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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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87
very good

1,304 Reviews
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Reviews: 1,304
Hads: 2,924
Avg: 3.89
pDev: 18.51%
Wants: 88
Gots: 376 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock | 7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of 99bottles
3.41/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a rich amber-brown body with a weak fizzy head that had poor retention. Thin off white lace remains atop the beer while being drank. Some slight lacing on sides of the glass.

Smell: Not very impressive. Some very sweet malt notes, but not very strong. Soft and round buttery smell.

Taste: Bland, I thought. The main taste is of sweet carmel malt and rich dark malts. Somewhat good interplay between a dry toasty aftertaste and a syrupy sweet forefront. This really lacks the nice fruity esters of some of the better dopplebocks. Alcohol is not obvious, but it is apparent. Very understated hop taste.

Mouthfeel: Decent. Smooth and rich, minimal cloying. Very faint carbonation.

Drinkability: Nothing wrong with it, I could have a few. The question is, why would I go to town with a boring dopplebock with the likes of Celebrator and Salvator out there? Take the training wheels off and go for a slightly more interesting take on the style. This is not bad in any way though. Oh yeah, this review was for a green glass bottle from a cooler, but I don't think that threw it off any, as I've had it before and thought it was constant.

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Photo of LongsPeakAveBrew
3.41/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Poured from a 500ml bottle into a tulip,

Apperance:
Thick Tan head on a dark brown body. Shows a dark Ruby with good clarity when held to the light. Head fades to a thin foam leaving little to no lacing.

Nose:
Sweet caramel and a little smoke

Taste:
Definite malt dominance but not overwhelming. The nose had me worried that I was in for a cloying sweetness. To the contrary, the malt goes from caramel to biscuit then herbal spicy hops, all the while maintaining a very nice balance.

Mouth feel:
big, chewy, and viscous. light carbonation.

Overall:
A nice big meaty beer. Drinkability suffers due to the viscosity and sweetness, but the size of the beer does a good job of masking the not insignificant alcohol.

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Photo of BirdFlu
3.41/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

served on tap in Germany pavilion in Epcot at Disney World, Orlando, Fla.

I was very happy to see a dopplebock as an option as extent of craft beer I've seen in Disney thus far is Sam Adams. Anyway, this beer is kind of average for a dopplebock in that the flavor and aroma are pretty standard, however not as bold as most. There is a malty, slightly chocolaty aroma and the flavor has a bit of a dry mouth aftertaste where a hint of hops is detectable. It is slightly on the lighter side of moderate body and gravity, so it isn't hard to get thru and doesn't weigh you down (not til the 2nd one at least). If you're looking for a bold dopplebock, this may not satisfy. However, it drinks nicely as a mellower DB while walking around Epcot's world showcase.. In a tropical storm, in my case today.

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Photo of scottoale
3.4/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bought this one cheep, $2 for a half liter brown glass bottle with a pink and gold label and nice neck foil, different than the one pictured here. It pours a dark copper-mahogany with a cream colored head that stuck around for a while. It settled to about an eighth of an inch with some healthy lacing trailing behind.

Nice sweet roasted malty nose, hints of caramel and earthy soil. Tastes rich and malty, some toffee and nuttiness comes through, with a grassy hop mellow finish. A little on the sweet side, hops seem a bit weak, alcohol is present but the body is lighter than I was expecting.

A bit watery in the mouth with a gentle warming as it leaves with a tad bit of a sweet finish. It fits it's style, I preferred the Celebrator I had yesterday over this one however...

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Photo of Mustard
3.4/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Presentation: 12oz. green bottle; no "bottled on" or "best before" warning, though none probably needed; purchased as a stray single from Trader Joe's for $1.00.

Appearance: Pours a garnet-tinged, dark brown; smallish, beige-colored head; b-cup's worth of lace; not much in the way of head retention.

Aroma: Somewhat faintly of dark bread and molasses.

Taste: Sweet, thick malt profile, albeit understatedly so on both accounts for the style (in my experience); primary flavors are of toffee, plum-like fruits, molasses and grain; medium-full body; smooth, creamy mouthfeel.

Notes: Timid taste profile for the style.

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Photo of TheFlern
3.4/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Dark brown with a little bit of reddish hue. White head dissipates to a very thin layer. No lacing.

Smell: Lots of luscious malt. Slight metallic taste in the background (probably from age).

Taste: Follows the nose. Slight skunk taste, most likely from age.

Mouthfeel: very smooth, good amount of carbonation.

Overall: I wish I could get this fresh. This is a good beer I can tell but age has taken its toll. Its too bad American breweries cannot produce top quality doppelbocks at this price.

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Photo of markskar
3.4/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Just had the S'muttonator and thought I'd try out a Doppelbock from Germany. I don't usually buy German beers--and it's not because I don't think they're good, but because I can't understand for the life of me why they continue to export their beer in green bottles.

