Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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very good

2,816 Ratings
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Ratings: 2,816
Reviews: 1,315
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 78
Gots: 308 | FT: 0
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Germany

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

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Photo of govtmule
4.06/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I've been drinking Spaten Pils and Oktoberfest at one of my local pizza joints for a couple of years. For some reason I never grabbed the Optimator at the store. I read a little about dopplebocks last week and it inspired me to grab a six.

Pours a nice dark reddish-brown, more brown than red. The head is a shade darker than heavy cream, about an inch that settled but some hung around through most of the beer. A nice thick feel in the mouth. You definitely feel like your drinking something substantial. For a 7.2% ABV it was well balanced and easy to drink, easily a session beer for me.

The taste was distinctly Spaten. It has some nice roasty sweetness and leaves a pleasant trail of alcohol.

As the bottle says, "The Classic Dark German Beer".

Photo of jwilli7122
3.83/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a dark, clear mohagany with lots of tiny bubbles and a smallish off-white head which is twice as tall on the edges of the glass as it is in the middle. Good lacing.
Smell is dark fruits and alchohol.
Taste is much the same- big grape/prune taste with some sweetness and some alchohol flavors. Malty, moderately thick, highly carbonated. Smooth.

Photo of daledeee
4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I was not very optimistic. The head was just not there even with a very agressive our. It appears no bottle conditioning; there is no yeast and the beer is absolutely clear but still nice dark brown.

Smells like caramel.

This is one rich beer. Very thick tasting laced with sweetness, caramel, malt and a little stronger finish. Very nice. Classic German brew. And the lace did not go away dispite the weak head.

Mouthfeel is a little on the edge but I like that.

Very drinkable.

Photo of DaPeculierDane
3.78/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The double shovel means double trouble with Spaten's most dangerous beer. I can think of no better way to optimize my evening then with Z Optimator.

The Arnold Schwarzinager of beers, Z Optimator's strength is immediately apparant, both disgusting and delighting with its erste taste. Sometimes difficult to consume at first, as if your body is warning against its mighty conents, Z Optimator becomes smoother and more pleasing with each sip.

I can not recomend this beer enough to those who love strong and beefy beers that carry a bazooka for a buzz. I truely believe that there is something more to this beer then its high alcohol content. Consumers beware, this beer can lead to strange and unexplainable occuances and should be taken in cautiously.

I suggest splitting a 24 ounze bottle to begin an evening. Any thing more and you could be diving into a lake, half nude, in search of a cell phone that you thought fell out of your pocket. But oh wait...I don't even own a cellphone?

It wasn't one of my finer moments but how can the Univesity of Wisconsin sell such large pitchers for such a low price and not expect trouble?

Photo of jimdkc
4.35/5  rDev +11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Dark brown with maroon highlights, small head fades quickly. Aroma is subdued, carmel and a little alcohol. The flavors come in waves: initial sweetness on the tip of the tongue, followed by carmel malt, a little fruit and light coffee, a hint of hops, and finishing up with a nice alcohol warmness at the back of the throat. Enough body to coat the mouth nicely. Man, I love this stuff! I've had trouble deciding on a favorite beer style... but I'm thinking doppelbocks just might be it! I really need to do a side-by-side comparison with this and Salvator (another favorite of mine) some time!

Photo of canucklehead
4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked up in Point Roberts Shell Station.

This Double Bock poured darker than some other German versions but the surprise for me was the intensity of the malt that follows the first sip. Salavator and Celebrator are more slow to flex their muscle while the Spaten version comes across as slightly sweet
and bigger. I don't know how many pints I could drink but I sure liked the one bottle I had.

Photo of GuinnessSmurf
3.16/5  rDev -18.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This beer pours a warm deep brown color with a very thin head. It sort of has that Belgian Ale look - bubbley and thick. Couldn't get much of a nose off of this beer.

This beer seems to combine dark fruits and sweet malts. First impression: Raisins, plums and related dark fruit flavors meet with gentle matly flavors. I'd like to try this beer again under different circumstances and perhaps paired with the correct food. It is otherwise too sweet and too fruity.

Photo of Beastdog75
3.92/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

When one thinks of the Spaten brewery in Munich, the first brew that probably pops into their mind is their Optimator doppelbock. This is a very good brew that I can imagine being well accepeted by even beer newbies. It isn't a truly complex beer, but it is a sweet, malty meal in a bottle that isn't offensive in any way and doesn't overload the drinker with a heavy alcohol taste.

