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Veritas 009 - The Lost Abbey

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BA SCORE
85
very good

219 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 219
Reviews: 89
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 25.99%


Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: HopHead84 on 05-28-2011)
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Arbitrator

California

1/5  rDev -73.5%
look: 1 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Veritas is Lost Abbey's line of experimental beers, where Tomme "Tomme" Arthur seeks to push the boundaries of traditional brewing techniques and develop something new. His notable accomplishments included 003 (it showed me that a strong ale with bacteria could do pretty well), 004 (peach!), 006 (raspberry puree in stomach acid!), 008 (tea!). His latest innovation is 009, wherein Tomme has brewed a beer with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Thanks to Sideswipe for the bottle. Opened and shared at my birthday tasting.

A: Pours an opaque, maroon body.

S: Funky vinegar, prunes, cinnamon. I was very disconcerted. Had someone pranked me with a fake bottle?

T: I simply could not figure out what this beer was trying to do. It had the pruney, soy saucey qualities that I detest in Dark Lord, soured with a mild vinegar burn, earth, and some band-aid. Tannins, vanilla, bourbon. WHAT IS GOING ON

O: I believe the beer was $35, so it's not affordable. It was a brewery-only release, so it wasn't accessible. It was so bad that a group of 25 beer geeks left over 50% of it on the table, so it wasn't good. Congratulations, Tomme: you've successfully trolled the beer community. There is literally no reason to drink this; it defines the bottom of the pile, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to Jail.

Serving type: bottle

01-28-2013 07:02:09 | More by Arbitrator
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Cedromar

Massachusetts

1.25/5  rDev -66.8%
look: 2 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

A- Pours pitch black and flat. Not much going on here.
S- A lot of sour cherry, a bit of vanilla and coconut.
T- Complete and utter shit. Sour cherry dominates the palate and it is just beyond awful. You get some of the barrels as well, but christ this is an awfully disappointing beer.
M- Meh, the mouthfeel is probably the best part of this beer.

Overall: This was a drain pour for me. I took about three sips before deciding to dump it. This beer is beyond terrible and never should have been released. If this was a homebrewer's beer I could be a bit more forgiving, but I expect better from The Lost Abbey and Tomme. They're better than this.

Serving type: bottle

10-05-2011 00:39:46 | More by Cedromar
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SpeedwayJim

New York

1.45/5  rDev -61.5%
look: 1.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

From the Light Whale BIF. Poured from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into a Cantillon tulip. Shared with schen9303.

Cork ejects with a slight pop but this one pours still. No mistake about it. Pitch black and opaque too. With semi-decent legs but no lace. A good looking beer this isn't. Legs save it from being a complete fail.

Nose is ash, sour soy sauce, spoiled plum, overripe plum, mellow booze, and rancid wood. Moderately aromatic but with a stench like this, I'd rather it be barely detectable. Not good.

Opens chocolate and sour prunes. Plum character and sour say sauce towards the middle with rancid chocolate and tart, rotting wood. End is puckering and muddled soy sauce. Finishes tart prunes and plum with a lingering, sour rot aftertaste. Really odd in a terrible way. Flavors are muddled, fruit character tastes spoiled, and there's a complete lack of any carbonation.

Medium bodied with no carbonation. Oily and filmy in the mouth and oily and warm going down. Finish is messy and slick with a long, lingering aftertaste. This beer is devoid of any life. Too thick, too heavy which is key for this style.

This beer is a complete fail and I'm curious as to what world of beer does this get a passing grade? The appearance is terrible, aroma is equally bad, the flavors are muddled, and its complete devoid of any carbonation. Veritas 008 was a bit of a failed experiment but its complete gold compared to this monstrosity. Do yourself a favor and skip this one. A complete drainpour as I could only choke down about 3 ounces of this one for the review.

Serving type: bottle

12-27-2011 02:58:48 | More by SpeedwayJim
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aasher

Indiana

1.68/5  rDev -55.4%
look: 2 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.5

This one pours a dirty mop water brown with a slight beige lacing. It smells of sweet and sour port. Damn its sweet with sour notes. The flavor too is ever so slight wine barrel aging with a weird and awkward type sour. No complexity at all. It's really off putting. This barrel aging was awful. It really isn't even drinkable, and I love sours. This beer is weak and severely overrated. This was the second time I was fortunate enough to try this limited, $30 bottle. It was awful both times. Homer much?

