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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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2,748 Ratings
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Ratings: 2,748
Reviews: 1,294
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 71
Gots: 260 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of brett606
3.25/5  rDev -16.5%

Photo of SIRIUS2
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into a pint glass.

Very dark brown, nearly black, with a very thin medium brown foam cap of only 1/4 inch or so. Relatively low head retention as the cap shifts to sporadic bubbles leaving little lacing.

Smell is quite sweet - you can almost close your eyes and imagine that you are smelling a glass of liquid malt extract. There's a bit of chocolate goodness on the nose too as part of the malt montage.

Fiercely malty but interestingly not cloyingly sweet. There is plenty of malt sweetness there but you can also pick out some minor bittering trying to take hold. The malt is definitely the star of the show and is prominent by leaps and bounds but somehow it still leaves room for some subtle nuances. I can only fathom a guess at the number of malts it took to produce this but it was quite good as dopple bocks go. The finish was, again, more malt but it didn't linger as long as you might think.

Carbonation was relatively light in this, almost like it struggled to make it through the malts. However this also seemed to add some character to it that makes it a bit different. I'm not a huge fan of dopple bock but I did enjoy this brew and would probably drink it again. It just kept pulling me back in for another taste. Nice.

Photo of elniko
4.19/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from bottle into pint glass.

A: Deep rich brown, very little head with decent lacing.

S: Nice smelling brew, hints of molasses and caramel. Very nice nose.

T & M: Very nice tones in the taste, a nice but not cloying sweetness to the brew. Caramel predominant in taste, along with some nice bready, malty tones. Mouthfeel very full, lingers after finishing.

D: Highly drinkable, a very enjoyable Doppelbock that I would love to have again.

Photo of mnrider
3.86/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. Green Bottle. Pry-Off. Some numbers on bottom of the bottle.

A: Pours a nice dark brown with a creamy off-white head. Nice retention with adequate lacing.

S: A mixture of malts and hops. The high alcohol of the beer comes through in the aroma.

T/M: Nice malty caramel. On the toasted side. Herbal hops try to balance as an alcohol taste comes in. Goes down smooth and finishes on the dry side.

O: A solid Doppelbock. Good taste, high ABV and easy to drink.


Photo of RichardMNixon
3.49/5  rDev -10.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a bottle into a seidel. Oktoberfest is here!

A: Nicely sized hazelnut-colored head quickly fades to nothing. Ruby/root beer colored body, flat looking after initial head.

S: Faintly metallic, but that fades quickly to malt, caramel, and licorice. Yeast and biscuit notes as it warms up, ultimately leading to burnt sugar.

T: Alcohol, caramel, and toast. Nice but nothing life-changing.

M: Tinglier than the flat body would suggest, with a pleasant amount of heat.

Photo of CortexBomb
2.55/5  rDev -34.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Pour is deep amber with not a lot of head on top. The smell is very malty, caramel prominent.

The flavour starts out with that same caramel sweetness, a bit of dark fruits, and a bit of an alcohol tone. Not as big as most Doppelbocks though, the flavours are there, but they aren't huge. Below average for the style.

The mouth on this, about average. Maybe a bit thin, but not bad. Drinkability, a 2. I'm unlikely to buy this again, just not good enough for the style.

The bottom line: I'm a big fan of the Doppelbock style, and while this is a passable example there are numerous others that I would take over this, including locally brewed options.

Photo of dfried
4.53/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Very dark brown, not quite see through, with a reddish tint to it. Large bubbly, perfect head. Quite tart, yeasty and malty smell, very deep with a lot going on. The first note I wrote down was "So fruity it's outrageous," and it was. There is a noticable fresh, toasted grain malt flavor, but the taste is dominated by fresh fruit, mainly rasberries and other brambles at first, but the finish reveals even more flavors, apple, plum, dark grapes, and I don't even know what else. This was sweet and fruity almost even to the extent of a fruit lambic, but there was much more of a toasted malt character to set it apart from a lambic. It has a dry, slightly chewy mouthfeel. This beer is about as drinkable as a doppelbock can be. It's a little heavy, but it tastes so good you don't stop wanting more.

