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Founders Nemesis 2009 - Founders Brewing Company

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Ratings: 669
Reviews: 467
rAvg: 4.15
pDev: 13.01%
Wants: 184
Gots: 129 | FT: 6
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Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Wheatwine |  12.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Maple bourbon barrel aged wheat wine.

(Beer added by: WYVYRN527 on 02-06-2010)
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Photo of FreshmanPour77


4.35/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Reviewed 02-21-10
Reviewed cold from a bottle to a glass

A - Cloudy golden brown color, no foam at the pour, no real lacing ring to speak of, seemed flat at first

S - Maple/caramel mixed in with a heavy nose of bourbon

T - Big bourbon taste with some hop bit at the end, a warm feeling comes over me. Maybe it's the start of the 12% ABV hitting me? But no I have had lunch. It's gotta be the bourbon! Couldn't tell much of anything else in this brew except some hops piggy backing the bourbon for a little extra pine bit to it

M/D - Ok normally not my kind of brew but for sure I'm glad I was able to get some courtesy of Shango42. A full bodied flavor that goes down strong with a sting of heavy alcohol. It warms the sole and I'm looking forward to cellaring the rest and add to this review, I'm curious how this will age and what time will do to this! I great brew from Founders, If you still can purchase some I would recommend it.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 19:05:22 | More by FreshmanPour77
Photo of meich75

North Carolina

4.72/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a pint glass.

Poured a thick maple color with almost no head. Sweet smell with just a hint of alcohol. Sweet maple and malt taste initially masked the alcohol. Finished with a bourbon flavour similiar to Backwoods Bastard, although I liked this one much better.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 13:31:27 | More by meich75
Photo of chefmikeanderson


3.9/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Pour like golden syrup cascading into the glass. very little head some tasty lacing though

S: Smells of toffee candy sweetness. sweet bourbon.

T: Just like i would imagine. sweet maple bourbon. has a banana ester to it. reminds me of banana pancakes for some reason.... with a shot of bourbon. that makes me smile. considering its a beer the shot of whiskey flavor does come off a bit hot and leaves my breath warm after i drink it

M: real full bodied. completely coats my mouth with some slickness. a slight bit of carb

D: Nicely made beer! I can tell it has been created with love and care. lots of big flavors that meld together quite nicely but still each ingredient is showcased. While it is a bit hot that makes me even more excited for when i taste an aged one. It is a bit sweet as well so its taking me a minute to drink the whole bottle... which isnt exactly a bad thing.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 07:51:03 | More by chefmikeanderson
Photo of chaz410

North Carolina

4.33/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 2.5

Got this bottle at the Flying Saucer.
Pours a thick wheat colored dark yellow body with NO head at all.
Smells of thick vanilla, maple syrup, sweet caramel and a thin alcohol undertone.
Taste is intense to say the least. Heavy heavy mapel syrup notes. A good bourbon and vanilla flavoring over some thick, spicey wheat malt with some caramel malt as well. Very strong alcohol presence. A slight hop note at the end that is piney, but it's blurred out by the alcohol burn. There was a sensation similar to butterscotch schnaups in there. This was the first beer I've had that actually gave me a low gut taste/impact as well. Similar to taking a shot of ICE 101 schnaups.
Thick smooth mouthfeel, very silky.
Not a beer to take on unless your ready for it, but if your ready, you'll be very very happy!!!

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 03:09:06 | More by chaz410
Photo of chcfan


4.5/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle into Ikea snifter.

Just your average, everyday maple-bourbon-barrel-aged-wheat-wine. Beautiful amber color which is actually quite similar to maple syrup. The white head dissipates pretty quickly. Give it swirl and it will get some legs.

The aroma is almost all bourbon. I'm used to bourbon sharing the stage with roast, malt, chocolate, heavy hops (don't care for that combo) but with Nemesis, all I'm getting is bourbon and a hint of maple.