Serving type: bottle

11-12-2011 18:59:59 | More by aasher
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Verecund

Texas

1.73/5  rDev -54.1%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.75

Opened on June 10th, 2011, the eve of an important day. Thanks to a local for this trade.

Pours between wine (the color) and garnet – a dark, almost grayed brown with hints of dark red about the edges – with no carbonation whatsoever. I know there’s a thin line between low carbonation and being flat, but this is flat.

The aroma is massive and almost disorderly, though appetizing. Lots of dark cherry, tobacco, a vinous tartness, and light bourbon. The one flaw for me is an almost rotten fruit smell that comes through as it approaches room temperature.

Vinous oak, sour cherries, a wonderful mess of sweet barrel notes (e.g., caramel, vanilla) and chocolate, (tart) blackberries, light bourbon, butter, and a good bit - in fact, likely too much - of vinegar. It’s a bit of a hot mess, but age has [assumedly] mellowed this one nicely and the flavors really do complement one another. Just a huge, rich old ale/sour hybrid.

Unfortunately, this could use just a touch of carbonation. The flatness actually works okay given the enormity of the flavor profile, but a touch of bubbles (which others have noted, so maybe I’ll get lucky with another bottle) would work wonders here. Tart, oily, tannic, and appropriately dry on the finish.

This is an interesting beer, unlike any I’ve had, though it has a few flaws to my palate (rotten fruit on the nose, a decent bit of vinegar, and lack of carbonation). I anticipate trying this again in the future. With a little carbonation, this could warrant a higher rating.

EDIT: Upon second and third samplings, my lukewarm enjoyment of this beer has turned into complete disgust. The third bottle was a balsamic vinegar, soy, and rotten prune bomb. Lowered from 3.38 to 1.73.

Serving type: bottle

06-16-2011 15:36:09 | More by Verecund
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trxxpaxxs

New York

1.73/5  rDev -54.1%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Reviewed from notes from FFF XV Anniversary Party:

A: Poured out a a murky deep brown with redish hues. There no head at all. It looks flat.

S: This beer smells of soured muddled fruit, and soy. Oxidation is totally evident in this brew. It's really earthy. I don't think this beer has much time left in the bottle before it turns into a soy bomb.

T: The taste is soy mixed with with some black licorice and sour stone fruits (cherries, plums, and maybe apricots). I'm not feeling it.

M: Medium bodied? The flavors coat the palate and hold on for dear life. That's not a good thing when the beer is below average.

O: I was really excited to open this bottle (based on rarity and/or hype), but it fell completely short. This beer was kinda gross.

Serving type: bottle

01-15-2012 14:45:17 | More by trxxpaxxs
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waltonc

Colorado

1.93/5  rDev -48.8%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Pours brown pondwater flat. No apparent carbonation to speak of. Smell and flavor are not very notable. A mess of vinous dark fruit and barrels. Fairly sweet, slightly sour. Not very complex. Body is on the thicker side and no carbonation. Overall, this was a disappointing beer. After reading the brewery's hype, I was expecting something a little more interesting.

It's hard to understand where all those initial extremely high scores are coming from. I enjoyed Veritas 008 more than this.

Serving type: bottle

09-05-2011 14:45:28 | More by waltonc
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myspoonistoobig

Massachusetts

1.98/5  rDev -47.5%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 1.5

Thanks to Jason for sharing this one, too, on an epic afternoon of drinking.

Cork and cage bottle, poured into a Hill Farmstead tasting glass.

Appearance: flat, black and slightly syrupy. Looks like old fryer oil. Cork came out with no resistance, but that came as little surprise.

Smell: smells like the overripe tart cherries that would fall off the tree in my backyard growing up. Not entirely unpleasant, but not great either.

Taste: weirdly tart, semi-sweet... is that licorice? soy sauce? just an all around mess of flavors.

Mouthfeel: couldn't wait for it to not be in my mouth anymore. The tartness, oily texture and flatness made it pretty unpleasant to drink.

Overall: seems like a pretty miserable, failed experiment. A for effort, but I will not be seeking this out again.

