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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Reviews: 1,304
Hads: 2,926
Avg: 3.89
pDev: 18.51%
Wants: 88
Gots: 376 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock | 7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of lackenhauser
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Nice, deep chestnut color. Very thin head on top. Smell leaves a bit to be desired. Very, very metallic and almost "skunked". Good chewy malt flavor. Slightly sweet but not overly done. Small taste of caramel and a tinge of bitterness. Creamy and smooth mouthfeel. Very drinkable. Always has been for me. I wonder how fresh this bottle is. Still a great beer-I always pick it up when I see it in a store.

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Photo of Cunningham26
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

A- zero head but good carbonation points on the side of the american tumbler. pours a dark brown like a dark rum
S- big malts
T- good taste, maltiness with fruit, but an ever present boozyness runs through it and stunts the flavor profile. no hoppiness to be found, but the caramel and even maybe some really light chocolate notes are pleasant
M- for all the maltiness, this one falls thin, and the alcohol really pervades on the aftertaste. good carbonation throughout, it's almost like drinking a soda
D- maybe a few, but not sessionable. after a few though, trading down to something with lower abv and more balanced flavor like pale ale makes the latter taste wonderful

this wouldn't be a constant pick, but i wasn't disappointed.

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Photo of Aleks_P
3.35/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pretty dark brown but transparent with very thin tan/white head. Appears highly carbonated based on the bubbles racing to the surface.

Smell: Was surprised a bit to pick up some pretty heavy caramel malt notes, almost smells sweet.

Taste: Malts make this a little heavy and the higher ABV is apparent. No alcohol burn but definitely taste it. Pretty bitter or tart I guess, I am a little concerned this beer might be skunked (who knows how long it was on the shelf) but it is self-described as "malt liquor" so maybe it's what they were going for.

Mouthfeel: Light and pleasant, enjoy the carbonation which balances the malt notes.

Overall: Wasn't a huge fan of this beer but I've only had a couple of dopplebocks so maybe I'll appreciate it more when I've expanded my pallet a bit. Prefer something with a lower ABV and less sour/bitter notes. Again, possible this particular beer was skunked.

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Photo of donkeyrunner
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Spaten Optimator is better when said with a Schwarzenegger-like Bavarian accent. Paired with a nasty New England rainy day.

Clear, dark chestnut color with blood red highlights. Large off-white head leaves fair retention and a few lacey splashes. Malty aroma, nothing in particular (maybe a bit nutty if you force me to name a standout scent), just heaps of munich. Taste is similiar--lots and lots of munich. Hints of brownie mix with a nutty fade in back.

Though cleaner than most dbocks it lacks complexity and big beer feel.

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Photo of ChainGangGuy
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a clear, dark reddish-brown body with a small, off-white head.

Smell: Somewhat sweet-smelling aroma of carob, dark fruits, and apples.

Taste: Mild dark caramel flavor mixed with some carob sweetness. Accompanying notes of dark fruits and chewing tobacco. Very minor hint of apple. Only a faint amount of hop spiciness, but no real bitterness. Touch of alcohol on the finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation.

Drinkability: It's a pleasant middle-of-the-road doppelbock.

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Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.33/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Reviewed on 05/14/2009. 12 oz. bottle. Pours a clear dark brown with a small tan head. Aroma of pizza dough and roasted lager malts. Flavor is nice and doughy with some sweetness in the finish. A touch vegetal. Nice and pleasant to drink. An ok beer.

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Photo of likethetaste
3.32/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I got this in a variety pack from World Market. I think this is the first time I have had a doppelbock. I don't know if I had a bad bottle but this seemed skunky to me. If this is a classic example of what a doppelbock taste like then I must say I would not be a fan. I will try others just to compare. But as far as this bottle goes I did not like it much at all.

My taste have changed since I first reviewed this beer. While still not great it is not a bad drink. I like it but do not Love it. Strong alcohol content so watch out.

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Photo of drpimento
3.32/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Obviously an old classic standard of dopplebocks. This one poured with a large light tan head, but that mostly disappeared within some minutes - no lace. Very dark reddish brown. Malty sweet nose. Same with flavor but with an odd salty character. Mild finish. Nice beer here. Balanced. Could drink a number of these.

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Photo of NuclearDolphin
3.32/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a pint glass

Appearance - Clear, dark fiery red with tons of carbonation rising up. Head is a dirty white/brown color with a soapy appearance

Smell - Caramel, Yeasts, Malts and Barley. The smell has a very strong, penetrating quality to it, as the smell seems to go right into your sinuses which feels rather strange. Aside from that, it smells decent

Taste - Caramel, Roasted Malts, Toffee, Yeasts and Barley. It's not as strong as the flavor, but it still tastes rather sweet. The aftertaste is quite strange, with a burnt malt/burnt barley flavor; tastes kind of ashy.

