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Or - Cigar City Brewing

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BA SCORE
91
outstanding

167 Ratings
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Ratings: 167
Reviews: 103
rAvg: 4.09
pDev: 11.49%
Wants: 26
Gots: 32 | FT: 2
Brewed by:
Cigar City Brewing visit their website
Florida, United States

Style | ABV
American Black Ale |  11.20% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: CampusCrew on 11-12-2010)
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Photo of t0rin0
3.75/5  rDev -8.3%

t0rin0, Sep 15, 2012
Photo of Thorpe429
3.33/5  rDev -18.6%

Served in a Hill Farmstead wine glass.

Pours near black with a finger-and-a-half of light mocha head and some pretty good lacing as it goes down. Nice retention with some sticking power that's greater than what I found in the Either without a hard swirl. The nose is a bit hoppier than Either, with some citrus notes coming through as well as earth. The earthiness of this is quite prominent alongside a bit of roast.

The flavor starts out with some citrus hops and a bit of tangerine peel. After that comes a touch of light sweetness as well as some roast. A pretty good amount of booze is here as well, though not nearly as much as in Either. Medium body and not quite as creamy as Either, though the lack of alcohol dominance is nice. There are some hops in the finish, which is fairly dry. This is pretty decent and more drinkable right now than the Either, but neither one really stands up to what I would expect from these breweries.

Thorpe429, Dec 02, 2010
Photo of zestar
4/5  rDev -2.2%

zestar, Oct 27, 2013
Photo of brentk56
4.4/5  rDev +7.6%

Appearance: While the color of the beer is as dark as "Either," the head is a darker shade of tan, more densly packed and leaves a lot more lacing

Smell: Unlike the rich malt elements of "Either," the hops are much more apparent, bringing a piney character

Taste: The piney character from the hops is much more dominant in the flavor profile, as well, with the chocolate elements of the malt providing more of a backdrop; by mid-palate, the cedar adds its dimension and, while the honey appears in the back, in never makes quite the impression that it did in "Either"

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with moderate to high carbonation

Drinkability: I first tasted this at the brewery and leaned toward "Or" and now having it in the bottle, my initial impression was tilted in the same direction; by the end, however, I began to appreciate "Either" even more and have shifted my preference; you really cannot go wrong with either, or or

brentk56, Dec 17, 2010
Photo of BEERchitect
4.03/5  rDev -1.5%

Dry, malty, toasty, and hoppy are the words that quickly sum up this beer. With an imperial IPA base, the toasted malts add bitterness, robust character, and a porter-ish density that creates as much inquisition as it does complexity.

With the pour of a very dark burnt brown color and a light tan head of creamy foam, the beer creates a bold and masculine appearance with no appologies. Ordinate pockets of lace reinforce the blunt foam character that's both sturdy and withstanding.

Heavy toast, black strap molassas, buckwheat, and the aroma of roasted berries and currants all decorate the nose. The accent of white grapefruit, pine resin, and wood chips further reinforce the raw earthy, sharp pungency of kindle and malt.

Flavors of molassas, burnt sugars, toast char, dry cocoa, and pine resin all play into the earthy and burnt flavors with hoppy balance. Straying away from ashy favors, the char of woods, berries, and stone fruits are a deep and underlying compliment to the brighter hop flavor of grass, pine, and grapefruit that morph into a resiny bitterness of clean grapefruit and toast in finish. Delicous early, the beer takes a quick turn to a toasty-dry taste late.

Robust and malty early, the dense carbonation reinforce a milkshake-like consistency until the hop flavor and bitterness take the beer into a toasty/malty-dry bit of hop bitterness, alcohol dryness, and slightly acrid de-bittered malts that complement hop bitterness and dryness with slight grassy astringency.

I love the transition the beer makes from its creamy and malty-dry upstart, but then uses the bitterness of toast and coffee character of grain to accent hop bitterness and dryness, and without picking up the astringency or tannins that often accompany these flavors. Very. Well. Done!

Thanks again BlueOkie!

BEERchitect, Jul 08, 2011
Photo of mikesgroove
4.22/5  rDev +3.2%

and away we go with hobo tasting number four. me and calton in the parking lot of chucky cheese, drinking top 100 beers in crystall glass ware from the back of his trunk. we both have too many issues to get into right now.

pours, well you guess it a dark black with a nice tight and compact head of tan that seems to come up around an inch or so before settling back down to earth and coming through with a nice medium layer of lacing around the sides, fairly impressed. aroma is hops, dark roasted malts, a touch of burnt brown sugar, hints of licorice and a touch of dark fruits as it warms, very complex. flavor follows suit nicely, albeit not as strong, but still very nicely done. rich dark malts and piney hops blend together with a deep roasted flavor that carries over into a moderatly dry finish that sums it up quite well..

overall a really great beer an one i would have no issue with going for again. still floored how well that abv was hidden, damn!

mikesgroove, Jan 18, 2011
Photo of womencantsail
3.9/5  rDev -4.6%

Thanks for sharing this one, Bobby.

