Harveys Tom Paine Original Old Porter - Harvey & Son Ltd.

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Harveys Tom Paine Original Old PorterHarveys Tom Paine Original Old Porter

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35 Ratings
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Ratings: 35
Reviews: 30
rAvg: 3.85
pDev: 11.17%
Wants: 1
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
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Harvey & Son Ltd. visit their website
United Kingdom (England)

Style | ABV
English Porter |  4.80% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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(Beer added by: putnam on 07-28-2004)
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Photo of n0315
2.68/5  rDev -30.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

chocolate mile like head, not to much buts its a porter so its ok. Almost solid black in appearance.

A very strong taste, bitter I suppose a taste of coffee. Honestly the mouthfeel I felt was thicker than most porters. Burnt chochlate also a taste that I get somewhat.

This is honestly something I would not drink most of the time. Not bad for a try or two, but nothing special.

Photo of cookin420
3.05/5  rDev -20.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

16.9 poured into a pub glass.
Very little head here, enough for a porter, though. Head is the color of chocolate milk.
The beer is not quite black. Almost, except for a ruby tint.
Smells sweet and very malty. Chocolate malts create a strong coffee note, bitter nose from the choc. malt but no hop aromas at all.
The first few sips taste too sweet. Porter should be sweet but a lingering, sticky-sweet aftertaste is what I'm getting. It mellows well though, to a decent balance of malt and an oaky, coffee-bitter and spicy hop (though faint).
Mouth feel left a lot to be desired. Thick but not creamy. the amount of unfermented malt leaves the beer syrupy.
A slow sipper, this is fairly drinkable but set aside an hour to do so.
A moderately satisfying porter but tastes and feels a bit raw to me.

Photo of matjack85
3.25/5  rDev -15.6%

Photo of Crosling
3.38/5  rDev -12.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pretty damn black.

Interesting and intriguing nose. Whiffs of apple cider, caramel and milk chocolate.

Non aggresive and certainly not offensive but there isn't much going on here. Front is mainly sweet and soft with some diverse earthy tones. Mid is lightly roasted coffee, some light dark fruitiness and milk chocolate. Finish has a hint of pepper, notes of grapes and a lingering dry, nutty and chocolatey presense on the palate.

Photo of Mebuzzard
3.5/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured into pint glass.
No head to speak of, very disappointing. Black body, looked very smooth.
Smell of a bit of coffee and roasted malt, some chocolate
Taste of coffee, roasted malt and powder cocoa.
Thinner than it looked. Flavors were weak and aftertaste of alcohol spoiled the flavors that were present.

Photo of MrSeth
3.5/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

There was no head from the first pour. A ring of unusual bubbles around the glass. A small tan head arrives very late. The body is an opaque black. The smell at first seems metalic. The malt shows nicely despite this with coffee and spice notes in there as well. The malt flavor is also nice despite the poor condition. And speaking of which, it's dead flat. I am used to porters having less carbonation than other beers, but this is too flat. The flavor is really good here so I will definitely get another bottle and see if this is just one poor example.

Photo of careforapint
3.6/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

I gave this only 3.5 for taste because of it's uniqueness. This is not a bad thing, just not a brew that I could drink more than one of. It pours beautifully into the glass like the color of dark molasses and the aroma is just as intriguing. Slightly sweet for a porter, but what I found so unique is that it almost had a Worcestershire sauce flavor...which works! I agree with other reviewers that this is almost a winter warmer. The strong flavors make it seem stronger than 4.8%. I wasn't sure if I liked this when I had finished, but I ended up buying another bottle and I'm glad I did!

Photo of feloniousmonk
3.6/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Fully dark brown color, with slight reddish tints, under a thin tan head.
Aroma, nice and creamy, light, bit of cocoa, but perhaps a bit too less?
Taste: smoothness incarnate, light and breezy, for a dark ale. Flavors of cocoa and coffee reside on the palate, but don't trouble the tongue too much.
Decent porter, I guess, but I was hoping for more, much more, and I have to be disappointed, especially considering the price of the bottle.
Not going to return to this one, sad to say...

Photo of edchicma
3.63/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Not a bad brew, but a bit disappointing. Pours balck with a small chunky head. Smell was light with coffee and malt aromas discernible. Taste was mild, malty, with some medicial qualities. Tartness in teh aftertatste. Mouthfeel is light, with a refrteshing quality. Drinkability is fine, no doubt due to teh lower abv. Not bad, but not spectacular.

Photo of jdhilt
3.63/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours with a one-finger light tan head that fades slowly leaving a good lace. Deep amber color almost black. Good carbonation and light-medium bodied. Nose is chocolate. Starts with a sweetish molasses flavor, finish is slightly bitter chocolate. $4.25 for a 500ml bottle from Colonial Spirits Acton, MA..