The taste is more complex, with wheat flavor in the finish. Definitely the cleanest bourbon flavor I've ever had in a beer. It's like drinking glass of carbonated Maker's.

Mouthfeel is pretty warm, but that's to be expected with a fresh, 12%, bourbon aged beer. Quite pleasant for this time of year.

This is a pricey beer, but I do wish I could have gotten a whole 4-pack instead of just one.

Nemesis is another stellar beer from Founders.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 02:45:58 | More by chcfan
Photo of mikesgroove

South Carolina

4.47/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big, no huge thanks to my KY friend for getting this one into my fridge. I had been dying to try it and he was kind enough to make sure I got a bottle quickly to satisfy my appetite for this monster. Served at a near perfect fifty five degrees and poured into a snifter this one was consumed on 02/21/2010.

The pour was interesting. Dark amber with loads of honey colored hints shine through the glass. Small head on top, maybe a finger deep at its zenith and settles down quickly to reveal just a slight bit of lacing that is struggling to cling to the sides. The overall color though should be noted as stunning. You really need to let this one open up to really appreciate it for what it is. Stunning use of aroma and flavor here. Rich oak notes, hints of butterscotch, toffee, vanilla, boozy bourbon notes, a light tickle of spice. Rediculously complex and yet simple. Sipping brings on touches of grapes, light fruit notes, hints of breads and light grains, really just a tremendous amount of depth and complexity. Final, fading sips are of vanilla and bourbon mixed with a rich oak note that seem to just sit oh so perfectly as they fade out.

Overall I am not really sure what to call this one but it is certainly one of the most different and unique offerings I have ever come across. Kudos to founders as usual.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 02:15:27 | More by mikesgroove
Photo of BeerImmediately


4.15/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured at 50 degrees into a Leffe wine-style glass.

Pours without more than a film of head over a nearly opaque orange-to-brown body; good sticky lacing.

Starts with a white wine aroma - rich fermented grapes, moving into green apple skins, spicy yeast, and some orange peel as it warmed.

Thick in the mouth, with just enuf carbonation - but a palate-filler, no doubt. Flavors are dominated by sweet bourbon whiskey, and accompanied by caramel, a faint hint of maple, and lingering rich fruits in the afterglow. Becomes a little too boozy as it warms.

For the ABV, it has decent drinkability due to the nice combination of flavors.

Was able to find several more just after this review, so will definitely be cellaring some for the next couple of years - should make for an interesting comparison.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 01:59:24 | More by BeerImmediately
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4.47/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

On-tap at Founders. This was served in a small snifter, a dark golden color without much head.

The most obvious presence in the smell is bourbon, but there are some hints of maple, nuts, fruits, sugar, and spices (maybe cloves?) mixed in as well. Alcohol's presence sticks out prominently here.

Taste has a prominent bourbon character as well, but it is mellowed out by nuttiness and maple. The alcohol has a strong presence, but not so much to diminish the flavor.

This is definitely unique and interesting, and worth seeking out.

Serving type: on-tap

02-22-2010 01:53:48 | More by webmanspidey
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North Carolina

4.03/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into my New Belgium globe glass. NOTE: This is a style I know very little about, so I'll do my best to rate it to both my personal tastes, and the description of the style.

Appearance: Pours a very murky burnt orange/rust color, with one finger of white head that subsides fairly quickly Good lacing.

Smell: Nutty bourbon aromas dominate. The malt is hidden behind the bourbon, and there are some fruity notes as well. Very nice.

Taste: Well, lots of bourbon. You get a strong nutty bourbon flavor without the bourbon bite. The sharpness of the bourbon is cut by the sweet malt. There is a mild chocolatey/roasted note in the finish. The alcohol is evident in this one, throughout all aspects of the taste. The beer warms nicely as it is going down. There's maybe a hint of sweetness from the maple, but that could just be because I know this was aged in maple-bourbon barrels. I am a big fan of bourbon-aged beers, but in this one, the bourbon flavors really dominate it. If I didn't know this was a wheatwine, there is no way I would have been able to guess that from the flavor profile. I can't really taste any wheat in it at all.

