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Spaten Optimator - Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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2,493 Ratings
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Ratings: 2,493
Reviews: 1,261
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 12.34%
Wants: 62
Gots: 139 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  7.60% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999)
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Photo of Halcyondays


3.9/5  rDev +0.3%

16.9 oz. bottle, with regal label, says Since 1397,

A: Pours a medium shade of brown, with an initial tan, cola-coloured head, which quickly degrades into a thin film.

S: Smells of lots of caramel malt, fragrant, but kind of one-dimensional.

T: Malt city, full of sweet caramel malt, with a bit of a metallic tinge, which I always found to be a bit off-putting, but interesting, though it is a minor fault with this beer. The hops are there, but the malt steals the show.

M: Smooth, thick and heavy, quite robust.

D: A good dopplebock, for me not up there with Salvator and Celebrator, but a very good example of the style. A great beer and style for spring and the cooler months.

08-18-2007 00:14:58 | More by Halcyondays
Photo of BlackHaddock

United Kingdom (England)

4.35/5  rDev +11.8%

7 Feb in my room at The Fishermans Wharf Sheraton in San Fransisco, picked from some all night store round the corner. This beer is wonderful, even out of a plastic beaker!

Deep brown body with a creamy biege head.

The nose is malty sweet: roasted/toasted caramel, red berries, toffee and trees.

The taste is a lovely sweet malty molasses mix: too sweet for some maybe, but not for me, I loved it.

The body is rich and full, the alcohol just about noticeable within the flavours.

A true classic.

03-17-2013 10:41:52 | More by BlackHaddock
Photo of MarkyMOD


5/5  rDev +28.5%

04-05-2012 07:15:25 | More by MarkyMOD
Photo of Gavage

New Jersey

4.13/5  rDev +6.2%

This was my first experience of this on tap. It poured a lovely dark brown / burgandy color with a very thin head. The aroma was nice, but I expected some more sweetness and roasted malt in the nose. I expected a thick malty beer, and that's exactly what I got. The malt lingered long on the tongue and the sweetness was not overpowering. The drinkabilty of this good, as I could have easily had more than one in a session. This would be a great to drink on a cold winter night, as the alcohol definitely warms the insides.

09-19-2003 19:46:22 | More by Gavage
Photo of kojevergas


3.15/5  rDev -19%

12 fl oz green glass (really!?) bottle with standard pressure cap served into a Uinta brewing pilsner glass in me gaff in low altitude Los Feliz, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are fairly high; I usually dislike the style but I love this brewery.

Served straight from the refrigerator. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a one finger khaki colour head of nice cream and thickness, and decent retention. Colour is a nontransparent non-opaque dark brown. No yeast particles are visible. No bubble show.

Sm: Pleasantly nutty, with very bocky dark and biscuit malts. Some cream comes through. No real obvious hop aroma. An average strength aroma.

T: Pleasantly malty, with subtle nut notes. It's rich and layered, but lacks true subtlety or complexity. Some nice caramelization on the finish. No yeast or alcohol comes through. Hop character is very mild; background floral hopping adds depth but doesn't really contribute to the flavour profile. It's got a nice full body; it's quite filling. I could subsist on this if I were a badass German beer monk. That said, there's just nothing impressive or unique about it.

Mf: Smooth, full, wet, a bit creamy on the finish, and moderate on the palate. It has presence, but there's little to intrigue. Suits the flavours well, but it still comes off as boring. Dry on the finish; it shouldn't be.

Dr: Drinkable and enjoyable for the style. Definitely one of the better ones I've had. It's quite filling - and I'm sure I could use this for sustenance on a fast - but it's not fantastic. This brewery has better beers. Well priced. Hides its ABV well. Very well done for the style, but still underwhelming all around. I wouldn't get it again, but fans of the style should definitely give it a spin.


10-24-2012 05:39:52 | More by kojevergas
Photo of oriolesfan4


2.93/5  rDev -24.7%

Bought a single of this for about $1.50.

