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Veritas 005 - The Lost Abbey

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39 Ratings
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Ratings: 39
Reviews: 24
rAvg: 4.73
pDev: 4.44%
Wants: 211
Gots: 1 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: HopHead84 on 11-16-2009)
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Photo of t0rin0
4.5/5  rDev -4.9%

Photo of spycow
5/5  rDev +5.7%

Photo of zestar
4.5/5  rDev -4.9%

Photo of Thorpe429
4.53/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle at the DC Lambic & Sour Tasting on April 14, 2012 as part of a full Veritas set, 001-010. Served in a Lost Abbey Teku.

Unbelievable amount of thank yous go out to Richard for coming all the way from LA with this bottle to complete the series.

Pours an amber-red with a small light tan head that recedes fairly quickly into a collar, leaving a few spots of lacing on the sides of the glass.

The nose has some nice, dark, and earthy fruits followed up with a brisk acidity full of red grapes and wine. Touch of oak in the background with some funk following everything up.

The flavor is equally as complex. It's not on the level of Cantillon's Don Quijote, but it's certainly up there as one of the best damn grape-based sours that I've had. Long duration of the flavor fills the palate with a fairly-heavy acidity and moderate funk.

Body is medium and just a bit chewy with average carbonation. Finish is quite dry and acidic. Touch of tannin and wood, with an acidic grape character throughout.

A marvelous creation that I was thrilled to finally try. It wasn't quite the best beer of the tasting, but it was up there, and likely the best American-made beer we had.

Photo of GRG1313
5/5  rDev +5.7%

Photo of ygtbsm94
4.5/5  rDev -4.9%

Photo of womencantsail
4.43/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks, Richard!

Pours a murky reddish pink color with a small head. Sour fruit is the first thing to hit the nose. Lots of grape, wood, and quite a strong lactic acidity. A little bit of raspberry and red fruit flavor. Nicely sour with some grapes and plenty of oak. Some red wine and lactic acidity, too. Medium bodied and medium carbonation. Wales.

Photo of oline73
4.73/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Yet another beer that I thought I would never get to try that was hand delivered by Tomme and crew. Poured into a tasting snifter.

Appearance: Pours a cloudy red color with hardly any head at all.

Smell: This one smells very tart with some vinegar and wine notes. I'm getting some funk with the sour notes, but this one is pretty bright and fruity as well.

Taste: This beer might have been my favorite of the night. Bright and fruity grapes but it's also incredibly sour. The sour notes are not at all vinegar like, reminds me of fresh lemon juice. The sourness stays on the tongue. Very refreshing. I really enjoyed type of grapes in the beer.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with aggressive and foamy carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This beer was so refreshing and different. I loved the grapes. This one was up there with Veritas 004 for my favorite of the night.

Photo of MasterSki
4.9/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A huge thanks to Sean for sharing a beer I'd assumed I'd never get to try. Served in an Alvinne snifter.

A - Quick-dissolving white foam settles to a thin ring of bubbles. Transparent ruby red body with some amber highlights to it. Small streams of quick-moving bubbles are visible.

S - Musky grapes, light oak, huge vinous character, and very Belgian "green" funk in the Drie Fonteinen tradition. Some mild acetic acid and fruity sweetness. Surprisingly lambic-like, and not very "American" at all.

T - Tart grape skins and sour acetic notes - more than the aroma implies but still well-balanced. Largely vinous, but with a hefty dose of earthy funk, hint of leather (a la Don Quijote), and only mild oak presence. This is possibly the most "Belgian" American Wild Ale I've had, and that is meant in the most complimentary way.

M - Pleasant medium-low carbonation, medium-full body, light stickiness, and a lightly dry finish with some tannins present as well. A bit heavy considering the extremely lambic-like taste, but otherwise very pleasant.

D - This is pretty much reference quality for the style. Short of a bit more dryness, spritz, and foam, I can't think of any way to improve this beer. The light oak presence and restrained acidity makes this feel more like something Armand would make than a typical Tomme beer. I think this is the crowning achievement of the Veritas series, and ample proof that American sours are catching up to their Belgian counterparts.

