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Veritas 009 - The Lost Abbey

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219 Ratings
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Ratings: 219
Reviews: 89
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 25.99%

Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey visit their website
California, United States

Style | ABV
American Wild Ale |  8.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: HopHead84 on 05-28-2011)
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Photo of mrbubbler


3.05/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

A: dark with a red hue. little carbonation, no head.

S: tart cherries, bourbon, strong red wine characteristics, chocolate

T: COMPLEX. very strong sour cherry flavor that melts into a very nice red wine taste with hints of chocolate/bourbon/old ale.

M: Thick, if the carbonation was upped just a tad it would be perfect.

O: Excellent beer, i was really expecting this beer to be disappointing. I was very wrong. The sour cherry aspect is just something i have never experienced in any other beer. Highly recommended.

This beer has really fallen off. Very strong vinegar flavor and no carbonation. Was very difficult to finish a 4 oz pour. I have had some bottles that still tasted rather good but for the most part they are going down hill quickly.

Serving type: on-tap

01-23-2013 19:41:34 | More by mrbubbler
Photo of jimjim123


4.95/5  rDev +31.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big dark marroon pour with a thin, slightly amber ring of lacy head. Aroma of dark chocolate, sour, sour cherries, French oak, toffee, brown sugar, very subduded roasty, spicy notes and amazing lactic notes. Flavors of pure bourbon, red wine, slight rust, dark chcocolate flavored cherries, and heavy sour plum hints. Full, silky, almost sticky and chewy mouthfeel. Starts out very soft and smooth, transitions to a sweet, Belgian dark ale, and fades out with a torrential wash of sour in the finish. This is truly a special, dark, lecherous lethal and seductive beer. If you get chance to try this beer. I highly recommend it.

Serving type: on-tap

07-29-2011 02:35:47 | More by jimjim123
Photo of lestat314


4.97/5  rDev +31.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

4oz taster at veritas release party.

A- really dark brown mostly opaque still slightly translucent, some deep reds and auburn colors permeate the beer when held to light. very light carbonation and little to no head.

S- Sour cherries, oak, chocolate, bourbon and a whole lot more.. can't figure it all out it's so complex.

T- Just as complex as the smell, tons going on once it hits your lips. get the sour cherries and dark chocolate notes right up front one after another, really complicated finish, gonna need to revisit to try to figure this all out.

M- coats the mouth nicely for lingering aftertaste very little alcohol warmth.

O- wow...

Serving type: on-tap

06-04-2011 17:16:48 | More by lestat314
Photo of unitmonster


4.58/5  rDev +21.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Served on tap at the Veritas 009 release party. 4 oz pour into a Port Brewing / Lost Abbey taster.

A: Dark and stout looking, but with tones of red and purple. Little to no head, light carbonation. Leaves some decent legs on the glass.

S: Wow, quite a bit going on here. Sour cherries, oak, bourbon, vinous. This is a very complicated brew.

T: Immediate sour hits the pallete upon first sip. It mellows off into a bourbon-like after-taste. Sour cherries pucker the mouth. This drink really goes down warm. Flavors changed through each sip.

M: Very light with little to no viscosity. It seems a little flat on the back-end and could use some carbonation.

Edited on 8/1/11. Opened first bottle and was not impressed. Tap was much better, but most likely force carbonated.

O: A very impressive beer that has some insane complexities. I was fortunate enough to try a glass the night before the release, and then a taster on the day of the release. I'm going to age my bottles and see if this gets better.

Serving type: on-tap

06-02-2011 03:03:44 | More by unitmonster
Photo of brandon0350


4.47/5  rDev +18.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Taster at the veritas 009 release

Pours a dark brown with red under tones, little to no carbonation? I expected this from the bottle not draft, but that tells me maybe its supposed to be a low carbonation beer?

Smell is fantastic, I'm definatly picking up cherries and wine, little bit of chocolate. The bourbon comes out a little after my second smell

Tastes just like it smells, sour cherries, definatly tastes chocolate, can taste the bourbon but its not overpowerring at all, the abv is well masked although I think its higher than the labeled 8% awesome beer

Mouthfeel is good, its thicker but very smooth, no burn, I wish there was slightly more carbonation but it is ok

Overall, this is a outstanding beer I wish there was more than a 4 bottle limit, good job lost abbey this is my new favorite beer cheers

Serving type: on-tap

06-01-2011 14:32:55 | More by brandon0350
Photo of Schmaltzy


4.8/5  rDev +27.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

On tap at the release party.

