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Or - Cigar City Brewing

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BA SCORE
91
outstanding

168 Ratings
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Ratings: 168
Reviews: 103
rAvg: 4.08
pDev: 11.52%
Wants: 25
Gots: 31 | FT: 2
Brewed by:
Cigar City Brewing visit their website
Florida, United States

Style | ABV
American Black Ale |  11.20% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: CampusCrew on 11-12-2010)
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Photo of Doppelbockulus
1/5  rDev -75.5%

Doppelbockulus, Jan 27, 2012
Photo of PDXHops
2.45/5  rDev -40%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

12 oz bottle in a Duvel tulip. I'm borrowing from and adding to my notes from Either.

Either:
Pours out near black with a smallish shiny tan head that soon reduces to a skim, but this sticks around impressively and leaves scattered creamy bits of lacing.
Or:
Other than a head that's a shade lighter in color, pretty much the same.

Either:
Smells pleasantly sweet, full of milk chocolate, honey, pineapples, oranges and floral notes. Could stand a touch more roasted/burnt character.
Or:
This version seems to have the addition of a sourness along the lines of green apples and has even less roastiness in the nose.

Either:
The cedar is a background player in the nose, but the flavor is much more assertive. This cedar business seems to work better with some of their beers more than others; to me it seems distracting more than anything here. A nice sharp bitterness is drowned out first by the cedar, then a wave of sweetness and booze. All the fruit and chocolate mentioned above is present, plus a lingering raisinish tang. Kinda minty at times. Between the thickish body, the sweetness and the cedar becoming increasingly strong as it warms, it's a bit of a chore to finish.
Or:
Mostly the same story, but as in the nose, there's a tart apple quality that adds another dimension of oddness.

Either:
Interesting sipper, but the shortage of dry and roasted flavors and lack of focus on the hops limit its appeal as a CDA.
Or:
Somewhat less appealing due to the green apple stuff. Glad to have tried it, wouldn't revisit.

PDXHops, Jan 19, 2011
Photo of ygtbsm94
3/5  rDev -26.5%

ygtbsm94, Nov 22, 2011
Photo of masterofsparks
3.25/5  rDev -20.3%

masterofsparks, Aug 31, 2014
Photo of nick76
3.3/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

The appearance is so dark it's almost black but it's still brown. The head is tan. The aroma is very toasted to the point of being burnt and a tin bit sweet with molasses and hops. The taste is like the aroma. The palate is sooth but not thick. Overall this is not any better than the either but the two blended are better.

nick76, Nov 22, 2010
Photo of Thorpe429
3.33/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Served in a Hill Farmstead wine glass.

Pours near black with a finger-and-a-half of light mocha head and some pretty good lacing as it goes down. Nice retention with some sticking power that's greater than what I found in the Either without a hard swirl. The nose is a bit hoppier than Either, with some citrus notes coming through as well as earth. The earthiness of this is quite prominent alongside a bit of roast.

The flavor starts out with some citrus hops and a bit of tangerine peel. After that comes a touch of light sweetness as well as some roast. A pretty good amount of booze is here as well, though not nearly as much as in Either. Medium body and not quite as creamy as Either, though the lack of alcohol dominance is nice. There are some hops in the finish, which is fairly dry. This is pretty decent and more drinkable right now than the Either, but neither one really stands up to what I would expect from these breweries.

Thorpe429, Dec 02, 2010
Photo of HuskyinPDX
3.33/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

12oz bottle poured into a Duvel tulip.

A - Very deep brown with a thin dark tan head, quick to fade to the edges.

S - Muted chocolate.

T - Bitter acidic coffee.

D - Oily in the mouth.

O - The bitterness and un-balance is just not right here. I was really looking forward to the Either-Or series, but I am a bit dissapointed in both. Or would rate slightly higher for me.

HuskyinPDX, May 31, 2011
Photo of JayS2629
3.43/5  rDev -15.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Ok, I get it. The joke is that either and or are the same beer.

Pours a dark brown, almost black, medium head with fast fade and ok lacing.

