Cuvee De Tomme - The Lost Abbey

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Ratings: 1,103
Reviews: 405
rAvg: 4.22
pDev: 11.14%
Wants: 662
Gots: 262 | FT: 11
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California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  11.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: jcalabre on 06-14-2003

Once upon a time it was the most award winning Pizza Port beer of all time. Now it has found a new home at The Lost Abbey.

A massive brown ale base that is made from four fermentable sugars including Malted Barley, Raisins, Candi Sugar and Sour Cherries, this beer is fully fermented before being placed in Bourbon barrels where the beer ages for one year with the Sour Cherries and the wild Brettanomyces yeast that we inoculate the barrels with.
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Ratings: 1,103 | Reviews: 405
Photo of jvillefan
4.24/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.25

A: Deep brown body with a ruby tinge to it. Almost no head is present.

S: Very strange. There is intense sweetness from cherries. The malt comes in next with toffee and caramel notes.

T: Very sweet cherry starts it off. It then transitions to a rich caramel and toffee. The finish then comes back to cherry flavor without the associated sweetness.

M: Thick and silky body with very mild carbonation.

O: Great beer but a little sweet for my liking.

Photo of inlimbo77
4.05/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

12.7oz bottle, 2011 vintage
Lost Abbey tulip

A: Murky brown color. Really no carbonation ala Lost Abbey. Nearly still. No light gets through. Have to knock it for the carbonation.

S: Dark cherries. Booze. Sweetness. Tartness. Strange malt sweetness, almost brown sugar and toasted caramel a little bit.

T: Definitely get that tart cherry flavor up front. Continues throughout the palate. Definitely get on back end too, like a cranberry juice lingering. Overall flavor is like a Flanders Red almost. Can't believe ABV is as high as it is. Tastes lower. That tart cherry and malt balance. Dry tart finish.

M: Medium full bodied. No carbonation is a fail. Sucks.

Photo of popery
4.55/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

From notes, 1/31/11. Bottle. This is a delicious sour. It’s got tons of sour cherry flavor, but it doesn’t quite overwhelm the palate. Lots of acidity. Great pucker. Good funk in the aroma. Finishes dry and sour. It’s fairly complex, but the barrel notes kinda get lost. It’s a dark brownish red beer with no head, really. Very wine-ish. It’s one of the best from TLA and a wonderfully dry, fruity beer.

Photo of portia99
4.21/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

750ml bottle (2009) poured into an Old Guardian glass

A - pours a very clear mahogany color with a thin off white collar

S - raisins, tart cherries, brown sugar, powdered sugar, booze

T - tart, cherries, toffee and caramel

M - medium bodied, lower carbonation, tart, warming alcohol

O - very good beer, a bit on the fringes of the wild ale style with less focus on the sour and showing an even balance between the cherries and the malt in the flavors.

Photo of Trilogy31
3.76/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Vintage 2010 i am guessing based on when i picked this up. A murky dark brown with a slight rhubarb hue - zero head and zero carbonation. The nose and taste really mirror eachother minus a big acetic balsamic note on the finish. Notes of sour cherry, barrel, bourbon caramel, light tobacco, puckering citrus along with a rich malty note. Overall i enjoyed this complex beer but it was undone by its complete lack of carbonation.

Photo of Chaney
4.7/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This was sent to me by biglobo8971 way back in the day. Thanks Brandon!

Served in an Olde Hickory glass.

A: Poured a grape juice color, with almost no head to speak of (BA brews rarely do), maybe just a couple of mounds of bubbles.

S: Like a fine red wine with a sour twist. Sour cherries, vanilla, a bit of wood. Very potent indeed.

T: Perhaps I took to big of a gulp because my jaw just locked. I definitely good the richness from the quad upfront, but the late mid to the finish was pure sour cherry jubilee. I didn't get any bourbon taste, but the smooth, buttery, velvety finish could have been none other.

M: Pretty thick as far as these wild yeast beers go, somewhat acidic, but not totally a sour bomb. After a few sips, once the palate warm up to the flavors and sensations, the brew becomes somewhat smoother and creamier. No lacing left on the glass.

O: Totally blown away here. This is the best beer I've had so far in 2013.

Photo of cosmicevan
3.32/5  rDev -21.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Notes from a tasting on 12/6. Big thanks to mike for the share.

Enjoyed from a lost abbey teku. vintage 2009?

bottle opened WITHOUT a pop (uh oh). pours still as the night. maroonish purple. smells super sour and rubbery. tastes like a brown ale with some funk and oak. definitely sour. rubbery sourness. i wish it was the beer without the barrel since the base beer seems interesting. little acetone, some heat, but flat like crazy...overally drinkable, but the lack of carbonation is a big let down.

