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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Ratings: 2,744
Reviews: 1,291
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 70
Gots: 257 | FT: 0
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Germany

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of largadeer
3/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Draft at Gourmet Haus Staudt.

Mahogany hued, capped by a thin beige head. The nose is heavy on raisins and prunes, with nutty, bready malt beneath. There's a slight vinous aroma that lends some complexity. The palate is very similar; a lot of raisin and prune flavor above a backbone of toasted malt. Moderately sweet, fairly vinous toward the finish with some metallic astringency. This isn't bad, but it's far from my favorite doppelbock. Too reminiscent of prune juice.

Photo of oberon
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

One of the first bocks I ever had,poured a nice rich brown color with foamy head.Smell was very sweet and alcoholic,taste was buttery and caramelly and creamy.Since trying more doppelbock's I noticed this was a little thin in the mouthfeel dept. but still a really well made doppelbock.

Photo of ChainGangGuy
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a clear, dark reddish-brown body with a small, off-white head.

Smell: Somewhat sweet-smelling aroma of carob, dark fruits, and apples.

Taste: Mild dark caramel flavor mixed with some carob sweetness. Accompanying notes of dark fruits and chewing tobacco. Very minor hint of apple. Only a faint amount of hop spiciness, but no real bitterness. Touch of alcohol on the finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation.

Drinkability: It's a pleasant middle-of-the-road doppelbock.

Photo of biboergosum
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

355ml bottle, from a grocery store in Waikiki. Waves currently crashing outside on Kona-area beach, screwing with my beer appreciation environment-ometer...

This beer pours a clear, dark reddish amber hue, with two fingers of dense, cake-like foamy tan head, which leaves a few broad streaks of lace around the glass as it quickly recedes.

It smells of raisin-heavy dark fruity malts, some secondary, but still prolific caramel/toffee, and a mild nutty chocolate twinge. The taste continues with the big dark fruity malt, a bit of toasted bready yeastiness, and very subtle earthy, leafy hops. A slight warming pervades once things near room temperature.

The bubbles are quite sedate, lending well to a medium-full body, that is quite smooth, with silky tendencies. It finishes fairly sweet, the prune and raisin malt seeing just faint challenge from the tingly hops and booze warming.

A pretty decent doppelbock, nice and sweet, and balanced, mostly, with a deftly integrated elevated ABV. I would recommend this, especially if the weather wasn't so, well, tropical.

Photo of zeff80
3.92/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Poured out a golden/orange color with flecks of brown. A small, off-white, foamy head left minimal traces of soapy lace.

S - Very sweet smelling: caramel, toffee, some vanilla and slight floral notes.

T - Nice sweet flavor with notes of caramel, toffee and some chocolate and vanilla.

M - It was crisp and smooth. A little soft on the tongue, too. A medium-bodied beer.

D - This is a very nice dopplebock. Smooth and tasty.

Photo of TMoney2591
3.83/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Served in a flared flute glass at Bauer's Brauhaus.

Still sittin' at the Brauhaus, watching the Cubs tank another game. Sad, really. Anyway, this brew pours a clear dark sunset burnt sienna-amber topped by a finger of dirty white foam. The nose comprises buttery caramel, very light roasted malts, brown sugar, and Belgian candi sugar. The taste holds notes of buttery caramel, light roasted malts, brown sugar, cinnamon, faint-ish dark greens, and some mild cocoa powder. The body is a rather light medium, with a very light moderate carbonation and a smooth feel. Overall, a solid d-bock, a bit on the thin side, but mighty tasty and enjoyable.

Photo of JAHMUR
3.5/5  rDev -10%

Photo of NeroFiddled
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Clear, deep-crimson/mahogany in color with an off-white head that drops shortly after pouring but maintains a good-sized creamy collar and more than adequate surface foam. Very nice. The aroma expresses rich, toasted Munich malts; a hint of fruit; a slight whisp of alcohol; and a light touch of background hops. The body is medium/full with a very fine and slightly moderate carbonation that leaves it smooth and creamy across the palate. The flavor delivers a rich toasted malt that's laced with fruit and some minimal hop flavor; as well as some clear alcohol. It's very well balanced and the sweet malt is always kept in check by a firm, underlying bitterness. It finishes dry with just a swirl of fruit and alcohol; and the malt never clings to the palate. Very well done! One of the classics of the style.

