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Cuvee De Tomme - The Lost Abbey

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Ratings: 1,041
Reviews: 401
rAvg: 4.21
pDev: 11.4%
Wants: 647
Gots: 259 | FT: 13
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The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  11.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: jcalabre on 06-14-2003

Once upon a time it was the most award winning Pizza Port beer of all time. Now it has found a new home at The Lost Abbey.

A massive brown ale base that is made from four fermentable sugars including Malted Barley, Raisins, Candi Sugar and Sour Cherries, this beer is fully fermented before being placed in Bourbon barrels where the beer ages for one year with the Sour Cherries and the wild Brettanomyces yeast that we inoculate the barrels with.
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Photo of Alieniloquium
4.62/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

750 mL bottle poured into a goblet. Thanks to Ynot2 for this bottle.

Appearance - Deep murky reddish brown body. An aggressive pour yields a good size head, which I suppose I should be grateful for, considering the Lost Abbey reputation.

Smell - Mostly cherries. Tart and a bit of funk to start. Behind the initial tartness is a nice vanilla and slight bourbon flavor. I probably only taste the bourbon since it said bourbon on the label, though. What I do like is how the tartness returns in the finish.

Mouthfeel - Nice carbonation, surprise! I kinda don't like how dry it is in the finish, but such is the loss of drinking sours.

Overall - Delicious beer. I would like more of the original quad to come through, but as a sour it is near perfection.

Photo of BdubleEdubleRUN
4.17/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2011 bottle.
A-Pours a very hazy dark reddish brown, with an aggressive pour creates a few bubbles that fade quickly.
S- Vinegar, malt, oak, a certain sour aroma
T- Tart fruits, vinegar, cherries, bourbon, vanilla, red wine grapes.
M-Low carbed, medium body.
O-Would drink again.

Photo of cjacobsen
4.35/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to sweemzander for cracking this one!

2009 small bottle.

(A) Dark ruby, almost brown. No head. Looks flat.

(S) Smells of cherry and sour tartness. Light sugars. Some raisin.

(T) There's a decent amount of raisin in the front of the taste. The raisin blends with cherry to give it some weight. There's a lot of dark fruits and some vinegar. There is a hint of red/dark grape toward the end.

(M) It's pretty flat, but it's forgivable. Very smooth and somewhat oily.

(O) It's a lot like beefed up juice. It's really good but not as tart as I had expected.

Photo of harrymel
2.44/5  rDev -42%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Most recent release: 2010 Blend (I believe)

A: after requiring a crab claw to grip this bitch of a cork and pull out, I finally pop this one only to find the beer does not even toot out the tip of this cork. So I pour it, then it lands in the glass, rolls around and simply sits. No bubbles. No head. I can get a nice reddish brown color when light comes through.

S: Cherries, oak, hint of vanilla, tannic and inky nose. Tart. Sometimes smells like laser ink toner.

T: Very woody, very cherry, very oak. Tannic at the finish. Hints of bitter manure flavor on the back end as well. Quite sour I guess I should mention. Some hints of plum as the beer warms a bit.

M: There is a hint of carbonation here. Pretty warm as well from the alcohol. Thick slick on the finish after my body restores from the dryness initially.

O: Well, it's sour. It's low in carbonation. It's hot. It's got potential. Just not my bag. Still pretty pathetic for carbonation, but at least it's not infected (per se).

Photo of Brew33
3.84/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Received this beer via trade with BitterBill. Thanks Bill!

I was lucky enough to get a 2009 Vintage with proper carb. The cork made a very slight pop upon extraction.

The appearance was nothing to write home about. Muddy dark red/brown in color. A thin layer of bubbles along the edge of the glass.

The aroma was really nice. Dark fruits, brown sugar, tart cherries, red wine, oak, leather, and a little bit of Brett. Very complex and interesting.

The taste was perfectly in line with all the aromas but a little off. It was a little hot and didn't taste quite as complex as the nose would lead me to believe. The bourbon barrels impart little bourbon flavor. Just a subdued Oakiness. I would have liked this beer to have a little bit better marriage of sweet and tart. The tart aspects of the beer are in your face! Very sour at times while the sweetness and alcohol are very forward as well. This is an intense experience! The mouthfeel was a little lacking. A touch more carb would be a good thing as this beer can feel big and chewy at times.

