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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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1,297 Reviews
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Reviews: 1,297
Hads: 2,886
Avg: 3.89
pDev: 18.25%
Wants: 87
Gots: 355 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of gonzo46and2
4.44/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Pours a mahogany brown with very little head. No lacing either. The appearance is the only category this beer lacks.

Smell is wonderfully full of malt, pine, brown sugar, soy sauce-like smokeyness and dark fruit. Almost bacony.... like a rauchbier.

Taste is delightfully sweet and full of malt. There's a bit of bitterness from mild hops.

Mouthfeel is perfect. Not too thick and good carbonation.

Drinkability... well the abv will fool you if you don't check the bottle. It tastes like a session dopplebock but is a bit too strong for that.

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Photo of bradford
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

After passing this beer for a long time, I finally caved and bought a six pack
Looks ok, actually not very good to me for some reason.
I dont get much on the nose either. Obviously a malty lager smell, but I can't distinguish much else
Tasted excellent. Full, rich, complex, and most importantly, tasty.
Mouthfeel was pretty good. Very thick but also crisp
Drinkability is excellent. This one goes down easy and tastes great

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Photo of cornet1
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This review stems from a 1 PT .9 OZ "bomber" with a bottled on date of L34653 which means the 346th day of 2005. This bottle is exactly one year old (happy birthday!). The smell is extremely malty. The strong malt is apparent the second the bottle is opened. It poured a nice deep brownish ruby color. There was a nice 1 1/2 inch head after pouring. The taste is very malty and the alcohol is only somewhat noticeable for a 7.2%. I really can't detect any hops, just pure malty goodness! I know that the Ayinger Celebrator is rated higher than this one but I find them both to represent the doppelbock style equally. However, the Celebrator does seems a little bit more smooth than the Optimator. I highly recommend this doppelbock by Spaten and be sure to seek out the 1 PT .9 OZ "bomber" cause the 12 OZ bottle is just never enough!!!!


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Photo of mimicic
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Probably one of the beer I love which I can get it for really cheap near my house (Wegmans in Rochester).

12oz bottle (6.99 for 6 pack =D)

Appearance: Amber Dark. Has little thin foam on the top.

Smell: Very unique. Sweet aroma with maltiness

Taste: Sweet and malty

Mouthfeel: Really rich and warm. Malt covered and taste stays in your mouth for long time

Drinkability: Good beer to drink, but I wouldn't drink more than 2 bottles. This beer is really really rich.

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Photo of cerevisiaephilus
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This beer is one of my favorites. A ridiculously malty beer, that isn't to sweet. Its just right. This beer has a great nose on it from which one can detect a bit of alcohol and a good dose of malt aroma with maybe a little honey scent in there too. Almost no detectable hop presence, but I'm sure without hops it would taste odd.

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Photo of yemenmocha
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours dark brown color, caramel perhaps, with light tan head. Nose is bready with very traditional doppelbock character. Palate is light flavored and bodied compared to other doppelbocks, good malt core with light roasty and brown sugar like flavors. Faint hopping for balance. Smooth. Easy drinking. What a refreshing doppelbock!

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Photo of Offa
4.45/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

This is a very tasty, yet highly drinkable doppelbock.

Very dark brown with some red, it has a medium, pale tan head steadily shrinking to thin foam then a ring. It leaves a few wisps of lace but very little.

The aroma is rich whole wheat bread with prunes, musty grain, a bit meaty with hints of molasses and steak sauce, esp. tamarind. It's very nice.

The taste is also quite nice, being musty whole wheat, raisins, hints of charred herbs, wood, and licorice, but the latter fades soon and a caramelly chocolate quiality becomes stronger, along with a little molasses. It has an alcoholic prune-like spiciness and starts sweeter before a somewhat drier, clean finish. It's tasty, nicely balanced, and highly drinkable, if not as rich and complex as some.

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Photo of KuehneBe
4.46/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from the 12oz bottle.

A: Absolutely gorgeous brew, with a color and depth I'd describe as dark red mahogany. Beautiful! The head is just right and surprisingly creamy. Quite the stunning view.

S: The smell somewhat reminded me of a sweeter, fuller pilsner with hints of fruit. Nothing too outstanding, but very pleasant.

T: Some strong honey, caramel and molasses flavors, with a distinct hint of iron or copper which actuallly works very well for this beer. The sweetness is not overpowering (thank god), and masks the ABV rather well. This is one tasty beer!

F: Not syrupy at all, with just the right amount of carbonation.

O: A fantastic Doppelbock, I'm definitely going back for some more!

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Photo of TheLocust830
4.46/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

I'm drinking one now, and I rarely go a weekend without one.

This beer has a beautiful color, almost like cola with some extra glow, which is one of my favorite things about it. Just the right consistency for a doppelbock; not watery, but not motor oil either. The bottle is simple, but I like looking at it because it reinforces the idea that it has been enjoyed since 1397.