Serving type: bottle

01-13-2012 21:12:38 | More by myspoonistoobig
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hooliganlife

Missouri

2.1/5  rDev -44.3%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

no pop on the cork, pours a still black. fairly lifeless. no carbonation.

light vanilla and bourbon with a slight tart cherry very reminiscent of red poppy.

light tart cherry with a subtle mix of grape and cheap red wine. the bourbon and vanilla blended well however they never helped this out. i found this very 2 sided and completely lacking any complexity. it was 2 parts, cherry and bourbon. nothing special here.

dead flat with a hint of dryness.

this was boring, everyone i spoke with after i opened this agreed that it was more or less terrible.

Serving type: bottle

10-09-2011 23:14:39 | More by hooliganlife
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NittanyBeerFan

Pennsylvania

2.17/5  rDev -42.4%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Thanks to shadesofgray for sharing this highly touted rarity! Poured into a tasting glass...

Completely flat. Granted, the color is nice, coming in at a deeply opaque brown, bordering on black. There are some lighter brown notes around the edges. A swirl kicks up some oily looking liquid onto the sides of the glass, but not much lacing to show for it, nor does it elicit any foam to come forth from the beer.

The aroma is complex, with toffee, chocolate, some oaky vanilla, brandied cherries, and some sweet sherry notes. The funk is subdued, and a sourness is present, but I find it significantly less lactic and more pedio-based. There is a touch of buttery aroma in there, too, leading me to believe that there is a touch of diacetyl. The flavor is similar, with the diacetyl a bit more evident. Luckily, the complexity of the flavors takes some of the focus off the flaw. The toffee, chocolate, and brandied cherries come through again, here, and they are complemented by raisins and dates in a deep dark fruity medley. Red vinous notes reminiscent of Cabernet grapes also come through. Again, there seems to be very little lactic character to the sourness, as the pedio again is the main contributor. All of the flavors kind of muddle together. Unimpressed...just too many flaws here.

Despite the uninspiring carbonation in the appearance, there is a slight tingle. Looking at it now that I have tasted it, the thicker texture and sweeter notes of this beer really do lend themselves to a lower carbonation level. Overall, I don't think this is very good at all. The flavors really don't blend very nicely. While the sherry and red wine notes work well with the bourbon barrels, a barrel-aged turd is still a turd.

Serving type: bottle

06-19-2011 03:53:39 | More by NittanyBeerFan
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mikey711

New Jersey

2.25/5  rDev -40.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

This beer was a major disappointment for me. Lookswise it was deep brown, near black and very murky. It also had no carbonation. THe nose was interesting because both the wine barrel and bourbon barrel aging could be detected. there was a ton of oak and some fruitiness as well. However, something felt off to me in the execution and all of the flavors were a bit too overwhelming when i tasted it. There was a very strong astringent and vinegar component, an overpowering level of oak and vanilla, and just a messy and confused flavor profile. This is easily one of the biggest disappointments i have had for a beer, the flavors were trying to compete with each other and in the end made this nearly undrinkable. The person I shared the bottle with agreed and we could not get through the whole bottle.

Serving type: bottle

07-12-2011 12:37:29 | More by mikey711
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DarthKostrizer

California

2.35/5  rDev -37.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Thanks to Ehammond1 for sharing this one and I finally got around to review it from my notes

Look: Pours an almost black color with no head at all and not much else going on

Smell: Some dark fruits plums soaked in alcohol comes to mind mixed in with a slight acidity and vinegar character

Taste: Very similar to the nose this one is very acidic and vinegary and very off putting. This was my least favorite beer of the night

Mouthfeel: Full body and zero carbonation almost like drinking flat pepsi

Overall: This was my least favorite beer of the night. The people I drank it with seemed to think there was something wrong but the only thing I could find wrong with it was bad taste.

Serving type: bottle

11-12-2011 08:27:45 | More by DarthKostrizer
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Beerandraiderfan

Nevada

2.5/5  rDev -33.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

A light purplish liquid, no head on it whatsoever. Aroma of wood, plum-raisin-fig type of dark fruit thing going on.

Tasted very flat, lacked sourness, some tartness, but really tasted like 10 commandments or something completely unsoured. Tastes like they took red wine and brandy and created a blend, very unbeerlike of you dude. Boozyness seemed to much to bear as well. No lactic sour notes. Toffee, cabernet and fig.

Really didn't find anything to say I enjoyed about this. No wait, the bottle, its a cool design! This was my least favorite bottle brought to Reno's Summer Sour Bottle Share 2011. Totally awesome that jordan brought it, but dang, just didn't work for me.

