Veritas 002 - The Lost Abbey

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Ratings: 44
Reviews: 32
rAvg: 4.04
pDev: 15.84%
Wants: 114
Gots: 2 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
Belgian Strong Dark Ale |  ABV ?

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Floydster on 11-10-2007

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 44 | Reviews: 32
Reviews by satowns:
Photo of satowns
2.88/5  rDev -28.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

finally posting review; tasted summer 2008 alongside veritas 01, 03 and cuvee and westy 8 and 12.

from Tomme: "sour base with Redstone blackberry mead and Old Viscosity"

murky garnett color, decent head retention.

scents of black malt, alcohol and dried fruits.

faint brett/horseyness. slight salty/soy character. Light fruit; blackberry. Light and bright. flavor is not very clean; muddled. could benefit from extended aging.

This beer doesnt really stand out. its not bad in any sense. I think i just had the veritas up on a's not screaming for me to come back. I appreaciate the artistic effort that Tomme continues to put on table!

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Photo of glid02
4.07/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Grant - many thanks!

Pours a murky brownish-amber color with a half-finger slightly off-white head. The head recedes into a wispy layer on top leaving decent lacing.

Smells of light chocolate and dark fruits - raisins and dried plums - along with hints of funk. Also present are hints of lightly tart berry aromas.

Tastes similar to how it smells but less complex. Dark malt flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by moderately sweet dark fruit flavors. Midway through the sip the fruit flavors lighten up just a bit and acquire a lightly tart edge. Near the end of the sip hints of cocoa powder make an appearance before being brushed aside by solid amounts of funk. The funk and fruit flavors carry through to a crisp ending.

Mouthfeel is OK. It's a bit on the thin side with active carbonation.

Drinkability is good. I finished my glass without a problem and could have another.

Overall this was my least favorite of the Veritas series that I've had thus far (all but one thanks to Grant) as it seemed muddled. A nice amalgamation of flavors that just didn't seem to meld together very well. Certainly worth a shot if you have the opportunity but not worth seeking out.

Photo of F2brewers
4.65/5  rDev +15.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I had the good fortune to taste this beer at BA's "Return of the Belgian Beer Fest" in Boston in Octover 2007.

Little did I know fortune would smile on me in an even greaterway when I visited the Pizza Port/Lost Abbey brewery the following month.

After touring the facility and its extensive barrel aging area, Tomme was kind enough to pour out a growler of Veritas 002 directly from the barrel for consumption of some of his guests.

Appearance: Dark brown with ruby tones at the edge and bottome of the glass. Since this was poured directly form the barrel, carbonation and head were minimal.

Smell: Raspberries and rich stone fruit on the nose with the sweetnes of dates and figs as well. There's also that slight aroma of alcohol so often obsrved in a Belgian Strong Dark Ale. At the same time there's the roasty depth that can only come from Old Viscosity and, to add to that complexity, the sour essence of Brett as well.

Taste: An excellent balance of tart/sour with the sweetness and fruity nature of raspberry (from Redstone Raspberry Nectar...a mead) and plum. Notes of dark chocolate come through along with the essential oak from the barrel aging. Since the beer wasserved at~ room temperature, all these flavors came through at different points in the taste...yet blended together in a fantastic way.

Mouthfeel: Medium-heavy...but what else would you expectfrom abeer like this? At the sametime, there was a creamy, smooth character ot the beer and a soft finish that left me wanting one more taste.

Drinkability: This is not a beer for the meek.
There's a lot going on in this beer, but the ocmplexity is belied by the effetive blending and aging of this beer. More than a 10-12 ounce pour would be sinful, but The Lost Abbey makes beers for Saints and Sinners alike and on this day, the Sinners won.


Photo of scottoale
4.92/5  rDev +21.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Another very special limited and blended ale of ales, bottled by me (well just this one bottle). The ale pours a dark brown with ruby highlights and virtually no head. The carbonation is very mild in this batch, unlike the explosive Veritas 003. After it warms a bit, give it a swirl and it developes a nice tan ring and some lace.