Photo of Kookiekwan
3.65/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This beer pours black has a thin filmy almost non-existant head, with very little retention. The aroma is of roasted coffee/toffee with a hint of butterscotch. The flavor is sweet roasted coffee, very smooth mouthfeel. Even though its only 4.8% I could still taste the alcohol in the finish.

Photo of allengarvin
3.65/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Dark ebony, with a quite thin film of foam.

Aroma: Slight chocolate-caramel nose.

Flavor: Creamy cocoa flavor, somewhat toffee-ish. Low bitterness, slightly fruity but mostly clean finish.

Mouthfeel: Low carbonation, but with very creamy & chewy body.

Not bad, but for the effort they put into making an authentic 19th century porter, with an original recipe etc, I was hoping for something that stands out a bit more. The weakest of the Tom Paine line (the Brown Ale is delicious though).

Photo of bruachan
3.68/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

a winking lizard tour beer that's been hanging out for some time
nice, stout bottle with a pic of good old time paine

it's a solid looking brew. totally opaque black with a khaki head that retains itself well, releasing scents of molasses, licorice and a hint of the soy sauce aroma that suggests some passage of time. ever-so-slightly spicy as well. the flavors are dark and sophisticated, with a smoky finish to the smooth (but light, actually) mouthfeel. no hop flavor but some apparent bitterness for balance

Photo of CRJMellor
3.75/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours deep, dark maroon with black tints. Thin but creamy head with a ton of gooey lace.
Aroma is slightly peaty and roasted barley hit with some french vanilla coffe and a biscuity note.
Flavor is light chocolate upfront moving to a flaked barley finish. Simple yet satisfying.
Mouthfeel is semi-sweet to start moving to a dry but somewhat thin middle and finishing wiht a roasted hit.
Drinkability is decent but nothing special.

Photo of Hopheadjeffery
3.75/5  rDev -2.6%

Photo of Slatetank
3.75/5  rDev -2.6%

Photo of Greggy
3.78/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A- Pours a fluffy light tan head about 1.5 fingers in head. It leaves some lacing on its way down. The body is brown with dark ruby highlights.

S- Almost a creme brulee like nose. Big caramel, vanilla, large fresh roasted coffee, dark roasted malts, and a touch of smoke.

T- Starts out with an almost tart dry chocolate and bitter hop component then moves into a slight chocolate and residual hop finish. This is very much, like the name implies, an old english porter, but it didn't have to much character to me.

M- Very smooth with low carbonation.

D- It's to bad the taste wasn't as good as the rest of this beer as it'd be pretty sessionable. As it is though, I probably wouldn't have it again. I could see this being much better fresh.

Photo of Dogbrick
3.78/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Sample at AleFest Dayton (As Tom Paine Porter): This beer is a very dark brown color with a thin beige head and spotty lacing. The aroma is chocolatey cocoa and burnt malt. Medium-bodied and dry with roasted malt and chocolate flavors. The finish is sweet molasses and chocolate. Better than expected overall.

Photo of ColoradoBobs
3.83/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

500 ml bottle on sale at Wilbur's in Fort Collins, CO, for $1.99.

Moderate pour into my pint glass produces a thin choco-tan head over a dark-brown not-quite-opaque body with reddish tinges around the edge: as you would expect from a porter.

Smell is caramel malt, chocolate malt, espresso, not too strong, but pleasant enough.

Taste is burned malt, roasted malt, toasted malt, and some chocolate espresso. Nice taste.

Mouthfeel is a bit thin for a porter, but then this is an ENGLISH one, so what did I expect?

Drinkability is high, especially since the ABV is only 4.8%.

I'll pick this up again, but only if it's on sale again. Not worth the regular price of $3.99, IMHO: there are many better brews on which one could spend 4 bucks for a half liter.

Photo of BuckeyeNation
3.9/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."

--Thomas Paine


Opaque, melted dark chocolate brown with intense, sparkling ruby accents when viewed through bright sunlight. The smallish cap of dark brown foam would look more at home on a stout. It's a substantial one finger in thickness at present and looks like it'll stay for a bit. There isn't much lace (yet) since the head isn't giving any ground. Once the glass is nearly emptied of beer, there's an impressive, three finger swath of lace through its midsection.

The nose, while a little underpowered, is pleasant enough. Cocoa powder is first in line with a whiff of spice coming in second (I'll go with allspice). It also smells a little like musky fruit which, I believe, is due to a mild, but real, hop presence. Even though there isn't much to criticize, plenty of porters have this one beat in the aroma department.