The aroma is of coffee, licorice, and faint chocolate notes, with earthy elements and some spicy hops in the back.

The flavor follows with the chocolate lingering after roasted malt, a touch of toffee, coffee, and spicy hops.

Overall, a bit thin, overcarbonated, and unbalanced, but very good.

JayS2629, Sep 01, 2011
Photo of 7ways
3.43/5  rDev -15.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Looks exactly the same as its counterpart, black with a mocha head, fat globs of lace... except the head retention isn't as strong and the carbonation isn't as fine and creamy.

Smells much more of hops than Either, and more specific fruits. More focused. The chocolate aroma is more like brownies than dark chocolate, and it has none of the licorice or fresh bread I picked up in the other one. Much more wood. And a slight sourish quality that makes me think I have a dirty glass (it's clean).

The taste is not as focused as the nose, but it is a little more cohesive than Either. Unlike Either, this one actually tastes something more like a black IPA. A tipsy balance of hops and black malt, with the hops barely winning. Caramel and vanilla are still in the lead, but the finish is a little acerbic compared to Either, which I'll blame on the cedar.

Mouthfeel is probably about right for the "style", but I'd prefer it to be more full and accommodating. Still well done.

Clearly a well made beer, but not for me.

7ways, Dec 29, 2010
Photo of JohnGalt1
3.45/5  rDev -15.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Ditmier busted Or and Either out at a recent tasting... Thanks Eric.. very cool to try these side by side... but honestly, I couldn't tell too much of a difference... "Or" seemed to be a tad hoppier and never gelled as well for me.

Thin dark tan head.. very clear ... dark walnut.. verging on black but clarity is so nice it never reaches that point, and that is okay.

nose has abundant resinous piney hops.. cedar is again pretty prevalent and I am starting to not like it in the brews.

Flavor seems a bit more harsh out of the gate than the Either.. the bitterness from the hops and the lightly astringent roasty malts seem amplified from the piney hop presence. Again, a little malty sweetness shows as minor caramel and is the tie that binds this one together mid-sip... the piney hops seem out of whack a bit... not my favorite in a dark malt beer by a long shot... and again.. the cedar is distracting and adds a layer of complexity that seems odd and doesn't jive with the overall brew. lingering char on the finish combining with the piney hops and the spicy cedar just doesn't do it for me.

Nice medium+ on the body with a good lush small bubble carbonation.

Didn't care for this one as much as Either, but it is still good... just not for me as much.

4/4/3/4/3.5

Another big props goes out to my buddy Ditmier.

JohnGalt1, Jan 15, 2011
Photo of bum732
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

bum732, Aug 11, 2013
Photo of mendvicdog
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

mendvicdog, Aug 12, 2013
Photo of thereal_adam
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

thereal_adam, Oct 10, 2014
Photo of david131
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

david131, Aug 17, 2012
Photo of duceswild
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

duceswild, Aug 13, 2013
Photo of whartontallboy
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

whartontallboy, Dec 26, 2011
Photo of AgentZero
3.53/5  rDev -13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Black with a brownish-tan head that left some stick on the sides and a partial cap.

S - Resiny, decent bit of hops, some dark fruit.

T - Mostly dark fruits and malts with some pine hops and a touch of citrus. Little bit of coffee and wood.

M - Medium bodied and a little bit sticky. Moderate carbonation.

O - Not bad, slightly hot which is explained by the ABV. It's not bad, but nothing I'll ever seek out.

AgentZero, Mar 17, 2011
Photo of Alieniloquium
3.55/5  rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12 oz. bottle poured into a Kuhnhenn snifter. No bottle date.

Appearance - Jet black. Inky. Small flutter of a khaki head then it fades to a collar.

Smell - Tons of cedar coming through on this one. Molasses, dark chocolate, and cedar. Whoah. This is a lot stronger than I remember the cedar in Either.

Taste - Molasses taste is prominent here at first, but the cedar takes over and gives it a sweetness and bitterness at the same time. The cedar seems much stronger here than it did in Either. Maybe the hops masked the cedar in Either. The dark malt base seems to be holding up nicely. Just a touch of hop bitterness in the finish.

