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Veritas 004 - The Lost Abbey

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Ratings: 145
Reviews: 87
rAvg: 4.64
pDev: 5.82%
Wants: 363
Gots: 10 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
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California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: scottoale on 11-16-2008)
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Photo of craytonic
4.63/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Hazy golden/amber pour with a nice white, foamy head. Looks much more full (and tasty!) than 003.

Smell: Incredibly rich, peaches, pears, pineapple, honey, sour apples, citrus, lemon. Light brett and some wood

Taste: Perfectly tart and sour, with lots of golden fruits like peaches, pears, sour apples, and citrus. Some nice soft grains and honey give it a great taste and body, great yeast as well. Perfect without being vinegar or reallemon juice.

Mouthfeel: Full without being heavy, perfect carbonation. Very, very dry.

Drinkability: Good for the style.

*NB: My second favorite of the Veritas series, right behind 001. Already wishing for another one.

craytonic, Aug 31, 2009
Photo of DefenCorps
4.68/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle #1 at the cheese-deprived tasting. Thanks, Shane.

A: Light yellow with a thin, white head with OK retention. Some lacework is left as I drink this.

S: Delicate and fragrant with a bright barnyard Brett chacaracter opening things up, with a great fruit character. Peaches are unmistakable. Sourness is rather reserved, with a mellow funk character present. Acidity is reserved, making for a delicious smelling beer

T: Opens up mildly sour with a great combination of fruit character (peaches dominate, with a mild cherry character present), funk (barnyard, one day-old gym socks). Mild lactic sourness is present, and the finish is dry, dour and mildly tannic. Complexity is quite high in this beer.

M: Light, airy and very dry finish make for a great sour. The reserved acidity further enhances the palate.

D: I really could drink this all day. Excellent beer.

**Edit 01 July 2012**

Another beer Tomme, Gwen and Ryan were generous enough to share with us. Thanks, guys!

Beautiful light peach character, brighter, fresher and fruitier than Yellow Bus. A touch of spice (cinnamon). Peach skins. The sour base beer is strong, a little unbalanced, but it works perfectly for with the nose. The palate is sour with a blend of lactic acid and esters of ethanoic acid. Some clove is noticeable. Cleaner, less yeasty than YB. Drying, sour finish, moderate peach flavor and sourness. Again, that solventy, acetone-like character is present, but is at a low enough level to be enjoyable. Excellent stuff.

DefenCorps, Jul 28, 2009
Photo of seaoflament
4.47/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to Shane for opening up this bottle at the 'You Bring the Cheese Tasting' which took place on July 25th 2009 (which ran into the 26th). Finally get to try this great beer and couldn't have had it in a better way than to share it among some good friends and great BA's (Joey, Shane, Dyan, Chris, and Stephen). It was also very interesting to have this side-by-side with one of the beers that was used for the blending, Yellow Bus.

Veritas 004 is a hazy peach color. The pour produced close to an inch of foam that fell down to form a ring. No lacing on the sides but the ring did maintain through the duration of the beer and a swirl of the glass brought back some life in the form of a small head.

Upon the first smell I could tell that this one is very forward with the Phunky Duck (a lambic-style beer that was also part of the blending). Some Phunk on the nose with some brett, vinegar, pineapple, apples, peaches (there's the Yellow Bus), grapes, and more soft peach notes. Hints of cherries in the finish. Very lovely aroma, the combination of the funkiness, acidity, vinegar, and brett of Phunky Duck with the crisp, tart, and peach/apple-like candy flavors of Yellow Bus work amazing together.

With the first sip I could pick up the peaches from Yellow Bus almost right away, followed by some apples, hints of vinegar, a bit of funk mid-way, and sweetness in the finish provided by the Yellow Bus (which has a long finish). Nicely tart and refreshing. Low carbonation but soft on the palate, dry finish and long aftertaste as well. Would love to drink this again, I was pretty bummed that I couldn't afford the Barrel Aged Tasting at Lost Abbey were this one was sold, so I'm really glad I finally got to try this. Easily the best Veritas blend to date.

seaoflament, Jul 27, 2009
Photo of slaintemhor
4.47/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Got to sample the '04 of this yesterday at a tasting at my house.
The color was cloudy and straw-like. The nose was nicely acetic with hints of wood and lemon. On the palate, vinegar, crispness, tart and tangy with quince, lemon and funk. The finish was decidedly lengthy and refreshingly tangy.

slaintemhor, Jun 15, 2009
Photo of gford217
4.55/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle courtesy of a super generous BA poured into a tulip.