Mouthfeel: Thick, creamy. Very nice.

Drinkability: A sipper, but a very good one. If you're a fan of bourbon-aged beers, you'll enjoy this one. I don't really think it's representative of the style, but it's very enjoyable nevertheless. One is enough. While I don't know if this is really something to consider, the price (~$20 for a four pack), is a little prohibitive as well.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 22:41:06 | More by StarlightSeraph
Photo of bamadog


3.78/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Review is from notes taken on 2/19/2010 and poured from the bottle to a snifter.

Appearance: Pour is a dark and deep honey color and starts with a short (1 cm) fizzy white head and fades immediately to nothing other than the thinnest ring around the surface; body is cloudy and shows little carbonation; leaves minimal spotty lacing.

Smell: Quite amazing and easily (for me, anyway) the best aspect of this beer; smell is super sweet maltiness and a sweet berry-like presence; alcohol is B-I-G in the nose and is very bourbonesque; as it warms up the, maple becomes one of the more dominant presences in the nose and it really adds a nice bit of balance to that big alcohol.

Taste: Alcohol is huge here as well and the first and formeost presence throughout the drink - very much like drinking a shot of bourbon with and astringnet woodiness and sweet compliment of vanilla; tremendously sweet maltiness quickly follows the alcohol; the maple eventually comes out as it warms as well but it still owned by the huge alcohol and sweetness. I feel that this beer needs to age for a while for the alcohol to mellow out, and I feel that the sweetness is almost cloying behind it. I've got a 4-pack on wax and will give it a shot again in 12 months to see how it's doing.

Mouthfeel: Huge warmth from the ABV; not much carbonation to speak of; body is slick and oily; mouth finishes very dry and the belly is left especially warm.

Drinkability: Lower than I'd like it to be for some of the hype surrounding this beer -- not that it's bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it is the first beer from Founders that didn't make me say, "Damn, I need to go buy more of this right now..."; ABV is pretty high and it's not really masked or blended especially well and the sweetness is a bit too much for right now.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 18:55:43 | More by bamadog
Photo of corby112


4.13/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a very dark hazy golden orange color that is completely opaque with a one finger frothy off white head that quickly fades into a thin lasting ring. Sporadic chunks floating around with visible carbonation bubbling up.

The nose on this beer is incredible. Slight earthy leathery malt notes lying underneath a luscious oak character that gives off a huge vanilla aroma with hints of toffee, subtle bourbon, sweet alcohol and maple. It's nice to have a BA beer that isn't just dominated by the liquor. Founders continues to pull this off. Hopefully the taste will be as pleasing.

This beer is surprisingly pretty hop forward with a nice dry bitterness that lingers throughout over the complex body into a sweet dry finish. Medium bodied with a strong sweet alcohol presence that slightly overpowers the leathery malt notes. Again, as in the aroma, the barrel aging crates subtle flavors which are noticeable without killing all of the other characteristics. Slight earthy oak presence with a lot of smooth vanilla and slight toffee flavor. The bourbon is there but most of the heat comes from the high ABV which is not as well masked as I would like. That being said, this beer is complex and flavorful enough to make it pretty damn drinkable. I'm not a big fan of the wheat wine style but this interpretation is pretty good. A bit too hot perhaps but it seems like it will improve greatly with some age.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 07:54:19 | More by corby112
Photo of Bighuge


4.5/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Murky looking bronze body. Thin coating of a beige "oil spill" on top. Lacing comes in sporadic thin rings. Aroma is strong. EtOH, bourbon, vanilla, rum, barrel tannins. Mouthfeel is very agreeable. Silky and velvety. Body around medium, medium-full, though this beer does project some viscosity through the sheer creaminess of it. As I work my way through this beer, the alcohol presence really diminishes. This is quite easy to drink is spite of the a/v. Such a creamy texture throwing out flavors of oak and maple and vanilla and exotic fruits and bourbon. This is a great beer as is. In 2-4 years, I predict outstanding.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 06:41:03 | More by Bighuge
Photo of bbeane


