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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)

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3,503 Ratings
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Ratings: 3,503
Reviews: 1,099
rAvg: 4.01
pDev: 10.97%
Wants: 137
Gots: 631 | FT: 45
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  9.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
50 IBU
Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

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TheQuietMan22

Iowa

3.85/5  rDev -4%

Serving type: 12-ounce bottle. The “BOTTLED” date on the shoulder is “04/19/12.”

Appearance: Poured into a tulip. The color is very hazy copper/ruby/amber. Two fingers of eggshell-colored head dissipated fairly quickly to leave trails along the glass and a bubbly ring around the edge.

Smell: Lots of molasses, toasted caramel, and dark fruit (plum, apple, and hints of raisin). There are also fleeting scents of port wine and booziness. It also reminds me a little of toasted rye bread with raspberry spread. Overall, though, the nose is pretty muted.

Taste: The first sip offers sharp booziness and the flavors emerge from the background. Burnt caramel and a little molasses are most prominent. The dark fruit from the smell is not as noticeable, but the oak aging does impart a little woodiness. Each sip leaves the mouth coated with a nice tingle of bitterness and booze.

Drinkability: To me this seems more like a Christmas/holiday release. The booze and the burnt/woodiness make me think of blazing fireplaces, Christmas trees, and snow. It is an odd little thing but is pretty tasty.

05-09-2012 03:37:55 | More by TheQuietMan22
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goblue3509

Pennsylvania

3.85/5  rDev -4%

Pours a very dark black like color with no head. The aroma is of a maple syrup and caramel malt backbone with dark fruits (raisins, dates, and figs) present and a touch of some breadiness. The taste is of a maple syrup backbone on top with dark fruits and some caramel with a slight taste of alcohol. The mouthfeel is thick with a slight amount of carbonation, it does sit a little heavy on the tongue. Overall the drinkability is okay for the style, it is very complex in nature and keeps you interested, a little thicker than some though.

01-19-2010 20:21:27 | More by goblue3509
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honestdave

Indiana

3.85/5  rDev -4%

Poured a 12oz bottle into a favorite ale glass

A: Old copper kettle color with slight head. Head fades quickly.

S: Sweet smelling like cotton candy with strong alcohol hit. This is an 9.8% ABV beer!

T: Just slightly bitter with a mild roasty and sweet aftertaste. The alcohol comes through as part of the aftertaste of this brew.

M: A medium+ mouthfeel. A bit syrupy in feel. This is pretty close to what I would consider full bodied.

D: Fairly good drinkability. Would like a bit more carbonation to cut the high alcohol and syrupy feel.

Summary: I like this ale for it's immediate alcohol slam. I'm sitting here on Father's Day afternoon and enjoying the good buzz as I finish this beer. I'm sitting in my screened in porch and waiting for my Old Curmudgeon neighbor to walk by so I can yell something rude at him. This ale brings out the best in me! Founder' remains one of my favorite brews for flavor, quality and unique variety of beers.

06-20-2010 19:10:59 | More by honestdave
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pinotboy007

Virginia

3.85/5  rDev -4%

From notes on 9/6/09 in Lexington, VA. Poured into a Pinot Noir glass:

A - Vigorous pour reveals a deep copper ale with a cream-colored cap and modest lacing.

S - Sort of like a Scotch ale; sweet leather, malts, mocha/vanilla.

T - Off sweet tea w/malt and peat; maybe even some banana and Indian cardamom. Seems a tad boozy. Not much heat.

M - Creamy and somewhat dense but still a bit refreshing.

D - The jury's still out; not sure how to rate it. I'd drink it again and I suspect it's better on tap.

09-11-2009 22:09:31 | More by pinotboy007
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BARFLYB

Pennsylvania

3.85/5  rDev -4%

12oz single bottle into a regular snifter late at night.

A- Curmudgeon is a dark amber color with some brown hints. Not much of a head but some tan foam reaches half an inch than fades. No lacing plus some sediment is seen floating.

S- This old ale has a deep smell of rich sweet malts giving off caramel, plus some burnt sugars. This years version has more of a hop aroma than I remember it, but they fade as this warms. Some oak/vanilla and dark fruit such as plum. A nice smell of raisins.

