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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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BA SCORE
87
very good

2,276 Ratings
THE BROS
86
very good

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Ratings: 2276
Reviews: 1247
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%


Brewed by:
Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu visit their website
Germany

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
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AudioGilz

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

It's brilliant dark amberish brown in color with a fairly large head. The aroma is very malty and slightly alcoholic. It's toasty and medium bodied....doesn't really come across as "chewy" as other doppels. It's very malty nonetheless with a lingering sweetness. Alcohol shows up after it warms a bit and adds a nice touch.....great doppelbock.

Serving type: bottle

05-29-2003 11:20:29 | More by AudioGilz
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hotstuff

Indiana

3.9/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This brew poured a large tan head. There was virtually no lacing observed on the sides of my glass. It had an amber body to it. There was no carbonation observed with this brew. It had a fairly smooth taste to it. All in all this was a very good drink.

Serving type: bottle

05-23-2003 06:37:10 | More by hotstuff
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BeerBuilder

Minnesota

3.98/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This one pours to a ruby-brown color with a light brown head. The aroma is malty, bready, and roasty. The flavor is malty, bready, chocolatey, with a bit of roastiness. This is a full-bodied, alcoholic brew. Very malty and tasty. I really enjoy the malty doppel bocks.

Serving type: bottle

05-13-2003 05:02:58 | More by BeerBuilder
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kbub6f

New York

4.43/5  rDev +13.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The smaller, 12oz green bottle bought locally (Grapevine refrigerated shelves), a few days in my fridge, reviewed 45F-65F.

A dense tan head coughs up big bubbles. It collapses slowly. Lacing is thin but sticky. Ruby highlights show up in the dark dark beer if you hold it to the light.

What a nice, toffee malty smell. Mere traces of fonk. The front is malty, but also quite fruity. Creamy caramel takes over in the middle leading to a toffee finish with a touch of spice. Aftertaste is sweet toffee caramel and a surprisingly pleasant alcohol flavor.

Man, what a great beer! Deep. Complex. Sweet but not too sweet. Yum!

Serving type: bottle

05-11-2003 13:33:34 | More by kbub6f
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Winter

Wisconsin

3/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

1 pint, 9 .oz bottle. Gold foil around the neck with the words "Imported" printed several times diagonally across it. The red Spaten logo also appears centered on the front. Poured a clear, very dark copper in color with a khaki-colored head. Decent aroma consisted of roasted malt, toffee, caramel and a hint of sweet spice. Medium-bodied mouthfeel. The taste is decent, yet very uninspiring. Not bad, just bland. Somewhat vinous finish. 7.2% alcohol is evident in the taste. As far as doppelbocks go, Optimator was a big let down for me primarily from a taste standpoint. I expected much more here.

Serving type: bottle

04-21-2003 17:12:37 | More by Winter
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marburg

Michigan

3.93/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Eh. Kind of a middle-of-the-road dopplebock. It's brown, as it should be, but it's a bit pale. It's a little thin as lagers tend to be, but there are plenty of fuller-bodied dopplebocks, so there's something to shoot for there. Tastes like a mish-mash of muted flavors with no real pronounced taste beyond a sort of bready vegetable flavor. It's hardly bad; it's just not unexpected, exceptional, or fun in any way.

Serving type: bottle

04-11-2003 17:27:35 | More by marburg
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bierman2000

Pennsylvania

4.28/5  rDev +10%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sweet and dark copper/brown. Very malty with a pronounced thickness compared to other Dopplebocks. It is highly drinkable but also the alcohol comes through after it warms. A good style of Doppelbock that is not given its due. One to try and compare to others.

Serving type: bottle

04-09-2003 12:37:21 | More by bierman2000
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AtLagerHeads

Ohio

4.25/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a very good dark beer and one I'm glad I tried. The pour created a beautiful dark, dark amber to mahogany look with ruby highlights. The head was voluminous and a deep tan color. The head did fade a bit quickly, but it left behind a good lacing that lasted through half the glass. A big malt nose with some hops sense. The taste is sweet, but finishes with a very real hop bitterness. Alcohol comes in quickly, but there is good balance with the other flavors. I'll try this again and recommend to friends.

Serving type: bottle

04-04-2003 20:22:18 | More by AtLagerHeads
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Scooter77

Ohio

4.38/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a deep brown almost black color with a slight ruby tint. A thick tan head arose and slowly died down leaving a thin lace. The aromas were quite complex with dark malts, caramel, chocolate, and a touch of fruity sweetness. The taste is somewhat complex also; there were hints of nuttiness mixed with sweet fruit and caramel. Alcohol taste was quite apparent, but it wasn’t overpowering so it mixed well with the other flavors. A mild alcohol and malt aftertaste was left in my mouth. This is a very complex and balanced brew; a must try.

Serving type: bottle

03-29-2003 04:53:14 | More by Scooter77
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oberon

North Carolina

3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

One of the first bocks I ever had,poured a nice rich brown color with foamy head.Smell was very sweet and alcoholic,taste was buttery and caramelly and creamy.Since trying more doppelbock's I noticed this was a little thin in the mouthfeel dept. but still a really well made doppelbock.