Everyone knows that green bottles contribute to deterioration of the smell and taste of the beer. I mean, honestly, there must be tens of millions of Heineken and Becks drinkers in America who believe that their beer is <u>supposed<u/> to smell and taste that skunky.

But I digress, and will now proceed to review this particular bottle, which was in fact very tastey with a minimal amount of skunkiness to it. I won't be buying it regularly, but I'd definitely recommend giving it a try.

A - Pours clear dark copper. Nice beige head that settled pretty quickly. Not much lacing from this bottle and the carbonation quickly dissipated.

S - Not a very strong smell to it, but I was getting roasted malts and a nice fruitiness (like apple juice--not cidery though). As said above, minimal skunkiness *grumble*.

T - Lightly toasted with a strong estery fruitiness (again, with minimal skunkiness). Not very hoppy but good enough for my hop-bite-craving-palate. Overall, very pleasant.

M - Nice body, very smooth and not-too-thick, not-too-thin.

D - Quite drinkable, very pleasant abv in moderation.

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Photo of elgiacomo
3.39/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12oz green bottle, undecipherable date code. Pours brown (red under light) with a small tan head. Fades very quickly to a small ring and doesn't leave a bit of lacing. Completely flat by the time I'm halfway through the glass.

Aroma is caramel malt, raisins, figs, and other dark fruits, dark bread, cinnamon. Quite malty on the nose. Strength diminishes as it warms.

Flavor features toffee, caramel, dark fruits, a bit of chocolate, bread, some sweetness, not cloying, but becomes more pronounced as it warms.

Mouthfeel is a bit thin, low to medium carbonation.

Nice Doppelbock, not to the level of the excellent Ayinger Celebrator, but MUCH better than the sticky sweet ones such as Sam Adams, Primator, etc.

Glad I tried it...I've been wanting to explore a few other Doppelbocks and ultimately I'm finding it is a style I don't particularly enjoy despite being a fan of malty beers. Too thin and too sweet...would rather spend my money on some Dirty Bastard, etc...

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Photo of falloutsnow
3.39/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Pours a transparent reddish-amber in color into my Celebrator glass. Head is off-white, about 1.5 cm, and lasts a minute or two. Descends to a thin ring around the glass for the rest of the session. Lacing is very present, pronounced, and quite nice. Some minute amounts of visible carbonation.

Contrary to what seems to be consensus among other drinkers, I don't find this beer to be anything more than average in scent. I pick up heavy malts, a very slight amount of vague dessert spice, and syrupy dark fruits (think dried plums, not figs, which as a grower I can assure you are not necessarily "dark").

In taste, I pull up heavy, bready malts at first, blending into essential nutmeg oils, ending with a dash of alcohol and brown sugar. The aftertaste is a overly sweet, a bit cloying. Could have used a tad more hop character to cut this. As a side note, this is definitely a beer that improves in taste character as it warms.

Moderate carbonation fitting for the heavy thickness of the beer and its style. Finish is fairly dry and astringent, though not completely. All seems in order here.

The Optimator remains one of those standby doppelbocks if one can't find any superior beers of the style available. The price is generally right, and this is an standard bearer of the style, but it still pales in comparison to the pinnacles of the style due to its lackluster scent and somewhat tame taste.

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Photo of NicholasCasber
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Poured a nice dark brown, with little to no head, but a nice ring that has given me a little lacing.

S: The smell was very pumpkin in aroma with a quick hint of vanilla.

T: The pumpkin smell carried through to the taste, however, it just may be my untrained tongue not picking up on the right flavor notes.

M: The beer felt fairly watery, but not overly so.

D: Average on the drinkability, for no other reason than that pumpkin taste.

Overall, good beer, not the one I'd go for every day. Cheers.

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Photo of StevieW
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A nice looking deep dark brown to black color. Thin beige head. Decent roasted carmel, toffee sweet smells. Tastes were sublte, roasted carmel malty sweetness, slight bitter finish. A bit thin watery feel for a dopplebock. There are other more tasty dopplebocks out there, IMO, Salvator and Celebrator rank ahead of this one.

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Photo of TheDeuce
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a hazy dark color, very malty profile in the head and aroma. Taste is dark, somewhat sour malts come through, a hint of licorice, finishes dry not that smooth. Alcoholic but well hidden, very balanced and flavors do not muddle, overall a solid beer.

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Photo of ronniebruner
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A very nice, somewhat ticker beer. The beer pours a nice golden brown hue with a steady amount of carbonation and lace. The aroma is of lighter fruits and grains. The beer tastes the same, with a hint of molasses and caramel in the mix, without the burn. Leaves an okay aftertaste after each swig and goes down relatively smooth for being a tad bit bitter. Not a bad effort, I would recommend.

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Photo of Manosbeeroffate
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This is another oldy but goody for me, don't even remember how long it's been since I had this. Pours dark brown, very little head. Smells malty, tastes very malty, slightly burned with a bit of a hint of dried fruit. Overall it's pretty good, but not as good as I remembered, not sure what it is. Won't go seeking it out but can recommend it to anyone who has not tried it.