A- Wow, I was a little scared seeing this brown beast in my glass, I didn't think it was going to be sour from the look of the beer. Nice brown color with slight red/brown hues and light 1/2 finger head that dissapates quickly.

S- Nice roasted malt and chocolate with tons of sour cherry aroma followed with a hint of bourbon, really light on the bourbon, you will only notice it as it warms up, also detecting some nice wooden tannins in this.

T- Nice chocolate notes with light bourbon immediately followed by an overwhelmingly sour cherry flavor, really interesting beer. Nice dark chocolate and roastiness in the front with tart cherries on the mid, side, and back pallate, extremely dry finish with nice oaky wooden tannins, this will age nicely, it already has a year of conditioning within the bottle. Really a great tasting beer that leaves you wondering the many different flavors, each sip imparts different chocolates, roastiness, oakiness, and wine/cherry flavors.

M- Perfect carbonation that I'm hoping will transition to the bottles, nice flavors and medium body, nice level of tannins for aging.

D- Really easy to drink this beer and as I stated above this beer is fun to drink with the everchanging flavors and layers that leave you wanting more. Highly recommend, gonna try to keep several for the years ahead...

Serving type: on-tap

05-30-2011 21:08:30 | More by Schmaltzy
Photo of cocoapuph


4.33/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

As my first BA review, I am glad it's of Veritas 009.

I was skeptical at first because of the dark chocolate/red color that was poured into my 4oz taster. But man, did it taste completely different than expected.

First off, the smell kept me guessing which flavors were going to be more pronounced in the taste. I picked up a tangy, oaky, nutty smell. And then some sour fruit and grape odors.

Very tasty. First you get a little of a smooth chocolate flavor mixed with those tart cherry notes. This beer had a pleasant sour/tartness level. And the bourbon and wine flavors harmonized perfectly with the medium to full body feel of the beer.

And as said by other reviewers, I could still taste the flavors on my tongue 5-10 minutes after finishing the pour.

Glad I was fortunate to pick up a few bottles to age and drink again later!

Serving type: on-tap

05-30-2011 01:42:40 | More by cocoapuph
Photo of ZX6Chris


4.83/5  rDev +28.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Sampled this at the release.

I read the reviews so I expected the dark color but the flavors were not something I was expecting.

The main flavor was tart cherries, extremely tart cherries. Chocolate, roastiness and some bourbon from the barrel aging. Seemed very dry, those tart cherries just gripped on to your tongue and wouldn't let it go, I've never had a beer with such a long finish.

Very strong flavors now that work well together but I see this aging very well, it had a medium to full body and a very smooth texture.

Thanks Tomme!

Serving type: on-tap

05-29-2011 19:30:47 | More by ZX6Chris
Photo of PlinyTheKid


4.93/5  rDev +30.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Had a 4oz draft pour at Lost Abbey.

Rather surprised when I saw the bartender pour the beer in the glass. Had a dark chocolate-like, brownish color with a red wine tint. Before smelling it, I anticipated the beer to resemble Cascade's Bourbonic Plague. The smell had sharp notes of sour, red fruits. There was a burst of cherries in the smell with a vineous sting. The taste was no different. The first sip was just the perfect primer to the palate. Strong sour flavors of cherry, and a hint of tamarinds. I didn't get much of the bourbon in the flavor, but the color seemed to be manipulated by it. Wasn't really boozy either. It was just the right amount of alcohol in it to compliment the beer in all sorts of ways. It's very smooth and mouth-watering. Can't wait to try this again in one year.

Overall: Incredible

Serving type: on-tap

05-29-2011 08:43:02 | More by PlinyTheKid
Photo of pastradul


4.65/5  rDev +23.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

aboiut 10oz draft pour into a lost abbey chunky tumbler.

pours a dark maroon, maybe dark purple. Fair amount of head about a fingers worth but fades away quickly.

the aroma is very intriguing. You get the sour cherry and some strong vinegar also along with some dark earthy notes a very dry nose similar to a big red wine.

the taste is fantastic. upfront you get a mix of the barrel some bourbon notes play with the wine barrel flavors. followed by some dark grape and cherry notes along with tart vinegar in the middle of the palate. then it finishes with a very dry mouth sucking bite.

