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BrewDog Paradox Grain (Batch 013) - Port Dundas 1966 - BrewDog

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very good

65 Reviews
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Reviews: 65
Hads: 105
rAvg: 3.92
pDev: 7.91%
Wants: 4
Gots: 11 | FT: 0
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United Kingdom (Scotland)

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Stout |  10.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: brewdlyhooked13 on 11-10-2008

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Port Dundas 1966 barrels
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Reviews: 65 | Hads: 105
Photo of nickthetick
4.03/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: pure black into my trusted Duvel tulip with a few light tan bubbles.
S: GOOD GOD! This smells like my first shot of scotch all over again but with a little dark cocoa and some roasted malt. Frightening overall smell.

T: surprisingly smooth, not at all what the nose suggest. A oaky wood and vanilla flavor right up front. Some roasted malt sweetness and dark chocolate notes. Smokey in the back and I could notice the alcohol but its not overpowering.

MF: medium body, oily and a tad chewy. Flat as my middle school girlfriend (extremely) and warming in the mouth.

D: a nice beer when you can get over the smell, from what I've read in other reviews flat is not a "my bottle only" problem. The price cuts down on the drink ability also. (746 characters)

Photo of John_M
4.03/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked up a bottle for on site consumption at Highland Stillhouse pub the other day. Was curious to see what a "few" years in bottle has done for this beer.

The beer pours a blackish brown color with pretty decent head retention and lacing. Considering the age, carbonation seemed to be OK in this beer, which was a concern. The nose is the best feature at this point in the beer's life, as I pick up light vanilla, considerable peat, some coffee and light chocolate. On the palate, the flavor profile has softened considerably. I still picked up all the same characteristics I noticed in the nose, but there really is nothing like the intensity of flavor I was getting from Paradox beers back when they were first released. Mouthfeel is now very soft and creamy, and the finish was a bit short. Alcohol is still very well integrated into the flavor profile, and there was no heat on the finish.

This was a fun beer to try (prices were reasonable as well - I think Stillhouse prices are the same for this beer as they likely were 5 or 6 years ago), but on the other hand, it's pretty clear that the beer's best days are behind it. If I owned any more Paradox beers (which I don't), I would want to drink them up ASAP, as it seems fairly apparent they are not going to improve further with age (at least that was my impression, based on this beer). (1,349 characters)

Photo of Bung
4.02/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

11.2 oz. Surprised by the only moderately dark brown pour, minimal whispy cream colored head. Aroma has some roast, but nice vanilla, caramel and light oak tones. A bit lighter bodied than I would like also, but coats the mouth ok. Taste has a nice blend of caramel, vanilla and barrel. Chocolate is there, some roast malt, zero coffee. Just hints of coffee and barrel booze in the finish. Real nice balanced double stout, but for the 12 bucks I paid, not sure it was worth it. Just not quite enough of everything stout, but the barrel was nicely done. Will say it was pretty easy drinking for a big beer. (605 characters)

Photo of AgentZero
4.02/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to bosse for hooking me up with this.

A - Black colored, not much brown on the edges, doesn't look super viscous, but nice looking. Pretty much non-existant head, although a bit of a cap bubbled up after the pour.

S - Roasted malts, some bitter coffee, carmel smell. It smells nice, nothing groundbreaking, but solid. A bit of a ginsengy type smell, probably wood from the cask aging.

T - Mellow bourbon taste, some roasted/sweet malts, carmel, and great vanilla taste comes through on this. This is actually quite good.

M - Too thin, and needs a touch more carbonation.

D - Starts out tough to drink, but gets better as it gets warmer. This is a nice sipper. (672 characters)

Photo of ColForbinBC
4.02/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle, poured into a snifter
(consumed on 1/10/10, from notes)

Pours a dirty engine oil with very few brown bubbles that I can't even call a head.

Scotch heavy nose with oak, raisins, dark cherries, and a pleasant dose of vanilla.

A rich dark malt bill with a touch of smokiness, wood, and vanilla from the barrel. Cocoa powder, raisins and dark cherries round out the flavor profile with a sturdy dose of blackstrap molasses.

To say this is undercarbonated is a gross understatement. This guy is flat. So, with the best buy date of early Feb, I won't judge too hard. Otherwise, oily slick and medium bodied.

