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Black Damnation III - Black Mes - De Struise Brouwers

Black Damnation III - Black MesBlack Damnation III - Black Mes

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Ratings: 187
Reviews: 103
rAvg: 4.17
pDev: 11.99%

Brewed by:
De Struise Brouwers visit their website

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Stout |  13.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
Black Damnation III is yet another variation on Black Albert. 100% of Black Albert was used that matured for a while on Caol Ila barrels

(Beer added by: alcstradamus on 03-14-2010)
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Photo of StonedTrippin


4.29/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

on tap at falling rock, i dont know how those guys get beer like this, but they do, and i ma grateful. this is dark as coal, just a hint of brown to the black, nice and viscous too, with a dark brown head on it. the nose is amazing, dense russian imperial stout here. that bitter black barley malt base and a syrupy thickness that has oak notes to it, and some peat, like a smokey single malt. the flavor shows everything the nose does, with strong hints of leaf tobacco, licorice, and belgian and bakers chocolates. dark and bitter, with some sweetness on the finish probably from the barrel, which really impacts this beer. not much carbonation, but its so thick and dense i dont wish the feel was any different, i like its thickness and palate coating ability. its strong and filling, but how much of this would someone really drink in one sitting anyway? nice as it warms up, complex and enormous, on par with some of the big mikkeller stouts and others. love the scotch influence on it, and now i am super keen to try other variants. rock star quality.

Serving type: on-tap

04-23-2014 16:04:54 | More by StonedTrippin
Photo of clayrock81


4.14/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured motor oil black as some say with a good dark tan head that left lace down the glass. The aroma struck me as a mix of port wine and bourbon as it's boozy and there's wood and vanilla as well as touches of cherry from somewhere. The beer is thick, chewy, bready, all characteristics associated with "heavy" beers, it's even a little sticky, but it goes down real easy and there's a coffee edge to it that mixes well with some sweet malts like toffee and chocolate (and vanilla) and I swear a hint of molasses.

Serving type: on-tap

02-24-2014 23:06:54 | More by clayrock81
Photo of BEERchitect


4.28/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Incredible power, grace and aritistry is performed on such a dark and ominous base- the Black Damnation recipe is just that- black and damning. Its sophisticated scotch influence plays upon a dry and roasted character in a balance that's unrivaled.

You don't so much as pour the beer, the tap opens and the ale simply crawls out on its own. As it settles cozily in the snifter, it releases an arid mocha-stained head that looks quite light on top of its inky-black body. Its opaque appearance gives the ale a onyx-like sheen. While the ale's foam character eventually succumbs to the beer's alcohol, the beer quickly prefers brandy-like legging and oily coat to more beer-like foam offerings.

Aromas are heavily charred. Burnt molasses and charcoal all weave into highly robust and powerfully carbonized scent. Complementing burnt toast, espresso, walnuts and cocoa are all of the darker and deviant attitude as the barrel character silently builds. What is first sweet booze of caramel, vanilla and butterscotch soon develops into a full-blown earthy, smoky sweet bit that can only be captured by heavily peated whisky.

To taste, its exemplary roast character is front and center. Approaching ash from time to time, its heavy campfire taste is slightly of mesquite but more of the cocoa powder, toast char, burnt toffee and scorched coffee is a damaging to the palate as it is rewarding. Without a more malty-rich body- all that burnt sweetness turns dry and relies on the sweet whisky and barrel flavors to show some semblance of balance in its finish. That's where the thin caramel, honey, vanillin and butterscotch character from scotch whisky comes forth with its peppery bite and spicy, smoky earthiness. It finishes like burnt dirt!

What should be full in body seems so much lighter because of the beer's charred textures that plague the mouthfeel early and often. The ale simply can't avoid its ashy texture as its powdery feel pangs away at the tongue and palate and prevents a proper balance from its roast-derived acidity, barrel-astringency and its alcohol heat. Yet, the ale's dry sweetness remains alluring.

All in all, Black Mes' balance and procession of char and whisky is sublime. But its sheer burnt character limits its drinkability and its enjoyment. But built on unimaginable complexity, high scores are a must.

Serving type: on-tap

01-28-2014 18:58:00 | More by BEERchitect
Photo of KYGunner


4.26/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

This poured with a bright iridescent black onyx and a deep opaque fullness. The head was tight and thick with a thin layer of bubbly foam.

The aroma was sweet with alcohol, presumably the scotch barrel. There was a smoky char scent with coffee, molasses and faint dry chocolate.