Drinkablility is amazing. went through the glass no problem. look forward to trying this gem from a bottle.

Serving type: on-tap

05-29-2011 08:10:26 | More by pastradul
Photo of PeprSprYoFace


4.97/5  rDev +31.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

On tap at the release. Reviewed from notes. Had 2, 3oz or so tasters. Poured into a 4oz port brewing taster glass.

Pours a black to dark brown. Decent tan head dissipated to a film and left some ok lacing.

Aroma is amazing. So many things going on. Sourness up front with bourbon and then a bit of the cherries and wine from the wine barrels. I didn't think those two things went together but they marry well.

Taste is awesome. Same as above with that sort of older viz or angels share bourbon flavor mixed with the sour cherries and lactic acid and then the smooth chocolate. Nice wine characteristics as well but I wish they came through a bit more than they did.

Mouthfeel was spot on. Smooth and coats your mouth. Carbonation was spot on but this is on tap.

Overall an amazing beer that I'm glad I have 4 bottles of. Probably wont trade any off because it's so awesome.

Serving type: on-tap

05-29-2011 06:07:44 | More by PeprSprYoFace
Photo of johndoe8


4.63/5  rDev +22.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

The beer definitely exceeded expectations, and was an overall winner. Most people definitely seemed to be enjoying this beer when the tapped that 15 gallon keg of this.

Appearance was a dark, and not overly viscous. Poured with a small 1cm head, without much lacing.
Aroma was pretty good. Slight cherry on the nose, with a tinge of bourbon in there.

Taste was just wonderful though... Wonderful sour notes added on top of the light cherry flavor. It seemed wonderfully better version of Cuvee de Tomme in a way.. cherry a little more subdued, it had the perfect amount of viscosity for this type, with a great great sourness.

Could this beer get better with age? Maybe... but I think it's drinking wonderfully right now. It's already been conditioning for a year? I can see why Tomme decided to release this one.. it's pretty epic.

Compared to the other Veritas, I don't quite hold it in quite as high esteem as the yummy 004, but honestly, thinking about it more, it's definitely on par with 006 and 007. Completely different beers, so this is quite the subjective opinion, but I could entirely see this beer being more memorable than those, esp given how unique this special beer is. Never had anything like this.. like the perfect amalgamation of a bourbon flavored sour!

Hopefully this beer holds up, as I don't want to drink my bottles immediately!

Serving type: on-tap

05-29-2011 04:01:25 | More by johndoe8
Photo of vacax


4.75/5  rDev +26%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

As much talk happens about the Lost Abbey, this offering reminds us that boundaries are still being pushed in San Marcos and the results can be spectacular. I had a couple tasters of this beer, which poured menacingly black with only a few sparse bubbles to signify the presence of head. Aromas aren't best described at a packed brewery release, but what I did sense reminded of sour cherries and dark fruits, sour and vinous.

The story behind this beer is quite remarkable, and not until this beverage hit my tongue did I realize that the resulting beer actually is equally, or probably even more remarkable. I heard this was sour, so I expected a prototypical "Lost Abbey sour" with good flavor and excess acidity. What hit my tongue is not like any other Lost Abbey beer, incomparable to just about anything I have tried in the last few thousand beers I've tried.

The one word I think describes the flavor is robust--dark fruits immediately engulf the tongue, rich, satisfying sour cherries, unprecedentedly rich vinous character. Sour and oaky with a malt background, but all of these things so well integrated using any of them alone seems foolish. Sour, but not acidic, and malty, but not roasty--the end result is something port-like in quality. Something rich, palate pleasing, and robust.

Finally I understand the constant references to "wine drinkers" enjoying this. I thought that was mostly non-sense, but I have to admit this is spot on. Low carbonation, creamy and moderately thick body coats the palate and a tangy tartness lingers on the palate, not unlike a good dark wine, but better than that obviously.

I found this beer to be a revelation that pushes boundaries. Excellent as of the release date and every bit deserving of the name of the already legendary series it belongs to: Veritas.

