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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)

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3,391 Ratings
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Ratings: 3,391
Reviews: 1,088
rAvg: 4.01
pDev: 10.97%
Wants: 128
Gots: 609 | FT: 44
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  9.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
50 IBU
Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

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treyrab

California

4.08/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Huge thanks to Shane for throwing this extra in. I wasted no time chilling this and poured it into my snifter as soon as I was done reading corporate tax law. This is just what I needed.

A: Pours a magnificent ruby red with some dark caramel brown hues peeking through. Held up to my desk light I can see tons of brown, clumpy yeast floaties in the bottom of the glass. The head is about a half finger and tan that dissipates into a very thin ring.

S: Smell is spectacular. The initial smell is bourbon soaked raspberries with a caramel toffee background. Smell is sweet, but the bourbon and fruits definitely come to the forefront.

T: Bam! This one is flavorful. Tons (but not over the top) of bourbon notes mixed with the aforementioned raspberry puree, sweet caramel and toffee.

Overall, this is a great ale. I am not the biggest bourbon fan, but this one does it right. Thanks again Shane!

Serving type: bottle

02-19-2009 02:33:43 | More by treyrab
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jim102864

Connecticut

4.33/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Part of a trade with Hoppymeal. Cloudy, burnt orange appearance in my Chimay goblet. I poured a little fast which mixed in some yeast, not that I mind it. It's 9.8 abv in a small 12 0z bottle.

Not much of anything in the nose but what a buttery, semi-sweet flavor with a slight alcohol burn in the finish. It takes a while but a butterscotch nose appears as it warms. I like this. Slight butterscotch and vanilla and while the hops are muted, they add a tangy bitterness still. Creamy and smooth mouthfeel.

This could be a session beer if you've got nowhere to go and yer UConn Huskies or Red Sox are one the plasma. A real smooth finish yet well balanced and flavorful. A worthy brew that I hope to score again

Serving type: bottle

02-14-2009 12:34:54 | More by jim102864
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tmoneyba

Ohio

4.33/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured dark hazy brown color with an average frothy brown head that mostly lasted with good lacing. Heavy sweet malty and small alcohol aroma. Medium to full body with a sticky texture. Heavy sweet flavor with a heavy bitter small alcohol finish of long duration.

This is a standout beer.

Serving type: bottle

02-09-2009 17:34:53 | More by tmoneyba
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bjoyce12

Massachusetts

2.85/5  rDev -28.9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Overpowered by the bourbon taste. Not much carbonation, which could have offset the high ABV. Maybe I got an old bottle, but alcohol burn very present. Can't get past the bourbon taste, both in the initial flavor and aftertaste. Very much like Old Grand Dad. Founders must use some of their bourbon casks in the brewing process.

Serving type: bottle

02-08-2009 05:00:31 | More by bjoyce12
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ncstateplaya

North Carolina

4.13/5  rDev +3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

It poured a really dark amber that I wouldn't quite call brown. Extremely hazy on the fringes, and plenty of yeast floating in suspension (my bad for storing the beer on its side in the crisper). A very subtle head formed from a methodical pour, and no lacing was produced.

Smelled extremely sweet, a dark ripe fruit sweetness on the verge of candy. The malts smell creamy and mellow and are followed by alcohol. There are almost tart aromas that I have no idea what to contribut that to.

The alcohol is very forward and gives way to a buttery toffee flavor. There is a fruity aftertaste that pairs extremely well with the vanilla tones. The aftertaste is so close to vanilla candy I just can't believe.

The drying from the alcohol is great and is nicely matched with the oily coating feel. This beer is pretty creamy with just enough carbonation. The bitterness keeps the tastebuds honest, buy by NO way does it detract from the enjoyment of this excellent brew.

This beer is extremely enjoyable and delicious. I couldn't drink many because of the ABV, but I wouldn't have any problem drinking them until I fell out of my chair. A damn good beer, IMHO.

