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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)

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3,339 Ratings
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Ratings: 3,339
Reviews: 1,084
rAvg: 4.01
pDev: 10.97%
Wants: 125
Gots: 596 | FT: 44
Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  9.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
50 IBU
Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

(Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 08-31-2005)
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Ratings: 3,339 | Reviews: 1,084 | Display Reviews Only:
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Nichols33

Massachusetts

2.25/5  rDev -43.9%

05-23-2014 23:32:06 | More by Nichols33
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heddar33

Pennsylvania

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

11-21-2012 21:22:33 | More by heddar33
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raymo55

Michigan

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

12-21-2011 00:17:22 | More by raymo55
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Klealynn


2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

07-05-2014 19:37:31 | More by Klealynn
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protton

Florida

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

06-14-2013 18:36:54 | More by protton
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Nihilistkid

Illinois

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

04-12-2014 07:21:36 | More by Nihilistkid
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AmandaSchaefer

Wisconsin

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

05-18-2013 12:50:36 | More by AmandaSchaefer
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Kgristoff

Michigan

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

02-17-2012 19:44:16 | More by Kgristoff
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seeswo

Ohio

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

01-29-2013 13:37:39 | More by seeswo
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CaptDavyJones

New York

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%

08-03-2012 19:52:58 | More by CaptDavyJones
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CaptJackHarkness

New York

2.5/5  rDev -37.7%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2

From twelve ounce bottle states bottled 04/13/12.

This beer is a New style for me and I was not sure what to expect. Also, from the date, perhaps too old old ale! That said,
Aroma was a boozy, sweet caramel. Poured headless , cloudy ruddy body. Holding to light shows floating particulates. Taste is alcoholic and bitter/acidic. Overall : Nasty!

Serving type: bottle

02-05-2014 05:21:40 | More by CaptJackHarkness
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RichardMNixon

Pennsylvania

2.53/5  rDev -36.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Copper body with yellow-white lace. Enticing smells of oak, vanilla, toffee, and chocolate pudding. Taste is a let down. Reminds me of cheap bourbon: woody, stale, and soapy. Possibly the 'chewiest' beer I've ever had with a metallic twitch at the end.

Serving type: on-tap

06-11-2013 03:37:43 | More by RichardMNixon
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Murchmac

California

2.53/5  rDev -36.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Thanks to zealot for this suprise beer in a trade, I think.

Pours a thick Honey Brown with lots of floaties in this bottle. Didn't know or look out to see sediment.

Smells like an old ale but kinda boozy. Like the drunk at the bus stop.

This might not be fair because all those yeasty floaties are giving it a very bitter taste??!! Not too good in my book.

I think this might not be too fair because the beer may have been poured wrong, but good beer should be idiotproof. The more I drink the worse it gets, so it might not be me. No soup for you!

Serving type: bottle

03-10-2009 04:50:01 | More by Murchmac
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Steasy66

Minnesota

2.53/5  rDev -36.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 1 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Half a 12oz bottle into a small snifter

A- Deep garnet, zero head
S- Smells like a European macro-lager, really surprising for a beer this big.
T- Starts sweet, finishes crisp, a bit of vanilla in the middle. Not bad, just nothing noteworthy here.
M- Fairly thick, good carbonation
O- This beer is just bland. A big surprise from such a great brewery. I had a 3 year old version of this a few weeks back and thought it was terribly bland but figured it was past its prime. Its a bit better fresh, but not much.

Serving type: bottle

05-09-2012 05:50:12 | More by Steasy66
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dedrinker

Kansas

2.55/5  rDev -36.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 1.5

Dark amber color. I smelled like caramel and cocoa butter.

The flavor was a mash up of Nutella, vanilla, cheap milk chocolate and caramel, more cocoa butter, macadamia nuts etc.

Full bodied, and the finish just kept bringing on the flaver mentioned above to make a beer that I had to dump out.

the over all impression was one of numerous artificial flavors.

I bought two bottles, and I refuse to touch the other one.

Serving type: bottle

01-09-2010 05:25:19 | More by dedrinker
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BlindPig

Pennsylvania

2.55/5  rDev -36.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

A- Thin off white head. Cloudy brown body with a bit of amber in it. Basically no lacing.
S- Strong alcohol. Almost like perfume. Some rich fruits and other rich smells. Can't really pin point it since it's not a pleasant smell at all.
T- The taste really follows the smell. Not in a bad way. Light alcohol. Has the perfume taste. It's really different and not to good.
M- Medium to full body very light carbonation.
D- Don't like this at all and don't see me making it all the way through.

Serving type: bottle

10-21-2006 07:14:10 | More by BlindPig
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Minkybut

Virginia

2.55/5  rDev -36.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

I poured this awful beer into my tumbler at 45 degrees. The beer was the color of gasoline. The beer poured with no head at all. The beer smelled sour and had a sour taste that was not pleasant at all. Little bit of a burn to it and earthy tasting. I will not buy again.

Serving type: bottle

12-17-2009 22:29:19 | More by Minkybut
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corby112

Pennsylvania

2.6/5  rDev -35.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Pours a murky dark chestnut brown color with a slightly yellowish jaundiced looking hues with a thin beige head that quickly disappears leaving no lacing.

Very earthy, swampy aroma with a little bit of creek water and old boot. Slight chocolate maltiness with subtle hops and a sweet alcohol presence which is very strong.

Again, the flavor is very earthy and leathery with a strong sweet alcohol presence, leathery maltiness, subtle hops, slight chocolate, brown sugar and dirt. There's also a strange vegetable presence with is quite unpleasant and a dirty bitter finish.