I've had a few doppelbocks in the past and didn't like them at all so I tried this main stream one... and my verdict is... I don't like doppelbocks. While this is the best of the ones I've had, I still don't enjoy them. A total lack of aroma except for a harsh alcohol smell and the taste is lackluster as well. Malty with more biting alcohol... just not what I want in a beer. At least this doppelbock I can finish unlike the others I tried.

10-22-2008 21:06:55 | More by oriolesfan4
Photo of weeare138


4.3/5  rDev +10.5%

Appears a dark reddish brown with a 1 finger tan cap that slowly fades. Tiny spotty lacing have a bit of a hard time sticking.
Smell is super malty, nutty, caramel, molasses, and sourdough.
Tate is equal to the aromas and measures up nicely.
Mouthfeel is sweet, with dark fruit and mild sourness balancing out this malty mix. Very smooth.

10-02-2005 14:59:14 | More by weeare138
Photo of yourefragile

District of Columbia

3.25/5  rDev -16.5%

12 oz green bottle poured into a pilsner glass

A: A dark, clear brown liquid with a off white head that rather rapidly dissipates and leaves a nice trail of stringy lacing.
S: Nothing remarkable to me. Some malt, but theres a slightly sour, alcohol smell that really detracts from anything pleasant.
T: Malt body and aftertaste dominates this, but like the smell, there is something not quite agreeing with me. There is a slight hop bitterness which is ok to balance the malt, but still a slight sourness. Alcohol also rides in on the aftertaste and that might be throwing off my perception of everything else here since it is unpleasant.
M: Medium body with medium to high carbonation. Aftertaste isn't pleasant, following the lead of the body, but still not all together bad.
D: I've tried this a few times now and this just doesn't seem to agree with me. There's nothing bad here, I just don't enjoy this guy. Generally has a nice flavor, but a little too high in alcohol for me to want to drink this regularly for this style.

02-08-2008 21:48:09 | More by yourefragile
Photo of InspectorBob

New Jersey

4/5  rDev +2.8%

05-23-2013 15:11:22 | More by InspectorBob
Photo of tempest


3.88/5  rDev -0.3%

Pours a tall head that quickly disapates and sadly leaves no lace. However, it the body its a beautiful darker than dark amber that lets little light through.

The smell is a bit weak, but its a classic strong bock smell. A little bit roasted, and a little whatever "bock" is.

Very smooth and mellow for a doppelbock or really anything at 7.2% abv. Its actually so smooth that it reminds me more of a normal bock. I'd expect at least a little kick from a doppel, like an Ayinger doppel. It's a rich taste that finishes with a bitter note and a slight, but pleasant aftertaste.

Feels great in your mouth, nothing extraordinary, it just does what it supposed to here.

Great drinkability. Goes down easy for a high content beer and tastes good at the same time.

While not an amazing beer, $8 a sixer is very hard to beat if your looking to get buzzed or even blotto off of real beer. For a doppel it could use a tad more punch, but its still a solid beer. Recommend to anyone who likes bocks and likes to feel the effects of alcohol. Cant say I dont.

09-23-2005 05:54:55 | More by tempest
Photo of barleywinefiend


3.55/5  rDev -8.7%

Poured a deep amber color with good carbonation and nice white head. Nose is faint, Munich malts, grainy unimpressive. Taste is much better than nose leads you to believe. Nice heavy, chewy, malty and tastes of Munich and maybe Crystal malts. Caramel, brown sugar maybe, syrup, dried prunes, figs, and raisins perhaps. Mouthfeel is coating and good.

05-10-2009 01:14:03 | More by barleywinefiend
Photo of Billolick

New York

4.1/5  rDev +5.4%

12 oz bottle, no freshness dating.A classic that pours dark and ruby, best described as a cola color. The first thing that struck me that is this is a full flavored brew and that its strong alcoholwise. Malt dominates. Toffee, chocolate, licorish. Not much bittering going on here. In general, rich, strong and smooth stuff. A nice example of a dark German lager.

