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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Ratings: 2,501
Reviews: 1,262
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 62
Gots: 144 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
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Photo of Bouleboubier


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

here's notes from a sampling of a bottle of indeterminate age:

SEE: tight 1/2" tan head, some big bubbles, did not last long, no lace - deep garnet color and ultra-clean

SMELL: dark-toasty, lightly-melanoidin, German-malty aroma - bold, but not "rich" or exhibiting depth - slightly floral-alcohol perfume, black cherry - a lil "roasty"

TASTE: dark vinous, stone fruits, a tiny bit of molasses (flavor, not feel), floral alcohol - very clean, as in the malt flavor drops off in the finish, with only mild alcohol lingering

FEEL: medium mouthfeel, dry finish - not enough malt roundness? - slowly emerging warmth chasing each sip - a bit of carbonic bitterness(?) which borders on sharp - but, a dry feel by and large - overall certainly quaffable

OPINION: coming back to this for the first time in years, it's not what i expected nor recall - but it's got all the technically-correct nuances of a model doppelbock - drinkable in quantity despite the finish being a lil too hot and floral (leads me to think the ferment was rushed or something) - this example speaks to me as a regular, traditional bock with the presence of additional alcohol - maybe they just brewed a regular bock and added extra ethanol - don't know why anybody would do that though....

11-05-2012 23:28:33 | More by Bouleboubier
Photo of notchucknorris


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

A: Dark brown, almost the color of a rich maple syrup, with a very thin head that goes away pretty fast.

S: Rye bread and a bit of beef jerky with some roasted malts in the background.

T: Not a beer for the weak of heart. Freshly baked rye bread all over with some brown sugar, figs, raisin and some yeast. Syrupy mouthfeel is perfect for the taste.

07-21-2011 04:17:32 | More by notchucknorris
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3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

12oz. bottle. Decanted as a clear, brown-copper colored fluid. Formed a large tan head. Bar got a sip. Aroma was molasses, caramel, and raisins. Hops were not present. Alcohol was faint, but detectable. Flavor was sweet, like dark, honeyed bread. Raisins and plums came to mind, as well as just a little bit of chocolate. Hops, again, clearly had a secondary role - a little balance throughout, but mainly present in the finish and aftertaste as a slight bitterness. This beer was lighter than I expected, with a body landing somewhere between light and medium. It was very smooth, almost creamy. Carb was light, but seemed appropriate for the beer, and you certainly enjoyed a warm glow from the ABV. Overall, quite good, but I would give the nod to Celebrator with respect to flavor complexity. This, on the other hand, is a little easier to drink since it is a bit lighter. ABV will sneak up on you...

09-27-2006 15:18:24 | More by
Photo of shippos

New York

3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

poured with a clear dark ruby/brown color and a very good off-white head. malty aroma with some alcohol. not much as far as hops, jsut enough to balance off some of the malt. smooth balanced mouthfeel and then the alcohol kicks you in the back of the throat. good doppelbock but not neccessary my favorite one of choice.

10-21-2003 17:42:28 | More by shippos
Photo of tangentrider


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

A- medium brown beer with a tan head; red highlights when held to the light; crystal clear

S- roasted malt, slightly spicy, yet clean

T- nice balance of roasted malt, slight sweetness, with a spice backdrop

MF- creamy, medium carbonation, maybe a bit oily; very nice

D- I would definitely have another, and I'm generally an ale person.

04-03-2009 03:06:24 | More by tangentrider
Photo of fightingwords


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured from a bottle into a 16oz American pint.

A--Deep "bloody" brown, transparent when held to the light. 2 finger head from a heavy pour. Super fluffy sticky off white head. Good lacing

S--Malty sweetness, Caramel, biscuits? Has a sourness in the finish of the smell and I swear I could draw a little pepperiness.

T--Strong buttery caramel taste. The malts are full, rich, and over the top, but it is a dopple. Coffee like finish. Clean alcohol flavor barely presents itself.

M--Low carbonation, smooth medium body that never felt weak at anytime. Wish it finished just a bit slower, feels like if finishes kinda quick.

D--For a dopple bock heavy in malts its super drinkable.

O--I like this beer alot, as my local BA bud (OrionsBow) would say, "I could drink the snot out of these." Super good dopple if you are into bock beers. Give it a shot. The ABV can sneek up on you though so be careful if you are easily effected.

03-24-2006 01:08:22 | More by fightingwords
Photo of aubuc1


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

12 oz bottle into imp pint glass. Very clear brown bottle with little to no head. Smells of malt and fruit- maybe some banana and raisin. Sweet taste initially with malt follow. Very light feel in the mouth and very easy to drink. This is a go to beer for me because of its easy drinkability while masking pretty high alcohol.

