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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Ratings: 2,711
Reviews: 1,283
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 68
Gots: 233 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of mnrider
3.86/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. Green Bottle. Pry-Off. Some numbers on bottom of the bottle.

A: Pours a nice dark brown with a creamy off-white head. Nice retention with adequate lacing.

S: A mixture of malts and hops. The high alcohol of the beer comes through in the aroma.

T/M: Nice malty caramel. On the toasted side. Herbal hops try to balance as an alcohol taste comes in. Goes down smooth and finishes on the dry side.

O: A solid Doppelbock. Good taste, high ABV and easy to drink.


Photo of SpecialK088
3.87/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Had on tap at old Chicago

A-rich brown in color. About a one-finger head on the pour. The head retention is good.

S- sweet maple syrup brown sugar small roasted nutiness. Earthy hop character.

T- very earthy hops and malts. Warming due to alcohol content very toasty and nutty. The finish is boozy but not overbearing.

M&D- thin consistancy for a dopplebock, but overall medium bodied and very smooth and complex. Carbonation is solid and an easy drinking 7.5 percent

This is my fiances first review ever I think she did damn well

Photo of PorterLambic
3.87/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a chestnut brown with good head and lace.
Smell is sweet roasted malt, smoke, peat, grapes and yeast.
Taste is roasted malt, smoke, hint of grape, light alcohol, yeast and wood.
Mouthfeel starts a little rough but finishes smooth. Good body and light effervescence. Warms the throat nicely.
Drinkability is pretty good though the ABV holds it back more than it should for 7.2 %.

Photo of Halcyondays
3.87/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

16.9 oz. bottle, with regal label, says Since 1397,

A: Pours a medium shade of brown, with an initial tan, cola-coloured head, which quickly degrades into a thin film.

S: Smells of lots of caramel malt, fragrant, but kind of one-dimensional.

T: Malt city, full of sweet caramel malt, with a bit of a metallic tinge, which I always found to be a bit off-putting, but interesting, though it is a minor fault with this beer. The hops are there, but the malt steals the show.

M: Smooth, thick and heavy, quite robust.

D: A good dopplebock, for me not up there with Salvator and Celebrator, but a very good example of the style. A great beer and style for spring and the cooler months.

Photo of magictrokini
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pour is clear dark brown with red highlights, short off-white head. Roasted malt, maple syrup (nice call kmw), toffee, molasses in the aroma. Smooth mouthfeel. Rich flavors of malt, more molasses, cookie dough, toast, and alcohol. Smooth, crisp mouthfeel.

Photo of tweeder263
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out a clear brown/a,ber brew with a nice 2 finger head. Smells of all malt.Malty taste,,semi dry,,no noticable hop flavor/aroma.This is a pretty decent beer. Has a nice crisp mouthfeel,,and seems like i could have a few of these and not be tired of it.

Photo of hotstuff
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This brew poured a large tan head. There was virtually no lacing observed on the sides of my glass. It had an amber body to it. There was no carbonation observed with this brew. It had a fairly smooth taste to it. All in all this was a very good drink.

Photo of Hagbard
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The Optimator! A doppelbock, one of the styles I haven't yet completely wrapped my arms around. Sometimes I love them, sometimes they rub me the wrong way. This one pours a deep dark ruby color with bright red flames where light makes a valiant effort to escape. The aroma wafts up as dark overripe fruit, plums perhaps. I can't really pick out anything else in the aroma. The taste, however, is very complex. It begins with the dark fruit notes, but quickly fades to a bread taste. Fitting, considering the doppelbock's history. The bready taste fades into an alcoholic bite on the back of the tongue. The finish and aftertaste both exhibit more of the bready taste, this time even more magnified. This beer truly does seem chewy. The mouthfeel seems creamy and full, contributing to the chewy feel. I prefer this beer served cooler, in the 48-50 degree range. When it warms, the sweet fruit aspect dominates and becomes cloying. I've seen this in other dbacks, including Celebrator. I'm not sure if it's just me or not...

Overall, I wouldn't say I think this is a great or fantastic beer. However, I did enjoy the 6 pack I bought and I'll probably buy it in the future. It's very solid and interesting, plus the price is very reasonable.

Photo of carln26
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer poured from the tap into the mug a deep brown with ruby highlights, and a decent sized tan head. Wonderful sweet malt aroma rich with fig and sweet candy. The taste is like biting into a caramel apple. Toffee, caramel, and a rich sweetness. The mouth feel is smooth and rich, and despite the alcohol content, this beer is very drinkable.

