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Veritas 009 - The Lost Abbey

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BA SCORE
85
very good

233 Ratings
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Ratings: 233
Reviews: 90
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 25.2%
Wants: 162
Gots: 82 | FT: 1
Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: HopHead84 on 05-28-2011)
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Photo of Arbitrator
1/5  rDev -73.5%
look: 1 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Veritas is Lost Abbey's line of experimental beers, where Tomme "Tomme" Arthur seeks to push the boundaries of traditional brewing techniques and develop something new. His notable accomplishments included 003 (it showed me that a strong ale with bacteria could do pretty well), 004 (peach!), 006 (raspberry puree in stomach acid!), 008 (tea!). His latest innovation is 009, wherein Tomme has brewed a beer with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Thanks to Sideswipe for the bottle. Opened and shared at my birthday tasting.

A: Pours an opaque, maroon body.

S: Funky vinegar, prunes, cinnamon. I was very disconcerted. Had someone pranked me with a fake bottle?

T: I simply could not figure out what this beer was trying to do. It had the pruney, soy saucey qualities that I detest in Dark Lord, soured with a mild vinegar burn, earth, and some band-aid. Tannins, vanilla, bourbon. WHAT IS GOING ON

O: I believe the beer was $35, so it's not affordable. It was a brewery-only release, so it wasn't accessible. It was so bad that a group of 25 beer geeks left over 50% of it on the table, so it wasn't good. Congratulations, Tomme: you've successfully trolled the beer community. There is literally no reason to drink this; it defines the bottom of the pile, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to Jail.

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1/5  rDev -73.5%

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1.25/5  rDev -66.8%

Photo of Cedromar
1.25/5  rDev -66.8%
look: 2 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

A- Pours pitch black and flat. Not much going on here.
S- A lot of sour cherry, a bit of vanilla and coconut.
T- Complete and utter shit. Sour cherry dominates the palate and it is just beyond awful. You get some of the barrels as well, but christ this is an awfully disappointing beer.
M- Meh, the mouthfeel is probably the best part of this beer.

Overall: This was a drain pour for me. I took about three sips before deciding to dump it. This beer is beyond terrible and never should have been released. If this was a homebrewer's beer I could be a bit more forgiving, but I expect better from The Lost Abbey and Tomme. They're better than this.

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1.25/5  rDev -66.8%

Photo of SpeedwayJim
1.45/5  rDev -61.5%
look: 1.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

From the Light Whale BIF. Poured from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into a Cantillon tulip. Shared with schen9303.

Cork ejects with a slight pop but this one pours still. No mistake about it. Pitch black and opaque too. With semi-decent legs but no lace. A good looking beer this isn't. Legs save it from being a complete fail.

Nose is ash, sour soy sauce, spoiled plum, overripe plum, mellow booze, and rancid wood. Moderately aromatic but with a stench like this, I'd rather it be barely detectable. Not good.

Opens chocolate and sour prunes. Plum character and sour say sauce towards the middle with rancid chocolate and tart, rotting wood. End is puckering and muddled soy sauce. Finishes tart prunes and plum with a lingering, sour rot aftertaste. Really odd in a terrible way. Flavors are muddled, fruit character tastes spoiled, and there's a complete lack of any carbonation.

Medium bodied with no carbonation. Oily and filmy in the mouth and oily and warm going down. Finish is messy and slick with a long, lingering aftertaste. This beer is devoid of any life. Too thick, too heavy which is key for this style.

This beer is a complete fail and I'm curious as to what world of beer does this get a passing grade? The appearance is terrible, aroma is equally bad, the flavors are muddled, and its complete devoid of any carbonation. Veritas 008 was a bit of a failed experiment but its complete gold compared to this monstrosity. Do yourself a favor and skip this one. A complete drainpour as I could only choke down about 3 ounces of this one for the review.

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1.5/5  rDev -60.2%

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1.5/5  rDev -60.2%

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1.5/5  rDev -60.2%

Photo of aasher
1.68/5  rDev -55.4%
look: 2 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.5

This one pours a dirty mop water brown with a slight beige lacing. It smells of sweet and sour port. Damn its sweet with sour notes. The flavor too is ever so slight wine barrel aging with a weird and awkward type sour. No complexity at all. It's really off putting. This barrel aging was awful. It really isn't even drinkable, and I love sours. This beer is weak and severely overrated. This was the second time I was fortunate enough to try this limited, $30 bottle. It was awful both times. Homer much?

Photo of trxxpaxxs
1.73/5  rDev -54.1%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Reviewed from notes from FFF XV Anniversary Party:

A: Poured out a a murky deep brown with redish hues. There no head at all. It looks flat.

S: This beer smells of soured muddled fruit, and soy. Oxidation is totally evident in this brew. It's really earthy. I don't think this beer has much time left in the bottle before it turns into a soy bomb.

T: The taste is soy mixed with with some black licorice and sour stone fruits (cherries, plums, and maybe apricots). I'm not feeling it.

M: Medium bodied? The flavors coat the palate and hold on for dear life. That's not a good thing when the beer is below average.

O: I was really excited to open this bottle (based on rarity and/or hype), but it fell completely short. This beer was kinda gross.

Photo of Verecund
1.73/5  rDev -54.1%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.75

Opened on June 10th, 2011, the eve of an important day. Thanks to a local for this trade.

Pours between wine (the color) and garnet – a dark, almost grayed brown with hints of dark red about the edges – with no carbonation whatsoever. I know there’s a thin line between low carbonation and being flat, but this is flat.

The aroma is massive and almost disorderly, though appetizing. Lots of dark cherry, tobacco, a vinous tartness, and light bourbon. The one flaw for me is an almost rotten fruit smell that comes through as it approaches room temperature.

