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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)

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Ratings: 3,693
Reviews: 1,109
rAvg: 4.01
pDev: 10.97%
Wants: 141
Gots: 707 | FT: 46
Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Old Ale |  9.80% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
50 IBU
Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

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Photo of homebrew311
3.95/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I've tried this beer a few times from both the bottle and draft, this review is on the draft version.

A: Pours a clear dark reddish amber. Almost no head to speak of, some slight white soapy bubbles, but nothing much.

S: the smell is very malt forward, with some sweetness, some vanilla, and a liquor like quality that I can't put my finger on (like bourbon or something like that). If I didn't know any better, I would think this beer was barrel aged.

T: The sweetness is up front with vanilla as the predominant flavor. There is definitely some booziness on the tongue, but the draft version seems more mellow than what I remember of the bottled version. There is a nice balance in this brew along with a richness. It definitely is warming and makes for a nice winter sipper. No perceptible hops.

MF: Has a nice thick body to go along with its high carbonation. A little sharp on the tongue. I think if the carbonation was toned down a touch, this would be a better beer.

D: As I said before, this is a sipper. It loses points in drinkability since it is only enjoyable in small doses. My serving was approx 10 oz, which was perfect. But anymore would have been overwhelming.

homebrew311, Nov 04, 2009
Photo of PartyBear
4.4/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Pours with a deep brownish red colour, a fast fading small off-white head, very little carbonation.

Aroma: The nose is very sweet, with toffee-apple, butterscotch, creamy caramel, and the slightest hint of alcohol. Really great aroma.

Taste: This tastes just like it smells, there is a sweet toffee apple right at the start, with smooth caramel, and creamy butterscotch. The finish has a mildly smokey character that lingers.

Mouthfeel: Heavy, chewy, and sticky.

Drinkability: The flavours are so incredibly well rounded and moreish that it is dangerously drinkable. There isn't a hint of alcohol in the taste, which for a beer that almost reaches 10% is a fantastic achievement. I love it.

PartyBear, Nov 01, 2009
Photo of srandycarter
4.28/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours dark honey, small lace, small head...not much head.

S - Caramel sweet. Hoppy outskirt.

T - Yum. Big caramel center, somewhat harsh alcohol burn, bitter hops do their job.

M - Medium bodied, good card, pretty perfect balance.

D - I really like this one. Can't believe I have not reviewed before.

srandycarter, Nov 01, 2009
Photo of Florida9
3.78/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

On tap @ Durty Nellies

A: Served in a snifter with about a finger of off-white head that leaves a nice bit of lacing. Deep brown in color, but still very translucent.

S: Beautifully aromatic. Scent of oak and vanilla. Quite boozy with a little sweetness. Reminiscent of bourbon barrel aged beers.

T: Interesting. Starts off sweet and alcoholic with a little tannin and a little vanilla on the tongue as well as the flavor of lightly brewed tea. However, the flavor drops off quickly and the finish is incredibly short for this style of beer.

M: Surprisingly thin. Medium carbonation.

D: Very good, but probably shouldn't be. I was expecting a much more complex, heavy-hitting style of beer with this one and what I got was a very good, but shallow and thin old ale.

Florida9, Oct 28, 2009
Photo of beerthulhu
3.9/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Poured a dark Brazilian cherry with a non-developing head and a good haziness of micro particles that drifted lazily about within the drink. Effervesce was limited to one or two bubbles visible at any given moment that rose at a fairly rapid rate to the surface. The coloring was perhaps the most intriguing here.

S: The aroma was quite odd and hard to identify at first. A fuzzy navel was the first to come to mind (a mixture of orange juice and vodka). Along came a fresh fruitiness of apricots, honey, and a sweet sugary grainy nature that was followed by a dry burbon backing that was light to medium in strength. Overall a quite odd, but intriguing aroma keeps you guessing and sniffing for more.

T: The flavor starts out with sweet sugary caramel and dry burbon. There is a fruity booziness at the very beginning of oranges and apricots that is sweet and brief before giving way to a dry caramel and dry burbon alcohol booziness that lingers on well after the swallow (4-5 seconds) creating a good warmth of sweet, boozy dry nature.

M: medium full, very slick and smooth texture wise with an incredibly light, almost absent carbonation presence makes this slide around the tongue with ease.