T- A really nice balance between the sweet malt giving off a bready vibe and dark fruits consisting of mainly dates and raisins. I got some hops on first sips but that faded as I got more into it. The little hint of vanilla is a nice touch. Some alcohol seeps through. Has some vinious hints here and there. Nice.

M- A very sweet and thick oily texture while this is somewhere above medium bodied. A bit of hotness from the alcohol but well contained for a near 10% old ale plus fairly fresh. Very faint bitterness from the hops, nothing major. A good one to let marinate on the tounge.

D- I usually take my time with big abv beers but this went down without a hitch. The alcohol is barely noticable in taste yet the flavors are just so full this becomes too inviting almost. Not my favorite founders beer but a great stab at the old ale category and worthy for repeat visits and slight aging.

04-14-2009 06:21:20 | More by BARFLYB
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TMB0424

New Jersey

3.85/5  rDev -4%

12 oz bottle poured into pint glass

Pours a murky, burnt copper body with a very small head that reduces very quickly. Leaves minimal lacing.

Smell is of vanilla, caramel malts, some citrus hops, sweet honey. Slight nutty/chocolate aroma as well.

Tastes of creamy caramel malts with an oaky, alcohol followthrough. Vanilla is prevalent, goes well with the rum-like flavors. Finishes with a slight bitter hoppiness, burnt citrus almost. Smokey aftertaste. The only downfall is that it's just a little too sweet.

It has a creamy, full-bodied mouthfeel. Very chewy and thick. The alcohol is definitely noticeable, as it adds a nice warmth towards the finish.

It's a solid brew from a great brewery - definitely a sipper. Like I said before, it's just a little too sweet in my opinion. I would only really 'enjoy' one of these in a sitting. I also rated it a little lower because if I didn't know any better (I guess if I was illiterate) I would have sworn this was a Barleywine opposed to an Old Ale - even though they are similar styles. Nevertheless, a very good beer.

12-29-2008 08:15:59 | More by TMB0424
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mothman

United Kingdom (Wales)

3.85/5  rDev -4%

Poured into Matilda Chalice

Pours hardly any creamy white head. Fades to a thin ring around the glass that sticks around, but no lace. Color is a robust burnt copper. Beer has sediment floating around in it.

Aroma: I get alcohol, plums, grapes, honey, raisins, figs, brown sugar, earthy hops. This beer is very complex, as it should be.

Taste: I can definitely taste the alcohol in this beer as it is quite hot. A lot of dark dried fruits, grapes, raisin, plums are here. Figs, brown sugar, raisins, and honey also present. A lot similar to the smell. I also get an apple taste as well. Hops are pretty much covered by the heat, but they are there.

Mouthfeel: Boozy, creamy, and somewhat smooth. Medium to full body. Medium level of carbonation. Ends with a boozy dried fruit flavored aftertaste.

Overall, I know this is an old ale and thus going to have a lot of alcohol, but the heat is just to much for me. I am slowly sipping on this one and it will take a while to finish. It is good, but I bet a few years might do serve it well.

09-23-2009 02:57:07 | More by mothman
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DaveBlack

Virginia

3.85/5  rDev -4%

A: Reddish-copper beer. Only a thin layer of head, but that has a long retention and leaves a good amount of lacing.

S: Lots of sweet malts, brown sugar. There is also a slight spiciness and oak aroma to the brew. Really a nice smelling beer, but not very unusual or complex.

T: The beer really shines in this area. I wasn't expecting so much flavor after the rather disappointing aroma. Lots of malts up front, along with a punch of oak, and a deep breadiness. The finish has a light amount of woody hops, with the lingering taste of both molasses and oak. Flavor definitely carries you through to the end.

M: Basically a meal in a glass. Thick and chewy, a moderate amount of carbonation.

O: Good beer. It's definitely not for the faint of heart. This is a big beer, with lots of flavor and a lot of alcohol. Even one bottle is a bit much. That being said, it has a lot of good flavor, and is quite drinkable.

05-25-2013 22:46:09 | More by DaveBlack
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jlandis

Pennsylvania

3.85/5  rDev -4%

The beer pours a hazy copper with one finger white head that slowly fades into a thin ring. The aroma is very inviting with caramel and toffee with a hint of sweet cherries and brown sugar. The taste is much more complex than I was expecting from the aroma. There is the predominant caramel and toffee sweetness with a great cherry sweetness. In the background there is a tobacco and oak that mingles with the alcohol to make a fantastic presentation. The carbonation is light and the rich.

