Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Reviews: 1,290
Hads: 2,827
rAvg: 3.9
pDev: 10.51%
Wants: 79
Gots: 313 | FT: 0
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Germany

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of OldManMetal
3.76/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Spaten's Optimator doppelbock looks the part: a brief medium off-white creamy head atop a nice deep brown body. On the nose it is very sweet and malty: lots of nice caramel with lesser amounts of dark toffee and hints of molasses. The palate follows the nose: lightly roasted malt notes, largely caramel and toffee again, mostly balanced by a bit of hoppy bitterness but still a bit sweet; alcohol has a significant presence on the palate as well. The finish is malty and a bit sweet, followed by a slight bitterness; both the malt flavors and the bitterness linger a bit. Mouthfeel matches the medium body; the texture is creamy with a prickly feel from some very assertive carbonation. Pretty smooth-drinking for the ABV. (723 characters)

Photo of 360logic
3.86/5  rDev -1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

L: Standard dark amber of most doppelbocks. Medium thick head.

S: Dark cherry, toasted pumpernickel bread, sight yeastiness. A distinct metallic odor stands out though. Kind of unpleasant.

T: A somewhat indistinct dark maltiness interplays dark fruitswith . The finish is pretty strange, a weird sour funkiness gives way to a very flat maltiness before it disappears. Again, not an overly pleasant detail.

M: Medium body without too much carbonation. Pretty nice.

O: Pretty good. If I had never had the other major german doppelbocks I'd hold this in higher regard, but as it stands, this lies near the bottom of that list. (629 characters)

Photo of DoctorZombies
4.22/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Almost black pour with lite tan head; good lace. Sweet prune nose. Pruney malty flavors. Medium lite mouthfeel and crisp. I liked that I could taste a little alcohol in this dopplebock. (185 characters)

Photo of bwood06
3.81/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

A - dark brown in color with a very think white head. moderate carbonation. 3.75/5

S - grapenuts cereal. toasted dark bread. 4/5

T - toasted wheat bread. cereal. very little hops. 3.75/5

M - heavy body. not as carbonated as expected. 3.75/5

O - good beer with dinner. light but heavy. straightforward. 3.75/5 (324 characters)

Photo of ralph-pine
4.02/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This german Dock iis very honest, very transparent and very tasty. It feels lighter than others of the same category, despite its more than 7 degrees of alcohol. Very refreshing, perfect for anytime. (199 characters)

Photo of Premo88
3.77/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz. bottle poured into pilsener

L: crystal clear amber, almost scarlet red; lots of bubbles flying up middle of column, leaving a good skin and huge collar; head is not big, maybe 1/3 to 1/2-inch tall of beige/tan foam; no stick or lace

S: musty caramel; figs ... quite sweet, candied figs/fruitcake; very fruity ... peach, apricot and plum

T: very fruity and light ... like a toasted English pale ale; some earthy/dirt hops ... in fact, the hops really chew into the sweetness; slight bit of medicinal alcohol flavor; hint of skunk from the green bottle

F: very light, crisp ... full from the carbonation

O: pretty easy-drinking doppelbock, full of lighter dark-malt flavors -- only as it warms does it start to take on a raisin flavor ... until then, it's more fig and even peach. (796 characters)

Photo of MarkStewart
4.2/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Good but not great. Subtle hints of roasted malt on the nose with a smooth flavor and body with a creamy finish. So smooth in fact that you will not notice the slighty elevated ABV, I will definitely have it again. (214 characters)

Photo of tconboy
4.6/5  rDev +17.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

Pours a dark brown. I like the flat coke analogy. Head dissipates. Light lacing. Tastes of sweet delicious malty goodness with a hint of brown sugar and caramel. Incredibly smooth and very drinkable. Thankful I decided to pick up this as a throw in on a pick your own sixer so that I could celebrate the week's end today. Takes me back to Germany. (354 characters)

Photo of headbangingteacher
3.85/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

Looks like flat Coke after the thin but aromatic head dissipates. The malts are pronounced from start to finish. Not as good as the Heffe, but a quality brew nonetheless. (172 characters)

