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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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2,745 Ratings
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Ratings: 2,745
Reviews: 1,292
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 70
Gots: 260 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Ratings: 2,745 | Reviews: 1,292
Photo of drxandy
3.65/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from 12oz to standard pint, pours a reddish brown, clarity is high (filtered), head fades

smells of heavy malts, slight appley alcohol, bready

taste is bitter, heavy, malts hit in, roasty, hop load overtakes everything, alcohol present, way drinkable, pleasant flavor - lighter than most of the dopplebock's i've had in the past

mouthfeel is heavy, bitter, a flavorful offering, slightly creamy, delicious! i would buy again since the price point is low :D

Photo of GratefulBeerGuy
3.54/5  rDev -9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

12 oz. green bottle > dimpled mug

Looks like rootbeer and lots of mellow, tiny bubbles with a 1/2" tan tined crown that dissipates very quick and totally disapears. Looks a slight bit flat.

The aroma is that of very sweet dark malts, honey comb, brown sugar, charred wheat, slightly sour dark fruits.

The malt attack is mostly sweet, like nutmeg and brown sugar. The hops are herbal, semi-bitter dry-leafy taste coupled with a very up-front sour yeast. The heat rounds out the flavors and adds a bit of complexity and a nice warming effect.There's freshly baked honey-wheat bread and some subtle sour, red berries on the down-low.There is also a rather unpleasant bitter, metallic sourness in the aftertaste.(green bottle effect?) The feel is crisp at first but then chewy and thick on the finish.

I dig the big malt complexity but the blend of flavors simply doesn't jive with my palate for very long. This is one and DONE.

Photo of donteatpoop
3.93/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured a dark amber color, almost a chocolate brown; a thin tan head resting on top.

Smelled of dark roaster caramel malts.

Tasted much like the scnet, dark roasted malts and caramels. Hints of chocolate and coffee were also present.

Goes down smooth with a nice mellow level of carbonation. Leaves the palate a little dry, though.

Definately a solid session beer, I could drink this all night.

Photo of tweeder263
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out a clear brown/a,ber brew with a nice 2 finger head. Smells of all malt.Malty taste,,semi dry,,no noticable hop flavor/aroma.This is a pretty decent beer. Has a nice crisp mouthfeel,,and seems like i could have a few of these and not be tired of it.

Photo of cvstrickland
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 ounce bottle poured aggressively into a tulip yields a deep clear brown body with cranberry highlights capped with a milk-colored beige head of 3 fingers that retains at a fine-bubbled fluffy sheet and leaves wide webby bands of fine lacing.

Smell is faintly malty with a nice touch of chocolate.

Tastes sweet and chocolatey with a fruity note of alcohol and a little twang of coffee. Malts linger in the aftertaste with a faint hop bitterness.

Smooth and medium-bodied with minimal carbonation on the tongue. Delicious and very drinkable.

Photo of sld66
4.42/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from the bottle into my Pilsner glass (only beer glass I have right now). Brown, almost muddy, opaque appearance. Nose is slightly sweet, not overwhelming, maybe some toasted nuts. Medium body, very smooth, well rounded taste. Hints of chocolate. Could easily drink another depite >7% alcohol content. Excellent.

Photo of aubuc1
3.97/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle into imp pint glass. Very clear brown bottle with little to no head. Smells of malt and fruit- maybe some banana and raisin. Sweet taste initially with malt follow. Very light feel in the mouth and very easy to drink. This is a go to beer for me because of its easy drinkability while masking pretty high alcohol.

Photo of beerthulhu
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Poured a dark, ruby red when held up to the light with an average 1 finger light, creamy capping topping things off leaving a fair lacing.

S: rich, dark and sweet toasted grains with some dried fruit (raisins).

T: full and malty with a nice breadiness, and roasted malting dominating. There was some semi-sweet molasses, and raisins sneaking in adding a layering of complexity. There was also slight hints of toffee and dark cocoa beans with a subtle alcohol warming very well to style.

M: creamy, smooth with a nice full caramel viscous and noble flowering.

D: Very good drinkability and certainly good to kick back with a few.