Serving type: bottle

03-28-2003 06:08:39 | More by oberon
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pezoids

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This beer poured out a dark amber brown color. The head was large at first, then fizzled out quick. The nose was of sweet malt with a touch of hops. Caramel in the taste. A full flavored and almost overwhelming beer. Very well made. I enjoyed this one.

Serving type: bottle

03-27-2003 20:34:14 | More by pezoids
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texascarl

Kansas

3.8/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appearance = dark amber/copper, thick tan head, nice lacing

Nose = toast, malt

Taste =toasted malts, sweet, buttery, thick...caramel & some hops. 'Chewy' mouthfeel. Dryish finish.

Nice doppelbock, sweet and malty. Good availablity, goes on sale here often - when it becomes quite a bargain.

Serving type: bottle

03-26-2003 21:46:20 | More by texascarl
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Reidrover

Oregon

4.13/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bought in the 1 pt.9 oz bottle..With the two shovels on the label.
This beer is like an old friend..its been a while..
The beer looks fantastic poured into my mug..great frothy off white head atop a dark red /brown beer..very impressive.
As would be expected the malt is very evident in the aroma..also slight coffee and chocolate accents ..very inviting.
MM i like the taste of this beer..its slightly sweeter than many doppelbocks..but I believe it to be well balanced by the astringent after taste..and the dark chocolate flavour.Not the greatest but one of the best in my opinion.
Feels pretty comfortable on the tongue not too carbonated at all..smooth.
Overall a very very drinkable doppelbock..I have had better tasting Doppels but none as drinkable as this .
NOTES..This was my very first doppelbock..way back in 2001..LOL seems like a life time ago..my first real taste of German beer other than bloody Becks. It has fond memories for me..I first tasted it on a camping trip to the Oregon High Desert..me and the wife went to get over a terrible tragedy in our lives..I drank this out of the bottle ( 8 of them) It helped me forget for a while..like I said It's and old friend..

Serving type: bottle

03-24-2003 18:58:00 | More by Reidrover
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Delirium

Massachusetts

2.58/5  rDev -33.7%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

Clear dark brick red pour gives way to quickly settling head with floating clusters of bubbles around the edge if the glass. Smells like a fruit salad left in the sun all day. Acidic and sweet like bile and corn. Maybe this beer tastes better on tap in Munich, tastes to me like concentrated ghetto 40oz.

Serving type: bottle

03-15-2003 11:12:29 | More by Delirium
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rabidawg

Georgia

4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Deep ruby bier with a shimmer of carbonation. Two finger, tan, small-bubbled head that settles to a skim of foam that hangs around.

Smell: Malty caramel with roasty confectionary notes. Alcohol noticeable but not overwhelming.

Taste: More caramelized sugar and roasty malts, with just a hint of hops to balance things out. Sugary aftertaste, with just enough hop bitterness to lead me to lift my glass again.

Very creamy, but thin mouthfeel for a doppelbock. Very drinkable beer, almost dangerously drinkable at this ABV. At $6.99/6-pack, it's a great deal on a pretty decent bier.

Now my reviews count! Yeah!!!

Serving type: bottle

03-03-2003 19:50:52 | More by rabidawg
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WVbeergeek

Ohio

4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The when I was first getting into beers over the summer I picked up a couple different products from Spaten, one of them being the Optimator. Had no clue what I was getting myself into at the time, and I didn't even know what a dopplebock was. I think I thought it was really thick and off flavored at the time, so I saw it on tap at the Sharp Edge Creekhouse had to give it another shot. This beer is definitely toned down in comparison to most dopplebocks that are made today, but this isn't a bad thing because it is still a solid representation of the style. A deep ruby red tone with a thin cream colored head settles quickly. The aroma consists of a light bouquet of malty goodness, and with the first sip I couldn't get over how drinkable this beer is. With a nice trace of figs and plum to the taste, this beer had a very sweet finish very balanced and enjoyable. Like a said a little on the lighter side for a dbock, but the lighter body gives this beer an increased drinkability.

Serving type: on-tap

02-20-2003 09:30:26 | More by WVbeergeek
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IrishRedRock

Pennsylvania

4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

The name of this beer reminds me of Ahhhhnold...the Terrrrminator. Then I drank some, and everything about this beer is Ahhhnold.

The aroma is malty, but I also got some rather off scents...my initial thinking was "mom's beef stew and cooked greens." As it warmed I got some of those nice dark malts, and the world was right again. It's a nice deep brown, and the tan head retains quite nicely.

There is plenty of flavor...I wouldn't say it's complex, but it is flavorful. Dark malts, hints of chocolate...did I mention the malts? A slight bitter fruitiness appears as well. Oh, and there's some kick-ass malts. Wonderfully enjoyable creamy mouthfeel. This seemed very light for a Doppelbock, and I had no idea the ABV was over 7%. It's very easy to drink and would make a great session beer. Spaten...the Terrrrminator. I'll be baaack.