The taste is sweet with scotch like alcohols, strong smoky embers, charred or burnt coffee, molasses and bitter chocolate.

The feel is rather thin for such a complex beer but it seems to work for a beer with scotch qualities. It's almost like the feel took on the properties of the scotch.

This is a real treat as it has such complex flavor and character but remains drinkable despite the 13 pct ABV.

Serving type: on-tap

01-27-2014 02:07:16 | More by KYGunner
Photo of julian89


4.68/5  rDev +12.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

From tap to tulip glass at Brick Store pub.

Appearance: A glorious dark brown to almost black with a coffee colored 1 inch head with great retention and minimal lacing.

Smell: A fantastic scotch ale smell that is quite chocolaty. Sweet brown caramelized sugar smell. It has an earthly base smell to it.

Taste: Oh wow, it’s quite complex and smooth. The chocolate and sweet roasted malts make it an earthy brew. The scotch base helps with the smoothness, but somehow the high ABV is masked quite well.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied, full rich feel. Excellent carbonation.

Drinkability: An excellent brew, I was waiting all week for this one at Brick Store.

Serving type: on-tap

07-02-2012 15:56:33 | More by julian89
Photo of Rifugium


3/5  rDev -28.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

First had: on tap at Farmers Cabinet, Philly, PA

Hmm. Looked fine enough: opaque black with a large, creamy, tan head that retained well and left some soapy lacing on the glass. Aroma was strangely faint, with distant scents of smokey malts and booze. Taste was unusually light, flavors of roasty malts, grainy alcohol, an underlying caramel sweetness, and an almost rubbery character like I was drinking out of a water balloon. Kind of lacking in the flavor department. Mouthfeel was a bit thin as well, almost watered down. Not too impressed by this one at all.

Serving type: on-tap

04-03-2012 19:16:47 | More by Rifugium
Photo of s1ckboy


3.95/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Black, tiny amount of bubbles around edges.

S - Bready, a bit of booze from the barrels, dark fruits.

T - Initially bitter at frist, bready, green grapes, dark fruits, roasty, a bit of booze from he barrels in the middle, very sweet finish.

M - Thicker side of medium, small amount of carbonation

O - It's alright. Reminds me a lot of their quads.

Serving type: on-tap

12-04-2011 18:59:29 | More by s1ckboy
Photo of drseamus

New York

4.35/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Served on tap at Ebenezers

A: Completely black body with a dark brown head.

S: Very tight nose. There is a touch of smoke but this is a sleeper of a beer.

T: Super rich stout up front with heavy roast. Thick malt immediately after the stout and the smokiness comes in from the scotch. Finishes with a dry roasted malt. A great taste from start to finish.

M: It coats the entire mouth. Very think, almost syrupy. Definitely super thick bodied.

D: I couldn't drink more than 5 pints of this on an 80 degree day. The smoke is perfectly balanced with the beer.

Serving type: on-tap

09-07-2011 21:32:09 | More by drseamus
Photo of tmoneyba


4.5/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured a black color with an average frothy brown head that lasted with excellent lacing. Moderate to heavy toasted chocolate and alcohol aroma. Medium to heavy bittersweet woody malt flavor with a medium to heavy bittersweet and small alcohol bite finish of moderate to long duration. Medium to full body with a smooth texture and flat carbonation. This is a standout beer.

Serving type: on-tap

07-12-2011 00:06:44 | More by tmoneyba
Photo of Neffbeer


4.22/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at rattle n hum.

A: It pours the color of midnight oil with a wisp of a tan head. There is evidence of some brown hues in the light. No retention and no lacing.

S: The nose is an on slaught of smoky wood, whiskey, and a heavy dose of charred malt. As I keep smelling it the peaty nature is really pronounced. There are also notes of anise and dark chocolate.

T: It is full of scotch whisky goodness, peaty and woody as hell. There is a pleasant apple flavor that creeps in behind the barrel and manages to soften the blow. Anise and chocolate are not forgotten on the palate as it finishes bitter and surprisingly dry.

M: full bodied with minimal carbonation. It is really slick and viscous.

O: Extremely impressive, I wish I could get my hands on this on a regular basis.