03-13-2004 11:36:02 | More by Billolick
Photo of Georgiabeer


3.88/5  rDev -0.3%

Hadn't had one of these for a while and so picked up a sixpack. My mother-in-law was coming to town and she likes malty, dark, German brews, so I figured this was perfect- fits the bill without being too challenging. She had a couple before I realized that these were 7.2%! They certainly don't taste that strong and it had been years since I had any. Pours a very dark chestnut, not quite opaque and with very little head. Nice estery and malty nose with some light spiciness, malt, warming alcohol, and thin caramel. For me, what comes through mostly in the taste is the thin caramel rather than a rich maltiness. I like my Dopplebocks a little maltier tasting than this, but it does have a fairly elegant profile. Relatively thin in the mouth, but very smooth and way too easy to drink. I'd prefer a Celebrator if I'm having it alone, but this does pair very nicely with food with its smooth maltiness.

10-26-2008 17:59:53 | More by Georgiabeer
Photo of dbrauneis

North Carolina

3.98/5  rDev +2.3%

A: Pours an opaque yet clear very dark reddish brown in color with light amounts of active visible carbonation and amber + garnet red highlights. The beer has a two finger tall dense foamy tan head that reduces to a thick film covering the entire surface of the beer and a thick ring at the edges of the glass. Light amounts of lacing are observed.

S: Moderate to strong aromas of dark malts, brown bread, and some light notes of dark fruits (raisins). Lightly sweet.

T: Upfront there is a moderate to strong flavor of dark malts and brown bread. That is combined with a moderate amount of dark fruit (raisin) sweetness. Light amounts of yeasty flavors in the finish. Minimal amounts of bitterness which fades almost instantly.

M: Just shy of full bodied with moderate amounts of carbonation.

O: Alcohol is pretty well hidden in this beer but you can almost subtly taste it as the beer warms up. Enjoyable but rich enough in flavor and aroma tat I would likely not be able to have more than one of these in a session. Overall, this beer drinks like a meal - filling.

06-10-2014 01:38:03 | More by dbrauneis
Photo of rhoadsrage


4.2/5  rDev +8%

(Served in an American pint glass)

A- This beer pours a dark brown body with a nice thick tan head that last and last. The lighting and opacity of the body didn't show the carbonation.

S- The aroma of crisp dry caramel malt with crystal malt and a hint of biscuit as it warmed gave a nice complex aroma.

T- This beer has a nice dark malty flavor with good depth. There is a nice soft noble hop finish that enhances the malt flavors. No real note of alcohol in the finish, which was pretty clean with a slight malt note hanging on with the hops. There was some nice dry biscuit notes as it warmed.

M- This beer has a medium-full mouthfeel with no real astringency or alcohol heat.

D- This is a good malty lager that has nice complexity and really accents the depth of malt with some nice hops to keep them in check.

02-19-2006 18:23:01 | More by rhoadsrage
Photo of Zorro


4/5  rDev +2.8%

Subdued head pours a very dark clear brown.

Smells good, Heavy molasses and grain smell.

Heavy flavors, chocolate and molasses, malt, raisins.
It is a bit sweet and bitter, but it balances out.

Mouthfeel is good.

It is drinkable, one of my standard beers when I want something heavy.

01-08-2004 03:31:08 | More by Zorro
Photo of DoubleJ


4.08/5  rDev +4.9%

From the Eisbock of last night to the Doppelbock of tonight, on to the beer:

From its 500 ml bottle into a glass, it's a light bronze color. Smells of sweet bread (what'd ya expect?) and a subtle hop aroma rise from the beer. the taste of it is a little more polished for the style, no flavors will overpower you, but plenty of it to enjoy. Malty, with a hint of caramel, finishing off a tropical fruit flavor from the alcohol. Pretty easy to drink considering the style and ABV, as I enjoyed this offering from one of Munich's famous breweries.