Optimator pours a nice darker amber/brown color that is mildly translucent. A one finger off-white foam forms but disappears in under 30 seconds. I thought the smell was quite pleasing despite the green bottle. Aromas of coffee mixed with caramel, roasted grain notes, and light cocoa powder. The mouthfeel is smooth but just a bit thinner than expected and had just a little bit of carbonation. A sweet, malty flavor is the dominant force with notes of caramel, roasted malts, chocolate-covered "dark fruit" (maybe some blackberries, dates, figs?). The latter flavor notes were a bit subtle and certainly do not overwhelm the beer. An alcohol flavor is present, but it too does not see the need to conquer the entire flavor. A mild dryness shows up in the finish. This is a beer where the malts take charge, not the hops. Surprisingly clean aftertaste, with some apple like notes, dark fruits and light dryness in finish, and some more light alcohol flavors. For a higher alcohol brew, there is just some mild alcoholic warmth to round things out.

I have to say this beer was more mild than I expected, but that turned out to be a plus. This is a dark brew that can be very quaffable. Mild, subtle, but thoroughly enjoyable. Certainly beats the Sam Adams Double Bock, which was a bit heavy in alcohol flavor in my opinion. This a good beer for the Spring thaw.

Photo of rdrummer
4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I have had the Optimator in a bottle. It didn't impress me, but this beer on tap has a lot of different characteristics. The beer pours a very, dark brown with reddish tones, with a smallish off-white head. There was considerable lacing during the drinking. It has a strong, roasted malt aroma with a little fruitish undertone. The beer is primarily a maltfest, but there is a grapy, fig or currant taste that adds body to it. There is a quick hit of hops at the end. I love the mouthfeel of this. It is thick and creamy with just the right carbonation. Altogether, a surpisingly nice beer from Spaten. I had come to not expect much from the brewer. I had this at Ludwig's in Philadelphia so it was served that way it should be.

Photo of filabrazilia
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown with amber hues. A small tan head sits atop and leaves trails of lace on the glass.

There is a slight toasted malt aroma with a light sting of alcohol. Nothing too remarkable.

The flavor is good with a deep malty nut flavor. A gentle sweetness balances the alcohol bite in the finish. Interesting and enjoyable.

This is a medium bodied and creamy smooth beer in the mouth. A touch of alcohol resonates pleasantly in the taste.

This is a solid dopplebock that is fun to drink. It's a nice spring or fall beer.

Photo of nomad
3.82/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

In a big Spaten tumbler at Ludwig's Garten, this doppel has a deep brown-ish burgundy color that is clear, shiny, and true. Plenty of fine carbonation streaming to keep up a thin head.

Fruity with an interesting tone, this beer smells licorice-like from a dark, deep, and almost musty shade. Shows notes of complex grapes and noble hops. Opens to a deep, big, burly sense of roasty meat-like malt. Soft and lager in impact, but a big bear of a character.

Taste is meaty as all heck from a thick and dark roast, yet balanced by flavors of Cabernet grapes and snappy, underripe figs. The murk of deep flavors doesn't change much as it warms, merely showing more of a green hop finish. Fairly smooth but a little thin of a mouthfeel, which is surprising given how meaty it tastes.

A good doppelbock and tastes even better because its pretty cheap for an import. Impressive depth given such a low price. Much prefer this on draught than in a bottle, as the latter doesn't seem as deep and meaty, instead coming across with too much underripe fruit flavors.

Photo of RedDiamond
3/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Light chocolate malt aroma with a few off notes. Soft carbonation forming a scant head with no lace. Clear, tarnished bronze color. No sediment in the bottle. No expiration date.

The taste is thin though pleasing with hints at spice complexities that are never fully revealed. In fact, the flavor really doesn't go far, making ordinariness the most notable feature of this "malt liquor". The bitterness is mildly unpleasant, the finish is abrupt, and the mouthfeel somewhat dull.

Photo of goindownsouth
3.97/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is really an area of German Biers that I have not gotten into much just yet. But I will be visiting it again soon. This malty and rather herbacious brew was a real winner. The roasted goodness stayed in the nose, and lasted through to the last sip. This is a solid Bier.

Prosit!

Photo of Billolick
4.07/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle, no freshness dating.A classic that pours dark and ruby, best described as a cola color. The first thing that struck me that is this is a full flavored brew and that its strong alcoholwise. Malt dominates. Toffee, chocolate, licorish. Not much bittering going on here. In general, rich, strong and smooth stuff. A nice example of a dark German lager.

Photo of ChrisBowers
4.42/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Excellent example of the style... Nose is of chocolate, toffee and caramel. Sweet malty richness with the first sip, and a satisfying mouthfeel. Alcohol is quite warming. Some fruity esters present here. Lots of rich chocolate undertones and a well balanced finish. Excellent brew.