Photo of K270
4.72/5  rDev +21.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I'm not one to drink a dark beer. When I poured the beer into a clear glass the head was bountiful. Nice thick white head about 3 fingers thick. It stuck around a while then went away. A had a very nice smell, almost a mild spiced smell is the best way I can describe it. I might have to change my position on dark beers. I picked this up because it looked intresting and it's a very interesting beer. I'll definatly buy this beer again.

Photo of Lexluthor33
3.97/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours dark chocolate brown with small head and a sticky lace.The aroma is of malts,dark fruits,some chocolate notes with plums and and nuts.
The taste was toffee,chocolate,light hops,sweet caramel alcohol. The malts can not be forgotten as they really flexed thier muscles.
The overall feel was that this was a light-heavy beer. It was smooth,creamy,with light carbonation. Tad bit of a dry finish and certainly sweet to the core. A good,decent brew.

Notes: OK,so this was not exceptional or overly complex; yet I felt it hit the spot. Good silky tones and nice ABV. I could have had one more.

Photo of fitzy84
4.65/5  rDev +19.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had at Moan and Dove. Dark but clear appearance with some amber hints through light. Immediate lacing. Very rich in malts, grains and nuts in aroma: very enticing and thick smells. Really incredible taste: rich but not too heavy, malty and hoppy. Medium body balances out its delicious dimensions from getting too extreme. Overall, an awesome drink.

Photo of Portertime
3.97/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer was a little thin for a doppelbock but had a pretty decent taste. I had it chilled in my Warsteiner mug. Poured a deep milk chocolate brown with not much head. Aroma was of slight chocolate and some brewed coffee notes. Taste was thin but pretty complex with a good balance of chocolate malts with some mocha and bittering hops in the background. If I ran out of bread I would have no problem imbibing this Lenten beer.

Photo of diamondc
4.26/5  rDev +9.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A = deep dark scarlet, hmm, hardly any head or lace.

S = chocolate & mocha right away right when I pried the cap off. whipped cream. also getting a fried food type smell, unusual but intriguing. some banana sundae too.

T = root beer float flavors.. vanilla, chocolate, coconut, toffee, subtle hop flavor in the background.

M = briskly carbonated, very chewy mouthfeel.

D = kind of threw me off with the heavy aroma, but I'm really digging it with some dark chocolate. one pint is gonna do me just fine for the rest of the night.

Photo of avalon07
3.5/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: When I poured this beer from a bottle to a mug, it had a dark brown color and a slightly thin consistency. There was a small amount of head, but it lasted awhile.

S: There was a sharp aroma, with hints of coffee, sweets and malt coming in. Not overwhelming in this department, as most German beers aren't.

T: The flavor was just OK. Malt, some hops and barley, coffee and some sweets (toffee maybe?).

M: A fair amount of carbonation and a decently smooth finish. This is a medium-bodied beer.

D: Overall, this is an alright beer, though it didn't blow me away. There are better doppelbocks out there.

Photo of everetends
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this at Whole Foods in Buckhead, Atlanta. Poured into a goblet.

A: Poured what appeared to be a black body, but when held to light it is a beautiful, shiny amber. Nice head, with amazing lacing.

S: Smelled of malt, hops and traces of chocolate and caramel.

T: A nice malt flavor but the hops are present also. The sweetness is awesome with feel of this beer.

M: This beer has a great deal of carbonation but it works great with this beer. It almost adds to the flavor. Has a clean finish, with very little aftertaste.

D: Absolutely drinkable. The carbonation of a lighter beer, and the flavors of a heartier, darker beer. Refreshing. Will drink again.

Photo of deltatauhobbit
3.46/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark amber/copper color with a good sized creamy head, good retention with some lacing.

Smell is slightly sweet but has a distinct lager aroma, not quite as aromatic as other doppelbock's I've had.

Taste has a good creamy texture with good carbonation, primarily malty, not overly complex with the flavors, slight coffee aspect, definitely not my go-to doppelbock.

Photo of GRPunk
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into a mug.

A- It poured a clean, dark brown with a 1 finger tan head. The medium carbonation allowed the head to drop to a thick lace that stuck nicely to the side of the glass.

S- There's definitely more malt than hops, but they aren't missing either. The initial aroma was really doughy but the hops clean things up in the finish.

T- Really malt heavy. It's a bit chocolatey, roasty, and caramelly (are any of those words?), but all good.