Serving type: on-tap

06-07-2011 20:30:14 | More by Neffbeer
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4.15/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

i would not have expected it to be anyway near this high an abv... i'm not sure if it was because it was on tap or it this is secretly this smooth. it felt like it was in ballpark of about 9-10abv. Although very evident malting. sticky to the touch. pour is as it should be with a nose most immediately of peat and forest berries... the forest berries dissipate rather quickly to be replaced with a peat malt and coffee malt. this is the predominant quality the beer. palate wise it was a toasty sweet peat coffee with an amarillo, centennial aromatic end. hints of walnut tannins in the finish. easy to drink but a conversation piece... more so in the fact that you can drink it for an hour and the consistent coffee/peat quality doesn't dissipate. and that you can tell your friends... can you believe it? its 13abv.

Serving type: on-tap

05-14-2011 04:15:02 | More by rtepiak
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Rhode Island

4.05/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

On-tap 4/16/2011 at Armsby Abbey in Worcester served in an over-sized wine glass.

A: The beer is a deep dark black color, short light brown head that fades slowly and leaves a thick lace on the glass.

S: The aroma contains roasted dark malts, licorice and dark fruit.

T: The taste starts out with a rich roasted malt character and flavors of dark chocolate and dark fruit. There are some flavors of smoke and licorice in the background. The hops presence is very mild but creates some balance. The after-taste is slightly sweet.

M: Smooth and a little crisp, medium-to-heavy body, light-to-medium carbonation, finish is sticky.

O: Tasty, goes down dangerously easy, not too filling, very strong kick, good representation of style, decent big stout and better than the regular Black Albert but not as good as Black Damnation II.

Serving type: on-tap

04-25-2011 21:31:57 | More by TheManiacalOne
Photo of portia99


3.53/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Armsby Abbey at Stoutfest 2011. 6oz pour in a stemmed glass - sampled side x side x side with Black Damnation 2 and 4.

A - Pours a deep, dark black with a low tan head that is just off-white.

S - Whiskey, salt/sea water, smokey, peaty, boozy.

T - Not much (surprised!), flavors are low and not that distinct. I do pick up boozy/whiskey flavors, smoked and peaty malt and some hop bitterness. Smoke is a bit over the top.

M - Low to medium carbonation with a medium thick body. Very smokey - the defining aspect of this beer.

O - OK...not crazy about the smokey aspects. A bit overdone for my tastes and definitely different from most stouts - very definite Scottish Highlands aspect here...not sure it works though - at least for me.

Serving type: on-tap

04-20-2011 00:26:49 | More by portia99
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3.9/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Had on tap at Armsby Abbey Stoutfest.

Pours essentially pitch black color, a lighter darker creamy head.

Nose has smoky cheese, tons of peat smoke, bit harsh.

Taste is chewy, dry, little booze, bitter earthy malts and hops, lingering bitterness, light oats, spicy, light oak and vanilla, some roast and black patent malt.

Mouth is med to slightly heavier body, decent carbonation.

Overall pretty good, nice malt flavors, a bit overkill on the smoke though, not much booze.

Serving type: on-tap

04-17-2011 00:52:15 | More by jlindros
Photo of Cmack15


4.35/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I was fortunate enough to have this on tap at The Kulminator and felt very lucky to have the beer served this way. Thick chewy inky black stout. Coffee notes with a hint of chocolate just draw you into this beer. Like all of De Struise's beers I instantly fell in love with it. Alcohol is well hidden and this is a nice stout to unwind with.

Serving type: on-tap

03-18-2011 21:08:12 | More by Cmack15
Photo of xnicknj


4.38/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

on tap at monks in philly

Pours a completely ink black, a coffee head fades into rings of lacing with a softer layer of film.

Bittersweet dark chocolate with light licorice notes, dark fruit and a bit of sweetness in the nose.

Smooth, slick sweetness with dark fruit. Raisins, dates, and plums with some rich sweetness and a blast of coffee. Dark bittersweet chocolate with molasses and syrup. Finishes a bit warm and soft with dry hoppiness.

Full syrupy body, lower carbonation, sticky, soft, and dry. Drinks insanely well for the abv, not to mention the great flavor and feel.

Serving type: on-tap

02-26-2011 05:27:57 | More by xnicknj
Photo of DefenCorps


4.22/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at 72 Hours of Belgium yesterday

Looks like every other Black Albert variant out there - jet black with a dark brown head. The nose is surprisingly muted when compared to the bottle I had. Peaty, salty barrel character is present, with dark chocolate quite noticeable. Moderate tannins, this is quite roasty. The palate opens salty and peaty, the barrel really comes through and quite strongly, if I may add. Whelming the base beer, only the roast stands out on the mid-palate. Drying on the finish, this is enjoyable.