Overall, I'm very happy I was able to try this beer and I can say for sure I've never had another beer quite like this. I think it could be tweaked a little more to get it just right but all in all, this is a very interesting, very good beer.

Photo of Janderson91
3.77/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 1 | overall: 3.5

Got a bottle at The Porter Beer Bar in Atlanta, GA. Not sure of the bottling date. Enjoyed on 07/20/11.

A - Hoping for a nice "pop" when the cork is removed, but of course, I'm disappointed. Poured into a Lost Abbey tumbler. Pours an opaque muddy brown or very dark red color with absolutely no head whatsoever. Leaves no lacing.

S - Dark fruits, cherries, wood, tannins, vanilla and some funky and vinegar aroma also. Smells good.

T - Starts out sweet with some malt and the vanilla from the barrel, then recedes to a good oak and cherry tartness with some sweetness from the raisins as well. Finish is all cherries and lingers or a while with no carbonation.

M - The mouthfeel is just awful. No carbonation at all which I think is necessary for a good wild.

O - Overall, this beer has a lot of potential and could be excellent with the proper carbonation.

Photo of metter98
4.35/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is very dark brownish amber in color and poured with a thin ring of bubbles around the edge of the glass.
S: There are light to moderately strong aromas of tart cherries in the nose.
T: Similar to the smell, the taste is filled with flavors of oak, cherries and vanilla. The tartness from the cherry flavors seems to have been muted from the oak aging.
M: It feels medium-bodied and very smooth on the palate and has a light amount of carbonation.
O: The beer is very good after aging because it becomes a lot smoother and much of the tartness in the cherry flavors is eliminated.

Note: 2005 Vintage

Photo of Urbancaver
4.12/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a murky reddish brown with no head to speak of. Smells heavily of cherry with a nice tartness. Tastes cherry heavy and very tart. Fairly flat but thick and viscous. The tartness is pretty nice but i wish it had some carbonation. Overall it's okay but definitely doesn't live up to my expectation

Photo of Gfunk720
4.08/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Special thanks to Bill for this 750ml from 2009. Out of a interesting glass I found.

A- Bottle opens to a nice Pop! which was a relief. Pours very dark brown with a touch of Amber/Red. The head is tannish/brown, but fades very quickly.

S- I get quite a bit of funk, sour cherries, and figs. I also get some notes of oak and vanilla. It has a slight sweetness, but is more sour than I expected.

T- It is very vinegary and sour at first, with hints of the quad coming through. The flavor transitions to sour cherries and funk. I again get some vanilla, oak, as well as some grape skins, and red wine.

M- Pretty nice. Could have a little bit more body, but was easy to drink. There is a nice bit of carbonation, which was fitting for the styling.

O- Overall this is much different than I expected. The sour cherries and funk is very prevalent in this beer, while the quad and bourbon is very subdued. The sourness however is excellent, and a perfect compliment to the base.

-GFunk

Photo of tmoneyba
4.47/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured a hazy reddish brown color with minimal fizzy off-white head with virtulally no lacing. Moderate to heavy sour cherry, yeast and brown sugar aroma. Medium to full body and a smooth texture and flat carbonation. Medium to heavy sour & sweet flavor with a medium to heavy sweet & sour finish of moderate to long duration. This is a complex beer.

Photo of DovaliHops
4.21/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 4

2011 Vintage. Pours a very murky brown color with a beautiful red hue when held up to the light. No head whatsoever... bummer. Scent is fantastically tart with some nice chocolatey notes...very unique. As the beer warms up, I get a delightful chocolate covered cherry aroma. Smells VERY inviting. Taste initially sweet chocolate flavors, immediately followed by tart cherries. Dark fruits and chocolate are much more distinct than I had imagined. Not mouth-puckering sour, but a little tart. Finishes with some lovely oak, bourbon, vanilla, and chocolate covered cherry flavors. Very complex. Nice alcohol burn at the end due to the high ABV. Mouthfeel is vinous and creamy...severely lacking in carbonation. This beer has potential to be all 5's if it were well carbonated. Drinkability is fairly high...it is a sipper, but it is VERY delicious. Overall, this beer drinks more like a wine due to no carbonation. The aromas and flavors blow my mind though!