Thank goodness the cage on this one held up as the cork was doing it damnedest to get out. As soon as I loosened the cage, the cork nearly put a hole in the ceiling.

The foam come pouring out fairly slowly though, so definitely not a gusher. In fact, the head settled in at about two inches and white with the pour. The body is a super bright hazy golden orange underneath the cap that sticks around for the duration and leaves good lacing.

The aroma is extremely enticing with light lemons, overripe peaches and plenty of harder earthy funk as well. As it warms, tart cherries start to come out and the wood character is pretty evident. Overall, you just know it's going to be sour judging from the nose.

The taste caused me to pucker quite a bit with a vinegar and tart lemon and peach presence up front that gave way to the bready malts in the middle and a dry tart cherry finish. The brett is present throughout and the funk seems to build between each sip.

The mouthfeel is fantastic with lively carbonation that complements the dryness of the finish and the brett perfectly.

I'm still getting my palate around sours and this is certainly one of the best I've ever tasted. The brett funk is perfectly balanced by the underlying fruity tartness and makes it very drinkable. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy any more if the brett became more pronounced. As it stands right now, I love it.

gford217, Jun 03, 2009
Photo of mikesgroove
4.97/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Oh hell yeah. I am a very lucky man to be able to finally try this very rare, and utterly fantastic beer. Served chilled and poured into a snifter, this 750ml wonder was consumed on 05/16/2009.

The pour was brilliant and just what I would expect to be/ Light golden amber in color with with a big foamy head of white on top. Really cloudy and hazy and this gave it a much fuller look. Definitley going to be a winner here. Ohh, the rich funky nose on this one, I am melting into the chair. Sour apples, lots of light fruit notes, touch of grassy hops, wow. Perfect here in nearly every way. Not too heavy, and the tartness and sour is perfectly placed. As I sip I close my eyes and the tartest granny smith apple I have ever had combines with a pear and just shreds through my mouth. Lip puckering, perfectly balanced. I am floored. Letting it sit perhaps a touch of cherries works its way in, still light hops drying the palate and sourness that is not overwhelming but just will not quit. Perfect carbonation and medium body with no hint of alcohol at all.

Overall this is hands down the best beer I have ever had from Lost Abbey, and pretty much the best sour I have had, aside from that first batch Beatification. This beer isperfect, seriously. I had heard it was good, but shit, this is excellence. I have had my faith in LA temporarily renewed after this.

mikesgroove, May 17, 2009
Photo of hellbilly
4.22/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

bottle from rusty or the goat... memory evades me... at the bockyhorseys...

hazy golden color (darker than the cdc sitting next to it!) with a soft white head and lasting ring of foam. surprising amount of spotty lacing.

the nose is quite malty and sweet with notes of cinnamon, cement-y brett stink, lemon and some cheese-y cdt funk.

the amount of maltiness on the palate gives the impression of balance and really calms the sour... flavors include lemon, malt, some wood and yeast with the sourness hitting late in the finish. brett's at the party but in moderation and lends a refreshing dryness. the body is surprisingly thick and coating with a rich slick mouth feel. delicioso... 8/4/8/5/18/4.3

hellbilly, Mar 05, 2009
Photo of largadeer
4.65/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Appearance: Straw colored, gueuze-like appearance. Clear for the first glass, hazier after that. This one foamed up in the bottle quite a bit, making later pours somewhat flat.

Smell: Massive barnyard funk up front. Lactic sourness meets unripe fruit (peaches are fairly noticeable). Faintly mineral, little bit of soft grain. The yeast really steals the show here. Very authentic gueuze-like character, the only thing setting it apart being the slight presence of fruit.

Taste & mouthfeel: Dry and puckering with lots of up-front fruitiness; pineapple, peach, lemon. Acidity is fairly restrained despite the strong sourness. Light, crisp body; dry from start to finish. There's a bit of cider vinegar mid-palate, but on the whole this is a beautifully blended beer that really highlights the good aspects of the bugs and hides the bad ones.

largadeer, Feb 20, 2009
Photo of hopdog
4.9/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

750ml caged and corked bottle acquired in trade.

Poured a medium and cloudy golden/yellow color with an averaged sized white head. Aromas of brett, woody, citrus, and fruity. Tastes of citrus, lemony, brett, funky, vanilla, and just all around 'greatness'. Had a nice tart and puckering finish that wasn't overpowering. This one kept me wanting more...I must have more.

hopdog, Jan 30, 2009
Photo of Overlord
5/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Thanks for the trade!

Pours a hazy golden orange. An inch or so of white sandy foam. Smell is sour funk. Lively vinegar and lemon in the aroma. Old blanket mustiness and raw green apples.

