick or thin.

O: Pretty good beer. I found it a bit more potent than Aecht Schlenkerla, which has sort of become the front all smoked beers are now based on, for me anyways. Whereas i found Aecht sessionable or a everyday beer this was a bit more bold, but non the less an astounding beer and kudos to Dieu du Ciel for another great beer. (913 characters)

Photo of smcolw
3.84/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a neutral amber with little haze. Nearly no head nor lace.

Smells like a "saicisse" (sausage); yes, there's smoke but it's appealing rather than distracting.

This starts off malt but goes to all smoke quickly. Good body with a relatively low level of carbonation. This is a beer that'll grow on you. (307 characters)

Photo of 3Vandoo
3.83/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Belgian Dark Ale or Raunchbier?


Brownish, reddish beer who is quite limpid abords a great nice foamy head that kept itself long enought.

Smell of of smoked malt, smoked bbq flavours, smoke and woods with a shy hoppy and yeasty finish.

Tastw wise, the smoked flavours hits you but are quite balanced betweem the smokiness, hops and yeasty spicy flavours. Shy BBQ flavours such as hickory. Well balanced (412 characters)

Photo of peensteen
3.83/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reddish brown, ring of white head, some lace. Smell is smokey, meaty with lots of BBQ and campfire aromas, faint touch of peat, more or less a malty smokey affair all the way through. Taste is like the nose, smoke and malt, BBQ and meaty flavours, just a touch of lightly salty peat, more campfire aftertaste. Medium carbonation, medium body, good feel. Solid and worth drinking again, basically a second rate Schlenkerla which is quite the compliment for this style. (467 characters)

Photo of eat
3.75/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Charbonniere is an opaque, dark brown and maintains a good cover of bubbly cream-white head. Decent lacing.

Smells of smoked sausage, campfire, cardboard and dark malt with German hops and dark, fermenting fruit in the background. Fairly similar to Aecht Schlenkerla, though not as powerful or as well balanced. Still, quite nice.

Again, there are similarities to Aecht Schlenkerla in the flavour but it's not pulled off quite as well. Up front there is a good amount of campfire smoke, though it's pretty smoothed out. Other than the decent smokiness, there's not much of interest. Some dark malt which, again, could be increased. Dark, earthy German hops on the finish, along with a good kick of alcohol, which is too present for the ABV, feeling every bit of its 5.4%.

The feel is acceptable but plain. Your standard medium-light body with moderate carbonation. Slightly bitter finish, though not drying. Nothing special.

This could be even more drinkable than Aecht Schlenkerla, in spite of being a lesser beer overall. Especially drinkable as a smoked beer, I could session this if I felt like something smoky. This would actually be great to drink a bunch of while sitting around a fire on a cool summer evening. (1,226 characters)

Photo of TheDoctor
3.74/5  rDev -2.9%

SERVICE: Bottle
BOTTLED ON: 09/06/14

A:
Pours a clear ruddy brown with a finger or so of fairly thick looking beige head that never amounts to much. Meh retention; chicken pox spots of lacing. (3.5)

S:
Sweet and woody. Smoky with some think caramel smells and a touch of astringency. (3.75)

T:
Clean and malty. Caramel, wood, hard water, brittle astringency, lingering campfire feel/smell/taste in my sinuses. (3.75)

M:
Thin and coating with a lingering aromatic finish and a light body. (3.5)

O:
Pretty decent beer.
I find smoked beers to be a bit hit-or-miss, but was curious to try this one when it showed up at the store I go to.
It looks alright, but won't win any beauty contests. The aroma is good (Slim Jim's). Oh yeah... It is a pretty drinkable beer and has a nice aromatic quality to the taste. Neither the best nor worst (either from DDC or when looking at smoked beers in general).
Would have it again if offered; if you randomly come across it, go nuts, otherwise don't sweat it. (3.75) (1,035 characters)

Photo of MasterSki
3.73/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Thanks to Sean for this one. Served in a snifter.

A - White foam settles to a thin collar, wisps, and minimal lace. Very dark brown body that's transparent when held to the light. Could use more head volume, but otherwise quite attractive.

S - Smoked malts, honey-drizzled ham, a bit of cocoa. Not particularly complex, but on point for the style.

T - The taste isn't quite as good, as the balancing malt sweetness is a bit overwhelmed by char, smoke, and burnt malt flavors. Gets a tad bitter and astringent after a while, although it's still in the acceptable range for a smoked beer.

M - Zesty carbonation, dry texture with lingering smoke on the palate. Medium body, and predictably no alcohol warmth.

