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Founders Nemesis 2009 - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Nemesis 2009Founders Nemesis 2009

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685 Ratings
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Ratings: 685
Reviews: 468
rAvg: 4.14
pDev: 13.04%
Wants: 184
Gots: 128 | FT: 6
Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Wheatwine |  12.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Maple bourbon barrel aged wheat wine.

(Beer added by: WYVYRN527 on 02-06-2010)
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Photo of mcgwire756
4.79/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75

Bottle poured into my usual tulip glass.

Pours a great orange amber color. The 1/2 finger head fades quickly from the year of age.

The smell is the best part of this beer with smells of bourbon maple and burnt sugar. Simply awesome.

The taste is strongly of bourbon. Tastes similar to Backwoods Bastard in this respect. I wish this was toned down a little bit. The taste of maple and vanilla evens it out a little bit, but not perfectly.

The mouthfeel is great and smooth as can be. No alcohol burn at all.

This is a big beer and could tell right away I had to sip on this for a while. Slight alcohol burn at the end. I wonder how many IBU's were in this one compared to the 100 IBU in the 2010 Nemesis. It seems to be fewer and not as balanced.

I really enjoyed this beer for what it is. At first I thought I would want a lot more of it, and now I think maybe just one more to see how it ages in a few more years would be sufficient.

2013 edit- This beer has aged amzingly and is so much more nuanced and refined. I highly recommend it at this point.

mcgwire756, Oct 18, 2013
Photo of Morey
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

Morey, Oct 12, 2013
Photo of inkdemention
4/5  rDev -3.4%

inkdemention, Sep 26, 2013
Photo of tommy5
4.5/5  rDev +8.7%

tommy5, Sep 18, 2013
Photo of BuckTuckian
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

BuckTuckian, Sep 12, 2013
Photo of TheBeerTruck
3.5/5  rDev -15.5%

TheBeerTruck, Sep 08, 2013
Photo of Brenden
4.59/5  rDev +10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is another huge, boozy beer from Founders. This beer is either a nightmare or nearly divine, depending on the drinker's regard for spirits and hard liquor.

It's a deep, rich, burnished orange-brown color, somehow both thick and somewhat opaque in the look. A yellow-tinted head doesn't seem to be rising too tall but it sticks around, creamy and thick, and it leaves some good spotting and even some patching on the glass as it goes.
This is as much the beer equivalent of bourbon as I've ever encountered, with less to overtake it or shadow it, even if just slightly, than in a big stout. It's sweet, not too syrupy, hot but not overwhelmingly so, and plenty complex. Molasses, toffee, vanilla, breads, oak; there's so much here, and it's a pleasure to sip and unwrap. There's a little bit of a sugary undertone, and there's a discernable underlying wheat/malt base to hold it all together. It's a slow sipper, absolutely, but it's so rich and deep it needs to be anyway. Drunk exactly the way one would drink bourbon, disappointment seems impossible.
The body is very interesting; it seems medium but there's so much happening it's almost difficult to say. It has a certain necessary thickness without cloying or filling, and it's not velvety but it is undeniably smooth.

Brenden, Sep 06, 2013
Photo of Nolen12
4/5  rDev -3.4%

Nolen12, Sep 03, 2013
Photo of Mike
4/5  rDev -3.4%

Mike, Sep 02, 2013
Photo of TheBeerAlmanac
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

TheBeerAlmanac, Aug 31, 2013
Photo of bradfordjohnson
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

bradfordjohnson, Aug 30, 2013
Photo of KickbacksSteve
4.38/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2009 vintage poured into a small snifter. Light copper body, small head and minimal lacing. Aroma includes notes of molasses, brown sugar, vanilla, graham cracker, syrup. Taste includes notes of all the same and includes some alcohol notes. I would think this beer could continue to get better for several more years to give it more time for the alcohol flavor to fade. Quite a tasty beer.