Photo of nickfl
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of TheManiacalOne
3.98/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a US tumbler pint glass.

A: The beer is a dark reddish brown color with a short off-white head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma is loaded with dark fruit, with a little caramelized malt and a touch of hops.

T: The flavor is fruity & sweet with flavors of brown sugar, caramel, berries, plums & raisins. A little bit of hops comes in to provide some balance and transitions the taste into a heavy bitterness, but the bitterness is more from the dark fruits than the hops. The malt character is hearty and the after-taste is bitter-sweet.

M: Crisp and smooth, medium body, medium carbonation, slightly sticky finish.

D: Tasty, goes down very easily, not too filling, good kick, good representation of a style that is starting to grow on me, it isn’t quite the best in the style, but it's right up there and it’s pretty good. It's one of those beers where the taste gets better as you continue to drink it. This is a beer that I could stick with for a whole evening.

Photo of oline73
3.45/5  rDev -11.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

I had this on-tap at Max's. Served in a Spaten mug.

Appearance: Pours a reddish brown with a half finger of off white head that disappears completely.

Smell: Very sweet. Malt along with some caramel and some grape as well.

Taste: A lot like the smell. Very malty with strong hints of caramel and grape. There is some alcohol and a mild bitterness in the finish.

Mouthfeel: Body is on the thick side of medium with tingly carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This is a nice beer to drink in the fall. Quite malty. I would have liked a little bit less grape flavor.

Photo of RblWthACoz
4/5  rDev +2.8%

Photo of XmnwildX12
3.5/5  rDev -10%

Photo of WVbeergeek
3.98/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The when I was first getting into beers over the summer I picked up a couple different products from Spaten, one of them being the Optimator. Had no clue what I was getting myself into at the time, and I didn't even know what a dopplebock was. I think I thought it was really thick and off flavored at the time, so I saw it on tap at the Sharp Edge Creekhouse had to give it another shot. This beer is definitely toned down in comparison to most dopplebocks that are made today, but this isn't a bad thing because it is still a solid representation of the style. A deep ruby red tone with a thin cream colored head settles quickly. The aroma consists of a light bouquet of malty goodness, and with the first sip I couldn't get over how drinkable this beer is. With a nice trace of figs and plum to the taste, this beer had a very sweet finish very balanced and enjoyable. Like a said a little on the lighter side for a dbock, but the lighter body gives this beer an increased drinkability.

Photo of Slatetank
3.74/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

I purchased this from Wegmans, enjoyed chilled in a pokal.

The color is deep brown with translucent clarity and thin tan cap with fine bead. The smell is slightly caramel with some nutty malt aromas with mild floral hop ester. The feel is good with moderate sweetness and medium carbonation with slight dry body with mild spice and light alcohol in the finish.

The taste has some malty presence with some moderately toasted munich and caramel malt sweetness with some nutty flavor with creaminess from the yeast. The flavor is more sweet than anything with gentle spice in the background. Overall this is a pretty drinkable bock, not too strong but still might not have multiples since it is on the sweet side. Not a very complex beer but fits the style well enough

Photo of russpowell
4.53/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

.5L bottle

pours dark caramel with a 1" tan head. Zero head retention & lacing

Smell: Big breadiness and spice (peppery)

Taste: Malt, vanilla, and peppery (like a dick cheney 28 gauge shotgun blast). Dryness, slight nutiness, some hop bitterness and alcohol on the finish

MF: Slick& chewy , good carbonation

Pretty drinkable, but I consider this the low end of the dopplebock spectrum abv-wise. yummy just the same! Just didn't quite come together from the crtical beer drinkers's view point. Enjoy!

Photo of mactrail
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The aroma is quite distinctive-- something like stewed prunes and gummi worms, but I mean that as a compliment. Attractive brown-amber in the tulip glass. Very pleasant lacing and creamy mouthfeel. Quite sweet, like a malty pudding. Rich, warm flavors with lots of caramel. I hope it's from malted barley, but it's good. Hint of hops. Aftertaste of candy.

I wasn't expecting to like this as much. It grows on you if you like the sweet malty style. But I would say there are more interesting examples of Doppelbocks, including American-made versions, but for a widely-distributed major beer that actually makes the boat trip, it's a winner.