D: good, a bit boozy and dry drinking much bigger then its advertised 9.8% abv. Your not gonna be drinking to many of these at one time, best sampled by itself in a chalice or goblet at a moderately warm temp (55-60F) on a chilly winter night.

beerthulhu, Oct 22, 2009
Photo of movingtrain
4.22/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle poured into a snifter. This is a bottle I pulled from my cellar, and is about a year old.

Pours a cloudy light brown/red color with very little head.

Smells of whiskey, vanilla, pepper and spice, bitter apple.

Tastes of vanilla, cinnamon, cream, whiskey, oak, bitter fruit.

This is an excellent beer...very warming, but not overly alcoholic (in the taste, anyway). It is well balanced, malty, and has some very good oak and whiskey notes. It is pungent and delicious, and therefore one to be savored.

movingtrain, Oct 22, 2009
Photo of becktone
4.43/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 5

From notes 7-23-09

Eye: This beer is more or less copper in color, with orange, red and yellow hues. Clarity is real good, the body is very easy to see through. Head formation, retention and lacing are all lacking, very much so. This is the only thing that I think this beer could use some serious work on.

Nose: Huge nose here, as soon as it pours and is opened, before its even close to the nose, huge vanilla, oak, and sweet malt aromas hit the nose, also getting some brown sugar type of aromas from far away. When right up in the nose there is a dark sweetness in here that must be coming from the molasses that is used in this beer. Alcohol is well hidden. Big caramel aromas come out too, quite a lot going on. I get different characteristics with my nose right up in the glass and just sitting back with the glass about a foot away. Nice aroma on this one.

Tongue: Oakiness is apparent right up front, bitterness from hops balances this one out quite nice along with some lingering astringincy and dryness from the oak. Alcohol is noticeable but doesn't get anywhere close to being in the way of this beer's flavor. Molasses can be tasted. Vanilla tones come in more towards the finish of this one. Overall a nice beer, very good old ale, perfect for the weather out today-overcast and Fallish like...in July! Quite suitable for cooler days, just taking be back to simpler times, something like the four pack carrier says salty seamen etc, etc, tall ships, etc...-

Feel and Drinkability: Moderately carbonated and medium-heavy in body. I think that carbonation could be a bit lower and still this beer would work, if not work better. I feel that the carbonation here is just to aggressive, the bubbles are fine in texture, but they just attack so vigorously that I think it takes away from the beer a bit. At first its fine, its after the brew's been in the mouth a bit, somewhere around mid palate that they all aggressively break out and assualt the palate. I think it could be toned down a bit, but by no means is this a fault, but in my opinion it could be better. This is an extremely drinkable beer, and dangerous especially on a day such as this. 60 some degrees in the middle of summer, breezy out, refreshing air, the smell of fall in the wind...it would be real easy to get real wasted easily with this one in hand. I'll definitely enjoy the rest of these. For me, on a day like this this beer is just as a good novel that takes you away, away from reality for just a bit...to escape the real world for a while. Awesome.

becktone, Oct 18, 2009
Photo of brentk56
4.33/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Pours a slightly hazy amber color with a foamy head that fades away rather quickly but leaves a few dots and dashes

Smell: Toffee, stone fruit and vanilla

Taste: Opens with a big toffee flavor that adds a stone fruit and oak character, at first, and then a citrusy aspect by mid-palate, all laden with undertones of alcohol; after the swallow, the toffee sweetness and vanilla returns to mellow out the other flavors

Mouthfeel: Full bodied with low carbonation

Drinkability: A very fine example of an old ale; not quite chewy enough to be a barleywine, but filled with complexity

brentk56, Oct 15, 2009
Photo of BedetheVenerable
4/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Presentation: 12oz brown screw cap bottle, nice label with best by date clearly marked

Appearance: Nice dark burnt orange beer with lots of very fine sediment in suspension and a very nice creamy ivory cap with good retention

Smell: There are HUGE malt tones here, burnt sugar (as in creme brulee), a bit of fruity alcoholic esters as well as some baking spice...this is sweet and vibrant...it's almost like liquid sticky toffee pudding...awesome

Taste: VERY sweet sticky toffee pudding, with big warming alcohol and malts, dark brown sugar, and some dark fruit as well...a bit of drier toasty malt on the finish.

Mouthfeel: Big, rich, and smooth

Drinkability: Medium-high

Conclusion: This is a great English-style Old Ale....it's got absolutely fantastic aromas, some really nice flavors, and overall makes me glad it's getting to be winter brew time...this is the way I like my Old Ales: Malt bombs where the hops stay in the background. I'm looking forward to aging one or two of these and seeing how it changes with time.