Photo of drabmuh
4.48/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Richard. Another whale slayed, served in a Lost Abbey Teku glass, it's called dominance, look it up.

Beer is reddish and hazy with a lazy white head of small bubbles, low retention, moderate carbonation, and some very spotty lacing, looks good.

Aroma is vinous and grapey with a nice lactic / acetic / citric bite to it. Very fruity, hints of funk and oak.

Beer is light in body, effervescent but not overly so, a nice beer, one of the best out of the line up (001 - 010). Fruity and tart on the corners, white wine and grapes with a nice body and a good not too dry finish. Moderately sour, bright on the palate from carbonic and mild acetic acid. I'd have it again.

Another whale slayed. Thanks!

Photo of mdfb79
4.38/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

From 04/14/12 notes. Had this one at the DC Lambic & Sour Tasting as part of a full Veritas set, 001-010.

a - Pours a murky pink-purple color with a few white bubbles and low carbonation evident.

s - Smells of sour grapes, tart dark fruits, oak, light vinegar.

t - Tastes of sour red grapes, wine, tart cherries and dark fruits, oak, vinegar, acedic, floral notes. Very nice taste, more sourness than the nose.

m - Medium body and moderate carbonation, acedic crisp mouthfeel.

o - Overall I liked this one quite a bit. I think I liked 0011 a little better, but this is really nice, especially the sour dark fruits in the taste. I think I would rank them:

006
004
007
001
005
003
010
009
008
002

Photo of yourefragile
4.65/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Review 1000, by (mostly) accident. Sampled alongside Veritas 001 through 010 at our sour death march. Thanks to Matt, Matt, Matt, Dan, Paul, Daryl, Ben, Mike and Mike for making this happen. Oh, almost forgot Richard.

Pours a murky, ruby pink color with wispy, quickly dissipating white head. Aroma has a slight oak and fruit sweetness throughout. Red wine and grape acidity dominates with mild tartness. Flavor is vinous and sour, remarkable red grape fruit and tartness with a slight cherry-like essence and oak flavor through the finish. Tannic, medium body, very dry, with fine moderate carbonation and a long lasting finish. Not quite my favorite of our special tasting, but remarkable regardless of its rarity. Boom.

Photo of Huhzubendah
4.65/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Consumed with all ten Veritas beers on April 14, 2012. This long sought after brew was graciously shared by GRG1313. Thank you so much, Richard.

The beer is a beautiful ruby hue with a light haze. The small head dissipates within a few minutes. Fantastic aroma of grapes, wine, oak. The flavor is outstanding as well. Elegant and light. Grapes shine through brilliantly. A pleasant acetic finish with lingering tart grape juice. A superb feel. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to try this. Along with 004 & 006, this is one of my favorites from the ten Veritas beers.

Photo of HopHead84
4.93/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I suppose Veritas 005 is fitting for review #500. Consumed on 11/15/2009 at O'Brien's Lost Abbey rare bottle tasting amidst a Veritas 001-006 vertical at the tail end of the first San Diego Beer Week. Veritas 005 is described as an experimental batch (6 cases) that features wild native Southern California grapes (Vitis Girdianas) and a sour base beer (sour Avant Garde?). Veritas 005 is the same beer as Veritas 005 Vino. The beer appears a beautiful pinkish reddish purple. I can't say that I've ever before seen a beer of this color. The head is fizzy and white. Great clarity and color.

The nose is dusty grape skins with wet leather character and a distinct funk reminiscent of barnyard and wet horse blanket. The grapes are vibrant, and I detect a little plum. The nose has an earthy character with noticeable wood and tannins. It's similar to St. Lamvinus, but with a more potent wild grape aroma.