Photo of Sideswipe
3.99/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

2011 Batch. Corked and caged 375 into a Patron Sinner stem.

The beer pours a muddy mahogany brown color. No head. The slightest ring of miniscule bubbles forms around the outside of the glass. At least its something.

Very interesting nose, vinegar, cherries and bourbon mingle with tart funk. Taste is a melange of of flavors woven together in a wonderfully sour, tart tapestry. Sour cherries up front give way to notes of oak, bourbon and vanilla. A puckering tartness manifests itself mid palate and fades to a lingering sour aftertaste. Alcohol is masterfully hidden by the intricate blend of funk, bourbon and sour cherries.

Mouthfeel is where things go a bit awry. The beer is medium to full bodied, which is fine, but the exeedingly low level of carbonation really takes away from the experience. A healthy dose of bubbles would really serve to accentuate the complex relationships between all the different flavors at work in this brew.

Overall Cuvee de Tomme is a very good beer that could be phenomenal with the help of a bit more carbonation. My bottle was not completely flat, but it was far from fizzy. I enjoyed it nonetheless, and consider it another solid offering from Lost Abbey. Looking forward to my next bottle.

Photo of awinkro
3.82/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

This review pertains to a 2011 CdT I had over the weekend.

No pop, what-so-ever. It's a shame, I've had this beer in a few other vintages, and they were stellar. Easily top-tier sours, however this was uninspiring.

A: Beautiful beer...however no lacing, no head no bubbles, but beautiful dark ruby color.

S: Dark fruit, sour aroma...very complex. Lots of oak, bourbon. This could have all been amplified with some carbonation.

T: Same with smell, all the complexities could have been brought out even more with some carb. Lots of dark fruit, oak, seriously sour.

M: This is where CdT loses...w/out the bubble, the tart and sourness are brought to a silent mumble.

O: Tomme Arthur has made some of the best beers I've ever had, however has disappointed me the same amount of times I've been blown away.

Photo of VaTechHopHead
4.14/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2009 Vintage

A - Pours almost dead flat (no head) with a rich mahogany brown color and hazy. Leaves no lace and a small trace of carbonation can be seen on the top. For a wild ale I was expecting much more carbonation/head.

S - VERY tart with a rich wood aroma in the background. The cherries pair very well with the wood. The raisins and bourbon are somewhat lost IMO and don't come forward as much as I would have hoped. Still very impressive overall.

T - Quite intense...the flavors of wood and cherries first come to the palate and then the sour yeast esters join the party. Again, the raisins aren't easy to pick up but their sweetness is hinted at in the flavor. Everything blends very well with the dry wood and tart cherries melding together very nicely.

M - Medium body with a super dry aftertaste. Vanishes from the palate semi-quickly but the dryness makes one want another sip quickly. The ABV is undetected in flavor but it's warmth can be detected after a few sips.

O - Not my favorite beer from Lost Abbey but given the degree of difficult this one is to make it is very impressive. It's a solid beer with simple ingredients that come together to make a solid offering.

Photo of scbrew
4.55/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours opaque brown, thin head. Great complexity! Bretty nose, slight sour cherry and blackberry notes. Very slight bourbon character comes out as it warms. Alcohol warms the throat. What an awesome "malt beverage". Make sure you don't serve it too cold, you will miss out on a lot. I have done a 3 year vertical tasting and it definitely gets better with age, although it all vintages are good right now.

Photo of Viciousknishs
4.56/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A- pours a dark brown with a garnet tinge. No head because the carbonation is rather low but it completely works.

S- starts out with tart tannic acidity up front. Rich esters mingle in with big tart cherry notes. Amazing soft oak and sweet caramel bourbon tones mingle in with the sour notes. Finishs with a dry raisin with a red vineous Flanders note.

T- very fruity up front with subdued dark raisin and big tart cherry pie filling with an even loving acidity. Dusty tannins come in with notes of vanilla. The oak balances out the acidity with spicey bourbon and soft French oak. Finishs dry and vineous with a doughy malt character. Dry raisins and bourbon lasts long into the aftertaste with a palpable acidity.