Photo of 29mikoyan
5/5  rDev +28.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

One of the best doppelbocks in the world. Molasses and nice dark bread define this beer. A beautiful fruity finish. One of the best lagers in the world and also the best beers in this world. (190 characters)

Photo of Marraybay
3.9/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

This has been my #2 mainstay of late. Overall, really like the flavor, which has a nice sweetness buried in the background. As a stout/porter fan, it's a nice deviation, without totally straying from the things I enjoy about that style. As others have stated, I find it does hit me a little hard as well, particular when consumed without food. I do very occasionally get a little bit of a metallic note in the mix --that's a little off-putting--but otherwise like the flavor. I also find that I prefer it throughly chilled and don't let it sit before drinking. (566 characters)

Photo of CraigS119
4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.25

Lots of nostalgia with this brew.. along with Delirium Tremens, this was my go-to beer at the local world-of-beer when I turned 21 back in 2011. Purchased the single bottle at Total Wine just for this review. Pours a cola brown, lots of bubbles, quickly fading head. Not as hoppy as I remember from draft.. notes of brown sugar malts, sweet potato in the nose. Taste: what a malt bomb; not what I remember at all (though, in my defense, I was probably quite inebriated and with this beer's well-masked abv, it's no wonder I loved it), the malts just over-power any inkling of alcohol, roasted caramel at the finish. Smooth, crisp, goes down real smooth. I remember when 7.6% abv was considered one of the manly beers, which is no doubt, the real reason why I drank it. Anywho, even though I love my IIPAs these days, Spaten and their Optimator will always have it's place. 8/10 (877 characters)

Photo of Gerald51
4.15/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

One of my favorite Doppelbocks from my time spent in Bavaria. Poured into a glass the first thing noticeable is the strong brown color with hints of Amber followed by a nice fruity aroma and nice brown head with lite lacing. Optimator is a very malty Doppelbock with great caramel and fruity flavors. It drinks easy and goes great with meals or by itself. It drinks so easy that the 7.60% ABV will sneak up on you before you know it. (434 characters)

Photo of DevAJ
4.39/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Hit me surprisingly hard for only being 7.6% abv, but then again I could have just downed it too quickly. If I downed it too quickly it's because it was surprisingly easy to drink. (181 characters)

Photo of vette2006c5r
2.97/5  rDev -23.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Optimator pours a dark brown color with a small lacing head. There is a sourish, grainish aroma. The taste has a sharp malt bite to it, grianish. A bit hard to drink. Overall its the worst, its a tad hard to drink, grainy. (226 characters)

Photo of Mike707
4.6/5  rDev +17.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into an over sized wine glass Optimator is a delicious malty Doppel Bock with Caramel and toasted malt notes. Definitely a cooler weather brew. Not as good as Paulaner Salvator Double Bock though!
Still can't go wrong with Optimator!
Why don't any American or Californian's brew a Bock or Doppel Bock ? All the so called "Micro Breweries" think the more Hops the better. Adding more Horsepower to a car doesn't necessarily make it better unless you add bigger brakes, suspension etc...
I don't drink those "New Jack" beers that taste like my Dad made it at home. Unless I'm drinking his. (601 characters)

Photo of majorbase2
3.83/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.75

Poured into New Glarus Pilsener. Pours a dark brown color with a big foamy, very light brown head. Recedes quickly. Leaves a small ring of lacing around the edges.

Aroma is of dark fruits and lightly roasted malts. Molasses. A good deal of sweetness.

Taste is roasted chocolate malts, a bit of molasses, and dark fruits led by fig and dark cherry. Light hops. A small amount of bitterness on the finish. THe chocolate is very smooth a silky, a very pleasant touch on the tongue with results in some excellent drinkability.

Medium bodied. Low carbonation. Goes down very smooth. Drank this one in about 15 minutes, and normally I take 30+.

Overall, and excellent example of a doppelbock. Distinct flavors and easy drinking make this an ideal introductory doppelbock (769 characters)

Photo of car2052
4.39/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Poured from 12 oz. bottle to pint glass.

