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Founders Nemesis 2009 - Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Nemesis 2009Founders Nemesis 2009

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BA SCORE
93
outstanding

688 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 688
Reviews: 466
rAvg: 4.14
pDev: 13.04%
Wants: 185
Gots: 127 | FT: 6
Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Wheatwine |  12.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Maple bourbon barrel aged wheat wine.

(Beer added by: WYVYRN527 on 02-06-2010)
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4.5/5  rDev +8.7%

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4.75/5  rDev +14.7%

Photo of kevanb
4.3/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle poured into a Founders Snifter.

The beer pours a lovely caramel brown color, hues of apricot when struck by the light, very murky, lots of sediment floating in the glass with a finger or so of bone colored head, very soapy and thick that has moderate retention and leaves only the faintest of spotted lace behind. The aroma is very big, lots of soft toffee, rich sweet grain, bourbon is prominent, but not harsh at all, very integrated, cereal grains are also apparent in contrast from the richer, darker malt, maple isn't really noticeable however, but caramel, light wood and vanilla pop out at the back end. It's very complex, big, boozy and sweet. The flavors are in queue, massive amounts of toffee and caramel, bourbon and wood creep in with a bit of vanilla, great barrel character, rich grain with some lighter cracker malt as well, a bit of sticky molasses pops out at the finish. The body is rich, albeit a bit thin, carbonation is lively but on the lower end, coats the mouth well and finishes a bit astringently.

Verdict: Delicious stuff that has aged so nicely. I was only able to detect the faintest touches of oxidation but the layers are so complex. Maple is an afterthought, but the bourbon is potent yet smooth. It's rich, smooth and just a joy to sip.

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4.5/5  rDev +8.7%

Photo of mcgwire756
4.79/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75

Bottle poured into my usual tulip glass.

Pours a great orange amber color. The 1/2 finger head fades quickly from the year of age.

The smell is the best part of this beer with smells of bourbon maple and burnt sugar. Simply awesome.

The taste is strongly of bourbon. Tastes similar to Backwoods Bastard in this respect. I wish this was toned down a little bit. The taste of maple and vanilla evens it out a little bit, but not perfectly.

The mouthfeel is great and smooth as can be. No alcohol burn at all.

This is a big beer and could tell right away I had to sip on this for a while. Slight alcohol burn at the end. I wonder how many IBU's were in this one compared to the 100 IBU in the 2010 Nemesis. It seems to be fewer and not as balanced.

I really enjoyed this beer for what it is. At first I thought I would want a lot more of it, and now I think maybe just one more to see how it ages in a few more years would be sufficient.

2013 edit- This beer has aged amzingly and is so much more nuanced and refined. I highly recommend it at this point.

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

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4/5  rDev -3.4%

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4.5/5  rDev +8.7%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

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3.5/5  rDev -15.5%

Photo of Brenden
4.59/5  rDev +10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is another huge, boozy beer from Founders. This beer is either a nightmare or nearly divine, depending on the drinker's regard for spirits and hard liquor.

It's a deep, rich, burnished orange-brown color, somehow both thick and somewhat opaque in the look. A yellow-tinted head doesn't seem to be rising too tall but it sticks around, creamy and thick, and it leaves some good spotting and even some patching on the glass as it goes.
This is as much the beer equivalent of bourbon as I've ever encountered, with less to overtake it or shadow it, even if just slightly, than in a big stout. It's sweet, not too syrupy, hot but not overwhelmingly so, and plenty complex. Molasses, toffee, vanilla, breads, oak; there's so much here, and it's a pleasure to sip and unwrap. There's a little bit of a sugary undertone, and there's a discernable underlying wheat/malt base to hold it all together. It's a slow sipper, absolutely, but it's so rich and deep it needs to be anyway. Drunk exactly the way one would drink bourbon, disappointment seems impossible.
The body is very interesting; it seems medium but there's so much happening it's almost difficult to say. It has a certain necessary thickness without cloying or filling, and it's not velvety but it is undeniably smooth.

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4/5  rDev -3.4%

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4/5  rDev -3.4%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

Photo of KickbacksSteve
4.38/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2009 vintage poured into a small snifter. Light copper body, small head and minimal lacing. Aroma includes notes of molasses, brown sugar, vanilla, graham cracker, syrup. Taste includes notes of all the same and includes some alcohol notes. I would think this beer could continue to get better for several more years to give it more time for the alcohol flavor to fade. Quite a tasty beer.

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5/5  rDev +20.8%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Last bottle! Poured into an Alchemist glass

A- Hazy cloudy with mostly darker shades of orange, very heavy sediment, obvious seperation between sediment and everything else, not appealing to the eye, but I'm sure Founders didn't make this beer to age and look great

S- nose is nice, smell leads off with wheatwine characteristics of clove, banana, bit of spice followed by some vanilla sweetness

T- Beer really takes off here, Barrel is a bit more noticeable, but not overwhelming at all. Incredibly smooth bourbon vanilla takes over and you have to dig a bit to find the beer characteristics, but they're still there, some other sweetness near the end that could be the maple, but it never lingers long enough to be too discernible. Aged wonderfully

M- Not too sticky, just a kiss of carbonation at this point, just enough to make the sweetness easy to take

O- There's absolutely no signs this beer is 12% and that makes it crazy drinkable. I don't see how this could really get any better, so if you're still holding on to bottles, drink em now. I've had this fresh, 1 year, 2 year and 4. I'd say one year was my favorite, followed by 4 then fresh and 2. Hope to see this re-brewed!

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3.75/5  rDev -9.4%

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4.75/5  rDev +14.7%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.7%

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4/5  rDev -3.4%

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Founders Nemesis 2009 from Founders Brewing Company
93 out of 100 based on 688 ratings.