Vinous oak, sour cherries, a wonderful mess of sweet barrel notes (e.g., caramel, vanilla) and chocolate, (tart) blackberries, light bourbon, butter, and a good bit - in fact, likely too much - of vinegar. It’s a bit of a hot mess, but age has [assumedly] mellowed this one nicely and the flavors really do complement one another. Just a huge, rich old ale/sour hybrid.

Unfortunately, this could use just a touch of carbonation. The flatness actually works okay given the enormity of the flavor profile, but a touch of bubbles (which others have noted, so maybe I’ll get lucky with another bottle) would work wonders here. Tart, oily, tannic, and appropriately dry on the finish.

This is an interesting beer, unlike any I’ve had, though it has a few flaws to my palate (rotten fruit on the nose, a decent bit of vinegar, and lack of carbonation). I anticipate trying this again in the future. With a little carbonation, this could warrant a higher rating.

EDIT: Upon second and third samplings, my lukewarm enjoyment of this beer has turned into complete disgust. The third bottle was a balsamic vinegar, soy, and rotten prune bomb. Lowered from 3.38 to 1.73.

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1.75/5  rDev -53.6%

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1.75/5  rDev -53.6%

Photo of waltonc
1.93/5  rDev -48.8%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Pours brown pondwater flat. No apparent carbonation to speak of. Smell and flavor are not very notable. A mess of vinous dark fruit and barrels. Fairly sweet, slightly sour. Not very complex. Body is on the thicker side and no carbonation. Overall, this was a disappointing beer. After reading the brewery's hype, I was expecting something a little more interesting.

It's hard to understand where all those initial extremely high scores are coming from. I enjoyed Veritas 008 more than this.

Photo of myspoonistoobig
1.98/5  rDev -47.5%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 1.5

Thanks to Jason for sharing this one, too, on an epic afternoon of drinking.

Cork and cage bottle, poured into a Hill Farmstead tasting glass.

Appearance: flat, black and slightly syrupy. Looks like old fryer oil. Cork came out with no resistance, but that came as little surprise.

Smell: smells like the overripe tart cherries that would fall off the tree in my backyard growing up. Not entirely unpleasant, but not great either.

Taste: weirdly tart, semi-sweet... is that licorice? soy sauce? just an all around mess of flavors.

Mouthfeel: couldn't wait for it to not be in my mouth anymore. The tartness, oily texture and flatness made it pretty unpleasant to drink.

Overall: seems like a pretty miserable, failed experiment. A for effort, but I will not be seeking this out again.

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2/5  rDev -46.9%

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2/5  rDev -46.9%

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2/5  rDev -46.9%

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2/5  rDev -46.9%

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2/5  rDev -46.9%

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2/5  rDev -46.9%

Photo of hooliganlife
2.1/5  rDev -44.3%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

no pop on the cork, pours a still black. fairly lifeless. no carbonation.

light vanilla and bourbon with a slight tart cherry very reminiscent of red poppy.

light tart cherry with a subtle mix of grape and cheap red wine. the bourbon and vanilla blended well however they never helped this out. i found this very 2 sided and completely lacking any complexity. it was 2 parts, cherry and bourbon. nothing special here.

dead flat with a hint of dryness.

this was boring, everyone i spoke with after i opened this agreed that it was more or less terrible.

Photo of NittanyBeerFan
2.17/5  rDev -42.4%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Thanks to shadesofgray for sharing this highly touted rarity! Poured into a tasting glass...

Completely flat. Granted, the color is nice, coming in at a deeply opaque brown, bordering on black. There are some lighter brown notes around the edges. A swirl kicks up some oily looking liquid onto the sides of the glass, but not much lacing to show for it, nor does it elicit any foam to come forth from the beer.

The aroma is complex, with toffee, chocolate, some oaky vanilla, brandied cherries, and some sweet sherry notes. The funk is subdued, and a sourness is present, but I find it significantly less lactic and more pedio-based. There is a touch of buttery aroma in there, too, leading me to believe that there is a touch of diacetyl. The flavor is similar, with the diacetyl a bit more evident. Luckily, the complexity of the flavors takes some of the focus off the flaw. The toffee, chocolate, and brandied cherries come through again, here, and they are complemented by raisins and dates in a deep dark fruity medley. Red vinous notes reminiscent of Cabernet grapes also come through. Again, there seems to be very little lactic character to the sourness, as the pedio again is the main contributor. All of the flavors kind of muddle together. Unimpressed...just too many flaws here.

Despite the uninspiring carbonation in the appearance, there is a slight tingle. Looking at it now that I have tasted it, the thicker texture and sweeter notes of this beer really do lend themselves to a lower carbonation level. Overall, I don't think this is very good at all. The flavors really don't blend very nicely. While the sherry and red wine notes work well with the bourbon barrels, a barrel-aged turd is still a turd.

Photo of mikey711
2.25/5  rDev -40.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

This beer was a major disappointment for me. Lookswise it was deep brown, near black and very murky. It also had no carbonation. THe nose was interesting because both the wine barrel and bourbon barrel aging could be detected. there was a ton of oak and some fruitiness as well. However, something felt off to me in the execution and all of the flavors were a bit too overwhelming when i tasted it. There was a very strong astringent and vinegar component, an overpowering level of oak and vanilla, and just a messy and confused flavor profile. This is easily one of the biggest disappointments i have had for a beer, the flavors were trying to compete with each other and in the end made this nearly undrinkable. The person I shared the bottle with agreed and we could not get through the whole bottle.

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Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 233 ratings.