This is a big, bold beer with a ton of flavor. A sipper to be enjoyed over time. For me, carbonation issues aside, I found this to be enjoyable in doses. I needed to take my time to digest all that was going on. (832 characters)

Photo of Brad007
4.01/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a pitch-black color with no head at all into my glass. Hmm, perhaps that is attributed to how I poured it.

Aroma is thick and viscous with dark fruit and roasted coffee in the nose. A bit of alcohol shows in the nose. Reminds me of the homebrewed imperial stout I made (but in a good way!).

Taste is boozy upfront with dark fruit, roasted coffee and a bit of chocolate in the middle. A bit creamy as well upfront. Not as viscous as the aroma. Not overpowering either. A bit of oaky flavor is present as well but not much.

Mouthfeel is full of lingering dark fruit, roasted coffee and chocolate. A bit of creaminess lingers as well. Alcohol is still present but not as much as it was in the aroma.

Not bad. An interesting take on the style. It has a good mouthfeel and goes down well. There's enough mix of flavors associated with this style. Worth it to age this though as to reduce the presence of the alcohol. (922 characters)

Photo of wedgie9
4/5  rDev +2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Tasted from bottle at Lush Roscoe. Pours a nearly opaque dark brown with a tinge of amber and almost no head, just some lace around the edges. Nose is dark amber malt with some nuttiness and dried fruits. Raisin, prune, and fig are all present. There dark chocolate, coffee, vanilla and molasses on the nose. The flavors are very similar, starting off with the dried fruits and molasses, and moving to the sweet malt and vanilla, and finishing with the bitterness of coffee and dark chocolate. Then comes the oaky finish of vanilla and a hint of cinnamon. The body is heavy with low carbonation and a long oaked finish. This beer is excellently balanced and hides the alcohol content well. Funny, since it says the best by date was several months ago... (753 characters)

Photo of Resuin
3.98/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

Poured from an 11.2 oz bottle into a goblet. Batch 13. This was bottled on 02/02/08 which is a little over 5 years ago as of this review.

Appearance: Pours a very dark brown (just a shade lighter than black) and leaves no head whatsoever.

Smell: Sweet vanilla, oak and whiskey lead the way along with dark chocolate and malts.

Taste: Follows the nose, but the flavors are a bit subdued. Vanilla, oak, chocolate, malts, plums and figs. All are very balanced and surprisingly light. Alcohol is very well hidden.

Mouth-feel: Nearly completely flat which I'm not a huge fan of. Medium bodied and this one goes down really smooth.

Overall: This was an interesting stout. The lack of carbonation didn't help it though - the flavors were all great and so well balanced, but the lack of carbonation was very noticeable. Definitely still an enjoyable stout and the age has really mellowed this one out. (898 characters)

Photo of LiquidAmber
3.97/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Review from 9/2010 notes. Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours pitch black with a hint of dark tan head and little carbonation, surprisingly the tiny foam around the glass forms a slight lacing. Very faint aroma of dark malts and whiskey. Nice mouth feel. Very light taste of dark malts, chocolate, molasses and faint whiskey. Mellow dark malt and whiskey finish. Well balanced and integrated, maybe a bit too much so, there is little to get excited about. A smooth, pleasant, but rather subdued barrel aged stout. (517 characters)

Photo of FtownThrowDown
3.95/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle. Went in with a friend on this bottle. Just couldn't justify $12.99 for a 12oz bottle.

Pours a dark brown, nearly black in color. No head forms on the pour. Smell is some rich port, and some dark roasted malts. Even more of the rich port like qualities come through in the taste. Very balanced and well done.
This is just a bit thin to be qualified as an Imperial Stout. Not close to some of the more viscous, fuller bodied Imperial Stouts out there.
Decent beer, but definitely not worth the price of the bottle. I could get two 12oz bottles of Bourbon County and still have some money left over. (611 characters)

Photo of superspak
3.94/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

11.2 ounce bottle into snifter, best by 2/2/2010. Pours hazy very dark brown color with almost no head that recedes to a thin foam cap on the top. Hardly any hiss upon opening. Minimal lacing, small bubbles of carbonation on the glass. Aromas of big caramel, brown sugar, chocolate, roasted malt, vanilla, whiskey, raisin, oak, and light smoke. Damn nice aromas here with nice complexity and balance. Taste of big chocolate, caramel, vanilla, toffee, molasses, light whiskey, roasted malt, oak, toasted biscuit, clove, and light herbal spices. Light bitterness on the finish; with lingering notes of chocolate, vanilla, toffee, roasted malt, and molasses on the finish for a good bit. Great balance of flavors with nice complexity; and no cloying sweetness. Light-medium carbonation and medium-full bodied; with a very creamy and slick mouthfeel. Drinks very smoothly for 10%, with only a slight alcohol warming after the finish. Overall this is a damn nice barrel aged imperial stout! Very well blended flavors with nice complexity. This has aged very nicely indeed. (1,067 characters)

Photo of jpell33
3.92/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Good beer but my first from Brewdog, so probably had high expectation going into it.

