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Veritas 008 - The Lost Abbey

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BA SCORE
85
very good

96 Ratings
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Ratings: 96
Reviews: 47
rAvg: 3.79
pDev: 17.68%
Wants: 65
Gots: 18 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: ZX6Chris on 10-31-2010

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.
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Ratings: 96 | Reviews: 47
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Photo of kingcrowing
3.95/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at NotF poured into a sampling glass. Reviewed from notes.

Pours a hazy light iced tea like color with a very thin white head. Nose is upper light but it's lemony and tart, quite nice.

Taste is very odd, it's tart, fruity and lemony but very different. I like it but the mouthfeel is very light and sharp. Overall very good.

Photo of glid02
4.12/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Grant - thanks!

Pours a hazy dark golden color with a half-finger white head. The head recedes into a wispy layer on top leaving decent lacing.

Smells of strong funk - wet hay mostly - with a mild amount of wheat twang and lightly tart citrus. Light hints of herbal notes waft out and intensify as the beer warms.

Tastes similar to how it smells. Unobtrusive light malt and wheat flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by sharp light citrus flavors - mostly lemon with hints of grapefruit. Midway through the sip the flavor profile dries out as solid funk comes into play. Finally, slight hints of herbal and slightly floral tea flavors make an appearance before fading out into a crisp ending.

Mouthfeel is good. It's got a nice thickness with active carbonation.

Drinkability is also good. I didn't have a problem finishing my glass and could have another.

Overall I didn't have high expectations for this beer but it was far better than what I've heard from others. Not in the upper half of Veritas that I've had (another thanks to Grant for all but one of them) but a solid beer in its own right. Worth a shot.

Photo of SpeedwayJim
2.84/5  rDev -25.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to capra12 for sharing this one. Have to keep the Veritas streak going! Poured into a Darkness snifter. Reviewed from notes.

Veritas 008 actually looks fantastic. Pours a nice 1 finger white head with great retention and the beer itself is a clear goldenrod. Lacing is patchy but doesn't stick. One of the better looking in the series.

Beer smells like a futher lemon infused pinesol. Strong lemon zest and rind, peaches, and a strange sulfur smell that lingers in the background providing a rotten egg presence. The funkiness that's expected from a wild ale is almost completely missing. Not bad but very very strange. And the sulfur, although barely detectable still ruin the experience a bit.

Taste is lemon rind, citrus fruit tartness, with a yeasty bitterness towards the end. There's also some odd mintiness going on which is a bit strange along with some odd flour characteristics. Amost like a mojito infused with lemons that's been sitting out too long.

Body is again, one of the better ones in the series. Great carbonation. Prickly, lively and crisp in the mouth. Finish is thankfully pretty clean with no aftertaste. What I'd expect from the style.

Veritas 008 is a bit understood. The tartness is building in this one but it was never the lack of sour that made this beer bad. Rather, it was the strange mint and sulfur flavors that ruin it. And those don't seem to be fading any time soon. Not a terrible beer but just very different from what's expected and not in a particularly intriguing way.

Photo of thagr81us
3.71/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Had this one during the 'We Want The Funk!' tasting that was graciously hosted by beermeX2! Big thanks goes out to beermeX2 for sharing this one with the group! Served from bottle into a Mikkeller flute. Poured a hazy golden yellow with a two finger off-white head that subsided to half a finger slowly. Maintained decent lacing throughout the glass. The aroma was comprised of sweet malt, lemon zest, tart, and tea. The flavor was of sweet malt, lemon, tea, slight sour, and slight tart. It had a light feel on the palate with high carbonation. Overall this brew was good, but it definitely wasn't that great. Completely different beer V007 which was tasted right before this one (which I know was their intention). But seriously, tea in a Wild Ale!? Not sure how I felt about this, but now I know. I was not a massive fan. It was still good though don't get me wrong, but just felt out of place on the flavor and aroma. Glad I got to try it, but I doubt I would go out of my way to trade for a bottle for my own cellar/consumption needs. At least it was carbonated though... *shoulder shrug*

Photo of emerge077
3.9/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bunzfest2012: Make it so... Thanks Patrick for sharing!
Quick review from written notes, served in a mini-tulip glass.