It smells sweeter than the average beer, but doesn't taste too sweet and definitely doesn't taste bitter at all. Optimator has a very malty taste. A little sweet, a little bite, but fairly potent at 7.2% ABV. Once I start drinking it, I have a very hard time stopping. A six-pack is perfect after a hard day of work when your thirst needs quenching, and you need to get a nice buzz on.

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Photo of MuenchenerKindl
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Ahh Bock!

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a tall steamed glass. The light tan head takes over after 8 oz. The 2 finger head is delicious and has staying power as it floats above a dark liquid with redish tones .

Smells are of deep roasted malt, dark chocolate, and a hint of licorice.

Taste is sweet, served at 11 deg. c. DEA dark roasted malt topped with espresso, dark chocolate, and a hint of licorice are delightful. The sweetness and medium bitter hops mask any unfriendly alcohol, taste.

I like the mouth feel. It is creamy, lightly carbonated and leaves no unpleasantness.

This is a very drinkable offer. The gentle sweetness and the medium bitter hops work in unison to deliver a smooth and tasty beer. Spaten has had ample time over the past 600+ years and has made the most of it.

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Photo of DrDemento456
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Had this before but never reviewed it. Got it in the variety case for 32 dollars so around 8 bucks a sixer.

A - Expected darker but it poured a fair dark clear brown with a minimum layer of head.

S - I can smell the alcohol and glad its faint and buried under caramel and what smells like burnt brown sugar. Bit of dark fruits and bitter molasses too.

T - Taste is surprisingly light which means my palate is used to heavy beers. I get a brown sugar not as burnt as the smell followed by a bit of alcohol that sticks to the finish with a sweet caramel and fig base. Solid beer.

M - Not as heavy as I remember drinks like a medium bodied DIPA.

D - I used to fear this in my Variety case and now its the most flavorful offering in it. Alcohol is there and well hidden. Best Doppelbock I ever had!

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Photo of DaveFL1976
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Had this on tap at Coasters in Indian Harbour Beach, Florida.

This looks nice. Pours a mahogany brown with a creamy sort-of-tan head that sticks around. Smell is sweet, roasty, malty, caramel, toffee, all that good stuff. The taste is all that you expect and more. So smooth and creamy. This is one heck of a doppelbock. Me likey.

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Photo of yen157
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Tasty thing this beer was. Poured pretty brown with only a slight reddish tint. Cream colored head was sticky while it lasted. This beer wasn't actually mine but my girlfriend's. When she smelled it and exclaimed "Raspberries!" I had my doubts. I was wrong. With the foam on top, the beer had the distinct aroma of fresh raspberries. It also had the more usual dopplebock aromas of rich malt and toasted grains.

The beer was surprisingly light in the mouth. While it was hugely malty in flavor, the beer itself was not syrupy like the taste would lead you to believe. Very slick beer. The carbonation was light enough to not be annoying. The major tastes were of dark malt, caramel, and maybe some cherries. The hop flavor and slight bitterness seemed simple, light, and straightforward.

Good beer. I would certainly have it again.

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Photo of bigrzman
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Translucent deep mahogany color, moderate carbonation, head poured thin and dissipated to paper thin head leaving no lace.

S: Very very clean. Faint chocolate and caramel malts.

T: Roasted malts, clean crisp hop bite, berries, and coffee. good lingering bitter hops and berry aftertaste. It is complex and delightful.

M: Astringent and drying, not a bad thing. Bity and strong. Medium body and tingly.

D: Highly drinkable. This is a wintertime warmer and a beer that will give you a good feeling without having to feel full.

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Photo of northaustin
4.47/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

in my opinion spaten optimator is the best high alcohol beer in most stores. it is usually not expensive and can be found at almost any convienience store. the dark thick beer in the green bottle gives it a very distinct taste. i have alot of good memories of drinking spaten optimator. perfect for the person who wants to mix it up from their selection of normal regular beers.

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Photo of pjroomy
4.48/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thank goodness for Cyclone Liquors in Ames, Iowa. If not for them I would have never been introduced to such a fine beer.

The first time I had an Optimator I was shocked to find out it comes in a green bottle, lol. I couldn't believe how dark it was. It has a very malty taste intitially and then a roasted (almond) flavor comes through.

For me, other Dopplebock's just don't measure up. Some others are a little too bitter. While Optimator is very malty it isn't bitter. The "ultra-malty" taste may grab you at first, but it finishes smooth leaving little to no after taste.

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Photo of Gehrig
4.48/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I just came back from reading group, driving through a moderate Midwest snowstorm, and grabbed this after bidding my better half good-night. What a choice; then again, the better choice was buying this in the first place. It's killer.