Serving type: bottle

02-19-2003 10:04:10 | More by IrishRedRock
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Bruiser81

Kansas

3.73/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This beer poured a deep brown with a little amber hue when held to the light. A very small white head that didn't last long, but I did give it a real slow pour. There was a ring left around the edge of the brew that lasted for a while. The aroma was powerful, with an extremely malty note. The smell also had a sweetness to it.
The first sip is full of malty sweetness along with light tannens and small bits of raisins. The sweetness fades in the middle with a slight hoppy finish, although not enough to balance the malts.
The mouthfeel is medium and the beer goes down smooth. Initially I didn't like this brew but its growing on me.

Serving type: bottle

02-17-2003 15:11:58 | More by Bruiser81
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ElGuapo

New Jersey

3.55/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours to a dark brown with a decent white head that will die a little quickly, but it leaves a lace that remains on the sides of the glass. Aromas of dark malts, caramel, and a little bit of alcohol come out at you.

If you look at this beer in the 6-pack, you may be mislead but the words dark beer. You may just think it is simply a dunkel. If you know a little about it, you will realize it is a doppelbock, just not really labelled as such. It has a great rich body with a fairly good malty flavor. It is very smooth with a low carbonation, and a well-hidden alcohol content. I was very happy with this beer. It is certainly not amazing, but I was happy after waiting so long to try this one. It is a fair representative of doppelbocks. It is similar to a Paulaner, but it is a little more mild on the flavoring, and it seems to be a little thinner.

Serving type: bottle

02-14-2003 20:36:55 | More by ElGuapo
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shirfan

New York

3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Dark, transparent brown, a hint of ruby. Fine-bubbled, 3 finger head, retained fairly well. Decent lacing.

Smell is clean and sweet, malty tones. Not especially pungent.

Taste is huge on malt; starts with a very sweet, almost brown sugar kick, slightly alcoholic middle, and a bittersweet finish, just enough bitterness to balance the extreme malt going on here.

Notes of molasses and raisins, not overly complex or heavy however. Very friendly and drinkable for a 7.2 ABV brew.

Optimator says to fridge: "I'll be bock."

Serving type: bottle

02-09-2003 13:27:54 | More by shirfan
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Mitchster

Michigan

4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Hrmm..yummy. Poured agressively, this clear deep amber-ruby brew formed a peaking head, but thinned quickly, leaving wisps of brussels lace. Moderate carbonation, medium to small sized bubbles. Nose is malt, malt, and more malt with a peppery hint of alcohol, some faint noble hops, and loads of caramel. Mouthfeel is thick and somewhat cloying, but not as syrupy as Celebrator or Salvator. Taste starts out with some bold flavor hops, fades to a potent amber malt background of figs, dates and raisins, gives a big peppery kick of alcohol and some spicy bittering hops, and ends in a lingering burnt-caramel sweetness with a soft metallic tinge. For the timid, this is a really good introduction to the world of dopplebocks. Not quite as cloying and sweet as Salvator, not quite as complex as Celebrator, and somewhat more drinkable than both.

Serving type: bottle

01-25-2003 19:11:19 | More by Mitchster
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AtrumAnimus

Texas

3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This good draft was very malty. The nose was also very fruity and sweet. the mouthfeel was nice and somewhat watery. The head a bit to be desired. Overall a drinkable beer. Though not a great beer. I still enjoy this one every now and then but it is a middle of the road beer for me.

Serving type: on-tap

01-23-2003 11:19:43 | More by AtrumAnimus
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Morris729

Texas

4.22/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Maly, malty, malty! Pours a dark brownish ruby color with a foamy and bubbly white head that fades into a nice lace. Nose is dominated by sweet toasted malts with notes of caramel. Thick and chewy in the mouth with tastes of sweet malts, rich buttery toffee, caramel, and raisin. Oily hops create a bit of a slick feeling in the mouth and a touch of bitterness leaves a semi-dry finish. For the malt fans, this is a great beer.

Serving type: bottle

01-14-2003 15:04:35 | More by Morris729
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yen157

New Jersey

4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Tasty thing this beer was. Poured pretty brown with only a slight reddish tint. Cream colored head was sticky while it lasted. This beer wasn't actually mine but my girlfriend's. When she smelled it and exclaimed "Raspberries!" I had my doubts. I was wrong. With the foam on top, the beer had the distinct aroma of fresh raspberries. It also had the more usual dopplebock aromas of rich malt and toasted grains.

The beer was surprisingly light in the mouth. While it was hugely malty in flavor, the beer itself was not syrupy like the taste would lead you to believe. Very slick beer. The carbonation was light enough to not be annoying. The major tastes were of dark malt, caramel, and maybe some cherries. The hop flavor and slight bitterness seemed simple, light, and straightforward.

Good beer. I would certainly have it again.

Serving type: bottle

01-02-2003 07:38:31 | More by yen157
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Sixpack595

Michigan

4.88/5  rDev +25.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

I would put this squarely between Salvator and Celebrator in nearly every aspect. Color, mouthfeel, and strength of flavor are all a bit lighter than Celebrator. A dark beer, head is much better on tap than from bottle. I would put this as one of the more approachable doppels, great for introducing someone to the style. This is a doppel you can sit down and drink all night.

Serving type: on-tap

01-01-2003 12:16:38 | More by Sixpack595
Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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