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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Reviews: 1,297
Hads: 2,887
Avg: 3.89
pDev: 18.25%
Wants: 88
Gots: 357 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of markskar
3.4/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Just had the S'muttonator and thought I'd try out a Doppelbock from Germany. I don't usually buy German beers--and it's not because I don't think they're good, but because I can't understand for the life of me why they continue to export their beer in green bottles.

Everyone knows that green bottles contribute to deterioration of the smell and taste of the beer. I mean, honestly, there must be tens of millions of Heineken and Becks drinkers in America who believe that their beer is <u>supposed<u/> to smell and taste that skunky.

But I digress, and will now proceed to review this particular bottle, which was in fact very tastey with a minimal amount of skunkiness to it. I won't be buying it regularly, but I'd definitely recommend giving it a try.

A - Pours clear dark copper. Nice beige head that settled pretty quickly. Not much lacing from this bottle and the carbonation quickly dissipated.

S - Not a very strong smell to it, but I was getting roasted malts and a nice fruitiness (like apple juice--not cidery though). As said above, minimal skunkiness *grumble*.

T - Lightly toasted with a strong estery fruitiness (again, with minimal skunkiness). Not very hoppy but good enough for my hop-bite-craving-palate. Overall, very pleasant.

M - Nice body, very smooth and not-too-thick, not-too-thin.

D - Quite drinkable, very pleasant abv in moderation.

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Photo of elgiacomo
3.39/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12oz green bottle, undecipherable date code. Pours brown (red under light) with a small tan head. Fades very quickly to a small ring and doesn't leave a bit of lacing. Completely flat by the time I'm halfway through the glass.

Aroma is caramel malt, raisins, figs, and other dark fruits, dark bread, cinnamon. Quite malty on the nose. Strength diminishes as it warms.

Flavor features toffee, caramel, dark fruits, a bit of chocolate, bread, some sweetness, not cloying, but becomes more pronounced as it warms.

Mouthfeel is a bit thin, low to medium carbonation.

Nice Doppelbock, not to the level of the excellent Ayinger Celebrator, but MUCH better than the sticky sweet ones such as Sam Adams, Primator, etc.

Glad I tried it...I've been wanting to explore a few other Doppelbocks and ultimately I'm finding it is a style I don't particularly enjoy despite being a fan of malty beers. Too thin and too sweet...would rather spend my money on some Dirty Bastard, etc...

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Photo of falloutsnow
3.39/5  rDev -12.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Pours a transparent reddish-amber in color into my Celebrator glass. Head is off-white, about 1.5 cm, and lasts a minute or two. Descends to a thin ring around the glass for the rest of the session. Lacing is very present, pronounced, and quite nice. Some minute amounts of visible carbonation.

Contrary to what seems to be consensus among other drinkers, I don't find this beer to be anything more than average in scent. I pick up heavy malts, a very slight amount of vague dessert spice, and syrupy dark fruits (think dried plums, not figs, which as a grower I can assure you are not necessarily "dark").

In taste, I pull up heavy, bready malts at first, blending into essential nutmeg oils, ending with a dash of alcohol and brown sugar. The aftertaste is a overly sweet, a bit cloying. Could have used a tad more hop character to cut this. As a side note, this is definitely a beer that improves in taste character as it warms.

Moderate carbonation fitting for the heavy thickness of the beer and its style. Finish is fairly dry and astringent, though not completely. All seems in order here.

The Optimator remains one of those standby doppelbocks if one can't find any superior beers of the style available. The price is generally right, and this is an standard bearer of the style, but it still pales in comparison to the pinnacles of the style due to its lackluster scent and somewhat tame taste.

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Photo of NicholasCasber
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Poured a nice dark brown, with little to no head, but a nice ring that has given me a little lacing.

S: The smell was very pumpkin in aroma with a quick hint of vanilla.

T: The pumpkin smell carried through to the taste, however, it just may be my untrained tongue not picking up on the right flavor notes.

M: The beer felt fairly watery, but not overly so.

D: Average on the drinkability, for no other reason than that pumpkin taste.

Overall, good beer, not the one I'd go for every day. Cheers.

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Photo of StevieW
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A nice looking deep dark brown to black color. Thin beige head. Decent roasted carmel, toffee sweet smells. Tastes were sublte, roasted carmel malty sweetness, slight bitter finish. A bit thin watery feel for a dopplebock. There are other more tasty dopplebocks out there, IMO, Salvator and Celebrator rank ahead of this one.