Photo of Bromine
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of LMH88
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of yen157
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Tasty thing this beer was. Poured pretty brown with only a slight reddish tint. Cream colored head was sticky while it lasted. This beer wasn't actually mine but my girlfriend's. When she smelled it and exclaimed "Raspberries!" I had my doubts. I was wrong. With the foam on top, the beer had the distinct aroma of fresh raspberries. It also had the more usual dopplebock aromas of rich malt and toasted grains.

The beer was surprisingly light in the mouth. While it was hugely malty in flavor, the beer itself was not syrupy like the taste would lead you to believe. Very slick beer. The carbonation was light enough to not be annoying. The major tastes were of dark malt, caramel, and maybe some cherries. The hop flavor and slight bitterness seemed simple, light, and straightforward.

Good beer. I would certainly have it again.

Photo of ibbjamin
3.03/5  rDev -22.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

A friend picked up a 6pack of 12oz bottles for my birthday. I pour into my Spaten Optimator mug to review on the first one of the pack.

An aggressive pour yields a nice quarter inch and rising frothy off white head. Almost no head retention. Decent lacing. Color is dark brown on the verge of black.

Aromas of malts and dark molasses. Sweet and candy-like with hints of over ripe banana.

Taste is similar to nose yet seems to be lighter in character.

Mouth is somewhat watery and beer is medium bodied. Good carbonation.

Photo of ThaJokerWild
3.5/5  rDev -10%

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3.75/5  rDev -3.6%

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3.75/5  rDev -3.6%

Photo of baiser
4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a brownish red body, with a creamy tan head. Lots of caramel, butter, malt and molasses in the nose. Strong, caramel, roasty, malty flavour. Excellent mouthfeel - thick, creamy and very smooth. Not a celebrator, but a very good doppelbock on its own. Recommended.

Photo of CaptJackHarkness
3.92/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Served on tap into clear german style beer stein.

A deep brown almost black with red highlights to the body,relatively small white head that did not last long.Tasted very much of dark fruitcake!(Nice)a hint of clove perhaps? The alchohol is well hidden.

Photo of markdrinksbeer
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of SeattleBoB76
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of erushing
4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of IceAce
3.61/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep, deep amber with a dark tan collar of tightly knit sturdy foam with a half-life of three minutes. Clarity is very nice and lacing minimal.

Nose is robust earthy, roasted malts with a cloying sweetness.

Entry is solid and forceful, showing a palate-pleasing mouthfeel. Midtaste is malty sweet showing a depth of at least five malt varieties. The finish show a soft roastiness with little hop presence.

Photo of Redwood21
4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I think i am becoming a big doppelbock fan.
A: This beer has a great dark brown color with red undertones, i wish the light tan head would last longer, but the beer color is great
S: there is a sweet malt caramel smell, very nice a little ester in the nose, not much or overpowering though.
T: Great taste creamy medium bodied with caramel and malty tastes. the estery aroma does not carry over to the taste, very smooth. maybe even a hint of coffee, but not strong at all.
M: creamy medium bodied goodness.
This is a great beer, another quality doppelbock. i must admit this is becoming a new favorite of mine, and this beer is a great example of the style. YUM!

Photo of KGarrett
2/5  rDev -48.6%

Photo of rtratzlaff
4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a pint glass, this beer revealed a darker brown beer with a 1/2" head that left some lacing down the glass.

Smells were malty and sweet with German hop spice.

Taste is similar to smell with more of cocoa flavor and alcohol presence.

Mouthfeel was medium and I did not mind.

Drinkability was fine. It is higher alcohol though. Oddly enough it went with my turkey on wheat.

Photo of TommyW
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Dark, copper body with a fading off-white head.

S- Toasted and bready malts with a quick whiff of alcohol.

T- Big malt backbone (bready, caramel and toasted), just a touch of alcohol, and hops to provide a little balance, slight mineral note sneaks in for a bit too.

M- Big, full feel due to the ton of malts used.

D- A filling beer to say the least; like eating a meal.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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