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Founders Nemesis 2009 - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Nemesis 2009Founders Nemesis 2009

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BA SCORE
92
outstanding

676 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 676
Reviews: 468
rAvg: 4.15
pDev: 13.01%
Wants: 185
Gots: 129 | FT: 6
Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Wheatwine |  12.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Maple bourbon barrel aged wheat wine.

(Beer added by: WYVYRN527 on 02-06-2010)
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Reaper16

Alabama

3.13/5  rDev -24.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz. bottle served into a snifter

Pours a lighter-than-expected amber/orange color that lies somewhere between Princeton orange and deep carrot orange. The body is nearly opaque. There is some yeast sediment floating throughout the body, especially when you pour the last half into the glass. The head, well, there isn't any. No foam at all at any point of the pour. Considering that beer is 12% ABV one shouldn't expect much foam. Still, compared to a wheatwine like Boulevard's Harvest Dance this offering from Founders is lacking in the appearance dept.

The nose unfurls nicely as the beer warms. Initially I get alcohol and a gloopy sort of sweetness. Then the interesting elements come out - baked cinnamon apples, pencil lead, bourbon, honey, pancakes, vanilla extract. It is a pleasant nose for a bourbon barrel-aged beer. I'm not convinced that it works for the wheatwine style. The wheat is obscured by the strong barrel smells. In a blind tasting I would smell this and call it a barleywine or a strong ale ten out of ten times. This beer smells good but I rate to style. Needs to have more discernible wheat.

Thankfully the beer tastes like a wheatwine. It has the overly-sweet honeysuckle taste that I've found in nearly every wheatwine. The maple & bourbon sure do come out of those barrels. They aren't doing the beer many favors. This beer is overly sweet. The wheat malt tastes too sweet, the maple and vanilla tastes too sweet, the boozy element is all sweetness and harshness, both too strong. It finishes with a chalky, oaky astringency that is much needed but even that is covered up by the sugary flavors of apple and syrup. You expect a sweet beer when drinking this, but I wish that all the sweetness would come together better.

No carbonation. You are left with a thick body and no carbonation. This, of course, amplifies the boozyness and doesn't help to make the cloying sweetness any less sweet. Clearly Founders wants to emphasize the sweetness here. I think that it is a mistake; too much. You can guess then that I feel the drinkability is suspect. Some people are all like "half a 12oz. bottle is enough for me," and I'm not going quite that far. I finished the bottle myself. The alcohol does get to you (as you'd expect) but the real problem is that the beer is too sweet.

I love Founders. They might just be my favorite overall brewery. But this beer is a misstep for me. How people can think that this is better than Harvest Dance is beyond me. Hopefully age can tame this beer; I'm not planning on drinking another for quite a few months.

Serving type: bottle

07-07-2010 02:53:40 | More by Reaper16
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A- Cap comes off with a decent hiss, pours a slightly hazy with a little bit of translucency, orange brown in color with a very thin white head that quickly recedes to a still top, carbonation appears to be fairly low and there's a ton of white sediment chunks floating around even though it's been resting in my cellar for >6 months and I didn't pour the bottom of the beer in. By far not the most physically attractive beer.

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Founders Nemesis 2009 from Founders Brewing Company
92 out of 100 based on 676 ratings.