This was quite a disappointment for me especially since I love pretty much everything from Founders and enjoy the occasional old ale. I will have to revisit again in the future.

Serving type: bottle

09-04-2009 06:55:14 | More by corby112
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wheelinshirt

Pennsylvania

2.6/5  rDev -35.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 1.5

Excited to try this one for a while, not really sure what to expect. Picked it up at Abe's for $3 or so, poured into a pint glass.

Less dark than i was expecting, it looks like a mahogany color with lots of little tiny sediment particles, some visible carbonation and a modest light tan head that receded to a thin covering and left hole sections of the glass covered in solid lace.

Smell is boozy and full of sweet dark malts, some dark ripe fruit, some toffee notes. Pretty nice mix.

But here is where things start to turn ugly. The taste is immediately boozy and sweet, as expected, but the bitter roasted malts don't seem to meld very well with the sugar and alcohol. Also, the burnt toffee (i think that is how i would describe that) taste is pretty upfront and not really to my liking.

Mouthfeel is smooth and creamy. Pretty damn good, actually.

Drinkability is severely limited by the combination of flavors that I didn't particularly enjoy. Someone else, though, might have this same beer and absolutely love it. Definately interesting, i might even pick one up to age it for a couple years, but, fresh at least, it isn't really for me.

EDIT: as i got down about halfway and it had warmed enough it basically just started to taste like rum. Had to pour it out because it wasn't worth trying to choke down. Only the second or third time I have had to pour beer out. Very disappointing.

Serving type: bottle

04-20-2008 04:42:50 | More by wheelinshirt
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dino213aa

Virginia

2.63/5  rDev -34.4%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.5

Since I have no authority to speak on what an "old ale" should taste like, consider this a mild observation.

A: an attractive clear, burnished wood glow that fades golden near the edges. minimal lacing.

S: licorice, roasted malts, bourbon

T&M&D: This beer has a strong, bourbon like flavor that will smash you in the balls and give you a good talking too (especially at 9.8%ABV). Because of the strength of this ale- both in flavor and ABV, I can't imagine drinking more that one.

Serving type: bottle

07-11-2009 20:43:24 | More by dino213aa
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cokes

Wisconsin

2.65/5  rDev -33.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Rusty peach-brown colored with little head development or lacing and loads of suspended particles.
The nose brings dry toffee, apricot, pineapple. But these are all muted by the papery, peppery oak. This also brings sub-bourbon notes of vanilla cream, butter, and hazelnuts. Muted is the key word, as paper/wood/oak and grain booze are the two major aromas, everything else is fleeting, indistinct, and ephemeral.
Caramel shows up more in the mouth, along with walnuts, and peanut skins. Oak brings burnt butter, vanilla, and bourbon-esque black cherry. But once again, the flavor profile thins immediately. Oak is more responsible for paper and bland pepperiness. Booze is notable, and seems to suggest sherry, but is equally devoid of gumption. Late black tea and cigarette ash notes.
Full bodied, lowly carbonation. So, basically how an Old Ale should be. I wish this was the norm rather than the exception.
I feel like I'm drinking this through a flavor-filter. A 9+% oak aged Old Ale, and all I can experience is paper, water-logged butter-caramel, and grain alcohol. It's like that very last, weakest sip of a Beam of the rocks.

Serving type: bottle

12-17-2008 10:08:37 | More by cokes
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jsh420

Illinois

2.68/5  rDev -33.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

bottled 3/5/09

pours dark clear amber with small white/tan head that fades fast with no lacing

smell is all sweet candy carmel and alcohol - i could tell this was going to be a hot one

taste - i picked up some banana carmel and too much booze

mouthfeel was good light carbonation but not flat - body is on the a tad heavy and sticky

drinkability - not good this one need to sit a while

overall this beer is nowhere close to fresh old stock (which i love) but time might be on this ones side - i will check back in a year

Serving type: bottle

05-06-2009 03:29:18 | More by jsh420
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ThisWangsChung

Maryland

2.7/5  rDev -32.7%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

12 oz. bottle poured into a tulip.

A: Pours a burnt sienna color with huge, oily-looking chunks of sediment plopping down into the glass. That plus very little head means this is one ugly-ass beer - almost to the point where I'm afraid to sip it.

S: Quite strong with molasses, mint, and caramel, while darker fruits help augment the malt backbone. Pretty nice smelling, and a lot more promising than the look of the beer.

T: The flavor is hard to describe. The first sip is loaded with caramel, dark fruit, brown sugar, and a little finishing booze; a few sips later, the profile changes to that of slightly burnt pumpernickel bread. Not as sweet as I expected, probably due to the age of the bottle and the yeast eating some of the sugar - despite that, it's still a bit cough syrup-y at times. Kind of boozy, also. Just a weird, strange beer, one that I'm struggling to finish.

M: Thickly textured, with tannins helping to neutralize the finish somewhat. Nice creaminess to start, before the body itself finishes slightly coarse and sticky. Rather boozy feeling on the throat in particular.

O: Meh. In fairness, this is not a good late afternoon kind of beer, but I still found it rather mediocre despite that. A rare misfire from Founders, but it's not completely irredeemable.

Serving type: bottle

08-03-2012 22:13:16 | More by ThisWangsChung
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bspain5

New York

2.75/5  rDev -31.4%

08-10-2012 00:28:59 | More by bspain5
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sleepyteacher

North Carolina

2.75/5  rDev -31.4%

07-13-2014 15:25:32 | More by sleepyteacher
Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) from Founders Brewing Company
90 out of 100 based on 3,339 ratings.