4.3/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Poured into a snifter... starts with a weak head that disappears quickly leaving an ever so tiny amount of lacing. Beer is reddish amber color with lots of tiny sediment floating in it

S- Smells sweet with oaky notes and a definite alcoholic aroma

T- Starts out sweet... first accompanied by notes of oak or wood, and finishes with a strong presence of alcohol

M- Light to medium bodied with very little carbonation

D- Another quality brew from Founders... If it were more available, I would definitely buy more


Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 06:38:42 | More by bbeane
Photo of nlmartin


4.47/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This beer was served in an Imperial Pint glass.

Appearance: The body of the beer is a coppery orange coloration. The head was thin white and resolved into a film. Thin webs of lacing remained on my glass.

Smell: The aroma of the beer has loads of sweet bourbon maple syrup. Very nice supporting roles played by bazoka joe smelling yeast, cloves, a bit of pine, very nice fruit notes apple, figs, dates a bit of raisins. Smells super!

Taste: This reminds me of a bourbon fueled Bananas Fosters. Nice maple syrup, bourbon vanilla, peppery alcohol and spices, a bit of pine hops and tropical fruit cocktail. Very nicely done. Think I will let some of these lay down for a year.

Mouthfeel / Drinkability: The body of the beer is medium. The mouth is pretty alcohol laden but I think this is working out well. The beer is a sipper for sure. Looking forward to having this several times.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 06:01:07 | More by nlmartin
Photo of semibaked


4.38/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bottle purchased today into a Tulip

A - Very nice copper color kind of like scotch or whisky. About of finger of head.

S - Giant bourbon smell hits quickly along with vanilla, I don't smell any maple syrup at all.

T - Wow a ton of bourbon flavor right off the bat, as it warms there is a great maple syrup flavor that is very nice with the bourbon. More sweetness comes outs towards the end.

M - Syrupy goodness and buttery. Kind of like caramel and butter. Very nice.

D - Goes down great, the bourbon is always present and maybe the sharpness of it will go down with times. I definitely would not of guessed this was 12% abv. Definitely a great sipper. Another fantastic offering from Founders.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 03:41:10 | More by semibaked
Photo of alexgash


4.55/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle.

Beautifully hazy peachy copper body. Pinkie finger of dense, creamy, dirty beige head. Good lacing. Complex nose of bourbon, vanilla, oak, canned pear syrup, graham crackers, tropical fruit cocktail, pepper, and bubblegum yeast.

Ripe fruit and peppery alcohol/hops up front. Bourbon, vanilla, and a soothing oakiness soon slip in. Sweet tropical fruits, with notes of strawberry, kiwi, and pear show up, mixing with the bourbon surprisingly nicely. Hints of some syrupy/fruity sweetness reveal themselves, along with almost-ripe banana bitterness and boozy banana bread in the finish. Lingering vanilla and bourbon and peaches. Warming, but not hot. Thick, luscious mouthfeel that really coats the mouth. Wow. Perfect, low-level, smooth carbonation. Excellent and a wonderful way to start off this very promising new "Nemesis" series!

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 02:37:22 | More by alexgash
Photo of beerman207


4.53/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A: Beer pours a cloudy dark orange with a nice pure white head that leaves lacing around the glass. Good skim left behind once the head dissipates.

S: Smell is strong of bourbon, vanilla, spiciness from the booze, and maybe even some strawberry?

T: Wow, this is where the good stuff comes in. The bourbon just hits so quickly and the vanilla tones as well as some real sweetness and even some malt I detect in the back. I do detect some faint strawberry in here and some good hop presence along with the alcohol for the finish (not bad considering the abv).

M: SMOOTH - wow is this smooth for not having any age on it. It has a creamy texture that just feels like velvet on my palate.