Mouthfeel - Moderate body weight with a moderate carbonation feel. It's crisp feeling, but not what I would call smooth. Still, it's easy to drink and that's what really counts

Overall - I was expecting more from Optimator, in terms of flavor and smell. Had the aftertaste not been so dry and ashy, I would've been more impressed.

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Photo of philbertk
3.31/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Optimator--1998 16.9 oz. Bottle. 6.00% ABV. (4.25 / 5.0) Doppelbock. Rich clear black cherry color. Rich thick cherry caramel malt body. Slightly sweet and bock smooth as rich flavor coats mouth. Tingle of balanced bitterness at end clears palette. Nice. Sampled 3/30/1999.

Optimator Doppelbock--2000 12 oz. Bottle. 7.20% ABV. (4.0 / 5.0) Clear deep cherry walnut color. Rich smooth sweet flavorful malty body. Medium heavy texture. Bavarian Yeast off flavor in character. Clear bottle. Cherry caramel toasted flavors. Smooth to end. Sampled 3/14/2000.

Optimator Doppelbock--2001 12 oz. Bottle. 7.20% ABV. (4.25 / 5.0) Lightly hazy rich amber red golden color. Malty laced head. Floral hop bouquet leads into tasty pale malt body with malty light caramel biscuit fruit flavor. Balanced smooth lingering malt hop finish. Sampled 6/21/2001.

Spaten-Brau, Munich, Germany--SPATEN Optimator Doppelbock--Green Label--2010 16.9 oz. Bottle. 7.60% ABV. 20 IBU's? (3.5 / 5.0) Thick pour. No sediment. Light tan 1/2" mild lace dissipating head. Clear dark ruby edged black color. Toasted black cherry fig mild hop front. Mildly creamy rich roasted fruit toffee cherry malty smooth mellow sweet rich BOCK body. Dry mild hop hot EtOH end. Sampled 1/8/2011. Purchased for $2.47 at Fred Meyer--Ballard, Seattle 12/28/2010.

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Photo of aerozeppl
3.31/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

At Mahar's. From notes.

A: Very dark amber color. 2 fingers of head.

S: Malt. Huge malt smell. Then an almost musty sweetness.

T: Floral up front then sweet malt. Finishes sweet.

M: Med body with a light syrupy feel from all the malt.

D:This is one of the maltiest beers I have ever had. It makes it a slow drink. Almost like a weak Harvey's Elizabethian Ale.

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Photo of eberkman
3.3/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a dark copper into a tall pilsner glass producing a 2-inch light-beige head that reduces quickly to a solid, sticky half-finger that leaves a little lacing when agitated.

The smell is an inviting soft, toasty maltiness. The taste is sweet caramel, toffee, butterscotch with a faint hint of cocoa. Not much bitterness to speak of and no definitive finish at first, though about a third of the way through, a sort of flat, tinny, rusty aftertaste takes over. Some hoppy bite and a lingering taste would have balanced it out a bit better, but the overall flavor is nice.

Mouthfeel is a little thinner and more delicate than I anticipated from a style that's usually a little heavier. Some stickiness too. Enjoyable, but not the most drinkable due to the cloying, rich sweetness with no dry bitterness to balance it out. I imagine the alcohol level could really sneak up on you, but that wouldn't be a factor in drinkability given the style.

Overall, not bad -- and somewhat complex for such a malty brew. But for a doppelbock, I'm going for other options. Kind of a beginner's beer. Get me a Celebrator!

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Photo of animal69
3.3/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

thanksgiving + snow = darker, stronger beer ; pours a dark amber color w/ a thin head which dissapated rather quickly, leaving little lacing ; a sweet caramelish/ prune aroma / w a faint hint of hops ; a sweet malty flavor, plenty of munich, not quite rich enough though, w/ a slight metallic taste as well, not as complex as it smelled ; a med bodied brew for the style, but plenty of dextrins to leave the flavor ; not a bad beer at all, i've just had many better bocks...

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Photo of Brad007
3.3/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark amber/brown color with a small head, some lacing. Aroma is strong with hints of caramel, brown sugar and malt sweetness. Only the second dopplebock I've had. The taste starts out sweet and malty upfront and fades into a caramel aftertaste that is kind of thin. A second sip confirms the same, being almost too sweet. A good representative of the style but by no means better than Celebrator.