Spotty lace around the edges, good coverage on the surface. Body is a hazy gold, looks a bit like carbonated lemonade.

Big lemon and lime zest in the aroma, fresh and fruity with a hint of citrusy tartness.

Tart citrus flavors, lemony with a light effervescent dry feel. Crisp and clean, zesty carbonation with a citrus forward flavor. Good rendition of an Arnold Palmer, though a little bit one dimensional. Not especially funky, it was highly attenuated. Definitely refreshing to sip around noon on a saturday in the mid-80's.

Photo of mikesgroove
3.19/5  rDev -15.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

had to try this obe for myself so traded for a bottle knowing i might not get the winning end of the trade but i have to admit it was not the horror story it could have been, poured into a snifter.

nice golden pour with a good cloudiness and a nice and mellow head of white lacing that nicely capped the glass. but as i reach in for a smell things start to get, well interesting. i am not sure what this is really, it was astringent, metallic and floral at the same time, i dont really know or sure what it was or was supposed to be but citrus and metal and cherries? a bit better as i took the first sip. thankfully it was ot as odd, though it still struggled to find a home of any kin. tart and sour, with vinegar and apples coming though, still a strange offness to it, but it settled out as it warmed and got much cleaner, sour an dry finish rounded it off.

overall it was all of the place, a mess to the nose, but confusing on the palate. i think i lost this trade

Photo of largadeer
3.78/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle at Toronado.

Hazy straw-hued body with a lasting half-inch of frothy head.

Really funky nose, a ton of bretty barnyard, a little sulfur, a lot of lemon. Strangely herbal (thyme?) with a definite tea character that's not particularly offensive.

The palate is pretty decent. Mild lactic sourness up front, a lot of lemon flesh tartness along with mild lemon rind tannin, slight pale grain flavors, some phenolic funk and a rather integrated and unobtrusive tea flavor. Strange but pretty good.

Photo of oline73
4.27/5  rDev +12.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I was able to try a pour of this beer at Sour and Bitter. Poured into a stemless wine glass.

Appearance: Pours a very cloudy golden color with a finger of white head that faded to a layer on top of the pour.

Smell: Reminds me of dried apricots. There is a slight tartness and some herbal notes. Bright and sweet citrus.

Taste: Not as sweet as the smell would suggest. Apricots and other sweet citrus notes. There is a slight funk to the beer and a mild citrus bitterness in the finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with fluffy carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This beer really surprised me. I really enjoyed the apricot notes. I would definitely have this one again.

Photo of DavoleBomb
3.75/5  rDev -1.1%

Poured into a tulip. Had an incredibly trying time pulling the damn cork out.

2.00 A: Hazy yellow brown color. Lots of carbonation which makes several fingers of white backwater foam. It falls quickly and leaves just a few wisps of lacing.

4.00 S: Big herbalness and meadow funk. Chamomile, mint, peaches, lemon. Acetic sourness. Hay, wildflowers, and dry woodiness to round things out. Smells pretty good actually.

3.50 T: The taste isn't bad, but it's not as good as the nose. It's surprisingly tannic and astringent which somewhat masks what would be a huge herbalness. Again chamomile, mint with white tea and maybe some jasmine. Hay, wildflowers, funky woodiness. Lactic and acetic are about equivalent. Much better than I was expecting

3.50 M: Lighter medium body. Surprisingly moderate carbonation. Astringent aftertaste, but not too distracting.

3.50 D: I was expecting this to be ass, but I suppose time has done this well. Seems like LA should have stuck this in the basement and made it Veritas 14 when the time came.

Photo of Habmike
4.25/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Thanks Matt!

Fluffy white head that retains quite well with thick patchy lacing. Nice bright straw yellow color.

Brett, funk, lemonade, tea. Not really much oak in the nose. Mostly reminds me of Minute Made and Sweet Tea. After all I am in the "South."

Definitely has a flavor reminiscent of an Arnold Palmer. Lemony tartness that is in no way approaching vinegar. Really tasty stuff.

Fizzy carbonation with medium creamyness. Pretty nice flow in the mouth.