Photo of MarkyMOD
5/5  rDev +28.5%

Photo of DrunkinYogi
3.75/5  rDev -3.6%

Photo of Rifugium
3.7/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

First had: on tap at Brauhaus Schmitz, Philly, PA

A tasty, toasty German bock. Poured a hazel-brown with reddish highlights, moderate carbonation, and a thin off-white head. Mild and smooth aroma of sweet, toasty malts and caramel. More sweet toasted malts in the taste, toffee, raisin, and apple peel. Maybe just a hint of alcohol. Medium mouthfeel, and pretty easily drinkable.

Photo of oriolesfan4
2.91/5  rDev -25.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bought a single of this for about $1.50.

I've had a few doppelbocks in the past and didn't like them at all so I tried this main stream one... and my verdict is... I don't like doppelbocks. While this is the best of the ones I've had, I still don't enjoy them. A total lack of aroma except for a harsh alcohol smell and the taste is lackluster as well. Malty with more biting alcohol... just not what I want in a beer. At least this doppelbock I can finish unlike the others I tried.

Photo of feloniousmonk
4.08/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: dark, chestnut brown, light- reddish at bottom, with a thick, full 1" toffee-toned, slowly settling.
Aroma: mild and dry, nutty, but assuredly unfolding with malt.
Taste: here's where it's happening: enormous malt, good, chewy mouthfeel, warm, delicious, generous with flavor. Swims in the mouth with vigor. Nutty, malty, warm, yet still clean and well-behaved. A nice, if tame, doppelbock.

Photo of drabmuh
4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bottle without a freshness label or a brewing date into a standard pint glass. Beer is dark brown and completely clear. Carbonation moderate and the head is made up of small off white bubbles that form a uniform layer on the top of the beer. Lacing in moderate.

Nice sweet aroma. Some caramel, no hops or roast to speak of. Smells like a good doppelbock.

Full bodied, some tinge of bitter in there, but mostly sweet and a slight darker malt almost schwartz character. Drinkability high and mouthfeel is great. This is a wonderful beer and a great experience. I reviewed this on draft and in the bottle now, both great ways to drink.

Photo of kojevergas
3.17/5  rDev -18.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12 fl oz green glass (really!?) bottle with standard pressure cap served into a Uinta brewing pilsner glass in me gaff in low altitude Los Feliz, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are fairly high; I usually dislike the style but I love this brewery.

Served straight from the refrigerator. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a one finger khaki colour head of nice cream and thickness, and decent retention. Colour is a nontransparent non-opaque dark brown. No yeast particles are visible. No bubble show.

Sm: Pleasantly nutty, with very bocky dark and biscuit malts. Some cream comes through. No real obvious hop aroma. An average strength aroma.

T: Pleasantly malty, with subtle nut notes. It's rich and layered, but lacks true subtlety or complexity. Some nice caramelization on the finish. No yeast or alcohol comes through. Hop character is very mild; background floral hopping adds depth but doesn't really contribute to the flavour profile. It's got a nice full body; it's quite filling. I could subsist on this if I were a badass German beer monk. That said, there's just nothing impressive or unique about it.

Mf: Smooth, full, wet, a bit creamy on the finish, and moderate on the palate. It has presence, but there's little to intrigue. Suits the flavours well, but it still comes off as boring. Dry on the finish; it shouldn't be.

Dr: Drinkable and enjoyable for the style. Definitely one of the better ones I've had. It's quite filling - and I'm sure I could use this for sustenance on a fast - but it's not fantastic. This brewery has better beers. Well priced. Hides its ABV well. Very well done for the style, but still underwhelming all around. I wouldn't get it again, but fans of the style should definitely give it a spin.

C+

Photo of jwc215
4.17/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This beer poured a reddish-brown hue. It's foamy, bubbly white head left a nice lacing. There was medium carbonation that quicky settled to a slower carbonation.
I was impressed with the smell. It had a nice aroma of gentle caramel and hints of toffee, chocolate and coffee. An alcoholic odor was slightly evident, but not overwhelming.
It had a pleasant, warming taste - a good example for this type. It was a bit on the thin side, but the slight wateriness did not take away that much from its overall taste.
It left a nice feeling to the mouth, as it was not too thick - though nothing overly exceptional.
The finishing touch was a warming alcohol taste at the end and a reminder of the flavors in the aftertaste.
While I've had better of this style (Celebrator comes to mind), I prefer it over other standard doppelbocks (such as Paulaner Salvator) because of its well-balanced taste and its covering of the alcohol taste.

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