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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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88
very good

2,638 Ratings
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very good

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Ratings: 2,638
Reviews: 1,270
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.6%
Wants: 63
Gots: 192 | FT: 0
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Germany

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
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Photo of johnnieoz
3.68/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Part of my Trader Joe's Doppelbock taste-off

Optimator vs. Joseph Brau's Winterfest, aka Trader Joe's Winterfest Dark Doublebock Lager.

$7.99 for a six-pack.

A: Looks pretty much just like TJ's very own doppelbock. But the off-white head is quicker to recede and the lacing is less pronounced.

S: Smells like a doppelbock: bready, malty, sweet yet still like a beer.

T: Maybe it's my recent West Coast IPA conversion or the fact that Salvator, Troegenator and Celebrator are superior brews, but this is just not the bomb I want it to be. Esp since it's available at an affordable price just down the block. Still, it's hoppier than Winterfest yet retains the caramel, syrupy and bread-like taste.

M: Feels full, a more soild product than Winterfest. Goes down with a dry, hoppy aftertaste. Less carbonated than the TJ product, which come to think of it is NOT cool for this style.

D: Wow, drinking two doppelbocks in one session ain't the best of ideas.

This is very drinkable and fairly affordable. When @ TJs, check it out. Then again you might prefer the sweeter, more carbonated Winterfest.

johnnieoz, Mar 08, 2008
Photo of brdc
4.63/5  rDev +19%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Small capped bottle poured into a tulip.

Nice brownish color with crimson highlights, topped by an average sized tan head with good retention and lacing. Aroma is malty as expected, toffeeish and caramelized, with some unexpected fruity hints.
Clean taste on an almost full body, with layer upon layer of malts, sweetish, toffeish and caramelized, but well balanced by an underlying bitterness.
A very good doppelbock.

brdc, Mar 08, 2008
Photo of MetalBoozingBen
2.08/5  rDev -46.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1 | overall: 2

i purchased a pint bottle of this, since im a fan of spaten beers like their oktoberfest beer,pilser ect.. btu this bock beer was just way too syrupy to me taste wasnt that bad but overwhelming. this is good beer to try a few sips but after a while the strong syrupy taste does get to you

MetalBoozingBen, Mar 04, 2008
Photo of currysage1
3.6/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Absolutely one of the most beautiful beers when poured into a dimpled Stein. Amazing ruby red with a thin layer of beige head that dissipates quickly. Light lacing, nothing to write home about though.

This is my type of beer, malty and drinkable. It does tend to be a little on the sweet side and a little thick and slick on the mouthfeel though. At first whiff there are rum soaked raisins, dark fruit, syrupy sweetness with an alcoholic twinge. Slightly bitter, slightly sweet, theres that rum again, and it's the dark Jamaican kind.

Overall a great beer, but one that you could get better and fresher from a domestic brewer.

currysage1, Mar 02, 2008
Photo of madjr80
3.73/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Although high in alcohol, this beer is very drinkable. A dark brown color with two finger head of foam. A strong beer with semi sweet aftertaste. Not nearly as bitter as I was expecting. There was no freshness date, but it tasted fresh enough for an import. I still don't understand why they use a green bottle.

madjr80, Mar 02, 2008
Photo of barleyman
3.98/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the 12 oz. brown glass bottle into my straight sided tumbler. The medium white head quickly dissapates into almost no lace. The clear brown beer is the correct color for this style. The smell is of overwhelming malt, with raisin and dark fruit aromas. The taste is of malt with the correct hop balance. Mouthfeel is quite heavy, but not overbearing given the style. Drinkability is a little low, considering the gravity, but again, spot on for the style.
In my opinion, this is the penultimate German double bock. And the beer world owes Gabriel Spaten a debt of gratitude for the discovery of how yeast works.

just a thought,

barleyman

barleyman, Feb 29, 2008
Photo of champ103
3.95/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

A: Clear dark red color. No head and no lace.
S: Lots of toasted and caramel malt. A pleasant bready aroma with some dark fruits. A soft and enjoyable nose.
T: Follows the nose. Loads of dark malt and fruit. The flavor is a bit metallic, but not enough to really detract from the overall experience.
M/D: I was a bit disappointed in the mouth. Very thin and watery. This is a good sipping beer though. Smooth and easy to drink, but you don't want to drink it to fast. The alcohol is well hidden and can sneak up on you.

I like this beer. Very malty and pleasant. This is something to look for.

champ103, Feb 21, 2008
Photo of t0rin0
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is one of my favorite doppelbocks right behind Celebrator and the Asam Bock from Weltenburg. Granted I've only tried a dozen or so.

The beer poured a clear dark red color into my pint glass. It had an inch tall tan/brown head that was fairly thick and creamy. Decent retention, no lacing.

The smell was very sweet and included some grape and some plum. There was also the cara-malts and little bread/yeast. Pleasant and soft.