05-23-2008 00:41:39 | More by aubuc1
Photo of MusicmanSD


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

My buddy swears by this, and I had never had a doppel...not to mention the $7 pricetag at Trader Joe's seeming like a steal...poured into a pint glass (unfourtunately) and had a great dark ruby color with brown-ish head. The smell is very sweet, but a whisk of alcohol. The taste is all there, lots of caramel, in fact it seems liek your drinking caramel at a certain point of the sip. Slight roast to the malt makes for a very interesting taste. The mouthfeel is motor oil, props on doing that Spaten! The drinkability, for me at least, is fairly low. The sweetness just kinda puts you off that its a beer, almost mead-like to be honest. One of these babe's will get you feeling all warm inside, thats for sure!

04-13-2007 03:05:16 | More by MusicmanSD
Photo of AmericanGothic


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a Sam Adams pint.

A: Pours a dark, translucent copper brown color with 1/2 finger of tan head. Some retention and lace.

S: Malty caramel, light floral notes and some buttercream.

T: Spicy caramel up front slowly transforms into peppery molasses. Long, lingering finish. Faint coffee in the slightly sweet aftertaste. Light herbal/floral notes emerge as the beer warms.

M: Smooth, not too heavy, carbonation has a gentle, creamy feel.

O: A solid doppelbock, tasty and quite drinkable, widely available and reasonably priced. Not my top pick, but one I would likely buy again.

09-03-2011 17:04:35 | More by AmericanGothic
Photo of BeefyMee


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

I poured this and was surprised to find out that the bottle is actually green. The beer has a wonderful reddish hue when held up to light. The smell was a disappointment, as it was hardly even there. I only got a whiff of a little alcohol, malt, and a faint lager-like aroma. The taste, however, makes up for this. I'm a sucker for malt and this one has it in spades, like I was hoping it would. A little more complexity would have driven this beer into the upper echelon of great tasting brews, but I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless. Some alcohol is present in the flavor, and a butteriness dominates the aftertaste. The hops come through ever so slightly in the aftertaste as well.

12-30-2003 07:15:05 | More by BeefyMee
Photo of BeerBuilder


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

This one pours to a ruby-brown color with a light brown head. The aroma is malty, bready, and roasty. The flavor is malty, bready, chocolatey, with a bit of roastiness. This is a full-bodied, alcoholic brew. Very malty and tasty. I really enjoy the malty doppel bocks.

05-13-2003 05:02:58 | More by BeerBuilder
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3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Pours deep ruby brown with a decent head to start, then nothing but a slight ring down the pint. No lacing.

Boozy stone fruit, brown bread, and malt aromas.

A nicely balanced doppelbock with rich roasted malt, pumpernickel bread notes, some burnt sugar, and a fairly clean but bitter finish. Nothing extreme here.

The carbonation helps this one tremendously, where the flavors are instantly cleared from your tongue. Keeps this one lighter and more drinkable than others. Body is medium, but a bit on the light side of that spectrum.

Overall, very good. A decent version of the style. Simple, but full of flavor. A good one to try if you are getting into doppelbocks. And cheap too! I bought this as a $1.80 single.

03-20-2010 20:59:59 | More by OtherShoe2
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3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Pours a dark brown with hints of red. Had a 1/2" white head that disappeared completely and fast. Smells of chocolate and vaguely reminiscent of red wine. Tastes like it smells. Licorice is also present as is a hint of bitterness at the finish. Nice mouthfeel. Not as thick as I had expected. Great drinkability, ABV is on the high side but I haven't let that stop me yet. Overall this is a good, solid beer. Not something I'd go out of my way for but should the opportunity arise I would certainly have it again.

08-21-2006 02:57:48 | More by mnj21655
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3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Full of flavor, nice malt taste with just tinge of sweetness. Easy to drink with a nice aftertaste. The alcohol has a warming effect as you drink it. More of a cool weather offering. For some reason, drinking this outdoors on a crisp evening brings out the beer's flavor and enjoyment.

06-21-2002 06:38:56 | More by proc
Photo of RoamingGnome


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured out of a 12 oz bottle into a tulip style pint glass

A) Dark brown with a nice inch of tan head. The head settles pretty quickly. There was no lacing. In the end it kind of looks like a Pepsi Cola with less carbonation.

S) There is malt upfront and a sweetness that seems like a combination of brown sugar and a bit of booze.

T) Roasted malt with a bit of toffee, light chocolate and hazelnut. This has nice balance, and the 7.6 ABV is hardly detectable.

M) A medium to full bodied brew that is lightly carbonated. This one is soft and creamy. My palate has no complaints.

O) The double shovel is tasty, and almost always means good times are around the bend. As my uncle says, let's get Optimated!!!!

09-16-2011 22:57:21 | More by RoamingGnome
Photo of jlh8643


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured from a green bottle with no date into my HB mug. Dark brown body with red highlights. A thin, creamy tan head that fades fast. Very malty sweet aroma, like a lot of caramunich malt. Some prunes and rasins in there too. Some noble hops play a minor roll in the aroma. I almost think I can smell a hint of mint there too. Full bodied. Sweet with a bit of chocolate malt and some kinda nuttiness. Finishes with a grape or wine taste. I wouldn't have minded to have another but I only had one bottle.