MF- mouthfeel is slick and coating. A miniscule sip will rupture all over the palate. Slightly syrupy robust medium body with extremely low carbonation.

D- can't taste the alcohol one bit. It is hidden behind the huge flavors. Still a slow sipper because I never want it to end!

Photo of pmccallum86
4.36/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

The cork pulls off without the slightest pop, but after all what would you expect from Lost Abbey. Pours a very cherry color with no head.

Smell is of tart cherries, lots of tart cherries. Some slight bourbon and oak as well.

Very weird taste, tons of tart sourness with a bourbon finish. Oaky vanilla comes through as well with a dry tannin finish from the wine barrels, very good.

Mouthfeel is very dry with almost no carbonation.

Overall this is a great beer, a little carbonation would be nice though.

Photo of jwinship83
4.23/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

375ml corked and caged bottle that was traded to me by mashmaster. thanks! drank from my russian river "tion" glass. the most current batch, which i guess is 2009?

A- as soon as i remove the cage, the cork goes flying out of the bottle and beer gushes up from the neck! just joking, it comes out silently. the beer pours a flat looking murky dark brown colored body with no head. no lacing left on the sides of the glass.

S- i really love the nose on this one. brown sugar and raisins start it out with a nice sweet base. very vinous. tart cherries, a little bit of barnyard like funk. a little bit of lactic sourness. vanilla from the oak barrel. the alcohol is pretty well hidden. fantastic.

T- the brown sugar and raisins that i could smell come back in the taste and lay out a nice sweet base. lots of cherry and other wine like notes. sour, but not overly so. a little bit of barnyard funk shows up from time to time. vanilla from the time spent in the barrel. the alcohol shows up throughout.

M- the body is on the upper side of medium. the carbonation is on the extreme low side of light. sour but not puckering.

O- the lack of carbonation killed the score on this, but i still really enjoyed it. i would love to get my hands on one of the older/carbonated bottles. i remember liking this bottled version much more than the one at EBF. palate fatigue?

Photo of Brewbro000
2.69/5  rDev -36.1%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2.5

A- Pours a dark, molasses color and viscosity into my snifter. There is not even a hint of carbonation on this beer which is a huge bummer but not something i can say i didn't expect considering the brewery...I like my beers with at least some life and while i expect head to be minimal considering the style and alcohol content, this one just isn't cutting it...

S- Thick sugars and rasins with a hint of oak but alcohol is also very apparent on this one. Not much noticeable sour or tart aromas coming out of this glass but I'll let it warm up anyway

T- Taste also reveals that there is no carbonation. Flavors start out mildly sweet with some lemony tartness/bitterness in the forefront. As i let it rest i my mouth i get some chocolatey, maltyness that i didn't expect to see in this one. Certainly not as boozy as the nose would lead me to believe. Sweetness from the cherries and attenuation leaves a sugar bubble in my throat, something i only want in a RIS.

M- viscous and dead

O- Not my favorite offering, too sweet and under carbonated. If it were more lively i could have easily bumped the score up substantially.

Photo of stakem
2.89/5  rDev -31.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On tap at Monk's Cafe served in a 12+ ounce octogon glass. The brew appears murky dark brown with a few bubbles around the edge of the glass. When held to the light, it appears with lighter brown coloration along the edges with some red hues. A swirl revives a few bubbles but fails to produce a head.

The smell of this is dark sugary alcohol coupled with chocolate malt. Some sweet barrel presence is here with a mild touch of oak and vanilla. The overall impression left in the nose is that of raisins soaked in alcohol. Some deep earthy character developes as the brew warms.

The taste of this brew is deep and fruity with alcohol mixed with a presence of raisins and chocolate malt. No surprise here based off of the aroma. The alcohol is prevalent coupled with a very mild barrel presence. Each sip makes me think of molasses, dark caramelized sugar, raisins and a light touch of yeast.