This is a solid beer. I remember the first time that I had it I absolutely hated it, but now with a second go around and a better understanding of what an "old ale" is I can really appreciate this one. Perfect for a cooler autumn evening.

11-08-2010 17:18:37 | More by jlandis
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dragonWhale

New York

3.85/5  rDev -4%

a murky orange stirs, bubbles rise. A large pillar of foam rises in the center, gradually tucks away under itself to the sides. It is a stately affair, all the nobles are here. Foreign dignataries, the upper crust, Bono, of course, Bono. Stale and sweet fumes arise from the powdered wigs of the hallowed guests. Their breath is alcohol. This is an old ale for old money. A plate passes around the room, full or succulent grapes, fresh and dried, and dried apricots. Distinctly and with a stiff backbone, it slides down the throat, pricking with funk, the soul of James Brown. These old fogies can still get down. Get up (get on up). Long sweet finish, the harpsichord notes ring out, echoing in the high ceilings.

12-23-2010 05:31:26 | More by dragonWhale
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Dogbrick

Ohio

3.85/5  rDev -4%

Sampled at the Odds and Ends Tasting on 8/16/06: Dark amber/brown color with a thin beige head that starts fizzy but calms quickly. Thin spotty lacing. Aroma of whisky, coconut and dark fruits. Rich, smooth body with pungent malt, bourbon and other spicy alcohol flavors. The finish is all coconut and whisky. Definitely different from the norm, and seems pretty raw all around. I would be curious to try an aged bottle.

08-28-2006 15:08:53 | More by Dogbrick
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silentjay

Massachusetts

3.85/5  rDev -4%

a bit lighter than i expected with a nice sized light tan head made up of large bubbles that laces well.

rather light aroma of raisins, some vanilla and oakiness, toffee, and caramel.

flavor starts with raisins, dark fruits, a bit of a metallic sensation, but is smoothed out a subtle oakiness with some smooth caramel sweetness that gives way to a slight alcohol heat on the finish.

a bit thin with very little carbonation.

I thought it would be a bit stronger in aroma and flavor with a thicker feel, but its still tasty.

05-19-2011 04:27:32 | More by silentjay
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CHADMC3

Connecticut

3.85/5  rDev -4%

Pours a hazy copper to brown with orange and ruby hues and only a thin off white head that is nearly nonexistent just seconds after the pour although a thin sheet of lacing does exist.

Aroma consists of sweet malt and dark sweet fruits as well as a touch of brown sugar.

The flavor is similar but much more pronounced, featuring sweet fruits, warming alcohol, and an earthy hop presence at the finish as well as a similar hint of sugar.

Medium to thick in body and carbonation with a nice warming alcohol sensation.

Perhaps not a perfect representation of the style, but quite enjoyable and very easy to drink considering the style characteristics and abv.

11-04-2010 01:28:14 | More by CHADMC3
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leitmotif

Romania

3.86/5  rDev -3.7%

Man, this looks awesome. It's copper and dark and classy.
For it to be perfect, i would have wanted a bit of large sticky head... But, nevermind.

Smells of apricots, grapes and raisins. Warm touch of alcohol.

The hops kick in smooth from the first sip.

You still get brown sugar notes, grassy and fruity accents. Apricots and grapes present. Wood feel.

Unfortunately the high 9.8% ABV kills every flavor that you might want to follow. The experience ends pretty darn fast.

Too bad.
This could have been a really great one.

05-17-2014 18:35:28 | More by leitmotif
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Naters333

Illinois

3.86/5  rDev -3.7%

Poured into a snifter from a 12 oz bottle.

A-Pours a nice deep amber color with a nice bubbly head. Head is slightly off white. Has some nice lacing and good carbonation. Maintains a nice thin head on the side of the snifter as I drink

S-Not a very pungeant smell. Pick up some fruits, but my nose is so clogged right now, unless its just bursting with a strong smell, I'm useless. Will come back to this.

T-Alcohol, sweet, toffee, malts, burnt,complex,

M-Very nice. A sipper for me.

O-This is just a nice beer on a cold day. It is what it is. Not my style, but would like this to just sip on in front of the fireplace. Will come back to this beer for more in depth review.