03-11-2006 04:57:36 | More by jlh8643
Photo of jettjon


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Highs: Appearance, nose, flavor
Lows: Thin mouthfeel

Pours a dark, clear amber brown with no visible carbonation. Head is thick brownish tan, fading down slowly to 1-finger, great retention, good lacing. Nose heavy on yeast, some alcohol, sweet malt, sorghum, and maybe some dark fruit. Taste sweet malt well balanced again mild hops, yeast, a tiny bit of alcohol, finishing on a yeasty/fruity note that lingers for a bit toward the back of the tongue. Mouthfeel is a little disappointing, mostly watery with just a bit of creamy substance to it. Drinkability is very good.

Overall: A good and surprisingly inexpensive dopplebock (about 8 bucks for a sixer, versus 2 bucks plus each for Celebrator). Not as good as Celebrator or Samichlaus, but a darned good dopplebock nonetheless. Try it.

07-30-2006 21:17:27 | More by jettjon
Photo of afordney


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Dark Reddish Brown color, one-finger off-white head dissapeared quickly, pretty attractive bubbly look and nice color

Smells malty, slight hops, and hints of caramel.

Tasty roasted malt gives way to caramel and toffee notes, slight hop bitterness and earthy coffee flavor in the finish.

Full flavor, well balanced between bitterness and malty sweetness

A fantastic dopplebock, one I will use as a standard.

05-11-2006 01:55:12 | More by afordney
Photo of atpben


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured it into a pint glass and it came out a nice reddish brown color with a deep head. Aromas of mostly brown sugar and some hops. Very smooth in the taste with chocolate, brown sugar, and very light caramel. This beer is very drinkable. It ends nicely with the typical Spaten bitternes with a very light metallic aftertaste. Very nice beer.

07-09-2009 01:13:37 | More by atpben
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3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

A: half finger head on a deep amber hazy body.

S: sweet caramel and chocolate malts and cocoa.

T: malts with dark fruit and lots of dark chocolate with some toasted malts.

M: medium body and moderate carbonation.

Overall: This is a nice beer but a little less spicey than I like for the style. Still a good beer to have routinely.

05-11-2012 01:28:22 | More by kylehay2004
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3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

This is really an area of German Biers that I have not gotten into much just yet. But I will be visiting it again soon. This malty and rather herbacious brew was a real winner. The roasted goodness stayed in the nose, and lasted through to the last sip. This is a solid Bier.


03-13-2004 16:17:29 | More by goindownsouth
Photo of techtatu


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

Poured a nice caramel color with a cream color head...it was about 2 fingers width and lasted quite a while. Very little lacing on the glass and bland smell. It had a dark caramel taste to it and no bitter after taste.

This beer is definitely going into the fridge with the Salvator. Something I would enjoy after a long hard and drawn out week, and it's not a beer I would suggest to a buddy who has never drank before.

10-18-2008 16:47:03 | More by techtatu
Photo of OlRasputin989


3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

A: dark brown brew that is ruby red when held to he light. decent off white head

S: dark chocolate and cherries. very simple but nice

T: dried fruit, brown sugar and an oak barrell flavor. finishes with a hoppy and spicy, chocolatey oarnge peel fade

M: medium body with good carbonation and an oily entry fades to slightly oily and dryish

Overall, This is a very good dopplebock and a fine example. This beer is always good when i don't know what to buy.

08-10-2009 00:54:24 | More by OlRasputin989
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New York

3.99/5  rDev +2.6%

Purchased: 30 Jan 2014
Poured into a tulip glass.

Appearance- Pours dark amber red with a mid-sized head that is stark white in comparison. The head slowly retreats leaving little to no lacing. Carbonation bubbles gather at the bottom of the glass, releasing themselves into the deep crimson abyss.

Smell- Semi-sweet and fruity. Not overbearing. No hints at higher than average ABV.
Taste- Comes on sweet, yet dark. Malts and hops battle for taste bud conquest yet neither achieves victory which makes for a nice mix. There is a crispness about this beer and it finishes smooth and quickly. You’d never know that this beer is 7.6% ABV.

Mouthfeel- Little carbonation and a nice medium coating of the mouth. It retreats down the esophagus leaving a brief tickle on the tongue, memoirs of the low carbonation.

Overall- Spaten really did a great job with this beer. Price point is right on at $15.99 USD for a 12-pack that really hides a high ABV compared to most other beers. This doppelbock is fantastic in the middle of winter thanks to the warming alcohol content but refreshing enough to be drank on the hottest days of summer. When in doubt in my local beer store, I always turn to Spaten’s Optimator.

01-31-2014 00:24:09 | More by Geegmasta
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4/5  rDev +2.8%

07-07-2012 01:02:36 | More by Altair
Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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