Whew, the complexity of this nose...too much! Sweet dark fruits and malt with an almost instant tart consuming raspberry with notes of honey and molassas intertwined to the finish. The taste is very much the same with more flavors unfolding as this blend of beauties warms up. It starts out sweet with the Old Vis. making it's debut in this trio very short lived. Tart and even sour take over and don't let off to the bitter end. The aftertaste is still mouth puckering and changing as it warms...never dull or boring.

Now on a most interesting note, pair this with some Ghiradelli Squares (Dark Chocolate with Raspberry filling) and hang on to your tastebuds...Heavenly!

Big body with a tart lingering finish and the alcohol burried deep within...this ale drinks like a champ now and promises more in the future.

Note: not for the taste-impaired...this stuff could scar you for life ;)

Photo of largadeer
4.5/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Another beer I kept coming back to at The Bistro's barrel-aged beer fest. I had 3 pours of this and easily could have drank more, and probably should have given that I'll likely never see it again. Amber in color with reddish-purple highlights, presumably from the raspberry mead. A pretty color to be certain, and surprisingly clear. The aroma is an intoxicating blend of sweet and sour scents; ripe and unripe fruit, honey, vanilla and caramel. The taste shows the same character, beginning with flavors of ripe raspberries, honey, caramel apple and vanilla bean. Sourness eventually overtakes the palate, revealing notes of earth, spicy oak and a hint of bitter chocolate. The finish is simultaneously sweet and sour, with tart fruit eventually prevailing. Another great blend. More breweries need to attempt beers like this.

Photo of wethorseblanket
4.25/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Reviewed from notes taken at Stone Sour Fest 7/19/09.

Cloudy copper colored sort of Consecration-like.
A little Brett funk and bready Belgian style yeast in the nose.
Smooth, well balanced. Sort of like a Quad with tobacco.

Photo of Thorpe429
4.22/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Huge thanks to Sean for opening this at a recent tasting. Served in my Cantillon tulip.

Pours yields a dark brown beer with a thin light tan head that falls pretty quickly into a thin cap around the edges. The nose is one of the best aspects of this beer, bringing some oak, chocolate, mild brett, slight roast, and a touch of acid. Taste isn't quite as complex or lively, but is still quite good. Align funk combines with roast and a decent amount of carbonation for a pretty good feel. Way, way better than 008 but not nearly as good as 004 or fresh 007. Still, I was very glad to try this. Thanks gain.

Photo of hopdog
4.12/5  rDev +2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap.

Poured a medium to deeper brown color -reddish tinted- with a small sized off white head. Aromas of wood, chocolate, earthy, vinous, and some dark fruitiness. Tastes of raspberries, dark fruits, raisins, plums, and lighter wood. This one was definitely on the sweet side with a very light tart finish.

Photo of AgentZero
4.07/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Props to the man Sean for opening this at our Epic post-Christmas tasting. Review #800 from hyroglifics painted on Jason's wall.

A - Wasn't necessarily expecting anything one way or the other on this, but it's a darker beer than I would have thought given my recent experiences with 008 and 007. Little bit of off-white head that left the sides of the glass clean.

S - Noticeable brett and oak, with some berry (raspberry? cherry?) and some more traditional dark fruit in there. Some good tartness and funk.

T - Not as complex as the nose indicates. Sweetness from dark fruit and berry taste with some tartness. Malts make an appearance in this, I wish it were a little more tart/sour and possibly a little less sweet, but it is good.

M - Medium bodied, lower carbonation.

O - Good beer, glad to have tried it. While it doesn't stack up to 004, 007, and 003 that I've had, it is still very good.

Photo of waltonc
4.5/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Lost Abbey's barrel tasting last night. One of my favorite beers of the night. Appearance was dark brown/garnet with white lacing. Taste is impossible to fully put into words, lots going on. A tiny bit tart, but not much, along with sweet fruit flavor (I think I heard that some rasberry mead was used in this?). But also malty with oak, vanilla and carmel. Would be nice to see this more regularly from Lost Abbey, but it sounds like this is going to remain very limited release.

Photo of womencantsail
4.27/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A huge thanks to Ryan for sharing this one at Sour Fest.

A: The pour is a muddled brownish color that has some hints of orange/copper to it and almost no head.