D: Wow. If this thing is 12%, I'm in trouble because it doesn't taste like it! Very impressive offering from Founders. I'm glad I have another to age because this should be amazing next year.

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2010 02:00:42 | More by beerman207
Photo of orbitalr0x


4.4/5  rDev +6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Really excited to try this maple bourbon barrel aged wheat wine. Bottled 2/3/10. Pours into my glass a brilliant red orange with some hazy particulate like a fall sunset. Small white bubbles on top. Aromas feature complex layers of crisp sweet wheat, caramel and an amazing mix of bourbon, vanilla, wood and rich maple syrup. A touch of honey as well.

First sip brings crisp, dense sweet malts drenched in a wash of caramel and bourbon. Big vanilla flavors and a great kick of maple syrup. Honey and wood tones along with a kick of alcohol heat on the way down. Finishes with maple and lingering bourbon. Simply wonderful.

Mouthfeel is hefty and malty with a good mellow carbonation. A tad sweet with big viscosity. This one is a sipper and every sip is a smile. Bold, complex and flavorful, the maple really makes it. Glad I was able to try this one and look forward to more in the Nemesis series!!

Serving type: bottle

02-20-2010 04:11:37 | More by orbitalr0x
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North Carolina

4.28/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle into snifter

a-dark copper color...little to no head but not flat...there are some surviving bubbles in there...white collar surrounds the edge of the glass...

s-bourbon soaked bananas come to mind....the oakey woodsy smell is there as well but faint....some astringent alcohol makes itself known and doesnt hold back...

t-much the same as the nose up front....the bourbon soaked bananas come up to the front and then lead into some nice grainy alcohol notes....nothing typical about this wheatwhine...the maple syrup really shines through at the very end to make it seem like you ate some bourbon maple pancakes..

m-the heat from the alcohol detracts a little...but its thick and chewy and sticks to everything....

d-there is no drinkability here as far as amount to be consumed...but its a nice enough package to make you want more than one..

overall one of the most unique beers ive ever tried....it def needs some time in the cellar as this one is quite hot and the alcohol does not hold back...

Serving type: bottle

02-20-2010 03:07:12 | More by stoutfiend27
Photo of sjccmd


4/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottled on 2/3/10.

Pours copper/orange with a very small off white head that fades immediately leaving a thin ring around the glass. The lacing is pretty sticky.

Lots of bourbon up front in the aroma. Alcohol has an initially big presence, but it mellows out revealing a complex fruity aroma of peach, mango, apricot, and passion fruit. Oak and vanilla as well.

The taste is initially surprising as to how well the alcohol is hidden, however the finish reveals a good amount of alcohol heat. The same complex fruit flavors from the aroma are in the taste, as well as maple syrup. I almost feel like rating the finish separately since it is slightly off-putting with a slightly chemical alcohol burn...but the initial flavors are so interesting and delicious that I'll average it out towards that end.

This beer has a thick and syrupy body with a nice amount of carbonation...not too much though. The finish is long and warm with some hop resin.

It is a 12% beer, but I've had equally "drinkable" beers that were more. The alcohol presence is pretty intense towards the end, but it's still an enjoyable enough beer to finish without a real fuss.

Serving type: bottle

02-20-2010 01:19:07 | More by sjccmd
Photo of mcallister


4.5/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours an orange reddish color with various size carbonation bubbles moving at different speeds though there own universe. A small white head fades into a foamy half moon.

One of those beers that hard to quit sniffing. Sweet candied fruits, maple bourbon pancackes, some dried fruit aromas and piney hops. Date, caramel, fig, raisin and more....love it.

Complex beer with spritzy tounge tigling carbonation and so much going on. Got a case of this treat and I think it's gonna age quite nicely. Nice caramel, maple sweetness that is cut off by hop bitterness and oak tannins on the long drawn out finish. Bourbon shows through nicely, actually much beter than on some of the other maple bourbon beers I've tried from Founders. Clove, maple, dates, caramel, raisin, dried fig, and more. Thick luscious with that spritzy carbonation on the finish. Christ I'm gonna savor this case.

