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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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2,681 Ratings
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Ratings: 2,681
Reviews: 1,273
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.6%
Wants: 65
Gots: 213 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999)
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Photo of cj8311
3/5  rDev -22.9%

Photo of mquinn919
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of xgrigorix
3.48/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Twelve ounce green bottle - no dates.

Deep chestnut brown, dense off white head.

Caramel malt aromas, along with some faint vauge hop notes.

Plenty of malty caramel goodness. A touch of dark fruit, and subtle hints of chocolate. Herbal / grassy hops lead to a dry finish. Medium bodied, modereate carbonation.

Photo of depechemode1983
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark brown in color with deep red hues when held to the light. The head is a thick light brown foam with a frothiness to it. Retention is excellent and lacing is decent. The nose is very sweet. Lots of light toasted malts, maple syrup, caramel, and brown sugar in the aroma. Still there is an upfront brown sugar sweetness only this time with a more pronounced toasted grain character. Hops balance through the middle and take it to a bitter/sweet finish. Full bodied and soft on the palate. Carbonation is done right and feels refined. Extremely tasty, affordable, and available. This one is worthy.

Photo of BamaBeerBuff
3.8/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: A brilliant body the color of dark cherry stained wood with a massive caramel-colored head that leaves a wonderful little Mount Fuji of foam sticking up in the middle of the glass on its way down. Nice rings of sudsy lace all the way down. My roommate commented on the thick, meringue-like head as I was leaving the kitchen after the initial pour.

S: Dark fruit, some grainy malt aromas, and a hint of alcohol. Not quite bready, definitely more of an astringent, harsh grain aroma. Quality nose on this one.

T&M: Malty flavor is balanced with some bitterness on the back end, before giving way to a finish reminiscent of burnt brown sugar and some booziness. Perhaps a bit too dry for my liking, as well. I feel like there's more opportunity for complexity and boldness here, but it's missing out. As far as mouthfeel, I've got no major complaints--it's a medium bodied beer with a moderate level of fine-bubbled carbonation.

D: It can be a tad on the boozy side, but it's still fairly drinkable. A decent substitute for Celebrator, I suppose, but I'd much prefer the alternative from Brauerei Aying.

Photo of hawkmage
3.5/5  rDev -10%

Photo of jakewatt135
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of ThaBobfather
4.03/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a beautiful ruby cored dark brown with about an inch of thin/medium tan head.
Smell is a nice blend of almost chocolate malts and bready grain.
Taste is malted barely all the way, great sweet taste with some grains on the end.
Finish is a bit wet, but is clean with a nice after-taste that is slightly sweet.
A medium body and sweetness makes this very smooth.

Photo of stella77artois
4.43/5  rDev +13.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz bottle poured into Weizen glass.

As a long time fan of Spaten Original and being a fan in general of Bock's and Doppelbocks, I naturally wanted to try this. Unfortunately, no local stores carry it. Was lucky enough to find some across the lake in VT.

A - Average looking doppelbock. A very dark red-brown, slightly lighter in the light. A very thin off-white head which dissipated quickly, but left some residual. No carbonation noticed.

S - Not a whole lot here. Lot's of malt, some caramel and a general creaminess. A nice smell, just a little on the light side.

T - Damn, this tastes good. A very good representation of a bock. Malt and caramel noticed in the taste as well. Also some toffee, and even some cinnamon. A very creamy and malty taste, without the huge amount of sweetness that many bocks carry. A very, very good taste beer.

F - This is where the beer seperates itself. This is one of the more drinkable bocks. Don't get me wrong, I do greatly enjoy the thickness and feel and a normal doppelbock, but sometimes it can get a little heavy. Not the case here. Still a thick and powerful feeling beer, but a lot of carbonation was felt on the tongue, and the beer wasn't as heavy feeling. First doppelbock I've tried that I consider crisp.

O - A damn good doppelbock. Plenty of taste, not so heavy that you can't drink a few. Highly recommend this beer to any bock fans, or anyone who enjoys dark lagers in general.

Photo of markdrinksbeer
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of Vengeance526
3.48/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Pours a dark reddish copper color with a 2 finger tan head that lasts for a good while before slowly subsiding leaving some nice lacing.

Smell is slightly bready, slightly nutty but definitely a roasted malt character.

Taste has a nutty profile along with raisin and some bready notes. It hit me at first that this is not my favorite tasting doppelbock but it gets better as you drink it.

Thick and full bodied with medium carbonation. Not the most drinkable doppelbock for me. This one isn't bad by any means but compared to many others, Optimator just doesn't hold up.

Photo of mnrider
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. Green Bottle. Pry-Off. Some numbers on bottom of the bottle.