BedetheVenerable, Oct 13, 2009
Photo of natasharai
4.03/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Poured vigorously to achieve a very small tan creamy head that dissipated leaving some lacing at the top of my glass. The beer is pretty clear with a reddish orange brown color and very small particles floating in the glass.

Smell: Very sweet, strong nutty roasted malt, nice caramel/toasted marshmallow sweet aroma, sappy pine, sweet fruit like pears and apples. Nice yeasty biscuit toward the end.

Taste: Very sweet, caramel malt, roasted nuts, roasted marshmallow, some pine bitterness, no alcohol flavor at all.

Mouthfeel: Thick body, quite syrupy, nice amount of carbonation, slight hop tingle, very small touch of dry feeling, then leaves mouth really sticky.

Overall: good drinkability, especially considering the ABV. Awfully sweet but still good, the sweetness has a nice roasty/toasty component which makes it more interesting.

natasharai, Oct 08, 2009
Photo of Hibernator
4.05/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Founders Curmudgeon
12 oz brown bottle
Served in a Harpoon Leviathan tulip glass

I let this beer sit for about 15 minutes before I starting drinking it Pours a light brown color. Reminds me of the color Lipton tea. A thin white lace forms around the top circle of the beer.

An array of different scents in the nose. Maybe some whisky or rum whiffs too. Sugary sweetness.

Super juicy caramel malts. We're talking major sugary sweetness with a rum raisin and vanilla bean combination. Dark fruits like prunes and figs.

Some initial sips are a tad rough, in the sense of a hard liquor swig from a Maker's Mark drink. Yet, the complexity of the beer (especially) as it warms, becomes a warming monster at 9.3% ABV. More flavors of light milk chocolate too. An enjoyable and flavorful old ale.

Hibernator, Oct 08, 2009
Photo of mdagnew
4/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

355ml bottle bought online from Beermerchants.com..

Poured a deep coppery amber colour. Mocha head poured thick and foamy then faded very quickly to almost nothing - maybe just a light ring around the edge... barely any carbonation bubbles... very light lacing lines...

Aroma - Strong sweet caramel / toffee maltiness mixed with decent woody and oaky notes, marmalade, toasted bread, quite nutty, strong vanilla, stewed fruits (figs, raisin, some overripe banana), banoffee pie, brown lemonade,

Taste - Good balance of oakiness mixed with toffee and caramel... lots of toasted bread, butterscotch and vanilla, dried fruits (raisins, dates), rum, again some orange marmalade, earthy, light grassy hops...

M&D - Smooth and fairly creamy with a little sharpness coming through... medium / full bodied... a sipper at 9.3%

Overall - A pretty good example of an old ale... well worth a try

mdagnew, Oct 06, 2009
Photo of Thorpe429
4.15/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a dark copper with a nice white head. The aroma is that of dark and tart fruits mixed with sweet malt. The taste is quite sweet with a little bit of bread. A bit of the fruity sweetness as well. Mouthfeel is medium-heavy with moderate carbonation. Drinkability is very nice, and becomes a lovely sipper as it warms up.

Thorpe429, Oct 05, 2009
Photo of gmfessen
3.7/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Saw this on the shelves on a recent trip back to MI, haven't had it so I had to pick it up. Poured from the bottle into a mini snifter beer is a clear, deep ruby-orange color with a thin head comprised of many fine bubbles which quickly dissipates to just a thin ring around the snifter. Small bits of lacing are left around the glass. The nose is slightly subdued with sweet dark fruit like raisins and figs dominating and slight fusel alcohol also present. The taste has another dimension of fruity complexity, slightly sweet with lots of dextrins, bittered almost to balance but still slightly sweet. The mouthfeel is full bodied with an almost dead carbonation and a dry, alcohol finish. As far as drinkability goes, this is definitely a sipper. A good beer for a night cap sitting by a fire on a cold winters evening.

gmfessen, Oct 03, 2009
Photo of Marcrates
3.55/5  rDev -11.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Appearance - Pours a dark, amber brown. It appears thick, with a thin creamy head.

Smell - Smells sweet and sugary, with a hint of raisin?

Taste - A little thick and "syrupy" for my taste. It isn't a bad taste, but it is definitely a bit like molasses. The after taste has a little bite, but it quickly fades and is a little anti climactic.