03-07-2013 08:07:23 | More by Naters333
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oberon

North Carolina

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

Poured into a nonic a clear rich auburn color with a thinner but well sustained white head.Alcohol dipped fruit and vanilla stand out most in the nose with a hint of brown sugar,its warming at malt driven.Mouthfeel is a little sticky and a little thinner than expected,flavors are sweet up front with some cherry-like fruitiness and vanilla and the alcohol gives a little burn,there is a racey drying hop finish with is nice and balanced.A sipping brew, a nice warmer on a day like yesterday.

10-19-2008 13:19:35 | More by oberon
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Mantooth

North Carolina

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

Poured from a bottle into a Samichlaus (name dropping) snifter.

A: Pours with no head and very minimal lacing and a deep amber color, one of the prettier beers I've seen in a glass. It just looks like an amazing beer. There was a good bit of sedimentation floating around my glass, which doesn't usually bother me but it was a bit extreme in this case & coagulated in a nasty way. Is this a bottle conditioned beer?

S: Sweet: milk chocolate notes, molasses, alcohol (9.8%).

T: Loads of malt. Very smooth considering the high gravity, not too boozy. Some hints of oak and earth.

M: Medium to light body, especially since I anticipated it being very heavy.

D: What you'd expect from Founders, a very good beer.

01-22-2012 02:04:30 | More by Mantooth
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mikesgroove

South Carolina

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

This was a 12 oz bottle that I received in a trade a long while ago, but never got around to actually trying. Served at cellar temperature in an over sized wine glass. Consumed on 07/22/2008.

Poured this one out in to the glass and it looked like a Barley Wine at first. Very hazy with a touch of sediment in the bottom. Dark amber color with some orange highlight and a minimal head. Nice side glass lacing through and a good bit of carbonation could be seen streaking up from the bottom.

The aroma was charged with alcohol. Really quite hot this surprised me. Brandy aroma was dominant. As it warmed through it did get a touch better and ended up with a nice malty aroma. Nice sweet smells of caramel and grain, some cereal like tones as well. A touch of spice in the flavor was evident right away, but the flavor was a touch hot as well until it warmed. Nice oak flavor running through here, with touches of cereal like grains and a nice all around profile. Bready in the middle with a drier, slightly hoped finish, but most of it was drown out but the rum like tasty and peppery flavor that ended it. The feel was very nice, with a good carbonation profile that just would not quite, and a medium body. A solid sipper, this one took me a bit to be able to finish as there was no way that this was going down all in one shot.

Overall a very solid beer, and a good example of the style, though I doubt this is anything that I would really seek out, as there are some much nice examples out there. Still though if it were sitting on the shelf near me I would definitely pick this one up.

07-23-2008 23:34:17 | More by mikesgroove
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mooseo

Pennsylvania

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

12oz bottle into snifter.

A - Dark copper brown with some ruby highlights. Small off-white head.

S - Wood, roasted malts, vanilla bean, slight bourbon notes.

T - Dark fruit, vanilla, molasses, oak, and caramel. Nice balance and complexity. Sweet up front followed by a slightly bitter finish. Some alcohol evident.

M - Medium-full body. Smooth and silky. Low carbonation.

O - An enjoyable complex brew from Founders. Lots of flavors here, and they all work together well. This is a beer to sip and relax with.

06-24-2012 20:32:48 | More by mooseo
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ilikebeer03

Texas

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

12 oz bottle poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a nice burnt orange / golden brown with about a finger of head. This recedes into a nice ring of foam around the edges with some lingering toward the center of the glass.

S: I get a dark fruits up front. Similar to the way a quad would smell. Also, some oak, and vanilla.

T: Tastes good. I get a slight oaky/vanilla. Again, some dark fruits with a malty / bread backbone. I also get some slight chocolate notes which become more apparent as the beer warms. Did not initially taste any alcohol, but again, as the beer warms, I very slightly feel the burn. A bit of dryness in the finish from the oak and the chocolate lingers. Raisins are present too. Though, not strongly; between low and medium.

M: Good mouth feel. Not overly carbonated. I am not overly familiar with the style, nor have I had many examples, but I like it. A slight dryness from the oak lingers.

O: This is a very good beer. I plan on drinking maybe one every 6 months to see how it changes. I don't know that it is worth the 12.99 I paid for the 4 pack.

Overall a delicious beer.