Poured flat and had distinct flavors from the cask.

Very smooth and sweet taste. Whiskey from the barrel has a distinct impact on the flavor. Good start for me with Brewdog. Can't wait to try some of the other batches. (305 characters)

Photo of tpd975
3.9/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to Bosse for sending this one across the pond.

A: Pours a nice dark brownish black with a few bubbles that never really manage to make a head. No retention or lace.

S: Subtle aromas for a barrel aged beer. Hints of sweet molasses, vanilla, oak, and a touch of booze.

T: Nice caramel sweetness up front. Subtle chocolate malt and hints of peat. Fresh oak and subtle vanilla. A hint of bourbon beneath.

M: Not thin overall, but very thin for the style. Fairly still could use a touch of carbonation.

D: Fairly good. Despite being thin and subtle in flavor and aroma it does seem to meld together nicely. Overall it is a tasty beer that is more drinkable than the other Paradox beers I have had. (718 characters)

Photo of brdc
3.87/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Small capped bottle, poured into a snifter.
Bottle states best by 02/02/10, not sure when this was bottled.

Dark brown color, golden highlights, minimal short lasting dark tan head, no lacing. Quickly, the beer looks as flat as possible.
Aroma is pleasant but tame, whisky, vanilla, oak, faint roasted malts.
Thin on the palate, with minimal carbonation, which detracts from the overall taste and experience.
The taste itself is also tame, pleasant, but needs a bit more power; vanilla, whisky, some roasted malts.
This is a good beer, but somewhat disappointing particularly considering the absurdly high price ($12). (621 characters)

Photo of azdback
3.86/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a Sam Adams Lager glass. Light black color with dark caramel highlights. No carbonation bubbles or head at all. Kinda looks like Coca Cola. There is some stickiness hanging onto the glass from the alcohol, but no lace.

Smells like any well barrel aged stout should. Big notes of vanilla, and whiskey. There is some coffee, and cocoa. Some subtle smokiness. It really smells fantastic.

Tastes like a very thin version of Victory at Sea, which isn't a bad thing. The coffee really comes out in the taste. Followed by vanilla, and alcohol.

Mouthfeel is pretty flat and watery. This is where I am most disappointed. But the bottle does say "best before 2/2/10" So maybe I am just getting to it late, but not surprised I was disappointed.

Overall, I am happy to have tried this. Thanks to matttYCE for this great extra. This is by far the best stout I have had from across the pond by a long shot. A must try if you can get your hands on this. (955 characters)

Photo of dirtylou
3.85/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle - Star. best by 2/2/10, hmm

appearance: poured into oversized snifter - flat pour with almost no head and a very small number of beige bubbles, mahogany body

smell: aroma leans towards scotch and butterscotch, dry malts, not overly complex

taste: smooth and well refined - creamy caramel, butterscotch, milk chocolate, scotch. It barely feels like an imperial stout - the scotch aging is less pronounced then i wasnt overly moved by the base stout

mouthfeel: nice smooth body, creamy, but relatively flat

drinkability: fine (540 characters)

Photo of david131
3.85/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- A deep, dark brown liquid that has a surprising amount of transparency. The head rises and falls as quickly as Coca Cola. Pretty limp looking.

S- Very mild smelling. I get some whisky, dark fruits, and a bit of smoke.

T- Sweet, dark fruits with a mild whisky flavor. There is some oak, vanilla, and smoke coming through, but overall, this is pretty mild. Sweet and enjoyable.

M- Silky smooth, but maybe a tad thin. The carbonation is barely noticeable. A fairly clean aftertaste, but the roastiness sticks around for a bit.

D- For the ABV and the style, this is a pretty mild beer that drinks fairly easily. This is enjoyable, but KBS blows this out of the water and I would never pay $12 for this again. (711 characters)

Photo of megahurts4
3.82/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Brewdog Paradox Port Dundas

Appearance: dark brown, no head, and no lacing.

