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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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2,749 Ratings
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Ratings: 2,749
Reviews: 1,295
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 72
Gots: 260 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of wheatyweiss
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into chalice.

Appearance is of maple syrup. Head is fizzy and quickly recedes.

Nose is of roasted malt and skunked hops. Alcohol and honey.

Flavor is thick and roastey. Caramel and honey with hops barely there. Chocolate sneaks in barely. Sweet sour yeast rides the back of the profile with a hot alcohol hit.

Mouthfeel is substantial, not bad.

Overall a little boozy for what it is. I could understand if it was much more of a flavorful beer.

Photo of Bizz88
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a dark mahogany brown with a one fingered offwhite head. Sweet malty aromas with hints of carmel and brown sugar. Taste as it smelled, with a boozy finish that wasn't over bearing. Nice medium body with good carbonation. Desent enough brew with a nice clean finish.

Photo of arizcards
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark brown color that poured a nice little head. Smells of sweet malts. Taste was a sweet malt beginning, almost creamy, finishing with a slightly bitter finish. Nice full mouthfeel to this brew. This is a very drinkable brew, very nice compared to most European beers I have had.

Photo of philibum13
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

It tastes a lot similar to a Sam Adams Winter Lager. It is a good, hearty beer and is recommended for cooler temperatures/seasons. It drinks as a fairly heavy beer. Although, its appearance is like a Guinness, it has a better drinkability. I'd give it a solid B or B+

Photo of kbnooshay
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3

The bottle is sorta intimidating after reading about the double shovels and how it a was going to kick my ass. It beer pours a really nice dark brown, with a good head that shrinks quickly. The smell is interesting, most noticeable to me was bread but also noted is a hint of chocolate, sweet smelling.The taste iis sweeet malty as hell. some hoppage. But the hops come in later. malty malty malty.The mouthfeel is great, medium yet sorta stickey. Damn the alcohol just kicked in on about the 4th sip. I really do like this, I was suprised because I had it before on tap at McGreggors and really wasn't feeling it. I found it easier to drink at the begining and although I really do enjoy it I wouldn't have more than 2 a night.

Photo of BeerLover99
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: dark chestnut brown body, trace off-white head,
mild lacing

S: roasted malt, nutty, caramel

T: same as the nose, hint of ripe fruit,
mild boozy finish

M: med body, smooth mouth

O: Very nice beer. Would get again
and also recommend, but there are
American craft doppelbocks that are superior.


Photo of Kelly88
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Cock and Bull. Served in an imperial pint glass.

A- the darkest of browns, maybe even black. Whitish tan head tops This dark brew and eventually calms to a halo of bone white ring. No real lacing to speak of.

S- really sweet and roasty malts. Lots of caramel and sugar. Very unique. I like this smell But it could be more aggressive.

T- sugar sweet chocolate with lots of sweet dark fruit. A touch of alcohol on the finish balances out the sweet.

M- pretty light. Kind of sweet but not in a totally overbearing way. Light enough to enjoy a few but has enough feel to deliver Nice flavor.

Overall a good beer that has nice flavor and good looks. I really enjoy the combination of really dark beer That is more sweet than roasty. Nice and a good representative of the style

Photo of NoLiberty
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a deep chestnut brownish red color. Very clear. A two finger head sets up on top and quickly settles into almost no lasting head with slight foam around the edges and little lacing. Carbonation is soft and very active when swirled.

Aroma is very crisp and clean. Strong grain and cereal notes present themselves on top of a subtle alcohol backbone. Melds nicely into a malty sweet bouquet of pale malt, toasted wheat and sweet dried fruit.

Starts sweet and moves to a clean dried fruit flavor in the middle and smooths it's way into an alcohol warmth toward the back and all wrapped up in a blanket of malt richness.

The clean, crisp, refreshing quality of this beer makes it incredibly drinkable and digestible. Not the best of its style but certainly shows amazing use of malt as the "secret ingredient" and how sweet and luscious can translate into a sessionable beer.