A: The beer pours a very dark brown color with a thin layer of off-white/tan foam.

S: Fairly heavy on the roast and chocolate notes with a moderate licorice quality. Some mild booze is also in there. A solid hop presence with a nice citrus (grapefruit) and pine note.

T: Grapefruit and other citrus hops are prominent up front. A mild pineapple flavor as well as some grass and a hint of pine round out the hop profile. Fairly roasty with a nice hint of licorice.

M: Medium to full in body with a medium level of carbonation.

O: I was expecting this to be pretty harsh at 11%, but really nice and easy to drink.

womencantsail, May 31, 2011
Photo of ygtbsm94
3/5  rDev -26.7%

ygtbsm94, Nov 22, 2011
Photo of spycow
3.75/5  rDev -8.3%

spycow, Jan 14, 2013
Photo of GRG1313
4.25/5  rDev +3.9%

GRG1313, Aug 15, 2012
Photo of kylehay2004
4.25/5  rDev +3.9%

I had this one right after the "Either". This one is also a single finger tan head on a jet black body, not much different. Aroma is much less sweet and full but not as strong with vanilla, oak, bourbon, roasted malt and chocolate all again present. The malt is more obvious as is the coffee acounting for the more semi dry mouthfeel. Bourbon, vanilla, chocolate again are well represented. The body is less full bodied, smooth and moderate carbonation. As with the Either, the hops are also fairly mild and almost noncontributory to the flavor.

kylehay2004, Apr 09, 2012
Photo of Knapp85
4.25/5  rDev +3.9%

OR poured out as a beautiful dark black color. It had a big brown thick head on top and looked very appealing. The lacing was very good on this one too. The smell of the beer was roasted and very hoppy much like the EITHER. The taste wasn't a whole lot different for each other also. Roasted and big citrusy hops on the tongue. The mouthfeel is heavy and tingles the taste buds. Overall I think I liked the OR just a little more than the EITHER. But both were fun to try and the only real downfall of them both was the price tag.

Knapp85, Jun 28, 2011
Photo of RblWthACoz
4.13/5  rDev +1%

This one is a bit spicy. I don't get the boozy edge on this one like I got on Either, but I think the hop spices help on that. A firm example of the style. Glad I was able to pick this one up when I was in Florida. Too bad it won't be a regular release.

RblWthACoz, Aug 30, 2012
Photo of nickfl
4.3/5  rDev +5.1%

A - Pours with half a finger of medium brown foam on top of an opaque, black body. The head settles rapidly and leaves light lace on the glass.

S - A spicy, smoky aroma of dark sugar with elements of chocolate, licorice, cinnamon, and a bit of pine.

T - Dark caramel and cola up front with a bit of vanilla. Brown, spicy notes in the middle with licorice, molasses, and cinnamon. Finishes with nutmeg, chicory, and coco as well as pine and moderate bitterness.

M - Medium body, moderate carbonation, and a fairly dry finish.

D - An interesting contrast to its twin brew, this one has a less sweet malt character. This helps to accentuate the spicy character and perhaps makes for a more drinkable brew. These beers have a stronger malt profile than most black IPAs and as a result seem to have held up well after over a year and a half in the bottle.

nickfl, Apr 09, 2012
Photo of MasterSki
3.8/5  rDev -7.1%

Thanks to Joey for this one. Served in a Sam Adams perfect pint glass.

A - Looks almost identical to Either, but with slightly more foam. More of a true 4.5 in appearance here.

S - This has less burnt character, and more dark chocolate. The hop character is more herbaceous, with some light catty notes.

T - Again, this is less bitter, with less of that burnt malt bitterness and char character I find in a lot of Cigar City offerings. Nice caramel flavors, honey, and solid hop bitterness in the finish.

M - Pleasant zesty carbonation, medium body, nice viscosity. Quite similar to Either.

D - This is quite similar, but I like it more as the burnt and char notes are more attenuated and there's a bit more balancing sweetness. I had this again on-tap at Cigar City and the draught seemed a bit fresher than the bottles.

MasterSki, Dec 15, 2010
Photo of drabmuh
3.85/5  rDev -5.9%

Poured into a Bruery tulip. Beer is black with a nice off white to tan head of small and medium bubbles that leaves some lacing on the glass. Carbonation low.

Aroma is complex, a little smoky, very woodsy, grapefruit hoppy, mildly malty sweet. Lots going on here, it seems that every time I smell it I get something different than the last time. With so many big aromas in here, they tend to clash and fight for dominance.