Smell: caramel and toffee.

Taste: caramel, toffee, and a slight cocoa.

Mouthfeel: medium-light and smooth.

Overall:
This is much lighter than anticipated. The flavors are subtle and rich. (271 characters)

Photo of kzoobrew
3.82/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours beep brown almost black. Nearly opaque, light only penetrates the edges leaving faint ruby high lights.. Even when poured vigorously there is no head.

Very nice whisky aroma. Big time vanilla aroma. There may be some chocolate scents in there but I am losing much of it behind the vanilla and whisky aromas.

Flavor is heavy on the scotch up front. roasted malt and some chocolate flavors coming up behind. Slight touch of vanilla though far less than what is picked up by the nose. The woodiness of the oak and the whisky flavors stick with you long after your last sip.

Mouth feel is rather smooth and creamy. Body is not overly big, but rather comes off slightly watered down. Finishes rather dry.

While this was rather enjoyable it does not live up to expectations. I am glad I have tried this one but will pass on it next time. The concept in better than the brew. (878 characters)

Photo of erz316
3.79/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

batch 013 with a best before of 02/02/10, served into la chouffe snifter.

A - christ almighty! have they even bothered to prime any of these goddamn beers?! the head is nothing more than the offspring of the increasingly hard pour i made. the colour is a light cream. the body is super pitch black. looks pretty much like the islay one I just had. I dont really know what to say, they all pretty much look the same disappointing way. these oak casks must be fucking magical because they suck out all the carbonation and body from these brews, except for the very first one I had.

S - this one, however, does smell a bit different. a little less smokiness, less peat, and a bit more malts. there is this a odd caramel-port/sweet wine note that is slightly fruity; maybe even a touch of cocoa powder. the only problem with all of this is that the brew doesn't smell very strongly, it is quite weak and one has to search for the aromas; but they smell pretty good, so i'll bump up the score.

T - the taste is the best so far of the recent ones had. the initial is a huge amount of malts, raisins, figs, some brown sugar, and whiskey spiciness and alcohol. I really enjoy this flavour but I cant find much that makes me think 'stout!'. the fig raisin thing it has going on is quite good; the sweetness from this sensation is most like a brown sugar, with a touch of raw molasses. the finish is much sweeter than would be expected: there is a distinct prune taste, quite very much pruny. the aftertaste is a bit astringent , but mostly malty and charred oaken whiskey. a nice finish for a questionable stout.

MF&D - that is not the texture of an imperial stout, yet again. this one might be the thickest yet of all the recent ones i've tried, but at best it is a medium. the carbonation is still lacking enough to really bring down the score. the drinkability is alright, but I want something big, carbonated, and thick (much like my penis, sans the carbonated aspect)!

I have to approximate what I thought the ratings are, because the goddamn site crashed when trying to submit a review. (2,088 characters)

Photo of Naugros
3.76/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3

Poured flat, with just a few bubbles. I can count them if you want. I had to check other reviews to see if maybe what I received was a bad bottle, but this seems to be a common complaint. Not a good start. It's really dark brown and inky, but so are all stouts.

Smells like whiskey with a wee bit of chocolate...sorry, Brew Dog is in Scotland so it should be spelled without an "E". Also, Port Dundas is a Scotch whisky. LOL, spellcheck is saying that I spelled "whisky" wrong. The programmer must have been Irish.

Anyway, back to this beer. It's time to taste it, but I'm afraid to. Courage Beer Samurai, courage. Ooh, it tastes a lot better than it smells. Chocolate and coffee bring in a sweetness that I hadn't expected. The whisky flavor is still there, but mitigated and it seems that the barrel conditioning did more than pick up a whisky flavor, it brought some oak as well. There's a bitterness in the aftertaste, but I can't tell if it's from a hops presence or due to the roasted grains. With no citrus, floral or grassy flavors to be found I'll go with the latter. Do yourself a favor and drink this at room temperature. The whisky is even further mitigated (even if still thought spelled incorrectly) and the bitterness is taken down a notch, letting the sweetness shine through. Much nicer.

It's 10% ABV and it smells and tastes of whisky. So it's going to sound really strange when I say that the alcohol is hidden pretty well. There's no vinous sensation and no heat. Do not confuse whisky flavor with alcohol heat. The beer is satiny in texture and goes down smoothly. Oh yeah, and it's flat.