Serving type: on-tap

02-19-2011 14:43:59 | More by DefenCorps
Photo of oline73


4.03/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I had this on-tap at Max's Belgian Beer Festival.

Appearance: This one pours pitch black with a bit of tan head that goes away almost immediately.

Smell: Sweet coffee roast dominates along with some dark fruit notes. There is also a bit of dark chocolate and some whiskey as well.

Taste: This one is quite roasty with a lot of dark chocolate and coffee flavor coming through. There is some dark fruit in the sweet flavor as well. The finish is a bit alcoholic from the whiskey and a bit bitter from the roast.

Mouthfeel: This one is thick, but not motor oil thick or anything like that. The body is also quite smooth. There is some mild carbonation and a somewhat dry finish.

Drinkability: I think this beer is quite good. The only complaint I would have is some of the other flavors might have to fight a bit much to get through the alcohol. I would try it again if I ever have the chance.

Serving type: on-tap

02-19-2011 04:00:08 | More by oline73
Photo of akorsak


3.68/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On-tap at Max's. That's all one needs to know.

A: Repetitive? Yes. Deep and dark, nearly black as black can be. Another off-white head along for the ride. At least the old guy didn't knock this one over.

S: Roasted malts, offset by sweet whisky and peated notes. Coffee hangs around throughout, a nice pairing. A Scotch presence is a nice balance to the stout.

T: Roasted malts, coffee and burnt toast along for the ride. The whisky barrel gives a distinct flavor to the stout, calming down the dark flavors. In their place, peated malt, salty as a sea breeze, take over. The whisky isn't sweet, rather it lends gravitas to the stout.

M: The mouthfeel, mostly stout, has enough barrel to keep me happy. The sea salt and peat are a soothing presence against the coffee stout.

D: 13%? I'll share with ksak. Even a small glass is too much within this setting.

Serving type: on-tap

02-18-2011 22:08:30 | More by akorsak
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2.78/5  rDev -33.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

On-tap at The Trappist

A: The pour seems to live up to the name of the beer and looks black in the glass with a small mocha colored head.

S: There's quite a bit of smoke and peat on the nose with plenty of roast to go with it. I don't get too much in terms of chocolate or coffee. Maybe some vanilla, but certainly whiskey and booze are evident. There's some rubber in there too.

T: Things don't change much on the palate. Lots of smoke and peat along with a slight rubber flavor. Pretty roasty with the whiskey being strong. There's a really distinct soap flavor to the beer which I don't find very appealing.

M: The body is medium, nothing really special for an imperial stout, with a low, smooth carbonation.

D: Not as good as the other beers in the Black Damnation series, not by a long shot.

Serving type: on-tap

12-30-2010 19:21:09 | More by womencantsail
Photo of Arbitrator


1.55/5  rDev -62.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 1 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

On tap at The Trappist in Oakland. From memory a few hours ago. Sipped a bit out of t0rin0's glass.

A: Pours a pitch black body with dark mocha head. No retention.

S: Burnt rubber, stale coffee, charred oak, vanilla. It's not as harsh as the Mikkeller Black Hole, but the burning tire / electrical fire comparison was the first thing that came to mind. Unpleasant and off-putting. Some booze.

T: Same as the nose; it's not as much of a clashing, painful trainwreck as the Scotch Black Hole was, but the burning-tire peat contribution is hardly shy. Stale coffee shines through, as does smoke. With the oak it makes for a pretty charred effect in general. Immediate dislike.

M: Less smooth than the IV; it has a rubbery booze component that I don't care for. Otherwise fine.

D: Black Mess is aptly named. I honestly don't get why people think this beer is great. I thought it was awful. But then, I tend not to like peaty, burning-tire whiskeys, so maybe I was never the target market.

Serving type: on-tap

12-28-2010 08:25:52 | More by Arbitrator
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4.8/5  rDev +15.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

Valentine's Day gift from EM, bottle from Proof. Pours the blackest of blacks with creamy chocolate colored head that started at an inch, then settled into a very thick collar and a thin layer of foam across the surface. Good legs and light lacing. Aroma is very odd: smells earthy and funky, like a farmhouse style funk. I get some black raspberry and black currant. Taste is rich dark malt, light smoke, a touch of coffee with all of that dark fruit at the tail end and aftertaste. There's a faint briny flavor, maybe from the scotch, and some woodiness present as well. Silty and rich thick mouthfeel, full bodied and low-medium carbonation.