Photo of kmo1030
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

the aroma is dominated by malt and fruit. caramel, brown sugar and nutiness on the malt end an d plum-y dark fruit on the fruity end.
the flavor begins with soft roasty, nutty caramel, followed shortly by molasses covered dark fruit, plum and raisin stand out. there are some rum type flavors in there to accompany a touch of warming alcochol.
the mouthfeel is on the fuller side. the carbonation is about just shy of moderately active.
drinkability is good dispite it becoming a touch cloying when it approaches room temp. it's not you typical doppelbock; it's a little fruitier, and one gets the feeling that the malts in this one are, on average, roasted a bit less than your usual doppelbock, but it's still a solid beer that is always sure to please especially on tap.

Photo of allforbetterbeer
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served in a snifter.

Pours revealing a clear, smoked ruby body under a finger of nearly white soft lush head.

Smells of thick chewy malts, in the best German tradition. Caramel and dark-grained bread are forward, with toasty notes in the back. A little swirl reveals a hint of something like hops, but this in minimal.

Caramel candy with darker thick malts is what my palate picks up the most in this flavor. No hops show up (as expected), but a little bitterness is present and does its job keeping this from being to sweet. The flavor is very malty but rather singular, which is good but not as good as the best, which typically exhibit notes of dark fruit, chocolate, and a greater smattering of malt flavors. Also, alcohol is slightly noted in the flavor.

The mouthfeel is thick and creamy even when served at fridge temp. Impressive.

Photo of soju6
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Pours a dark mahogany color with a small tan head and virtually no lacing.

S: Aroma of roasted malt, caramel, with some spice and bit of sugar sweetness.

T: Flavor of roasted malt, some dark fruit sweetness and bit of spice. Very subtle bitterness with a dry finish.

F: Medium body, smooth and creamy. Nice touch of alcohol warming. Very well balanced.

O: Very enjoyable. Nice offering of the style. Good beer to relax with.

Photo of cvstrickland
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle poured aggressively into a tulip yields a deep clear brown body with cranberry highlights capped with a milk-colored beige head of 3 fingers that retains at a fine-bubbled fluffy sheet and leaves wide webby bands of fine lacing.

Smell is faintly malty with a nice touch of chocolate.

Tastes sweet and chocolatey with a fruity note of alcohol and a little twang of coffee. Malts linger in the aftertaste with a faint hop bitterness.

Smooth and medium-bodied with minimal carbonation on the tongue. Delicious and very drinkable.

Photo of projectflam86
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Went to a nearby German bar to try out some new beers and thought the Optimator looked like a good choice.

A- Pours a decent 1" tan head with ok retention and some lacing throughout. Color was nice dark amber.

S- Strong roasty malt smell with coffee overtones and little bit of hops

T- Very full roasted malt flavor with coffee and caramel taste present. Mild carbonation and a little bit of yeast. Not quite liquid bread as I've heard but I could see where some would get that :)

M- Medium body and surprisingly smooth considering the high ABV. The aftertaste stays around for a while which seems to be mostly roasted coffee in flavor.

D- Overall a pretty good beer. I would have it again considering that it is pretty easy to drink and had an interesting flavor (which was present better as the beer warmed a little bit). Just watch out for the 7.2 ABV. It might sneak up on you if you want to enjoy a couple!

Photo of chocosushi
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12oz->Nondescript Shaker
A ~ Pours woody brown (dark mahogany) with crystal clarity & a good amount of very spongy off-white head.

S ~ Fresh, thick cut dark bread (wheat or rye), banana chips, black pepper. . .some raisins

T ~ Loads of dark breads, sliced grapes, dates & roasted malts. Slightest bit of hop bitterness with specks of smoke & pepper.

M ~ Extremely easy going down, medium in body.
Good spicy feel on the tounge.
After a while there is a ton of cloy on the tongue,
which was pretty unexpected.

D ~ The first Doppelbock I ever had, back in the day...these
days, though...I would probably pick something else before this one. Fun to revisit nonetheless & should be tried by all.

Photo of sinistrsam
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Brown-red color with a medium head.

Smell: Aroma was mild, but had hints of malt and hops.

Taste: The taste was bitter and had a lot of flavor, and finished sweet. Very pleasurable.

Mouthfeel: Mild carbonation. Finished crisp and refreshing.

I most certainly need to try more Doppelbocks but enjoyed this one very much.

Photo of tgbljb
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

poured a deep mahagony color with massive creamy tannish head. Left nice lacing on the side of the glass. Smell is dark fruity and malty. Taste shows more of the malt flavors with an initail strong hop presence that slowly fades to present a nice balancing effect as the beer slowly warms. Nice creamy mouth feel with a slight nate of alcohol at the finish. Nice and drinkable. Very enjoyable.

