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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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87
very good

2,430 Ratings
THE BROS
86
very good

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Ratings: 2,430
Reviews: 1,260
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 55
Gots: 113 | FT: 0
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Germany

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

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CortexBomb

Michigan

2.48/5  rDev -36.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Pour is deep amber with not a lot of head on top. The smell is very malty, caramel prominent.

The flavour starts out with that same caramel sweetness, a bit of dark fruits, and a bit of an alcohol tone. Not as big as most Doppelbocks though, the flavours are there, but they aren't huge. Below average for the style.

The mouth on this, about average. Maybe a bit thin, but not bad. Drinkability, a 2. I'm unlikely to buy this again, just not good enough for the style.

The bottom line: I'm a big fan of the Doppelbock style, and while this is a passable example there are numerous others that I would take over this, including locally brewed options.

Serving type: bottle

11-16-2007 02:09:19 | More by CortexBomb
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scottum

Vermont

2.48/5  rDev -36.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Pours a sexy deep brown with a nice big full tan headskie. Tastes, um... sickly sweet. Malts are big and full of sugars. All balance is shot by the sweet-tooth, alas. There might be more to this beer behind the sweet malts, but I'm too overpowered to find it. Mouthfeel and drinkability also suffers from sweetness. There are many many many better doppelbocks available.

Serving type: bottle

08-24-2005 01:39:59 | More by scottum
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Arithmeticus

Maryland

2.48/5  rDev -36.2%
look: 5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Poured chilled in flared glass

A: dark caramel, clear; very thick head; good carb beads; great lacing
S: a bit univiting; thin, malty (sweet) aroma; but I don't smell a bock here
T: one-dimensional bock; little double about it
M: watery, thin, dead

It looks fantastic, but 'tain't.

Serving type: bottle

09-26-2011 15:28:00 | More by Arithmeticus
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JayTurk

Wisconsin

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

02-06-2012 03:38:03 | More by JayTurk
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CincinnatiChris


2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

12-03-2012 21:16:27 | More by CincinnatiChris
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wpqx

Illinois

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

09-12-2013 15:19:55 | More by wpqx
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HairyToeKnuckles

Nebraska

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

05-24-2012 21:39:40 | More by HairyToeKnuckles
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misconceived

Massachusetts

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

09-27-2013 09:41:45 | More by misconceived
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GarrettFM

Illinois

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

02-22-2014 00:01:48 | More by GarrettFM
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Satan70

Wisconsin

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

02-20-2012 03:20:06 | More by Satan70
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Mycatfinneas

North Dakota

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

05-28-2014 03:59:26 | More by Mycatfinneas
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udubdawg

Kansas

2.5/5  rDev -35.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

wow, this pours a gorgeous deep amber/brown color, topped by an inch of tan dense head that fades to a finger before sticking around quite a while. Spots of lacing are even left here and there.

Sadly the beer goes downhill quickly from the looks department. Definite "skunked" note in the aroma. It's not even very old. Vague sweet toasty Munich notes, but also a bit of a tart edge, and definitely a decent amount of metallic. Not impressed.

There is promise in the flavor, but too much wrong with it. Fairly sweet, some browned/toasted malt, nothing I'd call rich or "meal in a glass". Bitterness is low, metallic is not overwhelming but noticeable. Not roasty, but no chocolate either. Sweet malt with a touch of tartness is the lingering flavor on my palate. I either need it with a fuller mouthfeel and a richer malt profile if it is going to be this sweet, or I need it drier, more bitter, and maybe more alcohol. Either would be fine.

Body is surprisingly thin. Carb is appropriate, and as it is thin and not terribly high in alcohol, it is reasonably drinkable. The best thing that I can say about this beer is that it is a "looker"...but that isn't enough for me to buy it again.

Serving type: bottle

05-22-2010 00:17:09 | More by udubdawg
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SamN

Colorado

2.55/5  rDev -34.4%
look: 3 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

This beer pours a pretty dark amber color, almost a purple shade. Thin looking, not much to it. Head is fairly minimal, I feel like it should be more. Smell is skunky...yep, sour metallic skunkiness fills the glass, making it smell more like a cheap Euro lager than a rich malty Munich-brewed doppelbock. Slight hazelnut notes, but mostly skunk. Pew! Taste doesn't seem to be terribly affected, though. Can detect some smooth creamy toffee notes, but it doesn't last and the metal twang of skunk kills the flavor before it can bloom. Body is pretty good for the style, not thick, but solid and more mass.

Bottom line; this is why we don't put beers in green bottles! I'm sure this import version isn't as good as the real deal in Deutschland, and the fact that it made a long journey a long time ago makes this particular example a disappointment. I'll be keeping an eye out for a fresher version.