This is a full bodied brew that is undercarbonated. Big booze and sweetness is a constant reminder of raisins soaked in alcohol. I could not finish my glass, I had a hard time finishing but 5-6 ounces of this. I've had this brew before and based on that experience and the reassurance of this brew's description makes me believe that something different was going in here. It is grossly under-attenuated, undercarbonated and displayed zero of the described character of tart cherries and "wild" barrel influence. I have a bottle which I will end up reviewing but I seriously hope it doesn't taste like this.

Photo of oglmcdgl
4.3/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On tap at monks.

A- no head just a thin line of tan around the glass. Very dark brown with a deep red glow at the edges.

S- burnt brown sugar and dark bread with a light sour funk to it. Touches of spice and sweet. Very interesting nose, smells like a quad but then there's something else.

T- opens up with a big sour tart fruity flourish that rolls into a rich dark sweetness. Brown sugar on top of dark toasted whole wheat bread. Complex layers of bready grains and funky wood keep the palate guessing. Slight vinous notes and some earthy herbal undertones. Complex stuff.

M- a few steps above medium in body and a tick below medium in carb. Good pucker.

O- didn't know what to think about this brew but after I spent my time with it I'm very impressed and really enjoyed it. Interesting and fun, I'm really glad I got to try this on draft since the bottles seem to have many issues.

Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.66/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a murky dark brown color with no head. An oily film develops on the top of the beer and there is some floating sediment that sinks to the bottom of the glass. There is no lacing whatsoever. Smells of vinegar, sour cherries, and funk/must. Taste is of sour cherries, malt vinegar, wood, and funk/must. There is an alcohol presence in the throat after each sip. There is no carbonation on this beer. Extremely flat and somewhat drying in the mouth. Overall, this is a nice smelling and tasting beer but the appearance and mouthfeel kill it for me. This would be awesome if the carbonation issue were fixed. Disappointing for the $15.99 I paid for the small bottle.

Photo of Alpar
4.09/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Again big thanks to Trappistlover for this one!

2010 Vintage poured into snifter.

A: Dark red with very very very little carb bibbles on the outer ring. I know this beer is said to always be flat so I expected such.

S: Really nice, acidic vinegar smell with some cherries and maybe a little spice in there. I don't smell any of the bourbon though. Smells a lot like a red wine actually.

T: Great, like the smell acidic, but really well blended with the other flavors. I definitely taste the cherries but I am also getting peach and sour apple, outstanding. The lack of carbonation isn't really bothering me.

M: Dry and flat, but truly not bad.

O: This beer far surpassed my expectations. I loved it. The carbonation wasn't a problem for me, however if there was a bit more this beer would definitely rank higher and be on a whole other level. Worth the hunt if you're into sours.

Photo of lestat314
4.5/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

at lost abbey 5th anniversary party, was served a bottle of 2009 vintage.

A- very dark brown with hues of ambers and auburns, very little to no head to speak of.

S- tart cherries and oak, slight caramel and funk. very interesting.

T- again tart cherries but not overwhelming sourness very nice and clean taste through the middle and finishes with more cherries begging you to drink more.

M- refreshing and much lighter in my mouth than i expected from the color.

O- epic beer. i want more.

Photo of khumbard
4.33/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

2010 bottle poured into a snifter. Thanks to my brother for this bottle.

A - Pours a still murky brown. No carbonation, no head, no lacing. Not unexpected... but still not good.

S - Whoa... here we go. I get bourbon barrel, vanilla, some mild tart funkiness, and cherries. Very nice.

T - This beer is damn tasty. A very interesting combination of bourbon barrel dark belgian frutiness, wine barrel tannins, tart cherries, raisins, maybe some chocolate, and finishes with a light burn from the 11% abv.

M - The lack of carbonation kills this one... tingly from the tartness, with a slight drying finish from the high abv and the wine-like tannins.

O - Overall... if this beer were carbonated even a little bit, it would be world class. There is a lot going on, and it does work well together. I'm very glad to have tried this beer, but probably wouldn't seek it out again due to the carbonation factor. This has been beat to death... but c'mon Lost Abbey... carbonation is not that difficult unless youre bottling unblended lambic, which you are not. End rant. Very tasty beer.

Cuvee De Tomme from The Lost Abbey
94 out of 100 based on 1,041 ratings.