The appearance is gorgeous--a finger of very durable froth on a black raspberry body, with better lacing than I've seen in a while. The smell could be better, but provides caramel, berry, and a hint of chocolate. If I'd let this warm, it might emit more. But that's the problem--it's positively delicious! The texture, the wonderfully balanced carbonation, more pronounced chocolate, berries, caramel--a generous melange of flavors. Magnificent.

That the mouthfeel is so good enhances the taste, while also making this perfectly drinkable. This is one to grab a sixer, enjoy three and cellar the others. A great example of dopplebock, very delicious, flavorful, and easy to consume. The nose might suffer from my impatience, I'm willing to admit. Yet the taste is so good that it will be difficult to sit and savor this for long. Enjoy.

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Photo of aaronh
4.48/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This dark brown beer pours with an off white head that fills my pint glass. The head slowly recedes to a rocky layer of foam that clings to the sides of the glass. The aroma is all malt sweetness, with a slight huskiness. The taste is roasted malt, caramel, and sweetness. Notes of chocolate and a slight smokiness are present as well. Very complex flavor. The alcohol is noticable on the finish, and it warms the throat on the way down. The finish also has a lingering sweetness, most likely also from the alcohol. This is not a beer for the hop fan, but malt lovers should but it by the case. The mouthfeel is very full and creamy. The drinkability is good considering the alcohol content. I'm very surprised this beer is not in the top 50. A truly underrated beer.

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Photo of LarryKemp
4.48/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This dopplebock poured a clear deep brown with a tall stand of a fine dark tan head. The head did not last particularly long but left a nice lace on the glass. The aroma is malty and has no hoppiness. The taste follows suit and is dominated by malt. Their seems to be a fruitiness that hides behind the malt. This beer is not sweet but yet malty. No roasted taste. Not hops. With a little alcohol taste. The biggest weakness in this drink is its less than full-bodied mouthfeel. I would rate it medium at best. Overall, this is a great dopplebock. I find it a very good beer to sip and enjoy its delicious varieties in aroma and taste.

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Photo of gleemonger
4.49/5  rDev +15.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Hazy, reddish brown - difficult to see through. Small off-white head that dissipates quickly.

Dark fruit, barnyard hops, sweet malts.

Initial tastes are in line with the aroma - dark fruit, hay hops and some malty sweetness, though it's much more subtle and balanced. Not super complex, just a great balance of these elements.

Pretty thick, smooth, lightly carbonated.

Really good one. Not my favorite overall, but nails the classic flavors in a good, basic way - not super complex. Definitely recommend over most attempts.

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Photo of pat61
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

L: A brilliant dark brown pour crowned by a dense, clingy, cream 2” cream colored foam collar that slowly recedes. S: Fresh dark bread, spice and a hint of banana. T: Bready malt, a hint of cola, spice and a dark bread crust bitter. F: Very smooth medium low carbonation, medium full body. O: A wheel of Rocchetta, a fresh baguette and an Optimator and you have "Le petit Jésus en culotte de velours."

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Photo of NeroFiddled
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Clear, deep-crimson/mahogany in color with an off-white head that drops shortly after pouring but maintains a good-sized creamy collar and more than adequate surface foam. Very nice. The aroma expresses rich, toasted Munich malts; a hint of fruit; a slight whisp of alcohol; and a light touch of background hops. The body is medium/full with a very fine and slightly moderate carbonation that leaves it smooth and creamy across the palate. The flavor delivers a rich toasted malt that's laced with fruit and some minimal hop flavor; as well as some clear alcohol. It's very well balanced and the sweet malt is always kept in check by a firm, underlying bitterness. It finishes dry with just a swirl of fruit and alcohol; and the malt never clings to the palate. Very well done! One of the classics of the style.

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Photo of HopHeadKen
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Part of a side by side Dopplebock tasting with Optimator-Celebrator & Salvator. A lot of fun and an interesting way to compare these classic rich beers.

Deep brown color, with hints of amber. not quite as dark as Celebrator.

Smell is rich sweet & malty.

Head is thin & tan, fades fast to nothing but an edge ring.

Mouthfeel is full & viscous, smooth.

I love Dopplebocks and this one is great. Could drink it often if availabliity allowed.

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Photo of stegmakk
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Nice dark brown in color. The litre that was poured for me did not have much head to it. Malty aroma and flavor (but not overpowering). Went down extremely easily. But it was very filling. Did not have much room for dinner. I was very surprised to find such a high alcohol content when I went to buy some later in the week. Does not taste that strong.
Overall excellent.

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Photo of abriggs1
4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 2.5

If you can find Spaten on tap there's not much better. It's good in the bottle too though. It has a very unique taste that's very German. It's so complex it's very hard to describe but there's some raisin, burnt toast, and nutmeg. You can't drink a lot of this stuff because it feels like a lead weight in your stomach.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
87 out of 100 based on 1,297 ratings.