S: The nose is sweet and quite fruity. Notes of plums, raisins, figs, and perhaps some cherry in there somewhere. The fruits work well with the slight tartness that is there, and the mead provides an interesting balance.

T: The flavor is similarly complex with perhaps a touch more of the sour coming through. Slightly lemony with the raisins and plums being the most notable fruits. Good malt and mead/honey-like sweetness once again.

M: The body is medium with a sort of soft carbonation to it.

D: This is really a unique beer. I had heard this one wasn't doing so well, and perhaps it is past its prime, but I still found this to be quite an enjoyable drinking experience.

Photo of Stoneman78
4.6/5  rDev +13.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Reviewed at the 2007 Strong Ale festival
A- dark murky brown hue, off-white thin layer of head, thick lacing

S- Dark fruits (figs/plums), as well as tones of green apples, bread malts, floral and spice, light coffee/chocolate

T- Delicious sweet dark fruits up front, followed by subtle fruity sourness and berries that linger through the finish, then the OV chocolate/coffee/caramel malts, very well-balanced and delicious

M- Light/medium-bodied, watery texture, lively carbonation

D- Very delicious and easy-to-drink, balanced yet complex blend of wonderful sweet and malty flavors, alcohol is well-masked, I had this at the brewery before and it was one of the tops at the festival, I would love to get a hold of a few bottles for safekeeping. . .

Photo of GClarkage
4.12/5  rDev +2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

11/15/08- Had on tap at the Bistro Barrel Aged fest in Hayward, CA.

Presentation- Via the tap into taster size glasses.

Appearance- Deep ruby red approaching brown colored pour. Dirty white an lightly pochy slight head. Very slight watery like lace markings left behind.

Smell- Smells quite fruity and quite sugary at the same time. Maybe a raspberry souffle like nose.

Taste- Sweetness overpowers the sour in this beer. Quite bready sweet malt with the added raspberry or marionberry like flavor. Assuming a bit of brett was added to give it a bit of a sour punch to balance it a bit. Supposedly a mead style beer.

Mouthfeel- Very smooth, sweet sticky and fuller mouthfeel with a lower carbonation level.

Drinkability- The mouthfeel really did it for me, in addition to the good flavor. A dessert like beer that would work good with a fruited cheesecake.

Photo of antilogic
4.57/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Lost Abbey Barrel Tasting, 11/15/08

The mead really jumps at at me and provides a surprisingly good mix. This Veritas is the only repeatable recipe to date, which is a good thing, and I would gladly drink it again. Tomme did say they can't distribute it easily due to the mixing of two alcohol types (beer and mead).

Color is garnet, small, white head on my taster. Taste is of fruits (raspberry), some light tart sourness, maybe some vanilla and other flavors from the wood. One of the best Lost Abbey beers I've had.

Photo of HopHead84
4.82/5  rDev +19.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I feel lucky to have tried this gem. Dark brown with some red tones, off white head. Aroma is of toffee, wood, bready malt, spices, and raspberry mead. The older viscosity is the first beer I taste in this with dark fruit and sweet malt. The beer has a slight sourness to it and the alcohol is noticeable. The raspberry mead tastes phenomenal and while it is the most noticeable flavor in the beer, it compliments rather than dominates the others. Mouthfeel is dry and carbonation is low.

Photo of socalde
2.49/5  rDev -38.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Tried this at Stone Sour Fest '09. I agree with many of the other reviewers here that this was the biggest disappointment of all the beers I tired at Sour Fest.

A- Reminiscent of a brown ale with a hint of dark red. Extremely fast head dissipation, no lace or signs or remnant signs of carbonation.

S - Almost medicinal. Right away I knew something went wrong with this beer. I noticed a strong cherry scent as well as something else, possibly currants. After taking a nice long whiff of this I can't say I was looking forward to what came next.

T- Overly malty and sweet, even for Belgian Strong, which is a malty style to begin with. Noticeably under attenuated. What comes to mind is a first time home-brewer's attempt at a fruit infused ale.

M- Feels like soda that has been sitting in the fridge a few hours. Not flat, but unsatisfying nonetheless.

D- So thick and malty, not something I would share with friends.

Photo of gford217
4.17/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to Sean for this bottle, shared with the Brick Store crew.