The flavor is excellent, with vibrant grape notes interspersed among musty barnyard funk. The beer has a subtle lactic character to it, and wet leather, goaty, and subtle cheese notes are evident. The most prominent fruit is apparently grape, but I think more specifically tart grape skins. Wood and tannins provide a drying finish, with a mouth watering succulent grape tartness. Outstanding.

The mouthfeel is dry with an almost numbing tannic quality. I think this gives 004 a run for its money as the best in the Veritas series. I really hope to see something similar recreated in the future. Highly recommended.

Photo of jrallen34
4.88/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

thanks to Sean for this epic brew, really excited to try this, now I'm disappointed because is one of the best beers out there and one I'll actually never have again... pours a super bright medium pink, no head... the nose is acidic tart wine, so balanced... wow, this is tart, cherry jolly rancher with red wine tannins, outstanding

Photo of DefenCorps
4.7/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I expected to cross paths with this beer, but never in the fashion that I did. Thank you, Tomme.

Like a dark rose, this is red with no head or no lacing. I like the color here. The nose is surprisingly mellow. Bright with sour grapes, rather wild and moderately tannic. As it warms up, I get some peppery aromas with a mildly musky grape aroma (not as musky as a Concord grape, but muskier than your regular table grapes). Moderately lemony base beer sourness is present too.

The palate opens super sour but the grape character that is a counterpoint to it is just outstanding. Rich, deep with notes of chocolate, cocoa, raspberry jam, rhubarb tartness, this is very good. The fruity tartness and the grape character is singular. A little bit of a seedy tannin character is present, I wonder if that's because there were seeds in the grapes, or due to stems? I don't know. Medium-light in body, medium-light in carbonation with a great finish that's got a blend of lemony and lactic sourness and wild grapes, this is an exceptional sour, and despite the fairly high sourness, this is exceptionally drinkable.

Photo of AgentZero
4.88/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Huge thanks to Sean for sharing this rarity. Review #1500.

A - This beer is a bright, neon red. There's a little pink in there almost. Exceptionally distinctive, and novelty cool looking. Just the bare minimum of white head that disappeared quickly and left nothing on the sides.

S - Grapes, sweet vinous notes, quite sour. There's a bit of oak in there that is soft enough not to obliterate the rest of the great smells coming from the beer. Has a nice acetic tartness.

T - Not sure it's going to get a whole lot better than this. Awesome tart and sour notes, with a kick of sweetness that makes this about perfect. Sour cherries, grapes, touch of oak. Easy to drink, full of flavor, and refreshing.

M - Light, moderate carbonation, nice dry finish.

O - One of the best beers I've had the priviledge of having. It's a shame there isn't more of this in existence as it's truly an experience.

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5/5  rDev +5.7%

Photo of Sean9689
4.93/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I pulled this one out of the cellar after a long time coming. 750ml C&C bottle into mini-snifter. Shared with the crew.

A - Pours bright neon red, seriously a beautiful color, white head, some bubbles here and there, and a thin collar. I could easily pick this beer out with the red hue it gives off, wow!

S - Red wine/grape, huge sour/tart note, oak, grape skins. This has everything you'd want in a world-class our. Excellent tartness, nice oak, wonderful fruity sourness. More 3F or Cantillon then anything from the US...(this is huge compliment).

T - Phenomenal tart/sour, red wine, oak, grape skins, funk, barnyard, musty notes. Again, more lambic-esque then anything I've ever had from a US brewery. Just.Simply.Awesome.

M - Body is light, good carbonation, super dry finish.

O - I never thought another Veritas would be able to top 004 and I was proven wrong with 005. Worth all the wait, hype, and tears I shed when this bottle was opened. Glad I could share with good friends who seemed to enjoy this as much as me. Doubt I'll ever have the chance again, unless Tomme does a Veritas vertical tasting in the future. Mind-blowingly-good.

Photo of koopa
4.6/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

The elusive 005 bottle was traded to me by an awesome RB guy. Caged and corked 750ml makes a medium carbonation pop sound when opened and poured into a Flute.