Photo of JMac311
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oh why oh why would they serve this is a 20oz pint glass!?! This was a fantastically refreshing doppelbock, that your's truly overindulged in. True to the style, it is dark and beautiful. Nothing amazing about the taste or aroma, but both are what you would expect from a doppelbock. The alcohol content is nicely masked by a smooth texture, that can sneak up on you very quickly!

Photo of RickS95
3.86/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours and extremely dark brown. Despite the dark color, it's clearish, similar to cola. The head is a dirty white, very thick and creally creamy looking. As the head falls, a beautiful lace is left stuck to the glass.

All malt. Some earthy floral notes, and maybe even some licorice, but very malty on the nose.

Like the nose, it's very malty. There's a nice hop presence in the finish. The middle is mostly earthy grains and some smoke.

I haven't had many lagers that had a good feel. This one was better than average as it was slightly sweet and creamy, however there was a watered down feel that I've come to hate in lagers. This one wasn't as bad, and that's keeping with the style.

Despite my not liking lagers, I could get used to this one. A bit thin for me, but overall a good beer.

Photo of breadwinner
3.86/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of Phyl21ca
3.86/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle courtesy of Daalamar: Poured a deep burgundy/brown color beer with a huge foamy head with great retention. Aroma of banana is really dominating and greatly enjoyable. Taste has also some definite trace of banana bread with a very nice presence of sweet malt. Alcohol is very well hidden and sadly the body is a bit too thin. Apart from that , this is a very good example of a style that I don’t have a chance to enjoy often.

Photo of mnrider
3.86/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. Green Bottle. Pry-Off. Some numbers on bottom of the bottle.

A: Pours a nice dark brown with a creamy off-white head. Nice retention with adequate lacing.

S: A mixture of malts and hops. The high alcohol of the beer comes through in the aroma.

T/M: Nice malty caramel. On the toasted side. Herbal hops try to balance as an alcohol taste comes in. Goes down smooth and finishes on the dry side.

O: A solid Doppelbock. Good taste, high ABV and easy to drink.


Photo of SpecialK088
3.87/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Had on tap at old Chicago

A-rich brown in color. About a one-finger head on the pour. The head retention is good.

S- sweet maple syrup brown sugar small roasted nutiness. Earthy hop character.

T- very earthy hops and malts. Warming due to alcohol content very toasty and nutty. The finish is boozy but not overbearing.

M&D- thin consistancy for a dopplebock, but overall medium bodied and very smooth and complex. Carbonation is solid and an easy drinking 7.5 percent

This is my fiances first review ever I think she did damn well

Photo of PorterLambic
3.87/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a chestnut brown with good head and lace.
Smell is sweet roasted malt, smoke, peat, grapes and yeast.
Taste is roasted malt, smoke, hint of grape, light alcohol, yeast and wood.
Mouthfeel starts a little rough but finishes smooth. Good body and light effervescence. Warms the throat nicely.
Drinkability is pretty good though the ABV holds it back more than it should for 7.2 %.

Photo of Halcyondays
3.87/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

16.9 oz. bottle, with regal label, says Since 1397,

A: Pours a medium shade of brown, with an initial tan, cola-coloured head, which quickly degrades into a thin film.

S: Smells of lots of caramel malt, fragrant, but kind of one-dimensional.

T: Malt city, full of sweet caramel malt, with a bit of a metallic tinge, which I always found to be a bit off-putting, but interesting, though it is a minor fault with this beer. The hops are there, but the malt steals the show.

M: Smooth, thick and heavy, quite robust.

D: A good dopplebock, for me not up there with Salvator and Celebrator, but a very good example of the style. A great beer and style for spring and the cooler months.

Photo of magictrokini
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pour is clear dark brown with red highlights, short off-white head. Roasted malt, maple syrup (nice call kmw), toffee, molasses in the aroma. Smooth mouthfeel. Rich flavors of malt, more molasses, cookie dough, toast, and alcohol. Smooth, crisp mouthfeel.

Photo of tweeder263
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out a clear brown/a,ber brew with a nice 2 finger head. Smells of all malt.Malty taste,,semi dry,,no noticable hop flavor/aroma.This is a pretty decent beer. Has a nice crisp mouthfeel,,and seems like i could have a few of these and not be tired of it.