Serving type: bottle

05-07-2011 05:38:36 | More by SamN
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SnowGoon99

Maine

2.55/5  rDev -34.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

Serving type: bottle, poured into Stella Artois glass

Unfortunately this beer suffered from it's packaging and handling. First of all it came in a green bottle which i didn't notice until i poured it out. So bad sign off the bat. Second of all the initial aroma was that of oxidation. Hiding in the background was some toasty and bready notes which would have stood out more if not for the oxidation.

Color was great. When held up to light it was a deep red and very clear.

Tasting was a little better than aroma but not phenomenal. Carbonation was slightly high but not off-putting. Mouthfeel was very thin which surprised me for such a high alcohol beer. The Bock-type notes were there but aroma definitely effected flavor impression.

Overall it was not a great beer tasting experience. I would have loved to try this beer on tap in Munich. I believe it would make all the difference.

Serving type: bottle

09-04-2010 15:20:52 | More by SnowGoon99
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Delirium

Massachusetts

2.58/5  rDev -33.7%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

Clear dark brick red pour gives way to quickly settling head with floating clusters of bubbles around the edge if the glass. Smells like a fruit salad left in the sun all day. Acidic and sweet like bile and corn. Maybe this beer tastes better on tap in Munich, tastes to me like concentrated ghetto 40oz.

Serving type: bottle

03-15-2003 11:12:29 | More by Delirium
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PAvolksbiermann

Pennsylvania

2.6/5  rDev -33.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Warning this is an A.B.Inbev beer most people don't realize this! This is a very dark beer that has malt liquor listed on the label. It is moderately strong (7.2%) which an average beer drinker probably would not like. Has a strong grape / earthy after taste with a hint of what I like to call liquid smoke taste (roasts). Very sudsy with lacing (high sugar content) left on the inside of the bottle.

Serving type: bottle

03-11-2011 00:31:16 | More by PAvolksbiermann
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etaggie09

Texas

2.65/5  rDev -31.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Brown with a ruby tint. Pretty good head and lacing. Whitish brown head that stayed for a little while.

Aroma: Malty, fruity, alcoholic. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Taste: not much here. A light sweet malty flavor with a little chocolate in the background but I can't find much else.

Mouthfeel: Watery with moderate carbonation. Nowhere near as strong as a dopplebock's mouthfeel should be.

Drinkability: Easy, but why would you want to have another?

Notes: This was not very impressive to me. I had both the Ayinger Celebrator and Samichlaus in the same weekend, and this one impressed me as being average, almost bock-like in its maltiness, certainly not up to dopplebock standards.

Serving type: bottle

10-11-2004 16:11:41 | More by etaggie09
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madvermin

California

2.65/5  rDev -31.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Pours dark brownish black with plenty of ruby red highlights. Head is one-finger, white, and dissipated quickly. Lace is nonexistent.

Nose is of dark fruit and sweet malt. The sweetness is one part molasses and one part candy sugar, and it's a bit too much for my taste. Plums are the fruit that comes out the most, and they are definitely enjoyable.

Taste follows the nose pretty much exactly, with plums and figs making up the fruit profile, and a sugary sticky sweetness coming from the malt. It's a wee bit roasted, but not much. The beer is too sweet to me, and booze coming out at the tail end of sips doesn't help matters.

A medium body and prickly carbonation make for a decent combination in terms of mouthfeel, but I just dislike the dry finish combined with the sweetness in the taste. Drinkability is ok, but held back by the finish and alcohol - both the taste and abv components.

Serving type: bottle

05-04-2011 04:03:27 | More by madvermin
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AdamBear

Pennsylvania

2.68/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

A-dark brown. slightly translucent. cream colored head that disappears

S-smells like syrup with a hint of molasses spice

T-comes in with an odd taste of dark grains and molasses syrup. it's a weirdly aged taste that i'm not fond of at all. matching after-taste.

M-medium carbonation with a very dry finish

O-this is one of the least drinkable german beers that i've had. something about it doesn't sir right with me. its fairly harsh and seems to be very off balanced. i think the molasses syrupy taste to it is just too much.

Serving type: bottle

04-13-2012 01:56:50 | More by AdamBear
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AndyBSound


2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

07-15-2014 19:54:44 | More by AndyBSound
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jaswilson2

South Carolina

2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

05-25-2013 03:08:06 | More by jaswilson2
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lesslikemath

Arkansas

2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

03-18-2013 22:01:11 | More by lesslikemath
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ejohnson654

North Carolina

2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

09-21-2013 01:19:27 | More by ejohnson654
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nklatt

Minnesota

2.75/5  rDev -29.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Deep amber color, small head, mild sweet flowery smell. Caramel-sweet taste, not strong alcohol - or anything else. Sticky, thin mouthfeel. Wouldn't want to drink more than a couple of these.

Serving type: bottle

02-26-2002 20:16:11 | More by nklatt
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braican

Massachusetts

2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

04-24-2012 22:17:05 | More by braican
Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 2,430 ratings.