Serving type: bottle

02-19-2010 21:18:06 | More by mcallister
Photo of BierFan


4/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 ounce bottle into a cervoise.

Appearance: Thin head settles to a ring around the edge. Hazy light amber/orange body.

Smell: Big whiskey smell. Wheat.

Taste: Everything attacing the senses at once. Whiskey barrel, good alcohol presence, and bitterness. Flavors are strong and last on the tastebuds for a while. Little maple syrup flavor which becomes much stronger as the beer warms. The beer really starts to come together once it has a chance to warm. The alcohol and whiskey flavors become less abrassive and it picks up some tobacco flavor.

Serving type: bottle

02-19-2010 04:45:28 | More by BierFan
Photo of hardy008


4.25/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Hazy amber color with a very thin head which fades quickly. Smell is bourbon, maple, vanilla, caramel, and oak. The flavor matches the aroma. The flavor is sweet. This is a pure malt bomb.

There is some alcohol burn. Full bodied, and the carbonation is higher than I expected. A great beer, and a must to try if you get the opportunity. This beer should be ideal for aging. A definite sipper.

Serving type: bottle

02-19-2010 03:01:50 | More by hardy008
Photo of Brew33


4.6/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Nemesis. Purchased a 4 pack at Party Town in Florence, Ky.

The color of this beer is like clover honey. Amber, fairly clear for a light colored barrel aged beer. The aroma is sweet, definitely some maple but predominately bourbon. Vanilla, oak. Excellent. The taste was sweet and very complex. A ton going on here. Some maple, some ethyl alcohol, as the beer warms it's gets increasing complex. Vanilla, oak, wheat, little to no discernable hop flavor. A slight smokiness that I really like. Great stuff. The mouthfeel was excellent. The drinkability for a 12% bourbon barrel aged beer is insane. I could happily drink 2 of these in one night. Certainly seek this out. Another Founders home run.

Serving type: bottle

02-18-2010 15:10:08 | More by Brew33
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3.58/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Picked up a "secret" stash of this at Bourbon & Canal. $21 for a quad.

Poured into my Bruery tulip. Pours a dark hazy burnt-amber with a bunch of floaties in there (I love those). A half-inch head appears after a forced pour, but quickly settles to a thin off-white lid on the top of my beer. No lacing on the glass.

Gotta admit that I don't have a lot of experience in the wheatwine arena...really just Oatgoop, other than this one. But this was a lot different than the Three Floyds version. The first smell I picked up was a sweet berry - strawberries, actually. Really, it smells a lot like that old drink "Big Red" used to taste...do they even make that stuff anymore? A bubble-gum like berry smell. Also some vanilla in there and a strong alcohol sting as I get my nose down into my glass. This is definitely different - but I like it!

Definitely a taste that isn't overly common. Initially I got a heavy smack of vanilla. Cream Soda like...to the point that it dominated every drink I took. Thick, creamy, heavy mouthfeel. Very sweet with some maple/vanilla attributes. Heavy grainy swallow that was very warming. A strong alcoholic burn rounds this thing out. Too much, really - it is a stinging "hot" that really hits you at the end of the drink. I'm not sure how these things age, but it really feels like a few years would smooth this out. I'm a bit turned off by the finish.

I really enjoyed the opportunity to try this beer. I think Founder's does an outstanding job with about anything they do, and this was no different. Although it is a bit too stiff on the bourbon, it pushes the envelope...I hope it gets better with some time on it. This was not a beer that I could drink in quantity, but a unique experience.

Consumed: 2/17/2010

Serving type: bottle

02-18-2010 06:51:32 | More by hayesez
Founders Nemesis 2009 from Founders Brewing Company
92 out of 100 based on 669 ratings.