Really great drinkability. Pour this one over ice on a hot summer day! (jk)

Photo of Thorpe429
2.27/5  rDev -40.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Negative thanks to the guy who invented Arnold Palmers for this beer. Also had this at Night of the Funk when it was served as TEA 1. Served in a mini-snifter.

Pours a slightly-cloudy yellow color with a slight head and a touch of a light white collar. The nose immediately takes a turn for the worse, with my initial impression being whatever chemical that was they used to put on elementary-school carpets to remove stains. Not good. As far as the intended portion goes, there is some astringent tea and lemon rind, though this is muddled with quite a bit of medicinal character. The aftermath is a bit of body odor.

The taste is equally as bad with a lot of medicinal notes as well as powered vitamin. The lemon is a bit more prevalent here and the tea character is still astringent. There are some very light and delicate stone fruits getting trampled in the background. The feel is a bit tannic and bitter along with some slight sweetness. As far as drinkability is concerned, this did get a tad bit better as it warmed up and was at least fairly interesting to describe. Still, I certainly would not drink this again.

Photo of jlindros
3.68/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

Light murky brown water colored with almost no head.

Nose loaded with tea, lemonade, light spices, cammomile, lemon peel coriander etc.

Taste is light lemon tea light spices decent bitternss light sour lemon peel little watery, light tart fruits and lemon peel. Finishes little dry malty.

Mouth is smooth very light with lower carbonation.

Drinkability is pretty high, light refreshing lemonade fused tea with a light beer. On a hot summer day there would be very few beverages that would be more refreshing than this.

Photo of AgentZero
2.2/5  rDev -42%
look: 4 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 2

A big thanks to Arthur Pendragon for providing this at my Bachelor Weekend tasting.

A - Foggy straw color on this gusher. Nice lacing off the huge head. Recedes to a nice cap.

S - This smells quite terrible: body odor, vitamins, and bad tea. The vitamin smell is particularly prevelant and makes me worry I may throw up. This is pretty gross.

T - Tea with some lemon. The vitamin taste unfortunately comes through. Sweet, it actually does get sligthly better when it warms up, but it's hard to get past the nose to recognize the taste. Lingering finish turns gross, like vitamins coming back up. Little bit tart.

M - Light, crisp carbonation, feels alright.

D - This is hard to drink due to the taste and even moreso to the smell. This is the third of the Veritas series I've had (003 and 004), and it is far and away the worst.

Photo of OCBeerSociety
4.53/5  rDev +19.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On draft at the '10 Lost Abbey Barrel Night.
The first thing that came to mind while enjoying this latest version of Veritas was a really well made mimosa. The orange notes where very forward in the flavor and made me wonder how much bottle conditioning would change that. The carbonation was just right, making it extremely sessionable.

Photo of WillCarrera
4.3/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

750ml bottle, generously shared by ahalloin, thanks dude!

A- Pours a hazy golden color, produces a thin white head that recedes to a wisp.

S- Smells absolutely delicious. The aroma is dominated by a really complex, interesting herbal aroma, with tea and spice, a pretty prominent lactic acidity, barnyard sourness, stone fruit and oak. Awesome.

T- The taste is considerably toned down compared to the aroma, which is too bad, but it's still pretty good. Loads of lactic tartness out of the gate, some stone fruit and slightly sweet grain, finishes with a some bitter herbal and subtle tea flavors.

M- Medium-bodied, very dry with lots of carbonation.

O- A very nice beer, deserves high marks for the aroma alone, which I could happily smell all day. The vitamin/medicine/off aromas and flavors that others have complained of were completely absent here, perhaps some bottle variation or age issues are causing some of the huge scoring variations on this one. I probably wouldn't give up the ammo needed to land this, but I thought this was very tasty and enjoyable nonetheless.

Photo of womencantsail
3.71/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

On-tap at Lost Abbey

A: The pour is typical of Lost Abbey's lighter sours: hazed golden straw color with a finger or so worth of white head.

S: The nose is powerful if nothing else. Very reminiscent of perfume and champagne. Some interesting fruitiness of bananas, pineapple, oranges, and lemon. There is a light tartness as well as a bit of a wet, musty character. The tea seems to stand out in the fact that there's a strong herbal character, but if you didn't know if was tea, you might not guess it.