Photo of dirtylou
3.92/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

on-tap, brouwers

appearance: 12oz pour in an unbranded snifter, muddy amber body, soapy white suds and a light filmy lace

smell: bourbon, tart and sweet cherry, oak, brown sugar

taste:intermingling of tart and sweet cherries, moderate notes of bourbon, oak, vanilla and brown sugar, raisin and caramel. Interesting, but not all it was cracked out to be.

mouthfeel: light tartness, oily, light bourbon bite

overall: pretty good - would have a hard time justifying the sticker price on a bottle though

Photo of jaasen64
4/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at Lord Hobo for a Night with Tomme Arthur. 12oz serving in a tulip glass.

A- Dark reddish murky brown, pretty much completely opaque, a thin brownish head that leaves layered lacing, decent carbonation.

S- Chocolate, cherries, some very light vinegar funk and oak hiding in the background. Above average aroma strength, fairly sweet, not as sour as I was expecting.

T- Dark fruits, mostly cherries, some plum, tiny bit of raisins, some oak and bourbon, a light tartness on the finish but more sweet then anything.

M- Medium bodied, can detect a little bit of the abv but for 11% it is very well hidden and easy to drink, moderate carbonation.

O- This was a decent sour that I definitely enjoyed drinking. It wasn't as tart as I was hoping for, but the oak and dark fruits provided a nice taste and aroma to the beer. Not my favorite beer of the night, but well done. At $7/glass I would consider having it again and I'd recommend trying it.

Photo of reto21
4.12/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2010 Vintage from brick store pub

A: Dark, murky brown body. Very little head, more like a soapy white film develops, but does stick around throughout the tasting. Surprisingly a good amount of silky lacing remains and really boosts the beers appearance.

S: Cherries, sour notes, not overpowering and have a nice sugary undertone. Light hints of bourbon that builds as the beer warms. Caramel and raison notes poke through on the tail end and become quite potent later in the tasting.

T: Pow, that will wake up your taste-buds. Cherry flavors are infused with sour notes. Bourbon and caramel hints are a nice contrast and really round out this beer nicely.

M: Very low to no carbonation, still highly drinkable.

O: I really enjoyed this glad i got to try it

Photo of Sarlacc83
2.17/5  rDev -48.6%
look: 1 | smell: 4 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

375mL courtesy of Shane. Thanks! 2012 vintage.

A: Murky brown with no lacing. This is completely flat. Damn.

N: Cherries and bourbon. Vanilla and caramel. The sourness rises just above the cherries. And there are a lot of cherries here. Marionberry and prune. The smell is quite pleasant.

T: Muddy. Lots of sour cherries mixed with an overpowering sweetness of caramel and bitter chocolate. I admittedly cringed a bit. I've had this before, and it s not nearly as weird, I swear. There is so much cherry here, and it might be the saving grace. If this beer had one. Vinegar and acetone. Honey - almost like a mead.

M: Slick and oily and sharp. Not good.

O: I really don't understand what happened here. Last time I got a bottle of this (a 750mL) this was sublime. Tart and sharp and perfect. This is an unmitigated disaster. And I have one more. With any luck, this will taste good in 2014. And if it seems I'm being overly harsh, it's because I know how good this beer can be.

Photo of pigc
3.67/5  rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - Pours a dark, murky brown with a minimal head that fades quickly

S - Tart cherries, alcohol, figs, raisins, plum, bourbon.

T - Tart cherry and raspberries up front followed by a wave of semi sweet bourbon and raisins. Picking up some spice, almost a cinnamon taste on the finish. Somewhat medicinal.

M - Medium bodied with decent carbonation. Decent tartness and acidity.

O - This one is sweet and sour. Somewhat over the top for me. I like the idea of trying to meld the tartness with the sweet bourbon qualities but it seems to lack that cohesion that brings them together.

Photo of oline73
3.97/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a 2009 bottle that Tomme brought to the DC Lost Abbey tasting. Poured from the bottle into a tasting snifter.

Appearance: The beer pours a reddish dark mahogany color with almost no head at all.

Smell: Tart red berries with some mild roast and caramel notes. Nice.

Taste: Lots of red fruit sourness up front. A mild caramel malt like sweetness. Some vinegar sourness as well. There is a bitterness that shows up in the finish along with the fruit and tartness.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tingly carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This is one of the better dark sours I've had. I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Photo of augustgarage
4.03/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2010 Vintage - Poured from a 375mL bottle into my Drie de Fonteinen tumbler.

A vigoros pour produces only the most transient evidence of carbonation. A turbid cordovan/bole liquid admits no light and supports not so much as a surface slick. No legs or lacing.

Lovely barrel-derived aromatics suggest bourbon and dark red wine in equal measure. Vanilla, tobacco, mulberry, and more are suggested, albeit delicately, in the nose.