At least Original Old Porter doesn't wimp out with respect to flavor and mouthfeel like so many 'traditional' English porters do. It seems to be a different beer on the palate than it was in the nose. It's now roughly equal parts coffee and chocolate with unripe fruit (read: sour) underpinnings. There's plenty of roasted dark malt on hand, well above average for a porter.

The sourness is pervasive, but isn't overpowering, and a counterbalancing bitterness appears on the finish to even things out. I'd like to see a bigger, firmer mouthfeel. Keeping style in mind though, it isn't that far out of line. The carbonation does its work quietly and effectively.

Thomas Paine, as the label reminds me, is the author of the influential pamphlet 'Common Sense'. The brewers seem to have taken that sentiment to heart in crafting a no-nonsense, traditional porter that lacks bells and whistles, but doesn't lack good, honest porter flavor.

Photo of gueuzeonhigh
3.9/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

As I understand it, Porters appeared as the result of mixtures of different beers so perhaps the style has a broad definition of what the beer should really be. I've taken a Porter to be a "near stout".
This Porter poured a dark brown almost black opque with a mild tan head. The head was short lived and some minor lacing on my glass. The scant nose left me inhaling thinking something evaporated before I completed the pour. The nose was a precursor for what the flavor would be-- it had many of the underpinnings that I've come to expect from Porters but left me wondering where the flavor went. What I could discern was a touch of ale with toasted malt, some hints of caramel. The flavor dissipated quickly with a fast finish.
The mouthfeel was that of a mild but smooth minimal carbonated drink.
I consider that the drinkability was above average because of the low ABV and rather mild carbonation.
Unfortunately this porter left me wanting a stronger flavor stance.

Photo of orangemoustache
3.93/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a deep brownish/mahogany with a tall but average foamy,brown head that leaves nice lace as it disappears.The nose is sweet like carmamelized fruit,hint of chocolate malt as well.The taste is a nice blend of bitter and sweet chocolates along with dark fruits most notably prunes and a subtle sourness that is faint enough to be an asset and not a distraction.Some hop pressence on the finish has a slightly drying effect,along with a grittyness that helps give a fuller feling than the actual body which is a bit thin and low in carbonation.A very nice beverage for a cool May evening,or any evening!

Photo of TheLongBeachBum
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Presentation: 500ml broad bodied brown glass bottle with a thin short stubby neck. The main label has a picture of Thomas Paine set against a black and gold background. Tom Paine was an English ‘radical’ by birth who eventually went on, so the legend goes, to assist in drafting the American Declaration of Independence and was to eventually die in the USA. Labeled as ‘Harveys Tom Paine Original Old Porter’, and listed at 4.8% ABV. No freshness date.

Appearance: A very dark brown body when backlit which becomes a dark black when it is not. A decent enough ½” light brown tan head slowly evolves and forms on the pour, but it eventually settles to a thin looking cap covering – but never breaks and is always uniform, and it does leave some nice looking lacing. Extremely finely dissolved carbonation remains firm start to finish.

Nose: Dark brooding nose is full and flavorsome. Sourness, Roasted Malts, Stale Red Wine, Milk Chocolate, Coffee and some Rum & Raisin.

Taste: A mixture of milky chocolate and fantastic flashes of sourness throughout. Dark freshly roasted coffee and some raisins here and there. Predominantly though, this Porter is all about the rum sourness, it is never over the top, or even off-putting – and it will not be to everyone’s taste - but somehow it lends a lovely Olde Worlde feel to this libation.

Mouthfeel: Smooth yet definitively Porter-esque in character. Above average feel is bolstered by the sourness and lots of roasted malts; all supported by a caffeine like injection from the coffee flavors.

Drinkability: Seemingly refined, yet harking back to a time when things were simplistic. Works well for me; the sourness is welcome and adds to the overall quaffability.

Overall: How things used to be. Well worth seeking out, but don’t expect the usual low profile bland offering, this one does not shy away from keeping the sourness where it should be, but it blends it impressively into a worthy English Porter.

This is definitely an English Porter “Old-School” style…..and I loved it. Recommended.

Photo of Rochefort10nh
4/5  rDev +3.9%

Photo of Naes
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Black with amber hues showing through. The head is a tiny layer of cream colored bubbles.
The aroma is sweet with a bit of chocolate.
Its flavor is roasty with tones of chocolate, toffee and coffee in the mix.
Mouth feel is full bodied, a bit syrupy but remains smooth with a dry finish.
This is one of the better imported porters that I have tried.

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Harveys Tom Paine Original Old Porter from Harvey & Son Ltd.
86 out of 100 based on 35 ratings.