Photo of hotstuff
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This brew poured a large tan head. There was virtually no lacing observed on the sides of my glass. It had an amber body to it. There was no carbonation observed with this brew. It had a fairly smooth taste to it. All in all this was a very good drink.

Photo of Hagbard
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The Optimator! A doppelbock, one of the styles I haven't yet completely wrapped my arms around. Sometimes I love them, sometimes they rub me the wrong way. This one pours a deep dark ruby color with bright red flames where light makes a valiant effort to escape. The aroma wafts up as dark overripe fruit, plums perhaps. I can't really pick out anything else in the aroma. The taste, however, is very complex. It begins with the dark fruit notes, but quickly fades to a bread taste. Fitting, considering the doppelbock's history. The bready taste fades into an alcoholic bite on the back of the tongue. The finish and aftertaste both exhibit more of the bready taste, this time even more magnified. This beer truly does seem chewy. The mouthfeel seems creamy and full, contributing to the chewy feel. I prefer this beer served cooler, in the 48-50 degree range. When it warms, the sweet fruit aspect dominates and becomes cloying. I've seen this in other dbacks, including Celebrator. I'm not sure if it's just me or not...

Overall, I wouldn't say I think this is a great or fantastic beer. However, I did enjoy the 6 pack I bought and I'll probably buy it in the future. It's very solid and interesting, plus the price is very reasonable.

Photo of carln26
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer poured from the tap into the mug a deep brown with ruby highlights, and a decent sized tan head. Wonderful sweet malt aroma rich with fig and sweet candy. The taste is like biting into a caramel apple. Toffee, caramel, and a rich sweetness. The mouth feel is smooth and rich, and despite the alcohol content, this beer is very drinkable.

Photo of kmo1030
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

the aroma is dominated by malt and fruit. caramel, brown sugar and nutiness on the malt end an d plum-y dark fruit on the fruity end.
the flavor begins with soft roasty, nutty caramel, followed shortly by molasses covered dark fruit, plum and raisin stand out. there are some rum type flavors in there to accompany a touch of warming alcochol.
the mouthfeel is on the fuller side. the carbonation is about just shy of moderately active.
drinkability is good dispite it becoming a touch cloying when it approaches room temp. it's not you typical doppelbock; it's a little fruitier, and one gets the feeling that the malts in this one are, on average, roasted a bit less than your usual doppelbock, but it's still a solid beer that is always sure to please especially on tap.

Photo of allforbetterbeer
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served in a snifter.

Pours revealing a clear, smoked ruby body under a finger of nearly white soft lush head.

Smells of thick chewy malts, in the best German tradition. Caramel and dark-grained bread are forward, with toasty notes in the back. A little swirl reveals a hint of something like hops, but this in minimal.

Caramel candy with darker thick malts is what my palate picks up the most in this flavor. No hops show up (as expected), but a little bitterness is present and does its job keeping this from being to sweet. The flavor is very malty but rather singular, which is good but not as good as the best, which typically exhibit notes of dark fruit, chocolate, and a greater smattering of malt flavors. Also, alcohol is slightly noted in the flavor.

The mouthfeel is thick and creamy even when served at fridge temp. Impressive.

Photo of soju6
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Pours a dark mahogany color with a small tan head and virtually no lacing.

S: Aroma of roasted malt, caramel, with some spice and bit of sugar sweetness.

T: Flavor of roasted malt, some dark fruit sweetness and bit of spice. Very subtle bitterness with a dry finish.

F: Medium body, smooth and creamy. Nice touch of alcohol warming. Very well balanced.

O: Very enjoyable. Nice offering of the style. Good beer to relax with.

Photo of cvstrickland
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle poured aggressively into a tulip yields a deep clear brown body with cranberry highlights capped with a milk-colored beige head of 3 fingers that retains at a fine-bubbled fluffy sheet and leaves wide webby bands of fine lacing.

Smell is faintly malty with a nice touch of chocolate.

Tastes sweet and chocolatey with a fruity note of alcohol and a little twang of coffee. Malts linger in the aftertaste with a faint hop bitterness.

Smooth and medium-bodied with minimal carbonation on the tongue. Delicious and very drinkable.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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