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Photo of jujubeast6000
3.3/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Reviewed 7/25/2007 (16.9oz bottle):

Pours a medium to dark reddish brown, big tan head, lasting. Very sweet malty aroma, wood and toffee, grape juice, but not very strong an aroma. Taste of some coffee, chocolate and grape juice, effervescent. Not heavy like I thought. Good.

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Photo of jubnat
3.3/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This beer was a little too sweet for me. The alcohol and the sweetness were too prominent. There was a subtle roasted malt flavor that I liked, but wasn't enough to balance the flavors. A bit of bitterness would have been nice. It's a decent beer. But, I guess it's just not my style.

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Photo of impending
3.3/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

375ml into a tulip. Dark amber brown, minor head, mild carbonation. Nice malt aroma.

Taste is all malts. This is my first in a long while, I remember having liked it more than I seem to now - it doesn't seem so special. However, for being a doppelbock from Germany this is very inexpensive so maybe it was price/performance.

I would rate this beer much higher if it lost a single attribute - the metallic taste towards the end. I can't help but be conscious of it and it mars an otherwise superior lager.


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Photo of pants678
3.29/5  rDev -15.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Very deep brown with a thin bubbly, beige head foam.

It's a thick, dark chocolate aroma with hints of nut and toffee.

The taste is overwhelming toffee and coffee. Flavor has sharp undertones of peanuts. There is no distinction between the potency of the front and back end. The latter is sticky aftertaste of roasted oats and staunch malts.

The flavors are harsh and heavy, I feel like it needs a bit more of the bubbles to break things up.

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Photo of Sammy
3.28/5  rDev -15.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A very average brew. A dark amber appearance with a great head that fades slowly and that's it. No smell, no real taste. Carbonation spice and medium-light mouthfeel. Some malt in aftertaste. Nothing offensive I can say, disapointed. Maybe its better on tap with a spicy lunch.

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Photo of snpub540
3.28/5  rDev -15.7%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Poured a deep amber color out of the bottle. Some scarlet in there when held up to light. There was an off white thin ring of bubbles that topped it all off. Not a whole lot of lacing.

Aromas were pretty subtle. A little nuttiness from the malts but not a whole lot else going on there.

My tastebuds picked up a little toasted maltiness as well as a little diacetyl taste. Hops were a little spicy and they balanced out the sweetness in the finish. There is also a hint of warm alcohol in the end as well.

The mouthfeel was light and it left a dry aftertaste that was only quenched by another sip of the beer. Drinkability is good because the alcohol is not aggressive at all. I would have another.

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Photo of in780
3.28/5  rDev -15.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12 oz bottle poured into a Duvel tulip. Here we go:

A - Reddish-brown, lets through a little light, very little head. No lacing

S - Sweet smelling, licorice, brandy

T - Roasted malts, but the taste is watery. Not the mouthfeel, but just the taste - like there was supposed to be more but someone forgot to put it in. A letdown from what I was expecting

M - OK, low carbonation which is fine for the style

D - I could drink more, the alcohol is pretty well hidden, but I don't think I want to.

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Photo of richkrull
3.27/5  rDev -15.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured a dark brownish color with very little beige head on it. Smell is rich toffee malt. Taste is very heavy malt with quite a bit of alcohol coming through. Mouthfeel is medium-heavy from the malt. Overall a decent beer. I'm not a big fan but it's alright.

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Photo of Mavajo
3.26/5  rDev -16.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown slightly opaque with hints of red. Off-white head with decent retention and lacing. Aroma is pretty much just malt - taste brings a bit more to the table, but not much...slight hints of caramel or nuttiness. All in all, both taste and aroma are a bit weak. They're not bad, but not particularly interesting. Mouthfeel is likewise underwhelming - too thin. Carbonation is okay, but a bit more might help. Drinkability is good.

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Photo of beeragent
3.26/5  rDev -16.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Served in a glass from a 12oz. bottle. The beer poured a deep amber, forming a thin 1/4 inch head that quickly faded. Light spots of lace on the glass. The aroma is predominantly skunky, but light notes of malt coming through. The skunkiness seems to fade a bit towards the end. The taste is a mix of sweet and roasted malts. The flavor is thick and full. Coffee and a hint of peanuts. Medium mouthfeel. Overall, this is way better than I expected. If the abv. wasnt as high, I would drink this as a session ale. I have to say that this is the first German beer that wasnt completely killed by the skunky smell.

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Photo of wingman14
3.25/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark maple syrup brown with a white head. Smells sweet with malt and some caramel notes. This beer has a good and unique flavor with good balance and a very small bitter sweet finish. It is medium in body with an average amount of carbonation, and a decent mouthfeel. This was a good brew, worth checking out, not something I would seek out though, or pay to much for. Enjoy!

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 1,304 ratings.