T: The flavor does remind me of a sort of lemony tea beverage (which I think is the point). Not as herbal as I had feared, but enough to make things interesting. The tea seems to provide a lot more aromatics than it does flavorings. A fair amount of oak and a mild funk gives this beer a solid dryness.

M: The body is medium with the carbonation being moderate. Again, fairly dry with a nice rolling feel to the bubbles (perhaps helping along that champagne thought I had on the aroma).

D: This is certainly not my favorite of the Veritas series and I had some serious doubts about it. The beer is really different, and the idea itself is pretty cool. This could serve well as a refreshing beer.

Photo of Spider889
1.7/5  rDev -55.1%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

Wow.. this makes me really happy I never tried to go after the 009...

Pours a cloudy straw color. Large soapy bubbles help to uglify this beer.

Smells really odd. Tons of lemon flesh. Yes, lemon. Not pith, peel, or essence, but lemon. Funky barnyard stuff akin to a middle of the road, overheated saison.

American wild, eh? What's wild about it? Not sour, or even tart. Doesn't seem to be spontaneous, barrel-aged, or anything else interesting. Musty, dank, and tepid... in all the worst, non-gueuze-type of ways.

These beers are waaaay over-hyped.

Simply a gross beer.

Photo of FosterJM
3.55/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

672nd Review on BA
Bottle to Flute
750 ML, C/C

App- A very light and bright yellow with a nice bubbly one finger head. A little bit of cling and a little lace.

Smell- A bright lemon note with as much as I can say lemonade and a bit sugary. Very very light on the nose.

Taste- It's a little sour with lemon and citrus taking over. A slight damp, funk was there on the back of tounge. Not too much going on. Nice little sour beer.

Mouth- A very prickly feel with bubbles and lemon. High carbed actually and very soft.

Drink- It was pretty good, a little above average and pretty tasty. Was a bit spritzy for me, but was very glad to try it and not trade for a bottle.

Photo of ahalloin
4.34/5  rDev +14.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Cork popped enthusiastically. Pours a straw yellow with big white head. Slightly cloudy. Tight head and lacing make for a nice looking beer.

The smell is fairly complex with dominant lactic sourness, barnyard funk and damp hay. Slight tea seems more subdued than previous reviews.

The taste is dominated by a strong satisfying tartness. Strong herbal bitterness on the back end. Lots of acidity but balanced very well.

Very high carbonation contributes to great effervescence.

Overall I'd venture to say this is highly underrated. Strong tartness and dryness make it very drinkable.

Photo of DefenCorps
4.4/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks, Matt/CJ! I loved this.

Hazy light yellow with a dense, white head with excellent retention and lacing, this was the best-looking beer of the night. The nose is bright, and fruity with a blend of mango, citrus and stone fruit. The black tea lends a moderate flavor and some bitterness, but the blend is excellent. Very fruity (I've underlined very in my notes) with ripe, fleshy, pulpy oranges. A little vanilla is noticeable too.

The palate is over-carbonated, but otherwise, very tasty. Black tea notes up front with bright citrus make for a refreshing beer. This is a brilliant riff on a witbier - bright, fruity, spicy and unique with the citrus notes lending an exceptional structure on which the flavors are layered. Sourness is light, mildly lactic. Exceptional structure and balance here, this beer is very refreshing and comes with high recommendations, despite the poor scores.

Fans of the Zwanze 2010 should check this out. IMO, this beer stays true to the Veritas lineup in being experimental, and actually nicely done.

Photo of scottfrie
4/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks again Jeff! Snifter.

A: Steady stream of foam on this one after the cork popped. Pours a cloudy lemon color with a billowing bright white head.
S: I definitely smell the tea but it's not potent. Doesn’t smell bad actually. I smell straw and a bit of golden fruits as well.
T: Green tea powder, hay, yeast, slight funk, and a bit of green apple. Not bad really. Golden fruits and a bit of citrus come through in the finish.
M: Medium body, soft carbonation, slick and easy mouthfeel. Goes down smooth. Not much tartness.
O: Much better than I expected. I might actually want to drink this again. The tea was noticeable and worked well. Thanks again buddy.