Mouthfeel - Besides smell, this is the best trait of this beer. Feels creamy, rich, and full.

Drinkability - If you like thick and sugary drinks, you may give drinkability on this one a higher rating. For me, however, I can only drink one of these at a time. This isn't a beer a would choose for a session.

Overall I can't say I hate or love it. I would definitely have it again, but only when I'm in the mood for something sugary.

Marcrates, Sep 27, 2009
Photo of DefenCorps
3.68/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

czoch75 sent me a bottle of this last year, and I figured this fine Sunday is a worthy occasion to crack it. IIRc, this is the 2008 release

The pour is a mostly clear ruby red, marred by a slightly careless pour that results in a bunch of floating particles in the beer. A thin, tan head rises briefly, settling into a ring rather quickly.

Sweet, rich and malty on the nose, with plums, raisins, rum, brown sugar, beets, honey and alcohol. Quite deep and rich, and thoroughly acceptable. Mild oxidation is noticeable with a combination of sherry and cardboard. Slight fusel aroma is present, with the spicy character associated with it.

Opens sweet, with a more straightforward sugary sweet character with honey and brown sugar dominating. The fruit character that I picked up on the nose isn't as noticeable, and there's a mild date character present. Rum and raisins with a spicy rye character is noticeable. I'm getting a little bit of toffee before the finish that's a sweet with a bit of alcohol and a little bitterness that's burnt caramel in character.

Medium-full in body with an excellent, lush, creamy carbonation, this beer feels pretty awesome on the palate. The finish is a little disappointing in that it isn't very flavorful.

A definite sipper, I'm actually liking this.

DefenCorps, Sep 27, 2009
Photo of Traquairlover
3.73/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12-oz bottle poured into a tulip.

A = Very hazy amber with only a slight head -- orange on pour but settling out to an off white ring of bubbles around edge of glass. Low carbonation.

S & T = Smells of maple syrup, coconut and vanilla, with tastes of the same. I get a really strong flavor of coconut and a hint of sweet pineapple, almost like a Pina Colada. Also some flavors of spices and hay. Relatively sweet, good long finish.

M = Medium-heavy body, very good mouthcoating, low carbonation not quite as luxurious as I would like, but decent.

D = It tastes good and goes down easily but it also gets a bit cloying, so I cannot recommend it as having high drinkability.

Traquairlover, Sep 26, 2009
Photo of largadeer
3.73/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Murky. Hazy. Turbid. Tons of shit in suspension. The head lingers for a surprising amount of time, given the style and strength.

Fruity aroma. Dates. Sugar, brown. Earth. Soil. Wood. The trees and forest. Pine needles. Spicy. Caramel. Much aroma.

Taste strong. Rye bread. Earth and soil. Strong. Alcoholic. Caramel. Much flavor. Thick. Fruit. Rum. Raisins. Rum raisins. Bitterness. Tannins. Grain. This is beer. Hello.

largadeer, Sep 25, 2009
Photo of mdwalsh
4.55/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a dark orange/copper/amber/golden color with a two finger, small bubbled head. Some active carbonation, and food lacing/head retention.

S: A good strength, not weak but not overwhelming. Very fruity and effervescent. Maybe a little hoppy, herbal if anything. I sort of hoped for a little something darker and fuller, but still good.

T: Hmm, fruity and perhaps a little boozy. Not super smooth, but it works. The hops are much more evident. Though that mellows pretty quick. It reminds me of an aged DIPA. The malt profile is very interesting. At first it really helps push the sharpness of the hops, but then, as my tongue gets more used to that bite, it becomes much much more mellow and smooth. I really like it, I think it just needs to reach the right temp. I hesitate to call it perfect, because it's my first old ale, but I may revisit this guy.

M: Smooth and creamy, but pretty light. Low carbonation which is exactly what I wanted here. This is pretty much perfect to me. Light enough to not feel flat, but giving me not the slightest indication of gasiness.

D: Very, which makes it a dangerous brew at this ABV.

mdwalsh, Sep 25, 2009
Photo of mothman
3.85/5  rDev -4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into Matilda Chalice

Pours hardly any creamy white head. Fades to a thin ring around the glass that sticks around, but no lace. Color is a robust burnt copper. Beer has sediment floating around in it.

Aroma: I get alcohol, plums, grapes, honey, raisins, figs, brown sugar, earthy hops. This beer is very complex, as it should be.