Taste is insanely vinous. Unripe grapes, explosive vinegar, acidic lemon ... this is an ass puckeringly sour beer. Bit of a fruit/berry component ... I'd describe it as peach-ified raspberries. Lively peaches lingering on the aftertaste and dancing amongst the flavors. Great balancing fruit to liven up the acidic tartness.

Great carbonation. Really keeps the beer lively, effervescent, and the flavors just keep on popping.

***updating my review. This is as good as it gets.

Overlord, Jan 14, 2009
Photo of ggaughan
4.47/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sampled on Christmas Day thanks to my cousin, krkearney. The beer poured a cloudy golden, yellow color with a half inch thick white head. The nose had a nice aroma of citrus fruits, a bit earthy and yeast notes as well. The taste is wonderful. Tart up front with a nice mix of sweet as well. I also got a touch of wood character and some buttery notes as well. Another fine Lost Abbey beer.

ggaughan, Jan 06, 2009
Photo of JonathanL7890
4.47/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to Midaszero for sharing his bottle.
Appearance : golden, cloudy, no apparent head.
Smell: some funk, lemon fruits, peach.
Taste: light, fruit, like a sour orange. A bit low on the carbonation.
Drinkability: super drinkable. One of the most drinkable sours that I've had. Hard to believe that it is 8% abv. I could easily polish off a bottle myself.

I think this beer should be classified as an American Wild Ale not a belgian strong PA. Seems like a blonde ale blended with a sour lambic.

JonathanL7890, Jan 06, 2009
Photo of ArrogantB
4/5  rDev -13.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to numbeercruncher for trading this beer to me. This is not a BSPA, its a wild ale. It starts to rush out of the bottle so be careful but it didn't quite gush. Nice cloudy orange color, looks like a nice gueuze. My first impression of the smell reminded me of a cantillon and then it quickly went away, funky, bretty, needs more horseblanket. The flavor is sour with peach flavors and I realized this reminds me of Fou Foune. The finish is interesting but I can't really define the flavor. I think I liked 003 better but I sure would like to try Yellow Bus or duck duck gueze alone. This beer was pretty nice and I'll look forward to possibly trying 005 in the future, whenever that is.

ArrogantB, Dec 22, 2008
Photo of abfraser
4/5  rDev -13.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to waltonc for this in another generously shared beer drinking event.

A: Hazy golden yellow with a small head. My initial thought is "Oh no, not another no carbonation Lost Abbey beer." But overall a good looking beer.

S: A slight muskiness similar to an aged lambic. But not nearly as complex. Sour peaches, and other stone fruit.

T/M: Tart and funky, with the stone fruit flavors really dominating for me. The mouthfeel was mostly typical of a good sour--dry, and acidic. But then there's the lack of carbonation. Although not as uncarbonated as other LAs, I still think it detracts overall from the beer. Sour beers just taste better with carbonation, in my opinion.

D: Goes down pretty well. But drinkability is hindered by the fact that there's very little supply of this stuff.

Overall, solid effort. I wouldn't put this in the upper echelon of sours but enjoyable.

abfraser, Dec 22, 2008
Photo of midaszero
4.33/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had on tap at the Lost Abbey barrel night

A - Hazy straw body with no head and no lacing

S - Peach and sourness

T - Peach is the main fruit taste. There are sweet and sour components but overall it is very mellow.

D - Medium body and light carbonation

M - Very easy to drink and very enjoyable

midaszero, Dec 15, 2008
Photo of MiguelMandingo
4.58/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Thanks to midaszero for sharing this bottle. This was awesome.

Poured part of a 750ml into a snifter.

Appearance - This pours a hazy translucent peach color and produced a 1/2 finger head that quickly dissipated to a thin halo around the perimeter of the glass. A quick swirl of the glass brings the head right back, but then quickly dissipates once more. Low head retention. No lacing to speak of.

Smell - The nose is awesome. The fruit notes are huge and they intermingle with the tart, funky nose in near perfection. There notes of peach, lemon, and a distant berry note. Behind the funk, tart, and fruit, there are notes of honey and caramel - lending a hint of sweetness.

Taste - The flavor is awesome - nearly identical to the scent. The flavor has notes of peach, lemon, and a hint of berry. The flavor is noticeably less sweet than the scent would have hinted. The lemon notes are closer to lemon zest than actual lemon. Very tart and funky. I just noticed that the ABV is listed at 8%, um... where are they hiding it?