Serving type: bottle

02-05-2009 18:15:16 | More by ncstateplaya
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clemtig76

South Carolina

4.1/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Stubby 12 oz brown bottle picked up at the Charleston Beer Exchange. Poured a hazy orange amber with a very thin white head that quickly faded. No lacing to speak of. Aroma is wonderful combination of vanilla, bready malt and bourbon. The taste flavor is big and full with a coying sweetness with a hints of smoke, brown sugar, caramel malts and whiskey. My first Founders and definitely not my last. A truly outstanding, complex brew. Well done.

Serving type: bottle

02-03-2009 01:58:46 | More by clemtig76
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djeucalyptus

Oregon

4.43/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

pours into a goblet a glowing orange-cider hue with a thin head hinting at retention but ultimately receding quickly to a thin collar, leaving chunky sticky lacing sporadically down the glass. A fair bit of hazy sediment glowing through the glass.

aroma is incredibly rich once the brew is allowed to warm. Notes of scotch, raisins, plum, cinnamon, anise, alder and oak, cardamom, leather, smoke and peat. Rich, complex, dark. cherries, cassis and persimmon. Sherry and a touch of bourbon.

Taste follows aroma in a menagerie of complexity that's difficult to pinpoint, yet undeniably delicious. Rich dark fruits, a strong alcohol presence, and a woody, smoky, leathery earthiness. Cherries, raisins, figs. bourbon, a touch of sherry, and a hint of whiskey. Oak, alder, birch, sarsaparilla, a touch of ginger, pepper, anise, and cardamom. a bit of peat, loamy, earthy and rich. vibrant.

Mouthfeel is dead on for the style. Thick, rich, and full, with just enough carbonation to keep it alive. Coats the tongue beautifully without being too heavy. a perfect sipper with just enough bitterness to counteract the syrup sweet.

Impressive old ale. Definitely a nice interpretation of the style. a bit muddled at points, and a bit undefined at others, but all in all a delicously drinkable brew. I'm really wishing I hadn't just finished the last drop - this is one I could sip on all night. The alcohol, while strong in flavor, is really not potent in a cloying sense. Hides relatively well, making this one solidly drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

02-02-2009 07:21:10 | More by djeucalyptus
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JasonA

Massachusetts

4.15/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

in trade marvin, thanks!

Pours a translucent carmel. No head present. No real lacing. Uh oh

Sweet, deep malt. Slight hop character. Little citrus, some rum.

Earthy. Deep medium malt. ABV tastes great. Ends with oak and some bitter.

Well balanced. Smooth carbonation, not too sweet. Smooth hops throughout. Definately controlling the pallate.

Yummy. Doesnt look like a great beer, but overall I want to drink more. Cant get founders out my way, will continue to need to trade for em.

Serving type: bottle

02-02-2009 02:27:57 | More by JasonA
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JohnQVegas

Tennessee

4.05/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle into snifter.

Pours a very hazy dark red-brown, almost no head.

Nose is rich, prominent but not overwhelming bourbon note, clean dark fruit, toffee.

Front has some carbonation burn, with a rich malt note of toffee and molasses, vanilla and bourbon coming through also, and a light, balancing hop bitterness as well. The bitterness melds well with the dark fruit and light alcohol bitterness that tend to emerge right before the finish. Finish is lots of bourbon, lightly bitter, with a lingering overripe dark fruit and molasses richness.

Mouthfeel is lightly carbonated, sticky and thick bodied.

This one's a sipper, though I probably could have drank this all night if I was in the mood.

Serving type: bottle

02-01-2009 01:32:45 | More by JohnQVegas
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Itoclown

Michigan

2.85/5  rDev -28.9%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Purchased from Ladd's in Muskegon. Drank on January 28th out of a Duvel tulip.

Look: Dark red with lots of haze. No head.
Smell: Malty. Also, light hints of scotch whiskey.
Taste/Mouthfeel: The longer this one cools, the more it tastes like beer mixed with whiskey. It's thick and heavy. Hints of caramel and dried fruit... maybe some raisons? Smooth on the tongue.