Photo of PatandDavid
4.3/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had on tap at Jacob Wirth yesterday. Very dark amber when served, it's nice head dissipated quickly. The aroma was sweet, almost cloying of the traditional malt. The taste was also sweet and malty, with the high alcohol content just able to be detected. It is actually rather easy to drink, thus the high mark for drinkability. Good stuff, nice to see available on tap here in Boston.

Photo of genaro
4.27/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Spaten Optimator was a transluscent brown/copper color. The head was small and short lived.The aroma was sweet with elements of caramel, chocolate, and alcohol. The taste was composed of toasted chocolate with caramel and molasses. Hops were not major players in the blend. The finish was semi-sweet and slightly dry and bitter. Over all it was thick with an oiliness that was carried over into the finish. A very tasty and enjoyable beer.

Photo of arizcards
3.85/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark brown color that poured a nice little head. Smells of sweet malts. Taste was a sweet malt beginning, almost creamy, finishing with a slightly bitter finish. Nice full mouthfeel to this brew. This is a very drinkable brew, very nice compared to most European beers I have had.

Photo of merlin48
4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Another fine Bavarian brew in what has become my favorite style. This one pours a beautiful mahogany brown, with garnet highlights when held to the light. Beige head doesn't last long before fading into some minimal ring lacing and film. Aroma is Munich malts, big, creamy, and sweet. Caramel and toffee dominate the nose, while dates and figs dance in the background. A soft note of bittering noble hops is barely noticed. Mouthfeel is rich and creamy, with ample carbonation. Taste is similar to the nose. Lots of swwet maltiness here. Caramel and toffee run the show. Hops appear just in time to lend a delightful balance. Alcohol is well concealed. These Bavarian Doppelbocks are really worldclass, in my humble opinion. This one ranks right up there with Celebrator and Salvator, in terms of fine German doppelbocks. Highly recommended!

Photo of rkhaze
4.13/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a beautiful mahogany color with a thick dense beige head. Sweet roasted malt in the smell with chocolate, caramel and some spice.
Sweet flavors of roasted malt, chocolate, caramel and some red fruit. Finishes spicy with a minimal hop presence.
Light to medium bodied with a rich, sticky mouthfeel and good carbonation. Great drinkability.

Photo of theozag
3.04/5  rDev -21.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Optimator pours a deep amber brown with a head that takes on a shade of light-colored sand as it forms. It's smell was an interesting twist of bittersweet chocolate and sweetened tea. I suppose that sounds a little ridiculous, but it was quite appetizing. This beer starts gritty with a caramel bent, then turns bitter and nutty (walnut, maybe) as it rests on your tongue. It is a full-bodied brew with a finish that reminded me of cough syrup (not exactly as pleasant as the smell suggested). Luckily, Optimator's aftertaste faded quickly from a strong beginning, and the last hint on your tongue leaves a dry feeling that gives you no choice but to consume your whole bottle.

Photo of WesWes
3.36/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

The beer pours a dark amber color with a thick frothy head. The aroma is decent. It has a pale scent with the addition of some crystal malts. The taste is good. It has a nice malty flavor to go with the pale malts and yeast. The mouthfeel is fine. It is a medium bodied beer with adequate carbonation. It drinks well. This is a very enjoyable doppellbock.

Photo of jlervine
4.23/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a deep dark brown with ruby highlights. Fine carbonation bubbles upwards towards a tremendous tan head that sticks around for quite some time. the malt scents drift upwards, kind of nutty and molasses-thick. Slight herbal hops thrown in as well. The tastes is smooth and rich. Chocolate hints, toasted nuts, miles of residual malt sweetness. This beer beats up your tongue with it's heavyweight malt profile, but is simply heaven to sip. Very tasty.

Photo of Zorro
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Subdued head pours a very dark clear brown.

Smells good, Heavy molasses and grain smell.

Heavy flavors, chocolate and molasses, malt, raisins.
It is a bit sweet and bitter, but it balances out.

Mouthfeel is good.

It is drinkable, one of my standard beers when I want something heavy.

Photo of BeefyMee
3.94/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I poured this and was surprised to find out that the bottle is actually green. The beer has a wonderful reddish hue when held up to light. The smell was a disappointment, as it was hardly even there. I only got a whiff of a little alcohol, malt, and a faint lager-like aroma. The taste, however, makes up for this. I'm a sucker for malt and this one has it in spades, like I was hoping it would. A little more complexity would have driven this beer into the upper echelon of great tasting brews, but I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless. Some alcohol is present in the flavor, and a butteriness dominates the aftertaste. The hops come through ever so slightly in the aftertaste as well.

Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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