Serving type: bottle

04-13-2014 23:48:35 | More by mverity
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4.41/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Looks like it's time for another Black Damnation - in spite of the fact that I STILL haven't had any Black Albert to date. I'll eventually change that, but why bother when all these fun variants are hanging around? 12oz bottle purchased at Provisions, and poured into a tulip glass. Split with Todd, who apparently hates most Scotch whisky, but particularly hates peated ones such as Caol Ila. I don't mind them, though, so I was looking forward to this one.

Pours like most of your beers in this series - blackened as all hell, thick, and slightly syrupy, with a minimal head and gigantic alcohol legs with each swirl. This time around, the head in question is mahogany tinged, with some enormous, intimidating bubbles that rise to the top as it slowly recedes. Each swirl also pastes light dark residue against the glass's edges, which may mean that of all the regular ABV variants, this may be the most intense one yet that I've come across.

Smells rich and intense, but just like the others, never too sweet. Huge notes of dark chocolate, fudge, and coffee collide with dark fruits, ranging from prunes to raisins to blackcurrant, as well as a touch of molasses. The oak is definitely there, although it's not as predominant as I'd want it to be. It doesn't smell peated either, which is probably a good thing. It *does* however retain some herbal properties such as black tea, tobacco, and leather, and at the finish seems a bit "dusty" (my favorite oak aroma), topped with caramel, vanilla, and baking soda. This doesn't smell boozy at all, however, and it's fascinating just how complex and action-packed of an aroma as this one remains so simultaneously pleasant.

The flavor is equally approachable and pleasant, but don't kid yourself - this is a massive, massive beer. Huge notes of prunes, raisins, and figs meet strong, rich roasted notes of toffee filled dark chocolate, some coffee, and molasses. Light licorice, and maybe a bit of a burnt vanilla consistency, but it's otherwise ALL about the dark fruit and roasted malt components here with the unique oak profile this time around. And, how it is unique - still no noticeable peat or smoke, but rather a woody, lightly sweet oak finish that brings out more tobacco, leather, tamarind, cinnamon, as well as a toasted almond nuttiness at the finish. Continues a little bit more earthy and tannic (quite tobacco forward here), but the roasted notes remain the longest, in a manner that prepares you for the next sip. Carbonation is JUST right here, with enough gas to elevate the roasted flavors, and at the same time it's quite thick and hedonistic overall. Really delicious stuff - could be my favorite of the series so far.

It's really impressive how good Black Albert is as a base beer. You can throw it into any type of barrel or screw around with it in any way and it ends up producing a legion of world class imperial stouts. This one is great because of the hugely woody, earthy properties from the oak that accentuate the dark fruit and dark chocolate base that makes BA a pretty good beer (from what I can gather). Great stuff - a little pricey, but worth splitting with a friend over.

Serving type: bottle

03-06-2014 19:18:59 | More by magictacosinus
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United Kingdom (England)

3.93/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My night cap on 31st Jan 2014: a shared 0.75 litre bottle at the end of the Belgian Beer Board website bottle exchange.

Good beer to finish on.

Black, oily and flavoursome. My taste buds were shot by now and my notes are difficult to decipher in the cold light of day. I liked it, that's for sure: don't really know why though!

Alcoholic, coffee and oaky in flavour and smell, according to my scribble, with a full, rich depth of body. That will have to do.

Serving type: bottle

02-24-2014 09:10:49 | More by BlackHaddock
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2.51/5  rDev -39.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 2.25

Bottle from the local shop out of nowhere. Popped this one with Beastmaster. A huge gusher from the start. Finally stopped and poured into mini snifters. Pitch black pour with a small dark brown head and no light showing through. Aroma is a combination of sour cherries, roasty chocolate, green apple, peat and scotch whiskey. Yeah, pretty sure it’s not supposed to be like this. Flavor follows with a good amount of peat and roasty chocolate, alongside some sour black cherry and sour apple flavors. Mouthfeel is bold and thick with low carbonation. This is really disappointing. Bottle was a hefty price to begin with at $43, but now that is a travesty. Afraid to pop my Damnation II now. Still drinkable I guess but not a big rich BA stout like one would expect.

Serving type: bottle

01-26-2014 04:06:43 | More by BMMillsy
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Black Damnation III - Black Mes from De Struise Brouwers
93 out of 100 based on 187 ratings.