Overall/Notes: This beer was difficult for me. Not used to this style. Plus the smell and taste weren't very apparent for a while. The scotch whiskey taste was overwhelming after the beer warmed up. And after a while the alcohol came out as well.
Not a fan of this beer and I think I will avoid it in the future. Least favorite Founders brew.

Serving type: bottle

01-29-2009 23:10:53 | More by Itoclown
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deereless

Colorado

4.05/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: The color of a coppery peach juice, lots of floating particles, minimal head - 4.00, S: Lots of heavy and ripe fruits, smell of prune juice, aromatically sweet from a solid malt base but with some noticeable earthy to herbal hops - 4.25, T: Hearty malt base coupled with a decent hop bite, though you sense the alcohol it is very nicely veiled, tastes like a rum soaked fruitcake that is heavy on the raisins - 4.25, M: Quite creamy and medium bodied - 4.50, D: I shouldn't be surprised given the other Founder's beers I've sampled - but this is a nicely crafted beer and one I would drink again - 4.00

Serving type: bottle

01-29-2009 02:17:35 | More by deereless
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Reagan1984

Massachusetts

3.98/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours with no head, even with a bit of an aggressive pour. Deep orange sun set color with a slight haze..

Aroma is nice ... some light vanilla, deep sweet fruits.. A slight earthy tone. Interestingly bright.

Flavor is very consistent from front to back. Vanilla to start... some oak? Then some layered malt flavors... onto some alcohol.. There is a subtle but sustained hop bitterness at the end. It's not bright and in your face like an IPA... but persistent and subtle.

There is a tight tingle to the carbonation that I find interesting... A bit syrup like and definitely a sipper. Totally drinkable for a 9.8% ABV..

You can sense the alcohol is there, but it does not get in the way.

Interesting... Not great, but interesting...

** I had the opportunity to have a year old bottle as well and did enjoy how it mellowed...

Serving type: bottle

01-29-2009 02:14:13 | More by Reagan1984
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damienblack

Massachusetts

3.5/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to JohnTravolta21 for this 12oz bottle.

Pours cider-brown with little fanfare. Minimal head and lacing. Smells like a hoppy, boozey barleywine, sweet and hoppy, and a little burnt malt or caramel. Something else dark and a little musty almost like tobacco on the nose.

Big sweet malt explosion, full of caramel and a stronger sense of that tobacco-like taste I got from the nose. Almost like coffee, except it's a harsher sensation. Tastes burnt without that flavor dominating, it adds sort of an oaked sensation to it. Also reinforced by a whiskey-like bite to it at the end, as well as a whiskey-smokeyness after in the throat. Hops bitter towards the end of the palate, there for bittering effect to balance out the sweetness, and don't really add the taste of pine or another particular hop taste. Mouthful is thick and syrupy, it coats the palate and doesn't want to let go. Big bodied beer. A nice sipper, but the heavy presence of hard liquors/alcohol, combined with the harshness of the other flavors prevent this from being more than that. I like the change of pace, but I don't know if I want to pursue this beer again, at least fresh.

Serving type: bottle

01-20-2009 03:04:27 | More by damienblack
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nick76

Florida

3.9/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The aroma is complex with butterscotch, sour-tropical fruit, caramel, oak, and a touch of peat. The appearance is dark amber with a medium head. The flavor is like the aroma. The palate is thick. Overall this is a very good beer. What I like about it is the unique, mysterious taste.

Serving type: bottle

01-18-2009 04:01:36 | More by nick76
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erosier

Connecticut

3.63/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A big thanks to Thomashardy for these!
L: Pours a nice cloudy amber color with a short and thin tan colored head that shows no lacing down the glass. Lots of yeast kicks up as you pour.
S: Smells of very sweet malts, alcohol, some vanilla, and a touch of caramel. No hop aromas to be detected.
T: Very sweet upfront with loads of vinous fruit tastes, vanilla, sweet malts, then it follows with some yeasty flavors, then it has a very distinct alcohol flavor, then a slight bitter at the end.
M: Very heavy, smooth, warming, and tad under carbonated.
D: OK, very alcoholic and slightly bitter at the end, but not from hops.