Not an everyday beer, but more of a "I want to try something a little different" beer. It's nice, I like it, but for my money I'd rather have a Weyerbacher Heresy. (1,779 characters)

Photo of sisuspeed
3.74/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a snifter. A thin, off-white, film rests on top of a fairly dark body. Light lacing.

The nose is filled with sweet malts, chocolate, cherries, honey and a touch of sea salt. Nice floral honey notes. Plums and figs. Nice depth. Hint of alcohol.

Vanilla, dark roasted malts, light honey and a touch of dark fruit. Some saltiness and oaky wood. There are some nice notes going on here, but Brewdog has done better than this. Still a tasty brew though.

Mouthfeel is smooth, but unfortunately flat. Some lingering bitterness from the malt and wood. I think the lack of bubbles is hurting this beer the most.

Drinkability is pretty good. This is the third beer in the Paradox series that I've had and it seems that Brewdog knows how to use there barrels. However, the Isle of Arran is still my favorite. Looking forward to trying some of the others. (859 characters)

Photo of camil1mj
3.73/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

I have drank a lot of good beer, but this is my first review.

Bottle says best before 2/2/2010. Poured into my Bell's tulip glass at cellar temperature.
A: Dark as night. No light shines through
S: Chocolate with a slight hint of alcohol.
T: This is a lot less intense than I would have guessed from the description. I would use the term weak. Chocolate and whiskey are the two tastes I can really pick up on.
M: The feel is disappointing. it is very thin for my expectations of a barrel-aged stout.
O: This is an average barrel-aged stout. I have had better and worse. The smell is the best thing going for it. (612 characters)

Photo of IBUnit63
3.72/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Room temperature into Duvel tulip. Batch 13 with BBD 2/2/2010.

Head of dried ginger comes and goes quickly, leaving wisps up top. Body is slightly turbid yet dark brown - root beer/espresso brown.

Nose is very subtle for malt texture - port and whiskey, along with vanilla oak, dominate here. Oh yeah...the booze is there, too. Big time. Brings out milk chocolate notes. Hops? Noble at most - very mild...grass? Pine? Too mellow to make an impression.

Port shows up here but it's slightly watered down against the oak/vanilla backdrop. Now the roasted chocolate malt comes out more clearly and counters the booze. Even some hop grass shows up.

Palate isn't bad - tight with coffee, booze and a little hoppy grass. A little clammy up front. Not a lot of Beautiful Chemistry here. Pretty disjointed, and finish is sort of tepid.

2 Brewdog offerings sampled so far, with 2 disappointments. This one is OK but there are much better. There's really no synergy to speak of, and that's the real issue. Good individual components and they just don't connect. None have real power to me, either, so I can't imagine age helping too terribly much. (1,142 characters)

Photo of mfnmbvp
3.62/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

11.2 fl oz. bottle, Batch No. 013, bottled on 02/02/2008, aged nearly seven years. My first of any of the Paradox beers from BrewDog, this one their "imperial stout aged in a former Port Dundas 1966 cask". My 1000th beer review on BeerAdvocate, and I couldn't be more excited. Acquired this gem from the local Ardmore Station Liquors.

Poured into a Duvel tulip glass.

A - Served cold and allowed to warm over the course of consumption; it pours a dark chocolate brown; opaque in the glass with hardly any conjuration of head, merely some mocha colored bubbles. The beer has clearly lost a lot of carbonation over the course of time, and appears much more watery and less viscous than I had imagined.

S - The aroma comes through nicely, but it has also noticeably fallen off. Notes of chocolate, cocoa, vanilla, oak wood, some indistinct raisin / plum / fig dark fruitiness. I suppose very minor alcohol fumes are still detectable.

T - The taste follows the nose - notes of chocolate, vanilla, oak, cream, raisins. A very nice flavor profile, but a bit too tamed by time it seems. No alcohol warmth or presence is noted at all.

M - Smooth and mellow at this point. The carbonation has fallen off ridiculously; the beer is watery at this point.

Overall, like others have said: this beer's best days have come and gone. Glad to have tried it, but it wasn't worth what I paid for it at this point. If anyone is still holding down bottles of this, I'd recommend drinking them ASAP, because this beer is not improving with age. However, I look forward to trying other variants of this beer.

BrewDog Paradox Port Dundas -----3.5/5 (1,638 characters)

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BrewDog Paradox Grain (Batch 013) - Port Dundas 1966 from BrewDog
88 out of 100 based on 65 ratings.