04-25-2014 01:51:47 | More by ilikebeer03
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liquidcraft

Michigan

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

dig the color, rich amber with an off white head that dissipated in a few minutes to film across the top of the beer. Couple of whiffs I pick up hints of caramel, vanilla and some gingery spice.

There is an initial bite of hops that comes back on the exhale but soothed midway by sweet caramel, molasses flavors. I'm getting through this faster than expected, the complexity makes each sip entertaining to dissect. The alcohol is disguised dangerously well. Smooth textures, carbonation struggles to get through the viscosity. As an old ale I find it over all very interesting, I wouldn't drink this with a meal its pretty filling and it's got a lot of flavors going on already.

05-20-2010 00:15:54 | More by liquidcraft
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DrinkMoreBigBeers

Michigan

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

Aged bottle with a date of 4/26/12.

A - Poured out a one finger off white head that dissapated fast. Appears well carbonated with small bubbles streaming up. It is a reddish brown color that really looks lovely when held up to the light and gets a nice reddish dark ruby color. Slight lacing left behind on the glass.

S - Can you say malt bomb with sweet caramel, butter scotch, vanilla, and oak barrels. Not detecting alcohol at this point on this one.

T - Taste follows the nose pretty well with tons of malts - starting with caramel sweetness, vanilla, alcohol, toffee, and slight oak barrels. Still a little more boozy then I would like at this point being 7 months old. Leave an aftertaste of the alcohol, might be better in another year or so. However, still a rather pleasant beer.

M - This one is full bodied and really soft in the mouth with a good amount of carbonation to keep the flavors moving through your palate.

O - This is probably my least favorite beer from Founders, in yet I still enjoy it. I just wish it was slightly less boozy in the aftertaste. I will age some more of this for another year and see if the alcohol dies off. Could be an awesome beer with a couple of years on it, we shall see. Cheers!

12-03-2012 00:51:31 | More by DrinkMoreBigBeers
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anth0ny

Michigan

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

Curmudgeon from a bottle is a pretty deep red amber color, but light thin head and little lacing, which all goes away pretty quick. Smells *very* sweet. Smell is sweet honey caramel with some heat tingling the nose hairs. Very sweet taste. Honey is the dominant flavor, with traces of cream, caramel, sweet malt, and a touch of fruit. Quite complex. Sweetness is followed by booze for a hot finish. Very interesting overall flavor. Mouthfeel is warm and heavy, creamy-boozy, low carbonation. I like this beer. Not something I would get on the regular, but I'm definitely glad I tried it.

01-16-2012 04:47:08 | More by anth0ny
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WanderingFool

Massachusetts

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

Founders Crumudgeon pours a slightly hazy dark copper color into the glass. A small off white head on top quickly fades away leaving a ring around the surface of the beer and some spots of lace on the glass.

The aroma is oak, vanilla, dark fruits like cherry or plum, orange peel and alcohol. Each sip of this full bodied beer is smooth and slightly chewy. Carbonation is low to moderate giving a tingle on the sides of the tongue.

The flavor is much like a barleywine without all the hops. Caramel malt, oak, dark fruit, vanilla and molasses dominate. Also present is a citrus flavor of orange peel. At the end alcohol flavors move in which gives the beer a very mild burn as it goes down the throat. Once gone the molasses and oak flavor lingers on the palate.

This is definitely a sipping beer that grows more complex in aroma and flavor as it warms.

03-21-2009 20:15:19 | More by WanderingFool
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JayQue

Virginia

3.88/5  rDev -3.2%

Pours a hazy orange color with a small white head. Head retention is less than average, fading quickly to a light covering and then a ring around the glass. No lacing. I read a few reviews and no one mentioned dark sediment. I hope I didn't just get a dirty bottle or poured it into a dirty glass.

Smell is impressive, mostly caramel malt, noticeable while the glass is still on the table and much stronger when held to the nose.

Taste is caramel malt with an additional sweet taste - either mollasses or maple syrup. There is also a little dark fruit and spices in the taste, with a light alcohol bite at the end.

Mouthfeel is rich and creamy. Drinkability is ok, between the high abv and the overall sweet taste and alcohol presence, this is a one-and-out nightcap type of beer.

01-29-2010 03:12:52 | More by JayQue
Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) from Founders Brewing Company
90 out of 100 based on 3,503 ratings.