D - A decent smoked beer. I'd drink it again if there were limited options available, but I can think of plenty of smoked beers or Dieu du Ciel offerings I'd much prefer. Appreciate the lower ABV. (907 characters)

Photo of CrazyDavros
3.72/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Pours brown with a large lasting head.
Immediately noticeable in the aroma is smoked ham, campfire and bacon in large quantities. Underneath is some barely noticeable caramel.
The smoky character is nor as overpowering as a flavour, allowing sweet caramel, nutty malt and a soft roasty character to come into play.
Carbonation is a little full on.
Got nothing on Aecht Schlenkerla, but nice stuff none the less. (411 characters)

Photo of ludachris
3.72/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

The body is sludge brown with murky orange highlights peaking through. Quite hazy with miniscule bits of suspended sediment revealing themselves around the edges of the beer, where the light shines through. A good finger's worth of cream coloured head retains nicely and leaves brush strokes of patchy lace behind.

For a 5.4% beer, this one really packs a punch. Strong notes of pork, hickory, charred wood, sublte toasted malts and light caramel pour out of the glass. The meaty character is quite pronounced and borders being sweet. The caramel notes, subtle as they may be, play very well with the rest of the beer.

The sweetness from the caramel and toasted malts come in more forcefully, nearly eqaulling the beer's meaty base. Pork and hickory make their presence known towards the end with a welcomed smokey edge that asserts its presence for some time after the finish.

The mouthfeel seemed to be lacking most, taking away from what could have been a hefty and satisfying smoked beer by being both thin and watery with an underwhelming amount of carbonation. Easy to drink? Sure, but a fuller body would have made it a real pleasure to do so.

DDC would sit comfortably in my top 8 Canadian breweries but this beer doesn't do much for its position there. It seems to be one of those cases where a great beer was turned into a good beer by lacking in just one aspect; the mouthfeel. If making a fuller body entails increasing the alcohol content, I'd say it's more than worth it. This one's worth a try but can't contend with many other DDC offerings. (1,563 characters)

Photo of Yoonisaykul
3.68/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Dirty-white consistant head. Liquid is a very dark reddish amber with lots of bubbles throughout. Looks like heady coke. Lacing is great.

S- Wet wood ashes.

T- Smoke. A little sour. Also tastes like water and smoke so the smell isn't that far off. I wish there was more. I had this at room temperature and didn't find anything special.

M- Thin and carbonated. I guess it works well to ease off the smokiness but it makes it feel a little cheap though it does foam up nicely in mouth.

D- I've had a few smoked beers but never find them too drinkable. I guess this is one of the better ones.

EDIT: Since my review, I've downed a four pack of this and am really starting to enjoy it. I never wanted to buy smoked beers before and I just might be starting a craving for them. This is good beer. (799 characters)

Photo of Seanstoppable
3.67/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

First foray into smoked beers.

Pours a reddish brown color with plenty of head. Plenty of lacing left as well.

Nice smoky scent.

Taste is of more smoke, with some minor malt characteristics. Fairly straightforward. Finish is a bit dry, with the smokiness lingering.

Very interesting overall, but I probably wouldn't have more than one in a sitting. Best use would be as an accompaniment for food, such as stew or chili. Better yet, as an additive for making food, such as part of a marinade for the grill, or as part of a stir fry (which I used it in this evening). (570 characters)

Photo of leaddog
3.66/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Appearance - Pours a chestnut brown with a finger of bubbly head.

Smell - smoked malts, smoked meat aromas, campfire smoke.

Taste - Dominated by the smoked malts followed by a hint of smoked meat and campfire aromas.

Mouthfeel - Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Finishes dry with a lingering smokiness.

Overall - A smoked beer that has the elements in place. However, I feel they weren't used to their full capacity. The aroma I felt was far superior to the taste. (477 characters)

Photo of ADZA
3.65/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark ruby hue which leaves a two finger head that dissapates to leave an outer rim of lacing that also coats the sides of the glass,the smell is smoked ham,roasty malts and a touch of herbal hops,the mouthfeel is light bodied and has tastes of smoked malts,stonefruits,a touch of cherry,caramel and is finished with a spicy dryness and overall this is a nice smoked beer that lets the other flavours shine through but for me i like a little more smoke and in saying that this would be a nice crossover for the person who doesnt like a full smokey SB cheers. (565 characters)

Photo of Rutager
3.64/5  rDev -5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Big thank you to SebD for this and all the others in a great recent CANBIF box. Cheers dude!

Appearance. Pours a deep amber with some nice red hues, and a finger of creamy light-khaki head. So far so good!

Smell. Meaty, thick smoke. Almost has a salty fried pork fat thing going on. Just a bit of grainy caramel in behind.

Taste. Nice smoke, not too strong and not meaty like the smell. A bit of light sweet caramel malt and even a bit of herby hops in there ...maybe not, but there's a slight bitterness for sure.

Mouthfeel. Medium body, medium carbonation.