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Photo of Zraly
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A nice pour. Ruby brown with a decent tan head. Cling is in the modest range...a beer that is not necessarily "one" with the sides of the glass.

Carbonation seems on the mark. Smells of alcohol, malt, and a tad leathery. Flavors are sweet and malty, burnt coffee, and cream. Alcohol is prominent. The finish is extra dry, something like a red wine finish. Overall, not bad but it seems like it lacking a dimension in the flavor department. It doesn't finish as smooth as it potentially can.

Not my particular cup o' tea, but I can see how and why one might like this. And I think if you paired it up with a nice roast, a ladle of mushroom gravy, and some garlic mashed potatoes...I wouldn't say no.

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Photo of changeup45
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a deep amber-brown color with a thick tan head. Lots of lacing left on the glass. Aroma seems quite sweet with some maltiness and tart fruitiness. A sharp tart dark fruity taste mixed in with some roasted malts and sweet sugary notes. A little sour in the finish. Not bad.

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Photo of beertaster13
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Optimator is a quality beer at that, it pours a nice copper color with orange hints, a gorgeous tan head expands as you pour. The smell is of honey and caramel and deep roasted malts. The taste is very syrupy, caramel and roasted honey up front and a light grain after tone, not bad but a little to malty for my tastes, good solid beer however.

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Photo of illidurit
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a seidel. Dark clear umber with a nice thick tan head. Good lacing and retention. Aroma is freshly baked bread with a hint of darker fruits. Tastes like carbonated wheat bread. Accents of nuts and caramel, but really none of the chocolate and roasty notes that I expect from a doppelbock. Not quite deep enough. Mouthfeel is rich and creamy, no complaints there. Decent drinkability but this one seems like a beer to pair with something rather than to drink on its own.

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Photo of KellyL
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark brown, light tan head with no retention.

S: Roasted malts along with plum, moderate alcohol smell as well.

T: molasses, roasted malt, caramel, alcohol taste remains for a bit.

M: medium-high body, smooth on the palate.

O: it's a good beer, can't drink very many with the high-ish ABV. It's nice to have and sip with dinner... Or lunch as I did.

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Photo of Floydster
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle from Cost Plus World Market in Redlands

Pour was pretty dark brown with a small head that faded quickly

Not near as good as Celebrator to me, but not bad

Smell was malty and full of sugar

Taste had a nice finish and was smooth with a little more sweetness than I anticipated

Could drink a six pack of these if you wanted to

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Photo of Nerudamann
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Look - Dark, but a deep amber when held up in the light. Two fingers of foam that disipates pretty quickly. Good carbonation from what I can tell.

Smell - Malty as one would expect. Hints of mollasses and/or caramel.

Taste - Fairly malty and sweet, but leaning more toward the sweet side. Good and strong at the back of the palate, with an aftertaste the lingers toward the mid upper part of the palate.

Mouthfeel - Fairly creamy and filling in texture.

Drinkability - Aftertaste and filling nature makes this one hard to come back to more than once in a night for me. But still a good doppelbock.

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Photo of Rennpferd
3.37/5  rDev -13.4%
look: 3 | smell: 1 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

It poured dark brown like molasses with a 1 inch head that disappeared quickly.

It had no smell that I could detect. The bar that I was in had a bad smell to it. But I think I should have smelled something.

It was rich and malty. It was smooth with a nice wet finish. I found it to be well balanced and refreshing. A nice hops taste on the backend.

I could drink this a couple of times but it is too strong to drink all night

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Photo of MTNboy
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance- It poured nice and smooth into my pint glass there is a little redness to this mainly brown beer. The head is off white but almost tan with some nice staying power and lace.

Smell- Sweet and malty for the most with a faint alcohol scent.

Taste- There is not much for bitterness but it is a sweet and roasty beer.It has a real sweet and fruity like flavor a little beany followed by a little bit of a metallic aftertaste.

Mouthfeel- Very smooth and full. Marginally smooth and body consistency.

Drinkability- A great overall beer.

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Photo of WesWes
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

The beer pours a dark amber color with a thick frothy head. The aroma is decent. It has a pale scent with the addition of some crystal malts. The taste is good. It has a nice malty flavor to go with the pale malts and yeast. The mouthfeel is fine. It is a medium bodied beer with adequate carbonation. It drinks well. This is a very enjoyable doppellbock.

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Photo of FACSman
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a pint glass from a 12 oz bottle. Nice dark brown color with a thin head that hangs around tonicely lace the sides of the glass. No hop aroma with slight malt aroma. Hint of 'green bottle skunk'. Flavor of sweet malt predominates and that damn green bottle skunk is definately there. Light carbonation and a relatively light mounthfeel belies the beer's actual gravity, providing a pleasantly drinkable beer.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 1,304 ratings.