KickbacksSteve, Aug 23, 2013
Photo of Cookierachas
5/5  rDev +20.8%

Cookierachas, Aug 21, 2013
Photo of GonzoHomebrewer
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Last bottle! Poured into an Alchemist glass

A- Hazy cloudy with mostly darker shades of orange, very heavy sediment, obvious seperation between sediment and everything else, not appealing to the eye, but I'm sure Founders didn't make this beer to age and look great

S- nose is nice, smell leads off with wheatwine characteristics of clove, banana, bit of spice followed by some vanilla sweetness

T- Beer really takes off here, Barrel is a bit more noticeable, but not overwhelming at all. Incredibly smooth bourbon vanilla takes over and you have to dig a bit to find the beer characteristics, but they're still there, some other sweetness near the end that could be the maple, but it never lingers long enough to be too discernible. Aged wonderfully

M- Not too sticky, just a kiss of carbonation at this point, just enough to make the sweetness easy to take

O- There's absolutely no signs this beer is 12% and that makes it crazy drinkable. I don't see how this could really get any better, so if you're still holding on to bottles, drink em now. I've had this fresh, 1 year, 2 year and 4. I'd say one year was my favorite, followed by 4 then fresh and 2. Hope to see this re-brewed!

GonzoHomebrewer, Aug 20, 2013
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3.75/5  rDev -9.4%

CypherEnigma, Aug 17, 2013
Photo of elkinbrown
4.75/5  rDev +14.7%

elkinbrown, Aug 17, 2013
Photo of danthehopslamman
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

danthehopslamman, Aug 06, 2013
Photo of Dirt
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

Dirt, Aug 06, 2013
Photo of ari32
4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

ari32, Jul 22, 2013
Photo of 2beerdogs
4/5  rDev -3.4%

2beerdogs, Jul 19, 2013
Photo of BillRoth
5/5  rDev +20.8%

BillRoth, Jul 14, 2013
Photo of Brez07
4.11/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Reviewed as part of the Blind Beer BIF. 12 oz poured into a snifter

Pours orangey amber, limited ring of head and no lace

The booze is strong with this one. Blasted with bourbon as soom as I opened it. Obviously bourbon barreled, already thinking barleywine. Caramel, orange candy/burnt sugar, some piney-ness

Toffee, caramel and pine come to mind as I sip this, slowly. Sweet bread as well. Decent fusel burn. Lightly bitter from what I'm guessing is residual hops, as this has some age on it. Sweet but with a nice contrast from bitterness

Medium to full bodied, low on carb. Slightly dry finish

Fantastic, right in my wheelhouse. Definitely thinking this is a BA barleywine, maybe from Founders based on geographical location of my sender

Reveal: 2009 Founders Nemesis. Daaamn, that's a good one. Very close with the guess (it's a wheat wine). I see why everyone wants Founders to rebrew this one!

Brez07, Jul 10, 2013
Photo of Zbeetleman
4.75/5  rDev +14.7%

Zbeetleman, Jul 07, 2013
Photo of KickInTheChalice
3.58/5  rDev -13.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

From notes. Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into a tulip.

Nemesis has a mostly transparent caramel color with a small white head. The cap fades pretty quickly to a ring around the edge of the glass.

The aroma is full of creamy vanilla. Some maple and bourbon add a sweet booziness.

The flavor is still fairly harsh. There is not enough body to contain the high ABV. It reminds me a little bit of cream soda, with vanilla, some oak barrel character, maple, bourbon, and sweet caramel from the base wheat wine.

The body is a little bit thin from what I want out of a wheat wine, especially one that has this much alcohol. The booze is definitely noticeable. Carbonation is on the light side.

This had potential, but the flavor is still too harsh to be enjoyable.

KickInTheChalice, Jul 02, 2013
5/5  rDev +20.8%

WOLFGANG, Jun 30, 2013
Founders Nemesis 2009 from Founders Brewing Company
92 out of 100 based on 685 ratings.