Mouthfeel - Not as boozy as Either. Stronger cedar, which I can handle. Less bitter. Much more like Humidor Zhukov without being cloyingly sweet. Interesting and rather nice.

Overall - I feel that age has treated this one better, if only because it was less hoppy to begin with. The booze is much mellower. The cedar is still pretty strong. The cedar adds a dimension that I'm not sure I love, but it keeps me interested.

Alieniloquium, Sep 19, 2012
Photo of BarrytheBear
3.55/5  rDev -13%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Shared with steepH20 and tasted side by side with Either. Poured into trusty tasting glasses multiple times over. Big thanks to Mike for the opportunity.

Black with a crimson flare and significantly more lacing than the Either. Ups for this.

Touch of cedar, toasted sunflower seeds, mild hops, black malt. Not as vibrant as it's rompy little doppleganger. Big Butt Skinner...NOOO!

Sweeter, milder, and less boisterous. Touch of wood and pine that doesn't show the fruit or tropicality expressed by others. Age or shitty palate? You be the judge.

Slightly more sluggish and generally less enjoyable than Either. Also the truer to the style effort of the two in my opinion.

To steal from steep, "if this is the future of black IPA's, then something, something." He meant it positively.

BarrytheBear, Jul 07, 2011
Photo of billshmeinke
3.58/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Side by side with Either. Review from old notes.

Black with half a finger head. Lacing and retention are a touch nicer than Either.

Smell's about the same as Either. Not quite as pungent or cereal-y though.

Tastes about the same too. Less dark fruit, more chocolate and sweetness, no cereal notes.

Mouthfeel is a bit less carbonated than Either.

I liked it a little better, but that isn't saying much.

billshmeinke, Jun 29, 2011
Photo of warnerry
3.63/5  rDev -11%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Notes from June 2012; tasted side by side with CCB either.

A - Similar to Either, this pours pitch black with very little head.

S - Quite a bit of cedar, roasted malts, and a slight sweetness, though less than Either.

T - Roasted malt, cedar and milk chocolate. A little drier and more pronounced and drier than Either, though I found it to be less enjoyable.

M - Mouthfeel is rather full with some citrus bitterness and a very dry cedar finish. More boozy than Either.

O - I liked Either better, but this was still a pretty tasty beer.

warnerry, Jun 29, 2013
Photo of yourefragile
3.68/5  rDev -9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle served in a snifter. Side-by-side with Either.

Pours a chocolate black with a light mocha head, slightly thinner and less fluffy than Either. Fades to a thin ringer of bubbles and broken film with transient streaks of thin lacing. Much more cedar and wood on the nose of Or than Either. Resembles more of a wood aged IPA than a stout like Either. Sweeter flavor than Either and slightly drier and less robust in the body. Much more drinkable, smooth and less boozy than Either. The hops have faded from a fresh sample, but there is still a citrus rind and woody cedar presence throughout. This was my favorite fresh and now aged for nearly a year so I'll declare this my winner in the set.

yourefragile, Aug 07, 2011
Photo of Jmoore50
3.68/5  rDev -9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Side by side Either and Or. Liked Either more.

The appearance on this one is dark black. Almost the same look as Either, with a head retention that lasted a touch longer.

This one is very hops forward with backgrounds of chocolate, dry roast, and fresh cut wood. From doing a bit of researching this wood smell, and later taste, comes from cedar chips added. Interesting.

The taste is good, but doesn't meld as well as I would like. The hops are very forward, overshadowing any real sweetness' in the malt and honey base. An astringency comes forth a bit that is no doubtingly from the cedar chips, an unwelcome character with this one. A bit of booze in the finish, making this one a bit 'harsh' overall.

I don't mind this beer, and actually thought it was pretty good. It will benefit from aging and think it will turn into something like Either after a few months.

Jmoore50, Jan 17, 2011
Photo of oline73
3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

oline73, Aug 13, 2013
Photo of spycow
3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

spycow, Jan 14, 2013
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Or from Cigar City Brewing
91 out of 100 based on 168 ratings.