Pours a very murky tea-like brown with a small bubbly tan head that recedes immediately to almost nothing at all. No lacing to speak of.

Aroma is an interesting mix of raspberries, brown sugar and chocolate. There is also a hefty dark fruit profile in the nose with plums and raisins and only a faint funkiness in the background.

The taste starts with a bit of chocolate covered raspberries, definitely sweet. The funk is more prominent in the taste with a dry, earthy funk finish. The backbone is still full of dark sweet fruits.

The mouthfeel is well carbonated with a tingly finish with some oak spiciness and dry funk.

This is one of the least sour of the Veritas versions and features more sweet fruits than some of the others. Very tasty and glad I got the opportunity to try it.

Photo of Sean9689
4.32/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750ml bottle.

A - Pours a dark mirky brownish red color, although not as dark as 003. Very little head, no lacing, no retention. Some bubbles here and there on top.

S - Slight sweetness, dark fruits, mellow tart/sour. Not as sour as many other Veritas versions, but I'm enjoying the nice mix of funk and dark fruits.

T - More funky then the nose suggests. Nice dark fruit, oak, tart/sour, funk, sour cherries. The mead isn't overpowering here, it's just there enough to lend some notes of sweetness. Very nice.

M - Medium, slight bubbly carbonation, semi-dry finish.

D - Really liked this one. Not sure how it was fresh but it's really great-tasting at this time. Looking forward to seeing if this one keeps developing over time. Recommend.

Photo of mdfb79
3.43/5  rDev -15.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

From 04/14/12 notes. Had this one at the DC Lambic & Sour Tasting as part of a full Veritas set, 001-010.

a - Pours a dark murky brown color with light carbonation evident and one inch of off white head.

s - Smells a bit weird, of manure, earthy notes, grapes, musty, some roasted malts. Very weird mix, doesn't do it for me.

t - Tastes of eartyh notes, light roasted malts, light chocolate, boozey, musty, bourbon. Better than the nose as there is no manure, but not great.

m - Medium body and low carbonation. Pretty smooth and easy to drink. Light alcohol.

o - Overall I thought this was by far the worst of the Veritas series. Not sure how it was fresh but it has not aged very well, as it seems a bit old and there was some weird earthy/manure notes in the taste. Wouldn't seek it out again.

Photo of drabmuh
3.88/5  rDev -4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served along side of the other 9 Veritas. While I finished this one, it was in the bottom 1/3 of the group in my opinion. Probably #3 from the bottom (behind V009 and V008). Served in a Lost Abbey Teku glass. Even that awesome glass couldn't make this taste better.

Beer is brown and hazy with a lazy head, small bubbles, low retention, no lacing, moderate to low carbonation.

Aroma is strong, alcohol, raisin, acetic, solvent, sour. Smells OK.

Very oaky, very boozy, strong tannic bitterness on the back, sweet chocolate something up front, it is OK but I'm having a hard time powering through them. LIke I said, there were much much better beers in this line up than this one, I don't think I'll have it again.

Photo of Floydster
4.72/5  rDev +16.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2 pints at the brewery in San Marcos, was one of the few people that was lucky enough to try this rare brew from Tomme Arthur, and they were only four dollars a peice, what a steal, I should have just stayed until closing and took a taxi home, it was really that amazing

In the tasting room, it is one of the unlabeled taps with a black ball on the top of the tap

The beer is a blend of three different beers: Old Viscosity, Avant Garde, and Raspberry Mead all barrel aged together, did not sound that good, but blew me away to say the least

Color was a dark brown with some red tint, looked very murky and had a small foamy off-white head that settled quickly, left a good amount of lacing the whole time through

Smell was complex with a mixture of toffee, raspberries, other fruits, and caramel, even though Old Viscosity only made up one-fifth of the beer, you could really smell its contents in here with the coffee and chocolate

Taste resulted in one of the best beers I have ever had and probably will ever have, tarty and fruity at first but then belnds into a nice chocolately malt with a dry espresso-like caramel finish, sourness at the beginning sets up the nice firm aftertaste, raspberries provide a nice tart that is not overpowering and goes just right with the cocoa, this beer is genius, everybody there that night was blown away by it, what a gem