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Photo of TheDeuce
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a hazy dark color, very malty profile in the head and aroma. Taste is dark, somewhat sour malts come through, a hint of licorice, finishes dry not that smooth. Alcoholic but well hidden, very balanced and flavors do not muddle, overall a solid beer.

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Photo of ronniebruner
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A very nice, somewhat ticker beer. The beer pours a nice golden brown hue with a steady amount of carbonation and lace. The aroma is of lighter fruits and grains. The beer tastes the same, with a hint of molasses and caramel in the mix, without the burn. Leaves an okay aftertaste after each swig and goes down relatively smooth for being a tad bit bitter. Not a bad effort, I would recommend.

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Photo of Manosbeeroffate
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This is another oldy but goody for me, don't even remember how long it's been since I had this. Pours dark brown, very little head. Smells malty, tastes very malty, slightly burned with a bit of a hint of dried fruit. Overall it's pretty good, but not as good as I remembered, not sure what it is. Won't go seeking it out but can recommend it to anyone who has not tried it.

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Photo of Zraly
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A nice pour. Ruby brown with a decent tan head. Cling is in the modest range...a beer that is not necessarily "one" with the sides of the glass.

Carbonation seems on the mark. Smells of alcohol, malt, and a tad leathery. Flavors are sweet and malty, burnt coffee, and cream. Alcohol is prominent. The finish is extra dry, something like a red wine finish. Overall, not bad but it seems like it lacking a dimension in the flavor department. It doesn't finish as smooth as it potentially can.

Not my particular cup o' tea, but I can see how and why one might like this. And I think if you paired it up with a nice roast, a ladle of mushroom gravy, and some garlic mashed potatoes...I wouldn't say no.

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Photo of changeup45
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a deep amber-brown color with a thick tan head. Lots of lacing left on the glass. Aroma seems quite sweet with some maltiness and tart fruitiness. A sharp tart dark fruity taste mixed in with some roasted malts and sweet sugary notes. A little sour in the finish. Not bad.

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Photo of beertaster13
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Optimator is a quality beer at that, it pours a nice copper color with orange hints, a gorgeous tan head expands as you pour. The smell is of honey and caramel and deep roasted malts. The taste is very syrupy, caramel and roasted honey up front and a light grain after tone, not bad but a little to malty for my tastes, good solid beer however.

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Photo of illidurit
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a seidel. Dark clear umber with a nice thick tan head. Good lacing and retention. Aroma is freshly baked bread with a hint of darker fruits. Tastes like carbonated wheat bread. Accents of nuts and caramel, but really none of the chocolate and roasty notes that I expect from a doppelbock. Not quite deep enough. Mouthfeel is rich and creamy, no complaints there. Decent drinkability but this one seems like a beer to pair with something rather than to drink on its own.

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Photo of KellyL
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark brown, light tan head with no retention.

S: Roasted malts along with plum, moderate alcohol smell as well.

T: molasses, roasted malt, caramel, alcohol taste remains for a bit.

M: medium-high body, smooth on the palate.

O: it's a good beer, can't drink very many with the high-ish ABV. It's nice to have and sip with dinner... Or lunch as I did.

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Photo of Floydster
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle from Cost Plus World Market in Redlands

Pour was pretty dark brown with a small head that faded quickly

Not near as good as Celebrator to me, but not bad

Smell was malty and full of sugar

Taste had a nice finish and was smooth with a little more sweetness than I anticipated

Could drink a six pack of these if you wanted to

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Photo of Nerudamann
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Look - Dark, but a deep amber when held up in the light. Two fingers of foam that disipates pretty quickly. Good carbonation from what I can tell.

Smell - Malty as one would expect. Hints of mollasses and/or caramel.

Taste - Fairly malty and sweet, but leaning more toward the sweet side. Good and strong at the back of the palate, with an aftertaste the lingers toward the mid upper part of the palate.

Mouthfeel - Fairly creamy and filling in texture.

Drinkability - Aftertaste and filling nature makes this one hard to come back to more than once in a night for me. But still a good doppelbock.

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Photo of Rennpferd
3.37/5  rDev -13.4%
look: 3 | smell: 1 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

It poured dark brown like molasses with a 1 inch head that disappeared quickly.

It had no smell that I could detect. The bar that I was in had a bad smell to it. But I think I should have smelled something.

It was rich and malty. It was smooth with a nice wet finish. I found it to be well balanced and refreshing. A nice hops taste on the backend.

I could drink this a couple of times but it is too strong to drink all night

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Photo of MTNboy
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance- It poured nice and smooth into my pint glass there is a little redness to this mainly brown beer. The head is off white but almost tan with some nice staying power and lace.