Serving type: bottle

08-24-2012 16:17:12 | More by Beerandraiderfan
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cosmicevan

New York

2.53/5  rDev -32.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Consumed on 7/28 as a break from the BA DarkLords during the NYC Voltron tasting!!! thanks to blatantdream for providing this gem?
no bottle number written on the label.

a - dark purple with no head. no carbonation.

s - some funk. purpleness...grape...funk...sour...medicine...vinegar.

t - vingar. pungent. kind of intense but not necessarily in a good way.

m - vinegary.

o - not for me...glad i tried it, but super pungent. tart to the max. i suppose i can get how some people dig it, but this one really didn't do it for me. the bud that was opened after this was kind of a breath of fresh air.

Serving type: bottle

08-05-2012 03:47:28 | More by cosmicevan
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brystmar

Texas

2.58/5  rDev -31.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to blatantdream for sharing!

Pours black (wtf?!), zero head, zero lace. Strongly medicinal aroma and lactic, very uninviting. Taste equally disappoints: boozy and medicinal, dark fruits, booze, more medicine? Not very good, and a far cry from my only other Veritas experience (V010 = <3). Glad to tick this, but I can barely finish my small pour.

Serving type: bottle

07-28-2012 23:49:54 | More by brystmar
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TurdFurgison

Ohio

2.8/5  rDev -25.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Huge thanks to jale for bringing this to the Jackie O's bottle release last weekend (thanks Jim!). From a quick poll of those around us it's evident that this is a polarizing beverage. Some loved it, some hated it (I'm in this camp), no one felt half ass about it though.

This poured darker than the other Veritas series that I've had, brownish and flat. The aroma is pretty involved, I guess complex, but to no good effect as far as I'm concerned. Cocoa + woodiness + cherry + a little vanilla. Only hints of acidity. Actually not appetizing, more of a mess to me, the sum being less than the addition of the components.

Not very sour tasting, I guess I was hoping for a sour masterpiece like 004 but this was not to be. Complex for sure, but in an unappreciated way. I'll give it this: It's way better than 008. But I wouldn't want to have it again.

Serving type: bottle

09-03-2011 02:19:51 | More by TurdFurgison
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Phyl21ca

Quebec (Canada)

2.86/5  rDev -24.1%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

Bottle: Poured a deep black color ale with a small almost non-existent head with zero retention. The beer is indeed flat which I find hard to know if it is by design or just another bottling issue with the brewery. Aroma of bourbon with some vanilla notes is offset by tart and kriek notes which make for a weird mix at the end of the day. Taste is a very weird mix between bourbon/vanilla notes with light roasted malt offset by tart, oak and sour cherries notes. Body is about average with zero carbonation and no apparent alcohol. I can’t say I really enjoyed this one.

Serving type: bottle

02-25-2013 19:05:11 | More by Phyl21ca
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mrbubbler

California

3.05/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

A: dark with a red hue. little carbonation, no head.

S: tart cherries, bourbon, strong red wine characteristics, chocolate

T: COMPLEX. very strong sour cherry flavor that melts into a very nice red wine taste with hints of chocolate/bourbon/old ale.

M: Thick, if the carbonation was upped just a tad it would be perfect.

O: Excellent beer, i was really expecting this beer to be disappointing. I was very wrong. The sour cherry aspect is just something i have never experienced in any other beer. Highly recommended.

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This beer has really fallen off. Very strong vinegar flavor and no carbonation. Was very difficult to finish a 4 oz pour. I have had some bottles that still tasted rather good but for the most part they are going down hill quickly.

Serving type: on-tap

01-23-2013 19:41:34 | More by mrbubbler
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Soonami

Pennsylvania

3.18/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Thanks again for Ryan (ShadesofGray) for sharing his bottle of V009.

This a very wine-like beer in appearance, nose and taste. It's a very dark grape-y color with almost no carbonation. The beer smells like vanilla and oak with just a little oxidation. There is lots of vinous character in the beer, jammy blackberry and a lot of oak tannins. There is a little bit of acidity, but not much funk. A little caramel sweetness helps ground the beer, although the beer is fairly dry. Can't say I would ever try to get this again, but it was an interesting beer, that really melded the beer and wine characteristics well.

Serving type: bottle

08-27-2011 22:19:31 | More by Soonami
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JohnGalt1

Idaho

3.3/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Absolutely no POP at all on the cork.. really? I am done giving Lost Abbey a pass on carbonation issues... fucking ridiculous.. yeasty hazed porter looking brew..