Mouthfeel - The mouthfeel is great. Light/Medium bodied with a great level of carbonation. Very crisp. The carbonation is very lively and keeps the beer feeling interesting.

Drinkability - Damn, this is a great beer. The flavor is amazing and it is incredibly easy to drink. Lost Abbey is putting out some incredible sours. With or without the ABV, this is incredible.

MiguelMandingo, Dec 15, 2008
Photo of waltonc
4.25/5  rDev -8.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Lost Abbey barrel night. Color is bright yellow. Lots of fruit and funk in the nose. As a friend of mine who attended and is not a huge fan of sour beers remarked, "it smells like toe jam." I wouldn't go that far, but the smell is not this beer's finest point. The taste was really good. Not nearly the funk in the taste that is present in the smell. Light, fruity, peaches, grapefruit, and lemon. Even my wife liked how this tastes, and she's not gung ho about sour beers. Mouthfeel was medium bodied with tartness that is not overwhelming. I honestly cannot recall how much carbonation was in this. On the whole, a pretty drinkable beer. I'm glad I had the chance to try it.

12/10/08 UPDATE: Opened a bottle of this last night with some friends. Have your glass ready, because this one may gush on you a little bit.

waltonc, Nov 17, 2008
Photo of antilogic
4.97/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

One of my new favorites. Had it at Lost Abbey Barrel Night and am looking forward to trying it in the bottles I was lucky enough to pick up!

Knowing what goes into this beer allows the taster to really dissect it. I can taste the peaches and fruits of the Yellow Bus, the pungent tartness of the DDG, and a multitude of other flavors that are strong but compliment each other very, very well.

The head was light on my tasters, but I imagine the bottle conditioned version will have a bit more of a head. The color was gold and slightly orange in the poorly lit barrel room...The aroma and taste was loud with pineapple, peach; slightly sour with a surprisingly medium/full mouthful.

Incredibly good, and dangerously drinkable! My favorite of the night, and of LA to-date.

antilogic, Nov 17, 2008
Photo of Floydster
4.97/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

750 ml corked and caged bottle, also had several tasters of it on tap last night, tasted better out of the bottle to me though, poured into my small Three Philosophers glass

A-Color is a golden yellow with some orange tint, a very aggressive pour resulted only in a 1/4 inch bubbly white head that went away quickly, no retention or lacing
S-Peaches were by far the most dominant smell in here, a bunch of other fruits though including plum, papayas, pineapple, grapefruit, also cherries, oak, mild vanilla, honey, and sour tart
T-Starts off with a gueuze-like introduction, dry and funky with a citrus bite, cherries and oak in the middle, lots of peaches and sourness in the finish, aftertaste is bone dry much like several different blended lambics, gets slightly sweeter as it warms but that funky component is still there mixed with the various tarty fruit flavors, not vinegary at all but it has that nice zing that you get from an aged lambic mixed with some Cuvee characteristics as far as the booze and cherries go, like the oaky component and how it evolves with each sip, this stuff was all over the place but tasted awesome, I wanted more the day after the party so bad that I had to open a bottle, that should say something right there
M-Tart, fruity, funky, and pungent mouthfeel, carbonation is fairly soft right now but that is just because it is a little young in the bottle and I actually preferred it that way, medium body, taste lingers
D-Could drink this stuff all day and night but that would get expensive and impossible because of bottle limits, rarity, etc., it goes down very easy, alcohol is hidden incredibly well, very easy to drink for a sour

This beer consists of two different barrels of Duck Duck Gooze, Yellow Bus, and Cuvee de Tomme, it is the best Veritas yet hands down and will only get better with age in my opinion, probably best brew from Lost Abbey period, it is the first light colored Veritas too as all the others have been various shades of brown to date, Tomme was really proud how this one turned out, I look forward to drinking this again, I am very grateful that I went to the party and was able to get my hands on some, highly recommended

Floydster, Nov 17, 2008
Photo of scottoale
4.43/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

From the freshly cork/caged 750ml. brown bottle, pours a murkish honey-gold ale with no head to speak of yet. Blended with four different barrels of aged ale.

Sweet and tart fruit lights up the nose. Pineapple, peach, honey, citrus and an authorititive sourness.

Sweet and sour balanced taste with plum, pineapple, grapefruit, peach, honey and a nice, crisp, tart finish. This blend is oh so young and already tastes fantastic. Give it some time and God only knows how this brew will evolve. Medium body with a little astringency.

A highly drinkable ale now, can't wait to see how this beauty ages.

scottoale, Nov 16, 2008
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Veritas 004 from The Lost Abbey
100 out of 100 based on 145 ratings.