Appearance: Pours the color of canned cranberry sauce (red / purple) with slightly lighter folds and a 1 finger white crown that displays moderate retention as well as little lace.

Smell: Grape juice, sour berries, lactic goodness, nice amount of horseblanket / feet funk, and a bit of cheese. Very well balanced.

Taste: Same as the nose but not as much complexity or depth. Good amount of tartness and grape juice flavor with less of the funk coming through. As it warms I start getting notes of strawberry.

Mouthfeel: Very dry, light side of medium bodied, with formidable carbonation. I'd score it higher if the carbonation was a bit softer.

Drinkability: Addictive.

Photo of hoppymcgee
4.38/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Alas, Veritas 005 aka Tomme's Arthur's Secret Love Child. Had this at an epic tasting on 5/29/10. Poured approx. 4oz. from a 750ml bottle into a small snifter.

A: Vibrant cranberry color; sparkling with all the love Tomme Arthur put into this beer.

S: Funk, leather, and prunes.

T: Grape skins, toasted bread, with tannins that lead to a tart finish.

M: Dry with a good body.

D: Smooth and refreshing.

Overall, this is the best "non-existent" beer I've had.

Photo of SpeedwayJim
4.75/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

HUGE thanks to Mikey711 for providing this one. I never thought I'd see a bottle, much less get to taste it. Opened 5/29/10. 4oz. pour from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into a snifter. Reviewed from notes.

A: Pours a .5 finger semi-coarse white head that dissipates quickly. Beer is a stunning, clear amber. Lacing is near non-existant with a bit of stringyness for a little tease.

S: Big and bold raspberry notes upfront. Funky, and slightly yeasty. Tartness in the back is detectable but is covered for the most part by a grape peel sweetness.

T: Light grape presence upfront. Vinous and tart. Sweetness grows though the tartness never really fades. Spicy in the middle from ample carbonation. Raspberries, grape, and lemon. Woodiness in the background. Finishes with a slight tartness and a messy aftertaste of lemon and grape peel.

M: Light bodied and highly carbonated. Rough around the edges and jumps in the mouth. Perfect for the style. Dry and saliva-enducing. Finishes messy but with such a pleasant aftertaste that I don't mind at all.

D: Amazing. From the appearance, to the smell, to the taste and feel, this beer comes together wonderfully in every aspect. Complex yet clean and simple at the same time, I thoroughly enjoyed every drop of this mythical nectar. Don't pass this one up if you ever get a chance.

Photo of starrdogg
4.88/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Sooo thanks to Tomme for bringing this one to the tasting.

Pours a gorgeous dark ruby red with a thin white head. The smell here is incredible - sweet grapes and oak with a nice bit of sour and funk. Flavor here is absolutely incredible, I should note that I love grape sours, but this is about as good as it gets: the balance is absolutely incredible, grape flavor is fantastic, it's a little sweet and really damn sour, but super drinkable. Medium-bodied with nice carbonation - sourness leaves a great tingly feel. Overall, this beer is fantastic with a unique grape character I haven't experienced with any other beer. Totally lives up to the hype!

Photo of craytonic
4.6/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Consumed 8/5/10, 750ml bottle that was not easy to get ahold of

Appearance: Opens with a nice pop, pours with a several inch pink head. Nice royal purple / ruby color. Beautiful beer.

Smell: Very tasty; sour and tart, oak and wet leather, faint horse blanket with some raspberries and lemon. I am not familiar with the grape varietal, but it is distinct and noticeable. This is one of the few american beers that could compete with Cantillon.

Taste: Near perfect, sour and tart followed by a large oak presence, wet leather, and the grapes. Very tannic.

Mouthfeel: Very drier, drier than the rest of the Veritas series. Carbonation might be a bit aggressive.

Drinkability: Off the charts.

I have tried 001-007, this is probably top three.

Photo of CityofBals
4.5/5  rDev -4.9%

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Veritas 005 from The Lost Abbey
100 out of 100 based on 39 ratings.