Taste: I can definitely taste the alcohol in this beer as it is quite hot. A lot of dark dried fruits, grapes, raisin, plums are here. Figs, brown sugar, raisins, and honey also present. A lot similar to the smell. I also get an apple taste as well. Hops are pretty much covered by the heat, but they are there.

Mouthfeel: Boozy, creamy, and somewhat smooth. Medium to full body. Medium level of carbonation. Ends with a boozy dried fruit flavored aftertaste.

Overall, I know this is an old ale and thus going to have a lot of alcohol, but the heat is just to much for me. I am slowly sipping on this one and it will take a while to finish. It is good, but I bet a few years might do serve it well.

mothman, Sep 23, 2009
Photo of projectflam86
3.8/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A- Pours a deep murky orange/toffee color with a thin white foam head that leaves some scattered lacing.

S- Coconut, alcohol, and dark fruit are by far the easiest scents to pick out. Fairly musty.

T- A nice caramel/toffee flavor initially that gives way to fruit and coconut tastes in the finish. The alcohol is quite prominent and the aftertaste is similar to a coconut rum.

M- Decent carbonation and a medium/full body.

D- A decent brew that didn't quite live up to expectations.

projectflam86, Sep 20, 2009
Photo of brewdoc75
4.35/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I'm a huge fan of a good old ale. As I am planning to brew one this weekend, I thought I'd give this a try. I have a four pack squirreled away for aging. This is about 6 months old. I'm sure it gets better with age.

A: Amber to brown with beautiful amber hues. A minimal white head sits on top, but dies to nothingness quickly. Carbonation is light to medium.

S: Caramel, toffee, raisins, and plums. This is followed by a hint of oak and vanilla. Nice and complex. Very inviting.

T: Starts out with velvety caramel and toffee. This shifts to raisin and plum fruitiness. The end is full of vanilla and oak. The aftertaste has a hint of bourbon like flavors. The hops balance out the bitterness and add just a hint of citrus. Just enough alcohol to keep it warm and complex. Finishes with moderate, brown sugar sweetness. A very flavorful old ale.

M: Velvety, smooth, lightly carbonated and rich. Very nice.

D: This is a very nice old ale. Definitely one of my favorites. This one is a bit young, but still fantastic. I bet it will age with the best of em. The toughest part about aging this beer will be the waiting. It may not make it another year or two. If I see another 4-pack, I'm picking one up.

brewdoc75, Sep 19, 2009
Photo of ricke
3.65/5  rDev -9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark amber with a small off-white head that leaves a ring of lacings.

S: The smell is malty (caramel and fudge) with notes of ripe fruit (grapes, strawberries?) vanilla and spices. It's a rather rich smell. It's good, but something seems off, like it's going downhill or something.

T: A malt-forward beer with a pleasant taste of caramel and toffee. Lots of fruity notes. The taste is sweet but balancing spicy notes level the sweetness. Here's also an interesting note of vanilla. The finish has some nice bitterness to it and notes of wood and malts.

M: Medium body with a rather creamy and slick texture.

D: A decent beer. But Old ales raise my expectations and this one didn't really meet them. There are far better examples of the style.

ricke, Sep 16, 2009
Photo of ditch
3.78/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured a dark orangish red with an off white head that fades quickly and leaves no lacing.

Smells of roasted barley, raisin, oak, and a bit of vanilla.

Tastes of sweet barley, vanilla, dried dates, with a slight citrus and pine background. pretty well rounded.

Mouthfeel is a little weak. Low carbonation. Near the end of the glass it starts feeling oily.

All in all not a bad beer. Not something that will be on my list of keeping around the house. For the 10.99 a four pack, I would rather be drinking a Dirty Bastard for 8.99(which is quite delicious, by the way).

ditch, Sep 16, 2009
Photo of BarrelO
3.13/5  rDev -21.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz bottle poured into a pint glass.

A: Cloudy reddish-brown body. Head fades quickly and leaves no lacing.

S: Caramel, vanilla, and booze.

T: Strong malt, vanilla, and oak. Kind of like a mini-bourbon. Becomes cloying after a while.

M: Medium-bodied with little carbonation.

D: A total malt bomb with oak to intensify the effect. It was a bit much for me. If you like whiskey, though, it might be up your alley.

BarrelO, Sep 16, 2009
Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) from Founders Brewing Company
90 out of 100 based on 3,693 ratings.