Serving type: on-tap

05-29-2011 01:09:03 | More by vacax
Photo of paytoplay


4.08/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Odd. A blend of intense cuvee Tomme and a lighter angels share. Cherries seemed light and some red wine red fruits with a backbone of bourbon and intense sour. Where does this beer go from here? Can it improve? How different is it out of bottle. More questions than answers. It does bring you back for more. The mind bender factor is high. I like being challenged, this does that.

Serving type: on-tap

05-28-2011 22:54:56 | More by paytoplay
Photo of dmsohyea


4.6/5  rDev +22%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On-tap at Lost Abbey served in a taster glass ($3).

A: Pours dark brown with minimal khaki brown head. Retention is moderate and lacing is minimal.

S: Tons of brown sugar and toasted malt, some bourbon and oak, with just a touch of sour cherry.

T: Extremely complex and well layered. Individual flavors really stand out at different points in the tasting. Up front is strong red wine flavor, oak and some cherry. It's clearly sour, but not overbearingly sour. Towards the middle more malty sweetness comes balanced out with less wine and more sour flavors. The finish has a touch of chocolate and a wisp of bourbon. I didn't get the bourbon until the very very end, almost like breathing out the whiskey.

M: Carbonation is low with a slick, oily mouthfeel. Very smooth and easy to drink.

O: Complex. Sweet, sour, red wine, bourbon, and oak all mixed together in a way that all flavors really stand out. Definitely a winner for me. Possibly the best sour I've had to this point.

Serving type: on-tap

05-28-2011 22:24:06 | More by dmsohyea
Photo of kbutler1


4.43/5  rDev +17.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Draft. Enjoyed 2 sample glass pours at the Lost Abbey release. Poured a dark brown black color with a slight tan head. Dark chocolate, roast, dark fruit, cherry all come out in the nose. Surprisingly I get very little bourbon notes given the time it spent in barrels. Light/medium mouthfeel. Much more sour than expected, not overly so but for sure the sour cherries made their mark. After the sour cherry flavors comes slight roast, cocoa, and dark fruit. Some booze but not overpowering. Ends dry. More fruit forward than expected. The samples didn’t pour with a ton of carbonation and I hope the bottles are different. The wine barrels really imparted a truly nice flavor.
Bottle: Not a ton of carbonation but the flavors are just outstanding.

Serving type: on-tap

05-28-2011 18:40:09 | More by kbutler1
Photo of homebrew311


3.94/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to duffman929 for cracking this. Appearance is like a stout... Pitch black with no head. Nose features dark cherries, chocolate, oak, red wine, a hint of soy sauce, balsamic vinegar, and tannins. Taste is quite a bit different than the nose, a bit of dark fruit, cherries, heavy tartness, sweet notes on the end. Mouthfeel is smooth and heavy body. Overall, a nice sour stout.

Serving type: bottle

12-07-2013 23:17:45 | More by homebrew311
Photo of Florida9


3.5/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours black. A somewhat clear black, but black none the less. Flat. No head whatsoever. Aroma is quite odd: smoky, black cherry, sweet with a light vinegar note. Dark fruits and sour fruit. Taste is similarly odd. A mix of being overly sweet and vinegar tartness. Black cherry, malt vinegar, coffee. A mixture of tastiness and grossness.
Not so great.

Serving type: bottle

12-07-2013 23:16:28 | More by Florida9
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Quebec (Canada)

2.86/5  rDev -24.1%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

Bottle: Poured a deep black color ale with a small almost non-existent head with zero retention. The beer is indeed flat which I find hard to know if it is by design or just another bottling issue with the brewery. Aroma of bourbon with some vanilla notes is offset by tart and kriek notes which make for a weird mix at the end of the day. Taste is a very weird mix between bourbon/vanilla notes with light roasted malt offset by tart, oak and sour cherries notes. Body is about average with zero carbonation and no apparent alcohol. I can’t say I really enjoyed this one.

Serving type: bottle

02-25-2013 19:05:11 | More by Phyl21ca
Photo of Arbitrator


1/5  rDev -73.5%
look: 1 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Veritas is Lost Abbey's line of experimental beers, where Tomme "Tomme" Arthur seeks to push the boundaries of traditional brewing techniques and develop something new. His notable accomplishments included 003 (it showed me that a strong ale with bacteria could do pretty well), 004 (peach!), 006 (raspberry puree in stomach acid!), 008 (tea!). His latest innovation is 009, wherein Tomme has brewed a beer with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Thanks to Sideswipe for the bottle. Opened and shared at my birthday tasting.