A: Clear dark brown, almost black. Small lacing of tan head.
S: Strong smell of caramel malt, sweetness, toffee, cereal grains, and a plum/prune scent.
T: Sweet, yet strong malts akin to a porter show up first, followed by a bran cereal taste. Minimal hop taste. Not as much fruit in the taste. Finishes with an alcoholic bite at the end.
M: Medium to heavy. Malts coat your tongue at the end.
O: Not a bad doppelbock. Will have to try more to compare. (494 characters)

Photo of HamdenHector
4.23/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

A: crystal clear; deep ruby in color; 1 finger khaki head that receded to a thin, uneven, cap; very little lacing;

S: figs, prune, and molasses;

T: caramel up front; fruit cake at mid-palate, which fades as you get to the finish; light bitterness at the end;

M: medium bodied - almost a little syrups; effervescent carbonation; dry finish; rich; slight warming from the ABV;

O:loved the flavor; (398 characters)

Photo of CoffeePorter
3.77/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

A: Very dark, almost completely black
S: Like a thick malt with traces of hops, very earthy
T: A bit bitter as the hops would suggest, very dark and rich
M: Medium amount of carbonation
O: It's an okay beer, not a go to beer, but one that I would have on occasion (263 characters)

Photo of Beer-Revelry
3.95/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours a dark brown, almost pitch black.
S - Sweet and slightly alcoholic with traces of dates, coffee and dark chocolate.
T - A sweet and bitter malt.
O - One of my top 10 stouts of all time.
V - A little pricy, but definitely worth it. (243 characters)

Photo of Jeffsta1
3.72/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Dark color. Very little head.
The smell from the bottle hints of American Pilsener - not a good thing IMO.
Much richer mouthfeel than one would guess from the absence of head. I dig it.
Nice mild, malty flavor. It's almost as if they had a milk stout in mind when they devised the recipe.
Not a bad beer at all. It's not Celebrator, but it's very drinkable. (357 characters)

Photo of infinitebruner
3.85/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

December 27, 2014

500 ml bottle, weizen glass

A – Dark amber to medium brown, with some slightly red highlights in the narrow part of the glass. A finger of khaki foam and bubbles, with fairly low retention. Good clarity.

S – Roasty, chocolate malt, very well-baked brown bread. Similar to a Munich dunkel. Some earthy hop aroma. A good amount of malty sweetness is accented as the beer warms.

T – Dark, bready malt flavor, like chewing on moist bread crust. Some chocolate, caramel, not as sweet as it seemed on the nose. Again, earthy hops, slightly herbal/medicinal, and a moderate level of hop bitterness providing a strong backbone.

M – Medium-low carbonation, and both roasty malt and hop bitterness are the main things present. Not as sweet as I would expect based on the aroma profile. No warmth in spite of slightly higher ABV, though a bit thinner than a dunkel or regular bock.

O – Some very nice layering of aromas and flavor, with nothing jumping out but everything melding into a highly drinkable, higher alcohol-brew. This one could sneak up on you. A well-made beer. (1,109 characters)

Photo of stortore
3.89/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Tasty, smooth, not the depth of flavor or the rich, thick body of others. Had bottle (unseen) at a restaurant not known for its beer offerings, so maybe not tasting it at its best. (181 characters)

Photo of HawkFalco
4.25/5  rDev +9%

Tasted: Dec 14, 2014
Purchased: Dec. 10 2014
16.9 oz bottle

In short: Delicious German dark beer, sweet, smooth and creamy with just a touch of bitterness. This brew is a fine reason why I drink beer. I will certainly buy more and recommend it to my friends.

Poured refrigerator cold into a cold pint glass. Made a one finger head which disappeared fast.

Poured deep, dark brown. I had to hold up to the light to see the deep rosewood color.

Tastes malty, not overly sweet, with warming a light (and right) amount of bitterness becomes more pronounced, well balanced with the malty sweet. Alcohol buried and not forward at all.

Feels creamy, smooth.

Sorry to see the bottom of my glass. More, please. (710 characters)

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