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Or - Cigar City Brewing

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BA SCORE
91
outstanding

168 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 168
Reviews: 103
rAvg: 4.08
pDev: 11.52%
Wants: 26
Gots: 32 | FT: 2
Brewed by:
Cigar City Brewing visit their website
Florida, United States

Style | ABV
American Black Ale |  11.20% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: CampusCrew on 11-12-2010)
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Reviews by Florida9:
Photo of Florida9
3.85/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Much like Either, this one is unsurprisingly black in color. Forms a large dark khaki colored brown head on an aggressive pour. Great retention, though it eventually reduces down to a flat black surface with a ring around the edge. Very light lacing.

S: Molasses, roasted malts, chocolate and a faint bit of aromatic wood.

T: Sweet dark malts. molasses, brown sugar and dark fruit. Some citrus on the back end that subsides as the beer warms. Very faint bitterness.

M: On the heavier side with appropriate carbonation and sweetness that becomes cloying as the beer warms.

D: Another good, but not great, beer from CCB. Much like Either, this one is packed full of flavor from start to finish, though the weight of this beer seemed wear on me a bit more than Either.

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Tasted this alongside Either. Both beers look identical. There is no difference there. Or's nose is mores roasty. Either is a bit sweeter, with more of a "Black IPA" character to it, while Or has a bit more a citrus and seems to push more towards the stout side of the spectrum. However, at the end of the day, both are very similar.

Florida9, Jan 23, 2011
More User Reviews:
Photo of TCHopCraver
4.1/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Second (duh) of an Either-Or back-to-back on 2-18-11. Thanks again, zoso and Goalie.

Or pours dark brown, nearly black, with a light brown head. Around the edges, the color is reddish and see-through. The lacing is pretty nicely dotty and sticky. This aspect of the beer doesn't differ from Either all that much.

I smell way more citrus hops showing through than I did in Either. I'm not sure if this is because of relative freshness of the two beers or just the difference between the two recipes. The cedar is quite prominent and it is also a very malty sweet aroma, like Either. However, I think the balance between malt sweetness and hops is much better in Or than in Either. I really like this smell.

The taste also brings a heavy influence of the cedar barrels. Or is not as syrupy and crazy-sweet as Either is. I taste some roastiness, some sweet fruits, and lots of cedar in my mouth. To quote Larry David, "Do you respect wood?" I happen to, so I appreciate the woodiness of Or. The sweet fruity taste in the middle leads to a not overly bitter hop and wood finish.

The mouthfeel carries a very good balance between thick, sweet malt and a bitter bite from the hops. I think this is a better feel than Either. Overall, it is medium bodied, has good carbonation, and the finish does a fairly nice job of drying the sweetness off of my palate.

After drinking samples of Either and Or, I am left with a very woody, dry residue in my mouth. However, this is not necessarily a bad thing; I just couldn't drink very much of either of these two beers. I did like this one slightly better than Either based on more of a hop balance, and would pick Or if I had to make a choice.

TCHopCraver, Feb 26, 2011
Photo of warnerry
3.63/5  rDev -11%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Notes from June 2012; tasted side by side with CCB either.

A - Similar to Either, this pours pitch black with very little head.

S - Quite a bit of cedar, roasted malts, and a slight sweetness, though less than Either.

T - Roasted malt, cedar and milk chocolate. A little drier and more pronounced and drier than Either, though I found it to be less enjoyable.

M - Mouthfeel is rather full with some citrus bitterness and a very dry cedar finish. More boozy than Either.

O - I liked Either better, but this was still a pretty tasty beer.

warnerry, Jun 29, 2013
Photo of iemailjack
4/5  rDev -2%

iemailjack, Jan 07, 2013
Photo of kingcrowing
4.2/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle poured into a Duvel tulip.

Pours a nice dark brown, it looks near black in the glass but while pouring you can see light hints of red, it's a nit lighter than 'Either'. There's a nice creamy one finger head with some light lacing. The nose is super fresh and fruity, floral hops and mango.

Taste is better than 'Either' right off the bat. That graininess is present but it takes a back seat to the sharp bitterness and dark malts. There's a nice roasty finish that just seals the deal for me. Prime time. Mouthfeel is also pretty highly carbonated, but it's still creamy and smooth. Very good!

kingcrowing, Dec 11, 2010
Photo of hiphopipa
4.13/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a deep, dark brown, not near black-distinctively pitch brown.
Has a thin tan head around the perimeter that dissipates quickly and leaves little lace around the glass.
Smells boozy and of burnt sugar, roasted molasses & chocolate.
Sweet up front with strong honey overtones. Thick & creamy with hefty carbonation.
Sharp hop bite at the end, but definitely taken over by the dark roasted malts and smoked cedar finish.