Overall. Nice for the style. The smoke is in check which is always nice and the beer comes through. Thanks again SebD! (682 characters)

Photo of biboergosum
3.62/5  rDev -6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz glass at the brewpub. I've had a few rauchbiers before, and this purports to be made in the same vein - oh boy.

This beer appears a clear, dark red-brick amber hue, with one skinny finger of surprisingly dense and foamy beige head, which leaves a bit of streaky landform lace around the glass as things slowly subside.

It smells very much of moist smoked wood, the sort just used in smoking salmon and pork, a further campfire astringency, and some generally subdued bready caramel malt. The taste is more meaty, smoky charred woodiness, wet ash, duly roasted semi-sweet grainy caramel malt, a touch of singed dark fruit, and ethereal leafy, weedy hops.

The carbonation is moderate, barely a blip on the frothy front, the body a solid medium weight, a tad oily, and maybe a bit cloying, but without much in the way of that airborne ashy character I might have been expecting. It finishes just a smidge off-dry, as that smoke in the throat, palate, and nasal passages is still rather hard to ignore.

I'm not entirely sure why this isn't classified as a Rauchbier, as the otherwise heady maltiness is quite thoroughly overshadowed by the ingrained meaty smokiness - does it have something to do with protected place names, or some other such nonsense? (1,261 characters)

Photo of oakbluff
3.62/5  rDev -6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On tap at the brewpub. I wias looking forward to this one. Standard amber colour with good clarity and white head. You can definitely pick up the wisp of smoke in the nose. Just like a recently snuffed out campfire. Taste is more moderate than I thought it would be. The smoke is definitely there, but not in your face or harsh. I don’t pick up much in the hop department, just a mildly smokey, easy driking amber ale. Would have been nice to spend more time there and settle into a couple of these. (500 characters)

Photo of Rastacouere
3.6/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

One of their most regular beers

Very inspiring light brown/red color. Good bouquet that doesnt quite reveal what you're going to taste, spices, forest. As the commercial description says : "The smoky taste is quite dominant at each new draught". We'd regret the smoky taste for long if it'd ever quit the mouth. and while it's so long-lasting, it remains comfortable and light with slight hints of salmon in the finish. This remains rather retrained for the smoke lover I am and imo not exactly Dieu Du Ciel's best take at the famous Bamberg style (550 characters)

Photo of laituegonflable
3.6/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a burnished brown colour with lacklustre beige head. Lace is something else - spectacular, letting me know this coal lady has a great body (what coal lady doesn't?), but head could stick around a bit more. I prefer my coal ladies to have heads. Body is clear with no real bead. Overall decent.

Smell is smoke-tastic. A lot of charred meat, bacon and just good old wood smoke on there. Slight cheesiness to it. Not a lot else, maybe a slight fruity tang, but yeah lots of meaty smoke. Simple but good.

Taste is quite charry. Has a slight spice at the front with mild caramel malt character. Smoke doesn't hit you until the mid-palate but then it's there, woody and meaty, with lots of that charcoaly, ashy, peaty flavour coming through on the back. Really cuts through that glazed meat character to leave a smokey bitterness that is surprisingly refreshing. I think I'm getting to the stage where I've tried enough smoked beers to "get it" and they need to offer me something special. This is a very decent example, well constructed palate.

Mouthfeel is a bit harsh around the edges but nice amount of body. Goes down roughly, but overall makes me feel alright.

Definitely couldn't slam a smoked beer at the best of times. This is okay, but drinkable is not the word that springs to mind. (1,297 characters)

Photo of Long813
3.5/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Dated: 02/11
From: Premier Wine & Spirits, 341ml

A: Opaque dark brown body with one finger of slightly off-white head. Head dissipates quickly into a thin ring and leaves blotchy lacing

S: Burnt wood, smoked meat and hints a caramel. This is weaker on the smoked meats than any other smoked beer I've tried. All the aromas in general don't come off that strong.

T: Caramel and burnt wood and some smoked meat follows. Flavours are also quite weak, but pleasant. Some nice bitterness at that end.

M: Medium-light bodied and lots of carbonation. Water like texture and leaves a distinct wood-like dry finish.

D: This definitely takes a different approach on the style. It's much easier to drink than the other because it's not as strong, but I feel like it's a little to weak. Good beer to try, but nothing else. (819 characters)

Photo of Foudebiere
3.44/5  rDev -10.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poor from a 341ml bottle.

A: Nice brown beer with almost not head, I didn't have time to taste it.
S: Smoke, smoke, smoke!!!
T: Of course the primary taste is smoke, but it's not overbearing like the smell could let us think. It's a little sweet at the end.
MF: It seems that I have ashes in my mouth, but surprisingly, it's good! (331 characters)

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