A: Pours a nice dark brown with a creamy off-white head. Nice retention with adequate lacing.

S: A mixture of malts and hops. The high alcohol of the beer comes through in the aroma.

T/M: Nice malty caramel. On the toasted side. Herbal hops try to balance as an alcohol taste comes in. Goes down smooth and finishes on the dry side.

O: A solid Doppelbock. Good taste, high ABV and easy to drink.


Photo of nasty15108
4.22/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a tulip glass.

A - Poured dark brown, almost black with slight ruby edges. Thick head of slightly off-white foam subsides into a spotty film with thick soapy lacing throughout.

S - Malt, chocolate and ripe fruit.

T - More of the same. Malty and slightly sweet with the flavor of chocolate covered raisins.

MF&D - Chewy with a creamy feel to it. Goes down nice, I'd love one of these with a good cigar!

Photo of GuitarIPA
3.25/5  rDev -16.5%

Photo of xbrettfavrex
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of mklinger
3.45/5  rDev -11.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured from a green bottle into a shaker pint glass. A 1/4 inch head formed then dissipated pretty much immediately. The beer is a brown color just slightly lighter than Coca-Cola. In lots of ways this beer looks like a Coke -- Brown, very fizzy, with no head.

Aroma is pretty desirable -- lots of malty, bready character with a little sweetness and some molasses. In lots of ways it smells like a sweet fresh hot loaf of pumpernickel. No real hop aroma, but not is expected for the style.

Taste is much lighter and weaker than the aroma set me up for. Remarkably dunkel like. Doesn't have all the extra malt richness that I expect from a doppelbock. It doesn't taste nearly as malty or sweet as the aroma lead me to think. Quite dry with a decent bit of roast in the finish. Mouthfeel is much lighter and fizzy than I would have liked.

I gotta say I'm kind of disappointed with this one. Not as strong as I thought it would be.

Photo of ezperkins2
3.25/5  rDev -16.5%

Photo of erushing
4.11/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of chickenflea
3.95/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Dark brown color, with a frothy tan-colored head, sweet toasted and caramelized malt nose, with a toffeeish accent, brown sugar, hint of dark dried fruits fruitiness in the aroma follows through on a medium-bodied palate with a very sweet toasted malt character with some brown sugar, hint of nuttiness, dried raisins and plums fruitiness, leading towards a rich malty finish.

Photo of dwtyler
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of hyuga
3.78/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Very dark mahogany with a light tan head. The head stays well enough for a while if you give it a good strong pour, but still eventually fades away. Very interesting aroma of sour grape character and caramel with grain and just a hint of hops. On the palate, lots of malty flavors including caramel, molasses, and a touch of grain. Some spiciness rounds everything out. Not as "big" as the perfect doppelbock. Seems kind of like an overgrown märzen. It's still interesting and worth a try.

Photo of AudioGilz
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

It's brilliant dark amberish brown in color with a fairly large head. The aroma is very malty and slightly alcoholic. It's toasty and medium bodied....doesn't really come across as "chewy" as other doppels. It's very malty nonetheless with a lingering sweetness. Alcohol shows up after it warms a bit and adds a nice touch.....great doppelbock.

Photo of drxandy
3.68/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from 12oz to standard pint, pours a reddish brown, clarity is high (filtered), head fades

smells of heavy malts, slight appley alcohol, bready

taste is bitter, heavy, malts hit in, roasty, hop load overtakes everything, alcohol present, way drinkable, pleasant flavor - lighter than most of the dopplebock's i've had in the past

mouthfeel is heavy, bitter, a flavorful offering, slightly creamy, delicious! i would buy again since the price point is low :D

Photo of Loveyourbeer
3.5/5  rDev -10%

Photo of TheBierBand
4.68/5  rDev +20.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

OK... I've previously reviewd this as served on tap. But I recently purchased a case to have on hand at home.

The 12 oz green bottle poured into a pint glass seemed so small when compared to the normal serving I enjoy at Mecklenburg Gardens in Cincinnati (1 Big ol' Litre!). But it poured nicely producing a 1" head of frothy beige foam. The color was dark brown... very dark.

I sniffed the edge of the glass to catch the aroma of chocolate sweetness with some fruity character... perhaps spiced prunish. It seemed more hoppy than as served on tap and also a bit more carbonated, but not overly so. Actually very well balanced.

The mouthfeel was smooth. Very nice without a hoppy bite. The aftertaste leaves a sweetness in your mouth for a long time!

Drinkability is excellent with this strong Dopplebock. This is and probably will remain as my preferred Bock. I might be in the minority, but I prefer this one over Celebrator... although, I've never had Celebrator on tap.

Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 2,681 ratings.