Potent, tart, leathery palate entry is packed with flavor, yet restrained and well integrated. Low but deep vinuous quality emerges along with hints of wood. A dark malt element contributes a touch of burnt sugar, but the sourness and aged flavors prevent the beer from ever tasting sweet. Dry, dusty, tannic, nearly smokey finish.

Medium-light bodied, with no carbonation, though not necessarily a fault with this style at least...

Judgment Day is here transformed into something closer resembling a wine than an ale. Careless with the carbonation perhaps, but the flavor is superior, comparing well to some of the best offerings from Rodenbach in fact...will re-visit when I get around to cracking open my 2009 vintage.

Photo of t420o
4.46/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Cuvee de Tomme

Bottle from the brewery
 

A- pours a murky rose/purple/blackish color. No head or lacing. 3  

S- like red wine with a little bourbon and cherries. 4.5 

T- supurb. Very wine like with some bourbon and cherries like the smell. Awesome f'n beer. Nice and sour just like I like it. 4.5  

M- good mouthfeel. A bit thick. Light carbonation but it is there. 4 

O- a wonderful beer that was an absolute pleasure to have. I'd love to have a case of this. 5

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Photo of chugalug06
2.27/5  rDev -46.2%
look: 1 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.5

Brown color brew. No carbonation, head, lacing, or desirable characteristics.

Nice sour brown (with cherry) scent. Tart, sweet, and fruity. Slight wet cardboard.

FLAT, dry, and Zero carbonation. Horrible, tart, musky copper taste. No heat, but weird distracting bitterness. The initial cherry/apple flavor is nice, but once the brew reaches the back of your tongue its horrible.

The only thing nice about this brew is the scent. sadly, this brew ended up as a drain pour... I hope to try it again, when LA figures out how to produce carbonation, but not at the $18 price tag.

Photo of WillCarrera
4.32/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

375 ml bottle, no bottled-on date, poured into a tulip. Can't find a date on this anywhere, presumably the 2011 vintage.

A- Pours a dark, murky raisin/brown color. Produces no head or lacing whatsoever.

S- Very complex aroma, some tart cherries mixed with a sweet, fruity aroma of raisins and figs as well as caramel, toffee, vanilla, and bourbon and oak. Moderately boozy. It smells great, there's a lot going on here.

T- Pretty awesome, initial rush of cherry, lactic tartness recedes into a sweet center of bourbon, caramel, toffee, oak and vanilla. Lingering sweetness in the finish, nothing cloying, lots of barrel character towards the end.

M- Medium to full bodied, carbonation is low but still has enough to not be totally flat, has a very dry, tannic finish.

O- This is a damn awesome beer, the flavors are delicious and extremely complex, drinkability is pretty good for such a big beer, alcohol is well-masked for the most part. It's a bit pricey, but this is a really enjoyable beer overall.

Photo of Rutager
3.29/5  rDev -22%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Purchased from the brewery last month, poured into two stemmed Lost Abbey tulips and shared with DaftCaskBC.

Appearance. Very turbid maroon-brown with no head to speak of.

Smell. Sweet, sweet fruits; cherries and berries, some sherry and cognac with some barrel wood and vanilla.

Taste. Caramel raisins, sweet cherries, red wine, wood and a little sherry.

Mouthfeel. Medium-full body with almost no carbonation.

Overall. Very interesting beer, lots of flavours going on here but they don't work very well together for me.

Photo of DaftCaskBC
2.27/5  rDev -46.2%
look: 2 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1.5

Thanks to Rutager.

A: No head over turbid brown liquid.

S: Buttery, fatty, apples, malt vinegar.

T: Butter, malt vinegar, raisins, and apples.

M: medium viscosity and carbonation.

O: not very tasty or drinkable. Won't be visiting this one again any time soon

Photo of ColForbinBC
4.34/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

On-tap, served in a snifter

The body sits a still, muddy chestnut brown with a reddish tan cap that sits about one finger before settling to a thin collar. No visible carbonation.

The nose is seriously sour. Notes of sour cherries, leather, wine barrel oak, dry tobacco, rum soaked raisins...just a ton of lactic sourness.

Intensely sour. Rum soaked raisins blend with wine barrel oak before sour cherries take over. Tobacco and leather lend some drying notes that complement the sourness well. The finish is overly sour with cherry juice.

Medium body with low carbonation. Nothing really mind bending about the feel.

This is a world class sour that delivers on all fronts.

Photo of BlackBelt5112203
4.18/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 4

Big thanks to FosterJM for this one!

375 mL bottle poured into a tulip at cellar temperature. I worked for about 5 minutes to rip this cork off. Man, was that thing in there.

L - Ruby-brown color with a few brown bubbles that develop as a head. Quickly dissipates into a few bubbles around the glass at the liquid’s edge and an oil slick on the beer surface in the center. Actually a tiny bit of lacing with the small number of bubbles that are present.