Did a vertical tasting with the '06 and the '08 and the fresher '08 had more carbonation and tasted fresher. I liked that one better.

Serving type: bottle

01-17-2009 14:52:11 | More by erosier
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scottbrew4u

Pennsylvania

4.3/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is an aged 2007 Curmudgeon I picked up at Flat Rock Saloon. Waited for a cold night to enjoy this one!
A: Dark amber color and hazy with mellow tan head that persists for awhile. Some sediment with this aged beer. Persistent tiny bubbles.
S: Aroma of dried black cherries soaked in bourbon, and sweet roasted malt with a touch of burnt honey. Some deeper dried fruit aromas combine with a hint of vanilla to smell delicious.
T: Burnt caramel and toffee malt sweetness with deep rich black cherry and dried currant esters. Some astringent chocolate malt bitterness is there midway. The follow up is a smooth vanilla bourbon barrel flavor which may or may not be intended. The vanilla is more apparent the further down this one goes. Alcohol becomes noticeable with this one. Not noticeable but for a hint of bitterness are the hops.
M: Medium bodied and smooth with small, sharp carbonation and a decent alcohol warmth on the palate.
D: Bang for your buck with this delicious beer! It has a smooth yet complex profile with plenty of alcohol to warm you on a cold winters night. Was glad to try this one more than a year aged.

Serving type: bottle

01-17-2009 12:15:22 | More by scottbrew4u
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Nipitato

Massachusetts

4.1/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Purchased a bottle at Julio's located in Westborough, MA.

A: Dark amber hue. Opaque. This beer has some serious legs.

S: Blend of dark fruits and vinous character. Some alcohol. Lots of caramel in here. Burnt sugar and grandma's candy jar round out the profile.

T: Very strong malt flavor - caramel. Plenty of dark fruits - vinous. Quite boozy, almost like scotch.

MF: Full mouthfeel. Smooth and slick. Low carbonation.

D, notes: Good sipping beer. Smooth and tasty.

Serving type: bottle

01-13-2009 18:01:29 | More by Nipitato
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PhillyStyle

Georgia

3.93/5  rDev -2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The beer poured a hazy dark red with a slightly off white dense, thick head with good retention.

The aroma was malty with hints of alcohol. The beer also gave off hint of sweetness, maybe some kind of fruit sugar and also some spices.

The taste has a heavy sweet malt flavor but was balanced well with hints of whiskey, which made me think that it may have been aged in barrels. It also gave off an astringent flavor, probably due to the high ABV.

The beer was rich, yet smooth, very creamy, nice bitter aftertaste, and easy to drink with a medium to heavy body. Not sure I would want to or could drink too many at a time, but probably could, but might be better as a dessert beer. Excellent beer, highly recommended.

Serving type: bottle

01-12-2009 19:19:25 | More by PhillyStyle
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wedge

North Carolina

4.13/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Dark, cloudy chestnut with an initially large, creamy head that's nicely sticky and bubbly. Dried fruit aromas blend with caramel and nuts, flowers, cherries, whiskey, and mild spices. Light but pleasant...like a dessert I guess. Much "thicker" flavor. A rich fruitiness mixes with a sugary maltiness right away. Wine and bourbon, cocoa and coconut, vanilla, oranges...lots of flavor, though quite sweet. Probably too much for me to want to grab another right away, but it's not really that kind of beer. Very smooth, although there is some texture to the full-ish body. I like it...a good quality dessert-like beer.

Serving type: bottle

01-06-2009 05:37:59 | More by wedge
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association330

Michigan

3.9/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Pours a dark amber with redish hues. Very little head, just a ring of foam left behind within a couple of minutes, but it does produce a bit of lacing. Unfiltered and hazy with yeast in suspension.

S - Sweet, malty, and boozy. Definitely getting some notes of scotch in there, and some floral hops. A touch of alcohol asserts that this brew is just under 10% ABV.