04-05-2007 06:44:09 | More by DoubleJ
Photo of mothman

United Kingdom (Wales)

3.69/5  rDev -5.1%

Pours a light tan head. Good retention. Color is a dark copper brown.

Flavor profile: A lot of caramel malts. Raisins, plums, molasses, toffee, and some bready flavors. Dark fruits and malts. Sweet.

Mouthfeel: Smooth and creamy. Medium to full bodied. Ends a bit sticky.

Overall, a nice doppelbock, but it seems to have a slight skunky flavor to it. It might be the green bottle playing tricks on my mind. Pretty solid offering.

12-10-2013 01:57:12 | More by mothman
Photo of BARFLYB


3/5  rDev -22.9%

On Tap

Spaten Optimaor is a dark ruby red that has brown blotches. Not much as even a cap even off of the tap, just some faint squigglies. Smells is dark fruit, plum, pear, roast, big malts, caramel and toffee. The taste is the same but maybe not in the above order. It's very sweet and caramel/tofee rich, too much for my liking. The feel is syrupy and above medium and it reminded me of fresh Mad Elf from the tap. Sweet and a bit cloying. Drinkability was low.

01-29-2010 06:22:01 | More by BARFLYB
Photo of Wasatch


4.5/5  rDev +15.7%

Pours a nice dark brown with a huge head which slowly dissipates. Leaves some nice lacing. Scents are of sweet coffee/malt. There's a nice sweet taste with a medium body. This is not a Celebrator, but true to the Doppelbock style. Still it is very drinkable and many can be had, a nice session brew.

08-05-2005 00:30:13 | More by Wasatch
Photo of ejimhof


3.5/5  rDev -10%

05-15-2012 23:37:45 | More by ejimhof
Photo of ppoitras


4/5  rDev +2.8%

Enjoyed on tap from the Hofbrauhaus, in the Food Court at The Big E, West Springfield, MA.

Clear plastic pint cup presentation. Pleasing 1/2" beige head over the deeply reddish brown brew. Aroma is deeply of grain, with a slight alcohol presence notable. Taste is dominated by malts, and a nice warming feelign as it goes down. Mouthfeel and drinkability are both good. An excellent brew.

10-02-2004 13:12:06 | More by ppoitras
Photo of superspak


4.1/5  rDev +5.4%

12 ounce bottle into tulip glass, bottled on 5/9/2012. Pours fairly crystal clear dark reddish brown color with a nice 2 finger dense light khaki head with great retention, that reduces to a nice cap that lingers. Spotty soapy lacing clings on the glass, with moderate streaming carbonation retaining the head. Aromas of caramel, raisin, apple, molasses, toffee, toast, brown bread, floral, brown sugar, light roasted malt, and earthiness. Damn nice aromas with great balance and complexity of malt and fruity esters. Taste of caramel, raisin, apple, molasses, toffee, brown bread, toast, brown sugar, light floral, light roasted malt, and earthiness. Lingering notes of caramel, light fruits, molasses, toffee, brown bread, toast, and light roast on the finish for a good bit. Very nice balance and complexity of malt and fruity ester flavors; with nice robustness and zero cloying sweetness present after the finish. Medium carbonation and medium-full bodied; with a moderately slick and creamy mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is very well hidden with almost zero warming noticed after the finish. Overall this is an excellent doppelbock. Very nice balance, robustness, and complexity of malt flavors; and very smooth to drink. A very enjoyable offering.

04-10-2013 05:15:20 | More by superspak
Photo of afsdan


4/5  rDev +2.8%

03-22-2014 22:27:44 | More by afsdan
Photo of BillRoth


3.75/5  rDev -3.6%

11-29-2013 18:43:06 | More by BillRoth
Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
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