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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)

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Ratings: 3,837
Reviews: 1,129
rAvg: 4.02
pDev: 10.7%
Wants: 152
Gots: 752 | FT: 48
Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  9.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 08-31-2005

Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

50 IBU
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look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

This is a re-rate. Got a funky bottle the first time, I think. Pours deep amber brown with a small yellowish head on top. Aroma is molasses, oak, HUGE malt, and actually a bit of dark fruit. Very low carbonation, and a thick viscous mouthfeel. Flavor is all malt forward with a definite oak presence. Sweet and sticky, with the sweet coming from a combination of caramel malt and some fruit flavor. Will certainly warm you with the alcohol, though it isn’t too assertive. I can appreciate the massive malt presence, but I’m not sure I believe this is "balanced", as Founders claims. Still not a huge fan of this one, but certainly better than the first bottle I had (that one got a 1.8). Up front it is a bit much, but it can grow on you a bit as you sip through

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4/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Doing a quick '11 and '12 side-by-side. Both poured from 12oz bottle to blank pint glasses. Scores will reflect the fresh bottle. The '12 was bottled 11 days ago. The '11 was bottled 386 days ago.


'12: Bright, clear ruby/tangerine with minimal beading. Two fingers of healthy, sticky slightly off white head. Lacing is evident immediately.

'11: A bit of clarity is lost. Head is much looser and less stubborn. Lacing is equally impressive.


'12: Toffee, vanilla, simple syrup, faint wood, definitely a good dash of hops.

'11: Seemingly more pungent... The same base notes are there with a hint of bourbon or some other sweet booze. No discernible hop presence.


'12: Quite nice. Fresh caramel and burnt sugar. Hops take a back seat to a wide range of malty bits. Booze is pretty tame.

'11: Wow, I don't think I could stress enough how vastly different this is. A whole family of tastes have surfaced - leather, scotch, some oxidation, sherry, nearly overwhelm the flavors that I appreciate in its fresher counterpart.


The '12 goes down much easier than its elder. It really is an entirely different beer. I was unsure if I would be too interested in the differences between these two but, alas. All in all, I'd recommend the fresh Curmudgeon over an aged version 9 times out of 10.

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4.17/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a deep rusty orange with a thin off-white head that disappears quickly.

Smell: Mainly orange rind and bourbon. Very sweet with some oak notes, some booze, and caramel. Very sweet smell, but not sickly sweet. I like the smell on this one a lot.

Taste: Very harsh woody oak notes up front. It is quite intense to be honest. Very spicy from this. Pretty smoky as well. The oakiness, smokiness, and a slight alcohol burn are very well in tune and balanced. Not really sweet at all in contrast to the nose. It is actually interesting how different they are. There is also a bit of citrusy hop bitterness. Very interesting.

Mouthfeel: Very good amount of carbonation for the style. It is very minimal but still good. A heavier than medium body that goes down a bit harsh.

Overall: A very nice brew that I will love to come back to soon. Many interesting notes going on that I love.

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look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Poured a murky reddish brown with a one finger off-white head that settled to a thin cap around the edges. Lacing is thick, bonded to the glass by a thick residue of fine carbonation.

S: A rich malty sweetness lays the groundwork for the nose. Essences of oak, sour pecan, vanilla bean intertwine to play with your senses.

T: Follows the nose. Malt! Boozy from the bourbon undertones, cola, vanilla, caramel. Flavor intensifies as it exists your palate and finishes hot and tangy with a kick of citrus and hops.

M: Smooth!! The ABV is nowhere to be found which is just how I like it. I could use a tad more carbonation to keep things fresh. Full sticky body.

O: I'm cellaring a couple of these to see where it goes. Overall, I really enjoyed this beer. The bourbonesque flavors were balanced very nicely. If all old ales are this good, I'm ready to get crusty.

Update 5/22/13 - Re-reviewing after 1 year on the bottle

Age on the bottle has only made things even more smooth. The flavors have melded together quite well. As I mentioned a year ago, the flavor begins smoothly then intensifies to a wonderful hoppy bite. I'm picking up on a little coffee as well. Carbonation is still on the low side, but who is complaining? Probably the old curmudgeon.

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) from Founders Brewing Company
90 out of 100 based on 3,837 ratings.