Smell- Sweet and malty for the most with a faint alcohol scent.

Taste- There is not much for bitterness but it is a sweet and roasty beer.It has a real sweet and fruity like flavor a little beany followed by a little bit of a metallic aftertaste.

Mouthfeel- Very smooth and full. Marginally smooth and body consistency.

Drinkability- A great overall beer.

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Photo of WesWes
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

The beer pours a dark amber color with a thick frothy head. The aroma is decent. It has a pale scent with the addition of some crystal malts. The taste is good. It has a nice malty flavor to go with the pale malts and yeast. The mouthfeel is fine. It is a medium bodied beer with adequate carbonation. It drinks well. This is a very enjoyable doppellbock.

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Photo of FACSman
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a pint glass from a 12 oz bottle. Nice dark brown color with a thin head that hangs around tonicely lace the sides of the glass. No hop aroma with slight malt aroma. Hint of 'green bottle skunk'. Flavor of sweet malt predominates and that damn green bottle skunk is definately there. Light carbonation and a relatively light mounthfeel belies the beer's actual gravity, providing a pleasantly drinkable beer.

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Photo of lackenhauser
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Nice, deep chestnut color. Very thin head on top. Smell leaves a bit to be desired. Very, very metallic and almost "skunked". Good chewy malt flavor. Slightly sweet but not overly done. Small taste of caramel and a tinge of bitterness. Creamy and smooth mouthfeel. Very drinkable. Always has been for me. I wonder how fresh this bottle is. Still a great beer-I always pick it up when I see it in a store.

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Photo of Cunningham26
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

A- zero head but good carbonation points on the side of the american tumbler. pours a dark brown like a dark rum
S- big malts
T- good taste, maltiness with fruit, but an ever present boozyness runs through it and stunts the flavor profile. no hoppiness to be found, but the caramel and even maybe some really light chocolate notes are pleasant
M- for all the maltiness, this one falls thin, and the alcohol really pervades on the aftertaste. good carbonation throughout, it's almost like drinking a soda
D- maybe a few, but not sessionable. after a few though, trading down to something with lower abv and more balanced flavor like pale ale makes the latter taste wonderful

this wouldn't be a constant pick, but i wasn't disappointed.

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Photo of Aleks_P
3.35/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pretty dark brown but transparent with very thin tan/white head. Appears highly carbonated based on the bubbles racing to the surface.

Smell: Was surprised a bit to pick up some pretty heavy caramel malt notes, almost smells sweet.

Taste: Malts make this a little heavy and the higher ABV is apparent. No alcohol burn but definitely taste it. Pretty bitter or tart I guess, I am a little concerned this beer might be skunked (who knows how long it was on the shelf) but it is self-described as "malt liquor" so maybe it's what they were going for.

Mouthfeel: Light and pleasant, enjoy the carbonation which balances the malt notes.

Overall: Wasn't a huge fan of this beer but I've only had a couple of dopplebocks so maybe I'll appreciate it more when I've expanded my pallet a bit. Prefer something with a lower ABV and less sour/bitter notes. Again, possible this particular beer was skunked.

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Photo of donkeyrunner
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Spaten Optimator is better when said with a Schwarzenegger-like Bavarian accent. Paired with a nasty New England rainy day.

Clear, dark chestnut color with blood red highlights. Large off-white head leaves fair retention and a few lacey splashes. Malty aroma, nothing in particular (maybe a bit nutty if you force me to name a standout scent), just heaps of munich. Taste is similiar--lots and lots of munich. Hints of brownie mix with a nutty fade in back.

Though cleaner than most dbocks it lacks complexity and big beer feel.

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Photo of ChainGangGuy
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a clear, dark reddish-brown body with a small, off-white head.

Smell: Somewhat sweet-smelling aroma of carob, dark fruits, and apples.

Taste: Mild dark caramel flavor mixed with some carob sweetness. Accompanying notes of dark fruits and chewing tobacco. Very minor hint of apple. Only a faint amount of hop spiciness, but no real bitterness. Touch of alcohol on the finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation.

Drinkability: It's a pleasant middle-of-the-road doppelbock.

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Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Reviewed on 05/14/2009. 12 oz. bottle. Pours a clear dark brown with a small tan head. Aroma of pizza dough and roasted lager malts. Flavor is nice and doughy with some sweetness in the finish. A touch vegetal. Nice and pleasant to drink. An ok beer.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 1,297 ratings.