Nose is good cherry and grape fruitiness.... a bit acetic... with some dark chocolate

Flavor shows a good sweet/sour mix of dark chocolate and sweet vinegar soaked cherries... burning acetic mess down the gullet...

Pretty thick given the NO CARBONATION..

Not terrible, but pretty okay when cold... with warmth, this is a vinegar bomb.

2.5/3.5/3.5/3/3

Serving type: bottle

01-15-2012 06:55:07 | More by JohnGalt1
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callmemickey

Pennsylvania

3.33/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Deep brown-black body. No carbonation, lack of anything resembling a head. Rather uninviting.

S: A lot is going on here in the nose, but I am not sure how successful the complexity really is. Chocolate, vanilla, subtle cherries, vinous notes and oak. Just a bit all over the place.

T: Like the nose, there is a hell of a lot here... not particularly bad, I just didn't think it was working. Not particularly sour... slight notes of oxidization-like sherry.

M: Flat. A bit oily on the palate. Weak finish. Not a particularly enjoyable overall impression.

O: Chalk me up as one of those people that just doesn't get this beer. I've enjoyed a fair number of flat lost abbey beers, but this one couldn't make up for it.

Serving type: bottle

07-31-2011 23:26:01 | More by callmemickey
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thagr81us

South Carolina

3.35/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks goes out to funkydelic for sharing this one with me! Served from bottle into a Mikkeller taster flute. Poured a massively dark brown with a minimal khaki colored head. Maintained minimal lacing throughout the glass. The aroma was comprised of sweet malt, sour, fruit, and subtle wood. The flavor was of sweet malt, sour, tart cherry, wood, and subtle port. It had a medium feel on the palate with high carbonation. Overall this brew was decent. When I saw this one was being released I was quite excited to get to try it. I got to sample it while at a Foothills release thanks to thunderroad12, but not enough to review it. I wasn't overly impressed with it then. And the same was true this time around. It was decent, but it seemed like a lot of the flavors clashed together on this one, but were not invasive or untasty on the palate. It just made it a little harder to drink. Worth trying to say that you have, but there are better Veritas brews out there.

Serving type: bottle

12-19-2011 02:26:15 | More by thagr81us
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spdyfire83

Ireland

3.43/5  rDev -9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

136th Review
Bottle to snifter

From notes. I opened this bottle at bspringer's birthday celebration. An epic night for sure to celebrate his golden day of birth!

A: Mahogany. No head on vigorous pour.

S: Red grapes, marmalade, roasted malt, caramel, fig, oak, and a touch of cherry. Hint of leather too.

T: Rich and complex. Currants, plums, raisins, dark cherry - reminds me of port. Not too much else going on here. Hint of oak, but that's about it.

M: Full bodied with no carbonation.

O: I was really excited to try this beer, but it didn't live up to the hype for me. Quite complex, but just not doing it for me. Maybe it'll get better with age. We can only hope.

Serving type: bottle

01-28-2012 13:53:18 | More by spdyfire83
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Florida9

Illinois

3.5/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours black. A somewhat clear black, but black none the less. Flat. No head whatsoever. Aroma is quite odd: smoky, black cherry, sweet with a light vinegar note. Dark fruits and sour fruit. Taste is similarly odd. A mix of being overly sweet and vinegar tartness. Black cherry, malt vinegar, coffee. A mixture of tastiness and grossness.
Not so great.

Serving type: bottle

12-07-2013 23:16:28 | More by Florida9
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glazeman

Pennsylvania

3.53/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark brown, absolutely no head after a vigorous pour.

S: On the nose, there's chocolate, dark fruit, and a smidgeon of bourbon. Definitely not as complex or robust as the taste though.

T: Lots of different things going on here. There's tobacco, prunes, and apple up front, then a nice, although somewhat subtle burbon in back. Heavy on the tannins, and tastes somewhat of a red wine with a tad of bourbon. There's some sour in there, but not much

M: No carbonation. Appropriately medium-bodied. Nice aftertaste of dark fruits and caramel.

O: The taste was interesting, but the flavors didn't really meld together that well. The lack of carbonation was disappointing.

Serving type: bottle

02-13-2012 13:49:02 | More by glazeman
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Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 219 ratings.