Delicious, awesome afternoon treat.

hiphopipa, Oct 23, 2011
Photo of doremite
4/5  rDev -2%

doremite, Jul 26, 2014
Photo of mondegreen
3.78/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. into a Founders Tulip. Served alongside Either.

Pours black with a one finger off white head.

Aroma is roasted malts and citrus hops.

The dark malts really shine through in the taste. This could almost pass for a very hoppy Imperial Stout. Finishes with a long-lingering bitterness.

Mouth is medium full.

Drinks very well. In the end, this beer comes off as a bit more straightforward than Either. They are both excellent brews - chalk this up to a successful collaboration!

mondegreen, Feb 09, 2011
Photo of glid02
4.15/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

On-tap at Proof in Tallahassee, FL.

Pours black with a one-finger brown head. The head recedes into a patchy layer on top leaving solid lacing.

Smells of sticky pine hops with good amounts of herbal hop aromas backing it up. Also present are moderate amounts of slightly roasted malts and lighter amounts of sweet caramel malts.

Tastes similar to how it smells although the hops are toned down just a bit. Smooth roasted malts with good amounts of sweeter caramel malt flavors kick things off. Joining in shortly thereafter are huge amounts of pine hops backed by equal amounts of herbal and citrus flavors. Midway through the sip the malt reasserts itself, carrying through to a solidly bitter finish.

Mouthfeel is very good. It's got a smooth thickness with grainy carbonation.

Drinkability is good. I finished my glass without a problem and could have another.

Overall I was a pretty big fan of this beer but unlike many other CDAs I've had this beer straddled the line of stout and DIPA, in my opinion to it's detriment. Still, it's a big beer that's worth trying if you see it around.

glid02, Dec 02, 2010
Photo of mdaschaf
3.98/5  rDev -2.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Review from notes. Drank alongside Either.

A: Poured a deep brown, almost black color. Had a small slightly off-white head on top with little retention and very little bits of lacing.

S: Nice malty aromas up front with some chocolate and roast, but the back end is dominated by some grassy/floral hops.

T: Much roastier and heavier on the chocolate compared to Either. There is a slight coffee flavor in the middle, but there is a nice transition featuring a hop kick with some floral and bitter hops.

M: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Pretty smooth, and no sign of the high ABV.

O: A better ABA than Either was, in my opinion at least. Had more of a hop presence.

mdaschaf, Oct 04, 2011
Photo of Stigs
4.28/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle, the second half of the Either/Or combination graciously sent to me by BA'er (and new homeowner!) Infestaxtion. Thanks!

Served in a Stone Levitation glass...

A - pours with over an inch of rich, creamy, thick khaki colored foam. the beer is just about pitch black in color. a thin, yet sticky and filmy wall of lace eats up most of the free space on the glass going down.

S - a nice, pungent and bold bright citrusy hop aroma fills the room during the pour. from the glass, the hops remain fairly strong, supplanted now by some rich roasted, yet not charred malt, toasted nuts, and bits of milk chocolate.

T - huge flavors, all around. massive hop bitterness immediately strikes and takes no prisoners...bringing a hefty amount of bitter grapefruit, and massively earth and pine alone. roasty, charred malts struggle to get noticed alongside bits of chocolate, rum-like booze, and woody cedar. only a slight bit of metal and grains which often show up in a beer this big.

M - medium, creamy and slightly syrupy body in spite of a healthy dose of tingly carbonation. bittering throughout, yet finishes quite crisp and "clean". long, lingering earthy bitterness and lingering roast which is closed up nicely by a quick alcohol burn.

D - extremely well done al around, perhaps my only qualm is that everything in here is just overdone a tad. wonderful on the eyes, nose, and mouth. this is head and shoulders above "Either". this goes down so well, almost too well for its high ABV. warming me up on this snowy night!

Stigs, Dec 03, 2010
Photo of jh1982
5/5  rDev +22.5%

jh1982, Nov 15, 2011
Photo of zaphodchak
4.18/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Kinda opaque body, no head on my one ounce taste.

Strong smell, slightly spicier, more herbal than Either, more hop character.

Taste is far mellower-- caramel, malty sweetness, oregano. Quite pleasant and tasty. Sweet (honey?), but balanced by a (subdued) hop presence. Plenty of hops in the aftertaste though. Compartmentalizes nicely, plenty in here to pick apart.

Slightly brigher, more carbonated mouthfeel than Either.