The taste is the same, well first its medium in body and mildly carbonated on the palate. Second, the palate is so crammed with flavors from hops, to wood / cedar, to a little smoke, I can't make a lot of sense from this beer. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON HERE! Every time I take a sip I think something different. For example, strong grapefruit in the first sip, second sip I get a lot of dryness and some smoke, third sip...I get sweetness medium body moderate finish. This beer is all over the map. I don't know what to think of it....I'm confused!

drabmuh, Dec 03, 2010
Photo of oline73
3.75/5  rDev -8.3%

oline73, Aug 13, 2013
Photo of mendvicdog
3.5/5  rDev -14.4%

mendvicdog, Aug 12, 2013
Photo of Rochefort10nh
4/5  rDev -2.2%

Rochefort10nh, Nov 18, 2011
Photo of Gueuzedude
4/5  rDev -2.2%

A vigorous pour into my Lost Abbey Teku glass produces a four finger thick, nicely browned, dark tan colored head. The beer is an approaching black, concentrated brown color that shows brown notes around the edges when held up directly to the light. This is extremely hoppy and fresh smelling with notes of tangelo zest, lychee and lots of herbal notes that contribute notes of pine and even some nutty hemp seed aromatics. There is a soft, supporting malt character here that provides notes of toasted / roasted malt and even hits of spicy grain (more crystal malt than rye). This really is quite hop dominated though; the fruit-leaning hop character also contributes notes of ruby red grapefruit juice, concentrated floral tropical fruit notes. At times the roast malt character is quite a bit noticeable (though still plays a secondary role), but at others it is quite consumed by the hop character. As the beer warms up a spiciness and a touch of hot alcohol starts to come out a bit more, though the fruity hop character is certainly still the dominant note.

Lightly sweet tasting up front, but it is hoppy enough that it has a certain dryness to it. As it rolls across the tongue an amped up fruit-hop character combines with the malt and accentuates a smooth sweetness; the combination provides flavors of lychee, orange blossom nectar, concentrated tangelo zest as well as kumquat zest flavors. The finish has an herbaceous hop bitterness to it that is a bit green at times and gets accentuated by a roast / burnt roast malt character. Despite how dark this beer is, the roast malt character is actually fairly subtle, really it is just that the hop character is quite aggressive and is most noticeable in the finish, though there is a touch of dark cocoa in the middle that subtly contributes to the flavor profile. The body of this beer has some viscosity to it and some heft, though the hops help to balance this out quite well and make this quite quaffable. There is a touch of heat that provides a warming to the finish of this beer. Toasted, woody and earthy notes are found here in the finish and contribute a complexity here that is quite nice.

This is quite nice and tasty, once again though I am of the opinion that the dark / roast malt is just getting in the way in this beer. It adds a harshness to the finish that accentuates a green, sharply herbal note towards the finish; traditional, pale malt IPAs provide a cleaner focus on the hop character that just works better. Having said that, this is still a thoroughly dominated, hop focused beer that will satisfy the inner cravings of your inner hop-head. I am almost done with this beer before I knew there was cedar used in this beer; it integrates quite well with the hop character and perhaps contributes an herbal, spicy and woody character that melds into similar hop notes. Interestingly enough it also integrates quite well with the toasted / roasted malt character as well. Actually in the end I would guess that the cedar character really helps to tie together the disparate roast character and aggressive hop notes quite a bit more than would otherwise be the case.

Gueuzedude, Mar 26, 2011
Photo of oriolesfan4
4.25/5  rDev +3.9%

oriolesfan4, Aug 12, 2013
Photo of InspectorBob
4/5  rDev -2.2%

InspectorBob, May 16, 2013
Photo of weeare138
4.05/5  rDev -1%

Appears a dark black with a small head of tan fluff that doesn't want to fade away. Scattered streaks of lacing are left around the glass.
Smell is of heavy citrus, roasted malt, cocoa, floral notes, caramel, and pine.
Taste is of the aromas with spritzy hop notes zinging along the back of the palate.
Mouthfeel is medium-full bodied, zingy, with a semi-dry citrusy finish.

weeare138, Dec 28, 2010
Photo of yourefragile
3.68/5  rDev -10%

12 oz bottle served in a snifter. Side-by-side with Either.

Pours a chocolate black with a light mocha head, slightly thinner and less fluffy than Either. Fades to a thin ringer of bubbles and broken film with transient streaks of thin lacing. Much more cedar and wood on the nose of Or than Either. Resembles more of a wood aged IPA than a stout like Either. Sweeter flavor than Either and slightly drier and less robust in the body. Much more drinkable, smooth and less boozy than Either. The hops have faded from a fresh sample, but there is still a citrus rind and woody cedar presence throughout. This was my favorite fresh and now aged for nearly a year so I'll declare this my winner in the set.

yourefragile, Aug 07, 2011
Photo of duceswild
3.5/5  rDev -14.4%

duceswild, Aug 13, 2013
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Or from Cigar City Brewing
91 out of 100 based on 167 ratings.