T - Starts with a sweet, heavy caramel malt presence. Transitions into a flavor of over-ripened fruit. Finishes with some bittering hops, a bite of whiskey, and a noticeable alcoholic astringency. A wisp of whiskey smokiness lingers on the tongue. The liquor presence makes me wonder if this was barrel-aged.

M - Thick, with average carbonation.

D - High ABV, and very sweet, but a good beer.

Even though it is not my favorite style, I think Founders has hit the mark again with this one. The whiskey flavors keep Curmudgeon from becoming too much like an average, syrupy Wee Heavy.

Serving type: bottle

01-06-2009 04:03:48 | More by association330
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aerozeppl

New York

4.13/5  rDev +3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Deep hazy copper color. Some suspended yeast was in the glass which is always nice to see in an old ale. Some lacing.

S: Hints of booze. Some scotch in there specifically. Tons of malt. Smells good for the style. Old Ales tend to just be super malty when fresh.

T: Very sweet. Hints of booze. Almost tastes like it has been barrel aged. The sweetness just lingers in the aftertaste.

M: Medium to heavy syrupy body. Felt a little thick at times.

D: A little bit on the hot side fresh but still drinkable. This is what you want from this style. I think this beer has a really nice cellaring potential. Too bad I only had the one bottle.

Serving type: bottle

01-06-2009 01:45:31 | More by aerozeppl
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Kraken

Maryland

4.15/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Reviewed from notes.

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a Fin Du Monde Tulip glass. Firm pour evokes little in the way of a head, in fact it pours looking almost flat. The Curmudgeon does manage to leave lines on the glass after every sip. Pours a dark and murky orange brown.

Nose- Rich aromas of citric fruits and sour apples great my nose.

Palate- Sour apples, toffee some citrus fruits, perhaps a little cognac. Lightly sweet, followed by a nice dose of hops, some sourness. Alcohol punch, long dry bitter finish, very very nice. Develops considerably as it warms.

Mouthfeel- Somewhat syrupy, very dry.

Drinkability- This is truly a sipper, to be enjoyed slowly.

Serving type: bottle

01-06-2009 01:34:21 | More by Kraken
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Blakaeris

Iowa

4.33/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours apricot-orange in color. Head is thick and soapy with slight lacing.

Aroma is caramel malt, nuts, and tropical fruit. Woody, with earthy hops.

Taste is malty and earthy as the nose suggested. Sweet caramel malt is prominent initially but is quickly eclipsed by the nutty earthy character. Light fruit, notably apple, apricot and melon. Finish holds lingering musty earthy hop bitterness and sweet brown sugar.

Mouthfeel is medium bodied. Slightly chewy.

A well made, complex ale. This is a winner with a great depth of fruit and earthy notes. Flavor is pleasant and unified, missing some of the alcohol harshness that is often present in an Olde Ale. In my opinion, this detracted from the score. Still, this is a tasty treat.

Serving type: bottle

01-06-2009 01:24:45 | More by Blakaeris
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bashiba

Iowa

4.5/5  rDev +12.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured a hazy orange amber with a very thin white head. No retention or lacing at all.

Has a big sweet malty bourban barrel smell.

The flavor is big and full with hints of sweet brown sugar and caramel malts, a thick smokeyness and cedar, vanilla and whiskey, plus a big citrusy and pine hop finish along with some old ale musty yeast to balance it out very nicely.

The mouthfeel is thick and warm, even a bit oily.

Another great beer from founders, they just seem to make one winner after another!

Serving type: bottle

01-06-2009 01:19:05 | More by bashiba
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ybnorml

Rhode Island

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A clean dark amber beer. Has a small off white head. There is a sweet candy toffee note that dominates the aroma hiding a hint of alcohol in the background. The sweet toffee note hits the tip of your tongue while the alcohol sweeps over the middle. The finish has a coffee/tobacco character and then the toffee and alcohol join hands for a smooth aftertaste.

Serving type: bottle

01-05-2009 22:20:59 | More by ybnorml
Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) from Founders Brewing Company
90 out of 100 based on 3,391 ratings.