Photo of Cheshire_Crew_Al
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Poured from a bomber into a pint glass, 3-4 cm head

color is a deep brown with slight reddish hint

S: slight smokiness to accompany some fruit,

T: slightly disappointing, some smoke and a bit of sweetness - caramel along with a slight nutty taste - but overall does not have the depth of flavor of others in this style

M: medium carbonation, smooth however, much easier to drink than ABV would suggest

O: Very, very good doppelbock, not great, missing a little something in the flavor that I cannot pinpoint, it has several of the hints of taste that I like about the style but leaves a slightly bland aftertaste however

Photo of JWU
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle poured into a straight sided pint glass.

A- dark brown with ruby highlights. Thin off-white almost tan head, that dissipates quickly No lacing.

S- dark brown sugar, some dark fruit, not much aroma is there.

T- Dark brown sugar, dark fruits, toasted caramel, and some light herbal hops. The taste overall is a little rougher than some more refined examples of the style.

M- medium-high carbonation. Semi-dry finish.

O- while it's not on the same level as Ayinger Celebrator, it's also half the price. A very good basic introduction to the style for those who haven't enjoyed a doppelbock before.

Photo of BigRedN
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours from the 1 pint 0.9 fl.oz. bottle into a pint glass a dark amber, near brown color. Clear liquid with a nice 1 inch head. Head falls to a good solid cover on the liquid. Good lacing as the beer is consumed. A nice lookin brew.

Smell: Malty, sweet malt. Roasted caramel, a little nutty and buscuity, but definitely malty. One thing that I do note in this is the aromas are a little subdued.

Taste: A "malt bomb" if you will. All malt, sweet malt, a little caramelly, touch nutty. A little bite on the finish, probably the alcohol coming through, I detect little in the way of hops here. Just a good malty brew.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied, a little lighter than I expected. Decent carbonation, not a significant alcohol burn.

Drinkability: Deceptively easy to drink, which is bad considering the alcohol content of this beer. However, for this beer I consider this a negative trait, as I like my doppelbocks to be a little "bigger" feeling if you will.

Photo of cdkrenz
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Medium brown colored body with a nice, thick, frothy pale tan head more than three inches tall. When held to light the body has a nice deep purple accent.

S - Medium roasted malt with a hint of pungency.

T - Robust medium roasted malts with a slight bitterness and alcohol presence. The finish is sweet.

M - Sticky and thick for the part. Just like I like a good Doppelbock.

~ This is a good beer. I'm a big fan of the style and I'm a big fan of this brew. Now if I could venture to Munich and try a fresh one from the tap.

Photo of filabrazilia
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown with amber hues. A small tan head sits atop and leaves trails of lace on the glass.

There is a slight toasted malt aroma with a light sting of alcohol. Nothing too remarkable.

The flavor is good with a deep malty nut flavor. A gentle sweetness balances the alcohol bite in the finish. Interesting and enjoyable.

This is a medium bodied and creamy smooth beer in the mouth. A touch of alcohol resonates pleasantly in the taste.

This is a solid dopplebock that is fun to drink. It's a nice spring or fall beer.

Photo of Bonhoeffer
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Three words come to mind when i sip an Optimator: sweet malty goodness. Doppelbocks make lagers interesting, and this is a prime example of the style. IMHO, every bit as good as Ayinger Celebrator, but usually half the cost.

Just enough hops to keep it from being cloying, but barely. This is a fairly sweet beer. Nice little alcohol warmth accompanies each sip.

I've had this both in 12 oz bottles and 500ml bottles. Haven't discerned any difference in taste between the two.

Photo of clayrock81
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A thick, cola like blackness oozed into my glass and left a small head and minimal lace rings. A malty smell of coffee and roasted malt (maybe cocoas) and some sweet smells also. A coffee, roasted malt taste with an overlying smoothness brought on by caramel. Moderate dryness on the backbite, as the alcohol is somewhat noticeable but doesn't ruin the beer. A tad simplistic but a solid beer worth trying and having a couple at the bar.

Photo of xnicknj
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

on tap at brauhaus schmitz in philly

Pours a deep brown, almost black with plenty of bubbly head leaving a collar of lacing on the glass.

Scents of heavily roasted malt, licorice, caramel, and some soft hop bitterness in the nose.

A wave of roasted malt coupled with some rich sweetness. Raisin and licorice slice through the palate with some other assorted dark fruit. Light hop bitterness with some piny notes. Slight alcohol warmth with sweetness in the finish.

Fuller rich body, medium carbonation, smooth on the palate. Decent drinking with enjoyable flavor and a solid example of the style.

Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 2,711 ratings.