The flavor is more intense but along the same lines. Very little bitterness to balance the crazy sugary fruit flavors. Some dark fruits and some dark malts are present. There is the tiniest bit of alcohol in the flavor.

The body is moderately heavy for a german beer and goes down real smooth. Can be a sipping drink or something to drink a big stein of.

t0rin0, Feb 19, 2008
Photo of ElGrecoVerde
3.8/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 3

If there was a category for name, I'd give it a perfect score. It sounds like something from a Sylvester Stallone movie. I wouldn't dare open this bottle alone.

Poured a thick brown with an off white head.

Smell was mild, which was suprising. I was expecting to get punched in the face by a beer named the "Optimator". Instead, it lightly feathered my nose with light aromas of raisins and sweet caramel. Maybe it was teasing me.

Yes, it was. Once I took a sip I received the punch in the face I was waiting for, and I gotta say, it was refreshing. Caramel, coffee, and some slightly bitter dark chocolate took over.

The flavors seemed a bit mild, but the delivery system was anything but. This stuff was thick! It hurt drinkability, but made for one beernique experience.

ElGrecoVerde, Feb 14, 2008
Photo of watchnerd
3.9/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Ah, the Optimator. Many many many many years ago, when I first turned 21, this was one of my first "non standard" foreign beers. Back when beer diversity was much lower, but Spaten could often be found. It's still a quality brew, although I could have sworn the ABV used to be higher long ago; I seem to recall that it used to be 8.9% ABV. In any case, a nice malty double bock, nicely balanced. Worthy of trying, although the Spaten Dunkel-Weisse is still the best beer they make.

watchnerd, Feb 13, 2008
Photo of MSchae1017
3.78/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer was tasted in a stange from the 12oz green bottle.

A - Dark Amber with off white head that dissipates to whisps without much lacing.

S - Slightly metallic along with sweet pale and caramel malts

T - Sweet with lots of alcohol head. Caramel, and fruity with Green apple. Fairly bitter for style.

M - Thick, viscous, smooth carbonation, full body.

D - Not always my favorite style, but this one is fairly balanced with some bitterness, helping the drinkablility for me.

MSchae1017, Feb 12, 2008
Photo of Biscuit033
4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a clear dark amber with a one finger light tan head with minimal lacing.

S: Toffee, chocolate, caramel, and bread.

T: Explosion of bready malt in the mouth, with bitter chocolate, caramel, and molasses.

M: Full body, chewy, with a lingering bitter, malty finish.

D: This is as drinkable as a doppel can be. Even sweetness and fullness while the alcohol is warming but not perceptable in the taste.

Biscuit033, Feb 09, 2008
Photo of mooseisloose
3.58/5  rDev -8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This brew is a classic doppel. Very malted and very tasty. It pours to a root beer color and consistency. Smell is like maple syrup with a slight bit of roasted malt. Taste is a very creamy and smooth with only hints of bitterness. This beer is a malt-mania of the brewing process. The carbonation seems light but is evident, it suits the creaminess, more would be too much. Spaten has a very good beer here. The sweetness may lower the drinkability but in my opinion for its style this brew is right on target.

mooseisloose, Feb 09, 2008
Photo of yourefragile
3.25/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

12 oz green bottle poured into a pilsner glass

A: A dark, clear brown liquid with a off white head that rather rapidly dissipates and leaves a nice trail of stringy lacing.
S: Nothing remarkable to me. Some malt, but theres a slightly sour, alcohol smell that really detracts from anything pleasant.
T: Malt body and aftertaste dominates this, but like the smell, there is something not quite agreeing with me. There is a slight hop bitterness which is ok to balance the malt, but still a slight sourness. Alcohol also rides in on the aftertaste and that might be throwing off my perception of everything else here since it is unpleasant.
M: Medium body with medium to high carbonation. Aftertaste isn't pleasant, following the lead of the body, but still not all together bad.
D: I've tried this a few times now and this just doesn't seem to agree with me. There's nothing bad here, I just don't enjoy this guy. Generally has a nice flavor, but a little too high in alcohol for me to want to drink this regularly for this style.

yourefragile, Feb 08, 2008
Photo of Strix
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Starting out Lent with one of these.

Beautiful dark ruby-brown color, short lived head with little lacing.

Smells of roasted malts, hops, vague chocolate, and alcohol.

Sweet malt, toffee, hops, and a bit of alcohol present in the finish.

Mouthfeel is very nice, smooth yet slightly viscous.

Quite drinkable. I could finish a few of these with no problem. But it's lent, so I'm holding back.

Strix, Feb 06, 2008
Photo of TheDeuce
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a hazy dark color, very malty profile in the head and aroma. Taste is dark, somewhat sour malts come through, a hint of licorice, finishes dry not that smooth. Alcoholic but well hidden, very balanced and flavors do not muddle, overall a solid beer.

TheDeuce, Feb 03, 2008
Photo of Proteus93
4.35/5  rDev +11.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Dark brown with a copper hue. A bit of a rustic colour, with a little lively bubbled head that leaves a little lace trim after settling.