This is quite nice-- reminds me of DFH 120 in only the good ways.

zaphodchak, Nov 06, 2011
Photo of Ciocanelu
4.5/5  rDev +10.3%

Ciocanelu, Oct 01, 2013
Photo of cjgator3
4.22/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle

A- Sampled alongside "Either". Poured into a Cigar City snifter. Pours a dark black color with a tan colored head. "Or" has better retention and lacing than "Either".

S- The aroma is similar to a black IPA. The aroma starts out with dark roasted malts and a very nice fresh smelling hop aroma. While "Either" is a little more malty in the nose, "Or" features a more pronounced hop profile.

T- The taste like the aroma is dark roasted malts up front, espresso and a lot of lingering bitterness in the finish from the hops. The alcohol also leaves a lingering warming effect in the finish as well.

M- The mouthfeel is medium bodied with a perfect amount of carbonation.

D- Overall, I really enjoyed sampling Either/Or in the same sitting. They are very similar but the hop profile is the main difference. I have to give the nod to "Or" as my favorite of the two. 

cjgator3, Feb 11, 2011
Photo of Doppelbockulus
1/5  rDev -75.5%

Doppelbockulus, Jan 27, 2012
Photo of PeprSprYoFace
4.22/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

It looks like most people like Or better than either but I am a bit opposit. I love them both but I like either better. But they are very similar.

The appearance is the same. Not a great head but a ring that produced a bit of lacing.

Aroma is more hop forward on this one. I smell alot more hops and I feel it's covering up the other great aromas. However I feel like I did in either that they both could use an aroma boost.

Taste is a bit more hoppy. Again I think it's covering up some of the flavors. Either had more sweet caramel. A little more wood in this one too.

Mouthfeel is same as in the hops are covering some things up I liked in either.

Overall I love them both and think they both deserve a little bit better review. I'll be trading for some more of both to see how they do over time together. But I think I like either a bit better.

PeprSprYoFace, Mar 03, 2011
Photo of Alieniloquium
3.55/5  rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12 oz. bottle poured into a Kuhnhenn snifter. No bottle date.

Appearance - Jet black. Inky. Small flutter of a khaki head then it fades to a collar.

Smell - Tons of cedar coming through on this one. Molasses, dark chocolate, and cedar. Whoah. This is a lot stronger than I remember the cedar in Either.

Taste - Molasses taste is prominent here at first, but the cedar takes over and gives it a sweetness and bitterness at the same time. The cedar seems much stronger here than it did in Either. Maybe the hops masked the cedar in Either. The dark malt base seems to be holding up nicely. Just a touch of hop bitterness in the finish.

Mouthfeel - Not as boozy as Either. Stronger cedar, which I can handle. Less bitter. Much more like Humidor Zhukov without being cloyingly sweet. Interesting and rather nice.

Overall - I feel that age has treated this one better, if only because it was less hoppy to begin with. The booze is much mellower. The cedar is still pretty strong. The cedar adds a dimension that I'm not sure I love, but it keeps me interested.

Alieniloquium, Sep 19, 2012
Photo of thagr81us
4.47/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Shared with mikesgroove at Hobo Tasting #3! Big thanks goes out to Jefe73 for this bottle as an extra from a recent trade. Served from bottle into a Stone nonic. Poured pitch black with a one finger tan head that subsided to a minimal amount slowly. Maintained decent lacing throughout the glass. The aroma was comprised of sweet malt, dark fruit, and chocolate. The flavor was of sweet malt, dark fruit, slight alcohol, and chocolate. It had a heavy feel on the palate with mild carbonation. Overall this was a pretty nice brew. Had a very well balanced flavor going on here as everything seemed to work in unison. I enjoyed this one better than Either (which I had a few hours earlier). Very nice aroma going on here too. This is the absolute must try of the two in the series in my opinion.

thagr81us, Jan 17, 2011
Photo of bum732
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

bum732, Aug 11, 2013
Photo of GRG1313
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

GRG1313, Aug 15, 2012
Photo of cyrushire
4/5  rDev -2%

cyrushire, Jan 26, 2013
Photo of aepb1
4.05/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A- Black body with a small tan head and plenty of lacing

S- Piney hops, some cedar too

T- Hoppy bite up front and moves into a sweet maltiness, finishes with some bitterness from coffee notes

M- Medium body, creamy, smooth

D- A nice beer to sip on! The mouthfeel makes it go down easy even with the high ABV

aepb1, Dec 31, 2010
Photo of wesley14
4.5/5  rDev +10.3%

wesley14, Jul 03, 2012
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Or from Cigar City Brewing
91 out of 100 based on 168 ratings.