Lightly carbonated, but the taste kept giving more and more after each sip, truly a unique and great beer, wondeful mouthfeel

Could have drank this all night long if was not for the fact that I had to drive home, not too heavy and a great all around character makes you want to keep coming back for more and more

Highly recommended, try this if you ever see it because it will most likely be the last time, I cannot explain to you how good this beer is, supposedly it is getting bottled and if and when it does, I will be in line to grab as many bottles as possible

Photo of Oxymoron
4.92/5  rDev +21.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Attending the Big Beer, Barleywine & Belgian festival in Vail, Tomme Arthur was suppose to do a talk on wild ales but instead brought out all three veritas as they had some available from the dinner the night before. Going off notes here. The pour was a darker brown with definite black hues through out. The darkest of the three

The nose has noticeable malty and complexity. The wood smells were more prominent of the three but really the malt with the major player here. Mostly it had a barleywine feel to it with complex malt, mostly consisting of deeper caramel notes and touches of chocolate as well. There was a fruity finish to it as well with some acidic cherries and plums. Not as fruity as the first but some noticeable touches.

The taste has a big taste with complex malt flavors. Some darker stout flavors come out with some toffee, caramel and light notes of coffee and just hints of chocolate malt. Some lighter wood aged feels as well with some light oxidation and bourbon flavors. The fruity and sourness of the beer offsets the flavor enough to call this closer to a Belgian beer. There is a more raisin and grape flavor in the taste but as beer warms and also in the finish you can perceive a raspberry, cherry taste. A tart flavor (but not as much as veritas 001). The yeast flavors are a little more detectable out of the other three veritas as well. Great complexity.

The body is, well complex. A big base with a light carbonation which emphasis the flavor of the beer. This was my favorite of the three but all were fantastic.

Photo of Overlord
2.93/5  rDev -27.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Got to try this during the Stone Sour Fest. This was the first beer I sampled, before the UNGODLY KILN-LIKE HEAT began to destroy my will to live. It was the one I most looked forward to.

Easily the biggest disappointment of the Sourfest(tm).

Smells like overripe, sickly raspberries, and a bit of caramel. Pours a dark, maybe slightly ruddy brown. I couldn't get over the smell ... sweet smelling, literally overripe fruit.

Taste was, again, surprisingly sweet. Ugh. It seems like the raspberries either had gone bad, something has happened during the aging process, or oxidation has decimated them. Too much sickly sweet raspberry, maybe a hint of pucker, and more sweetness in the form of caramel and some dark fruits.

The taster was more than enough.

Photo of MasterSki
4.22/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Huge thanks to Sean for procuring this - only one Veritas left to go. Served in a tasting snifter.

A - Poured with a very thin foam that quickly settled to a partial ring, leaving behind no lace. The body is a slightly transparent dark ruby-brown color.

S - Funk of the sweet bretty variety, hefty oak, sweet raspberry in the periphery, and a sweet graham cracker malt backbone. Quite good stuff!

T - Sweeter and more smoothed out than the nose. Sugary malt, tart apples and raspberry. It's not exceptionally complex, but it's quite enjoyable and avoids being cloying.

M - Medium body, dry, a touch watery in the finish. There's a bit of warmth that emerges, but it's not harsh and doesn't show up in the aroma or flavor.

D - This was a pleasant surprise. It sounds like the bottles have held up much better than the keg that appeared at Stone Sour Fest. The mead is understated but adds some nice fruit flavors. I heard this is replicable, so I hope Tomme makes some more in the future.

Photo of Huhzubendah
3.03/5  rDev -25%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Consumed with all ten Veritas beers on April 14, 2012.

The beer is murky and brown with a small, broken head. The aroma offers alcohol, oddities, oak, wine, dark fruits. The flavor is not up to par with the rest of the Veritas series. Boozy, sweet, harsh. Out of balance. Tannic and biting, with overly ripened fruit soaked in booze. My least favorite of the bunch. I am a big fan of The Lost Abbey, but this one missed the mark, especially considering the company in which it was consumed.

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Veritas 002 from The Lost Abbey
89 out of 100 based on 44 ratings.