Photo of raveskdr
4.42/5  rDev +16.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Courtesy of a joint trade between Starrdogg and myself. Had to complete as much of the series as possible. Poured into a mini snifter.

A - Very light golden straw color with solid amount of head. The thin white head sticks to the glass halfway from beer to top.

S - Very small bits of mango and pineapple accentuate funky barnyard. Slight wheat like esters prevail as well.

T - Very light and crisp passionfruit along with other tropical flavors right up front. Tart acidity in the middle which follows through slightly to the end. Very little bit of tea in the middle and a bit more through the back end.

M - Very "fluffy" when finally drinking it. The tartness sits up front instead of attacking the back of my mouth.

O - This beer gets quite the bad wrap. No, it's not v004 or v005, but its a step outside the comfort zone in regards to beer in general, and especially sours. This finished way higher than I thought it would amongst the Veritas series.

Photo of orangesol
3.73/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I brought this to the Inaugural "Imminent Liquidation Bottle Share" Event. Bottle poured into a taster glass.

A - Pours hazy straw yellow with a strong one and a half finger tall white head, dissipating down to a light film, leaving spotty lacing down the glass.

S - Some earthy funk, dulled citric acidity, dark tea spice, oak, and some light astringency. The strong dry funk is a bit overpowering but still not as bad as some of the other reviews.

T - Very similar to the nose. Plenty of dry funk, light citrus acidity, oak, and herbal tea. Finish is quite dry with some lingering funk. Not too much pucker in this wild, more of a light funk. Compared to some of the other wilds at the event it was a letdown but on its own it was not too bad.

M - Medium body and flavor with moderately high carbonation. When we opened the bottle it gushed some out and foam filled the space where the liquid used to be. Dry, crisp, feel with plenty of it lingering thru the finish.

D - Pretty good. This was much better than some of the reviews made it seem. It was not as good as the other wilds we were drinking but it was still pretty good. Glad I got to try it.

Photo of Phelps
4.07/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a bottle graciously given to me by tlay10. Upon opening, it gushed just slightly, but a majority of the bottle was saved.

Light tangerine in color, very slightly hazed. A fizzy 1.5-finger off-white head bubbles away to a spotty top layer that lingers for a while and leaves some random trails of lace.

Moderately tart in the nose, with lemon peel, honey and earl gray tea. Not too complex, but good. Subtle, smooth, delicious.

Flavor: lemon peel, herbs, light horsey funk and a harshness that builds after swallow, swelling to impressive levels. Very smooth and complex.

Super, super fizzy, it's pillowy and expands in the mouth at the slightest provocation. The tartness builds but never becomes too harsh, and the alcohol isn't noticeable at all.

Lemony and complex, This Veritas 008 was shared at a tasting and was regarded as a highlight by everyone there. Tart, lemony, complex.

Photo of HopHead84
3.7/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

11/13/10

On tap at the 2010 Lost Abbey Barrel Party. 

A: Appears hazed golden with a nice frothy egg shell head.

S: Light musty and wet leather notes, lemon, oak, and a little tea. This smells pretty nice. Perfume aromatics are strong. The tea character is less herbal and better integrated here than it was in the Arnold Palmer TEA, and a huge improvement over the TEA 1 that was at the TEA Party.

T: Zesty lemon, oak, tannins, earth, and light funk. The herbal tea character has really been dialed back here, and makes the beer less astringent, more refreshing, and much more enjoyable.

M: Upper light body with upper moderate carbonation. The mouthfeel is dry and slightly creamy with some tannic notes.

Overall: I had a grimace on my face as I lifted the glass to my lips, memories of its two predecessors (Arnold Palmer and TEA 1) scorched into my brain, but the grimace faded after that first sip. I found this to be refreshing and enjoyable. This is much better than the rough versions that came before it, the main difference being that the herbal tea character is much softer, rather than blasting the palate with herbal and astringent notes. Certainly not the best of the Veritas series, but not bad like I expected.

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Veritas 008 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 96 ratings.