M- It was solidly thick with the slightest of tingle from the carbonation and hops.

D- While quite full-bodied, it's smooth enough to have more than one in a sitting.

Photo of clayrock81
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A thick, cola like blackness oozed into my glass and left a small head and minimal lace rings. A malty smell of coffee and roasted malt (maybe cocoas) and some sweet smells also. A coffee, roasted malt taste with an overlying smoothness brought on by caramel. Moderate dryness on the backbite, as the alcohol is somewhat noticeable but doesn't ruin the beer. A tad simplistic but a solid beer worth trying and having a couple at the bar.

Photo of JBogan
2.93/5  rDev -24.7%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Had this a while back, but couldn't remember if I liked it so decided to revisit it again.

Poured a dark, almost cola like appearance with a solid two finger head which stayed for quite a while and left strong lacing.

Smelled of nuts and coffee, with some alcohol present.

Tasted of mild coffee and maybe some dark fruits. normally I don't like the taste of coffee but this was well integrated and was somewhat pleasing.

Mouthfeel was good. Smooth and a bit on the thick side.

All in all it wasn't my favorite offering from Spaten, but it was well done and something I'd consider having again.

Photo of JEdmund
3.95/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Dark amber, like a strong iced tea. Good head on it, which leveled out fast, yet left a nice surface layer of foam.

Bready, and some pepperiness to it; a bit sweet like a brown ale; hints of raisin, and just a tad coffee

Taste & Mouthfeel
Decent bitterness to it, though certainly more toffee, malty flavors coming through. Light in body on the tongue, with a nice amount of carbonation.

A tasty doppelbock. It would be easy to drink this as a session beer.

Photo of dacrza1
4.38/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Dark, brazen brown body with a white settling head; occupies the Celebrator glass well... excellent tracings of lace... heightened malts.... the sweet aroma is warming and inviting... smooth, medium-bodied with little effervescence around the tongue and below...creamy... the pitch of bready yeasts and malts are empowering, rich and rewarding... the end is warming... in the first of six doppelbocks sampled, the Optimator sets a brisk pace... the malts arrive as expected, balanced as the lion and lamb month they 're intended for...

Photo of dsa7783
4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Single, 12 oz bottle purchased from Total Wine and More in West Orange for $1.79...
Dark-purple, mahogany brown appearance topped off with a modest foamy head that soon dissipated and left a fair amount of lacing...
Deep, roasted malt smell with noticeable hints of prunes and dates...
Thick, rich flavor bursting with figs, prunes, dehydrated fruits, molasses, syrup, and dark, candied sugars...
Very creamy mouthfeel with a nice hint of sweetness thrown into the mix...
Good level of drinkability, especially with the nice 7.2% ABV and lack of cloying flavors...

Photo of rtratzlaff
4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a pint glass, this beer revealed a darker brown beer with a 1/2" head that left some lacing down the glass.

Smells were malty and sweet with German hop spice.

Taste is similar to smell with more of cocoa flavor and alcohol presence.

Mouthfeel was medium and I did not mind.

Drinkability was fine. It is higher alcohol though. Oddly enough it went with my turkey on wheat.

Photo of Traquairlover
3.79/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12-oz bottle poured into a pilsner.

A = Clear dark amber brown, small tan to off white head, light lacing on glass.

S = Caramel, roasted malt, milk chocolate, some slight spiciness is in their too.

T = Milk chocolate and caramel but also some good amount of bitterness to balance it out.

M = Mdeium bodied, good mouthcoating, somewhat frothy when swished.

D = A good doppelbock, maybe a little fresher tasting and less complex than several others, but well worth drinking.

Photo of Rayek
4.17/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A nice doppel I hadn't had in awhile.

A: Nice maple colored beer. Offwhite head starts out good but dissolves a little too quick. Minimal carbonation. Leaves a fair amount of lace.

S: Sweet. Toffee, caramel, maple and brown sugar. Slight alcohol aroma keeps this from being too sweet.

T: Alcohol plays a big role. Cinnamon and clove bitterness balances toffee and caramel malt qualities. Hints of molasses. Finishes dry and a little sweet, but with a lingering bitterness. Very interesting.

M: Medium heavy body feels substantial. Carbonation level is just right.

D: Perfect for cool spring days. Strength limits me to one in a sitting.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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