S - Complex aroma here. The vinegar acidity from Acetobacter and/or Lactobacillus is definitely here, along with a subtle mustiness possibly from Brettanomyces. There’s a solid presence of cherries and a subtle grape aroma from the wine barrels. There are also some woody and vanilla aromas here, probably from the bourbon barrels. Maybe a tiny bit of alcohol present, but it could just be the acidity. Smells just like I hoped it would.

T - Cherry, grape, and vanilla sweetness appears up front and quickly develops into cherry and grape sourness. This tongue-tickling, almost mouth-puckering sourness builds and eventually gives way to a dry, woody mustiness.

F - Light-bodied, no carbonation whatsoever, tingling mouthfeel from the acidity, and a nicely dry finish. Sourness lingers for a nice amount of time, but the mustiness and dryness sticks around for longer. Due to the light body and complete lack of carbonation, it feels rather thin. Feels very much like wine.

O - This was very tasty and perfectly sour enough to be drinkable (as opposed to a sipper). It smells and tastes great but the lack of body really holds this one back. It drinks way more like wine than beer due to the ABV, flavors and aromas, and lack of carbonation. That being said, it was a very enjoyable sour, the ABV was hidden extraordinarily well, and I’m very, very glad that I got to try it.

Photo of tobelerone
3.26/5  rDev -22.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

What a strange and obviously, divisive beer. Pours a murky looking brown with reddish highlights; pretty much no head or lacing at all. The expected lack carbonation, I see. Aroma is full and complex, oak, sour cherries, vinegar, vinous notes, dark fruits. Flavor follows suit. Lots of sour cherry, woody, oaky notes, a fair amount of vinegar, booze goes completely undetected.

The mouthfeel is where this beer really kind of petered out for me. It’s nearly still, medium-thin bodied, but totally lacking life, so it feels closer to wine than anything else, and more like a poorly cellared, past-its-prime vinegar mess. Some lively carbonation would really give this beer some drinkability and character that I felt was sorely lacking. Watery.

It’s an interesting bottle and I was glad to have tried it. There is a lot of complexity here and it’s certainly thought-provoking. However in the end I found it to be a bit of a failure, and I like sours. There’s just not enough that’s appealing here, and certainly not at the price this one goes for. If you like old vinegar wine or stale cider you may enjoy this but I certainly wouldn’t buy or trade for this one again.

Photo of ThePorterSorter
4/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Review #300

The beer pours a deep dark brown with no head and little carbonation. It looks like ripe cherries and is definitely getting me hyped to taste. The smell is also incredibly ripe cherries with a subtle touch of brine and sourness. An absolutely lovely taste follow through with a dry, sour aftertaste mixed with cherry sweetness. It's definitely got a slightly medicinal aftertaste, but there's so much going on it's not distracting. It's a super drinkable sour with notes of deep pit fruits and screams cherries. Worth trying for sure.

Photo of TotallyHosed
4.03/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to dimce for the bottle.

I've scored this one below average in the appearance category, because there is no head. However, beyond this one criticism, the brew looks good. It's a dark reddish brown that allows no light to pass.

The nose is the best aspect of this beer, because it is rather complex. I pick up sour cherries, vanilla extract soaked raisins, and some wine barrel.

The flavor does not reach the excellence of the nose, but comes real close. The sour cherries dominate the flavor, but do not hide the complexity. Following the cherries is what I'm still calling vanilla extract soaked raisins. This must be the bourbon barrel notes mingling with the raisins or mingling with the wine barrel notes. The aftertaste is a little tart and sour, but it's the vanilla, wood and raisins that linger.

The feel is rather light and free of carbonation.

Overall this is a great beer. The complexity of the nose and palate are what make me respect the brew. Although there is no head or carbonation, I don't think this detracts from the overall experience. I'm going to acquire another bottle next year.

Photo of mattsander
4.11/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

A: The bottle is almost totally flat with only the faintest indication of any bubbles. Deep brown and very murky. This is not an attractive beer to look at.

S: Sweet rummy quadruple vibe with burnt sugar, a bit of booze & raisins. Lactic sourness melds beautifully with vanilla oak-barrel character. Some butterscotch elements. Very complex, very appetizing, I love it.

T: It's interesting how the acidity of CdT changes my perception of typical quadruple flavors. All the elements I love in a quad are present but they brightened up significantly by the cherries, pedio and lacto. Lots of oak, raisins. Finds a very appetizing balance between sweet and sour. Little to no vinegar character which is ideal.

M: It's really a shame that my bottle wasn't carbonated. I think this could have been a truly spectacular beer had the bottle conditioning gone better.

O: Despite the carbonation blunder this is a delicious and highly complex beer. I'd buy it again.

Cuvee De Tomme from The Lost Abbey
94 out of 100 based on 1,103 ratings.