A: Pours an opaque, maroon body.

S: Funky vinegar, prunes, cinnamon. I was very disconcerted. Had someone pranked me with a fake bottle?

T: I simply could not figure out what this beer was trying to do. It had the pruney, soy saucey qualities that I detest in Dark Lord, soured with a mild vinegar burn, earth, and some band-aid. Tannins, vanilla, bourbon. WHAT IS GOING ON

O: I believe the beer was $35, so it's not affordable. It was a brewery-only release, so it wasn't accessible. It was so bad that a group of 25 beer geeks left over 50% of it on the table, so it wasn't good. Congratulations, Tomme: you've successfully trolled the beer community. There is literally no reason to drink this; it defines the bottom of the pile, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to Jail.

Serving type: bottle

01-28-2013 07:02:09 | More by Arbitrator
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4.21/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A tiny pop announces a very black liquid, a bit of brown shows up in the light. No head or lacing. One of the darkest beers I've seen actually, intriguing.

The scents are powerful and tremendously good. Dark chocolate, caramel, maple syrup, a light fruit element, a dash of licorice and vanilla. Smells like a heavy stout.

Taste is bewildering considering the smell yet immensely welcomed. I did not know or honestly think a funky attribute to this beer would work. This is such a rare style, one of the most uniquely flavored beers I've ever had. The taste put simply is sour grape and chocolate put together. As the reviews show - not everyone's cup of tea, you really have to be a sour aficionado.

The mouthfeel is heavy and light at the same time - very hard to describe. Lightly carbonated - about the perfect amount for a beer like this I reckon.

Very good, not a session beer for me but a perfect beer for someone with a sour itch in the late hours of the night.

Serving type: bottle

01-28-2013 02:58:20 | More by ptykozoon
Photo of UCLABrewN84


3.53/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Tieman for sharing this one at his tasting.

Pours an opaque dark brown with no head and no lacing on the drink down. Smell is sour and tart with some dark malt, dark fruit, and alcohol aromas. Taste is much the same with a really tart and acidic finish. This beer has a low level of carbonation with an almost flat mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer but it definitely smells better than it tastes.

Serving type: bottle

11-11-2012 09:00:13 | More by UCLABrewN84
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2.5/5  rDev -33.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

A light purplish liquid, no head on it whatsoever. Aroma of wood, plum-raisin-fig type of dark fruit thing going on.

Tasted very flat, lacked sourness, some tartness, but really tasted like 10 commandments or something completely unsoured. Tastes like they took red wine and brandy and created a blend, very unbeerlike of you dude. Boozyness seemed to much to bear as well. No lactic sour notes. Toffee, cabernet and fig.

Really didn't find anything to say I enjoyed about this. No wait, the bottle, its a cool design! This was my least favorite bottle brought to Reno's Summer Sour Bottle Share 2011. Totally awesome that jordan brought it, but dang, just didn't work for me.

Serving type: bottle

08-24-2012 16:17:12 | More by Beerandraiderfan
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New York

2.53/5  rDev -32.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Consumed on 7/28 as a break from the BA DarkLords during the NYC Voltron tasting!!! thanks to blatantdream for providing this gem?
no bottle number written on the label.

a - dark purple with no head. no carbonation.

s - some funk. purpleness...grape...funk...sour...medicine...vinegar.

t - vingar. pungent. kind of intense but not necessarily in a good way.

m - vinegary.

o - not for me...glad i tried it, but super pungent. tart to the max. i suppose i can get how some people dig it, but this one really didn't do it for me. the bud that was opened after this was kind of a breath of fresh air.

Serving type: bottle

08-05-2012 03:47:28 | More by cosmicevan
Photo of brystmar


2.58/5  rDev -31.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to blatantdream for sharing!

Pours black (wtf?!), zero head, zero lace. Strongly medicinal aroma and lactic, very uninviting. Taste equally disappoints: boozy and medicinal, dark fruits, booze, more medicine? Not very good, and a far cry from my only other Veritas experience (V010 = <3). Glad to tick this, but I can barely finish my small pour.

Serving type: bottle

07-28-2012 23:49:54 | More by brystmar
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Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
85 out of 100 based on 219 ratings.