S: Quite a full scent that seems to linger in the air a bit.

T: Mild toffees and a bit of a chocolate note that chases it a little down through the finish. Some roasted malts, and a bit of a bitter finish, coupled with a touch of alcohol to spice things up.

M: A slippery, buttered-pan kind of oiliness that drifts over the tongue, leaving a little residue that slowly drifts away.

D: I find this to be a fine example of the class, with quite a nice balance between flavours. It goes down so smooth and slick that it's all too easy. Perhaps there could be a bit more going on, but it's quite satisfying the way it is.

Proteus93, Feb 02, 2008
Photo of Gehrig
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I just came back from reading group, driving through a moderate Midwest snowstorm, and grabbed this after bidding my better half good-night. What a choice; then again, the better choice was buying this in the first place. It's killer.

The appearance is gorgeous--a finger of very durable froth on a black raspberry body, with better lacing than I've seen in a while. The smell could be better, but provides caramel, berry, and a hint of chocolate. If I'd let this warm, it might emit more. But that's the problem--it's positively delicious! The texture, the wonderfully balanced carbonation, more pronounced chocolate, berries, caramel--a generous melange of flavors. Magnificent.

That the mouthfeel is so good enhances the taste, while also making this perfectly drinkable. This is one to grab a sixer, enjoy three and cellar the others. A great example of dopplebock, very delicious, flavorful, and easy to consume. The nose might suffer from my impatience, I'm willing to admit. Yet the taste is so good that it will be difficult to sit and savor this for long. Enjoy.

Gehrig, Feb 01, 2008
Photo of cer40
4.28/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I sampled this beer on tap from the biergarten in epcot center. It poured dark with a nice head.

The aroma was of roasted malts and caramel. A small amount of spicy hops are detected. Taste is The same but more. The malt never goes away but the spicy hops make it through just a little.

The mouthfeel is great. Medium bodied and perfectly carbonated. Drinkable enough that I had to have one more while sampling the beers in the world showcase. Was great with my pretzel and mustard too!

cer40, Jan 29, 2008
Photo of rye726
3.78/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nice mahogany color with a tan head that settles to a silky cover. Good lacing.

Lots of malts, caramel and ripe fruits. Some peppery hops and overall very earthy.

Nice malt profile with lots of caramel and sweet nuts. Candy and faint hops as well.

Good full body with decent amount of carbonation.
Good example of the style. Well balanced, but lacks the complexity of some better bocks.

rye726, Jan 29, 2008
Photo of Rciwws
3.58/5  rDev -8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

A - deep brown appearance that shines maroon through the light soft quarter inch frothy head.

S - smell of sweet soy sauce and soft malts

T - creamy malt sensation with smooth hop finish and enjoyable alcohol hum together.

M - rich porter-esque mouthfeel if I had my eyes closed but with more of a CO2 kick

D - I could put back a couple of these but this feels more like an enjoyment beer than a food pairing beer.

Rciwws, Jan 26, 2008
Photo of mimicic
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Probably one of the beer I love which I can get it for really cheap near my house (Wegmans in Rochester).

12oz bottle (6.99 for 6 pack =D)

Appearance: Amber Dark. Has little thin foam on the top.

Smell: Very unique. Sweet aroma with maltiness

Taste: Sweet and malty

Mouthfeel: Really rich and warm. Malt covered and taste stays in your mouth for long time

Drinkability: Good beer to drink, but I wouldn't drink more than 2 bottles. This beer is really really rich.

mimicic, Jan 25, 2008
Photo of hoegaardenhero
3.5/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

the beer is a nice mahogany with a little bit of off-white head sticky head. it smells pretty fragrant with nice darker malts, some coffee flavors, hints of hoppy bitterness. it tastes of sweet dark roasted malts with some very smokey flavors. there are also hints of tobacco and other herbs. light hop bitterness kicks in during the lingering finish of the sip. the beer is thick and a little on the syrupy side (not for the style) but smooth. a real good indicator of the style. it has all of the smokey malty flavors you want with no excess. kind of the ur-doppel.

hoegaardenhero, Jan 24, 2008
Photo of homebrewhawk
4.18/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

.5 liter brown bottle. Poured a clear reddish brown with about a finger of off white head. Huge malt aroma with some dark sugar and a little bit of noble hops. Fully bodied thick with malt. A pretty good amount of noble hop bitterness to balance the malt. Alcohol is evident in the finish. Good example of the style. Goes down a little too easy at 7.2% abv!

homebrewhawk, Jan 24, 2008
Photo of Dodo2step
4.38/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I purchase this beer at Market Cross Pub in Carlisle, PA.

A- dark and creamy

S-malty and enticing

T-a lil malty kick to it but it goes down very smooth.

M-tasty and brings the tastebuds to life

D-could def drink a six pack of this beer. My first time i ever heard or had one and i love it.

Dodo2step, Jan 22, 2008
Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
88 out of 100 based on 2,638 ratings.